Adapting Air-to-Air missiles for surface-launched air defense
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- In the latest episode of The Merge Podcast, Mike sat down with Joe DeAntona, Raytheon vice president, Requirements & Capabilities, Land & Air Defense Systems, to discuss the NASAMS (National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System), a product that re-purposes AIM-120 and AIM-9X missiles for air defense.
They cover various topics, including the system's capabilities, its deployment in different countries, its success in combat situations (including Ukraine), and its potential applications. They also talk about system flexibility, collaboration with partners like Kongsberg, recent developments, and a demo conducted to enhance the system's capabilities, especially in countering cruise missiles.
Show notes:
● Introducing Mike [01:05]
● Joe’s background [03:30]
● Overview of NASAMS and its capabilities [04:29]
● The key part of NASAMS’ product [06:39]
● Different generations of NASAMS, and where it is in the U.S. military [11:13]
● The key elements of NASAMS [19:45]
● Discussion on ground-based air missiles [23:20]
● Raytheon’s history, and the IRAD project [33:13]
● NASAMS’ successful demonstration supported by the U.S. Air Force [38:00]
● Discussion on radars [41:57]
● NASAMS involvement in the IFPC [48:00]
● NASAMS' combat success and its deployment in Ukraine [54:53]
● On developing a counter cruise missile solution [01:05:18]
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I served with Joe DeAntona. 2=7 Patriot 89-93 He was our B Btry Commander.
Great topic, great guest. Once again you are demonstrating how The Merge is above average.
slighly above well below average :)
Pako, a great conversation! While I can understand the concern about why NASAMS isn't in the inventory, I think current world events, both in Ukraine and the Middle East, are waking the procurement types (I hope) to the need for less than bleeding edge cost no object tech solutions for less than peer threat environments. Thanks!!!
I was in the ADA from 72-74 and although I was in a Vulcan battery our sister batteries had Chaparral missiles, which were basically AIM 9s
Seems we might need the Vulcans again with the current drone epidemic.
Love the long form, in-depth discussion!
thank you :)
I recently read up on (mainly NATO but not limited to) GBAD modernization efforts being made and one thing that stood out to me was that Norway is mixing NASAMS 3 with IRIS-T SLS. Both NASAMS and IRIS-T SLS/SLM seem to have been in Ukraine since 2022 and highly successful so, but they're not much talked about almost anywhere.
Good callout.
Paco, please delve deeper into how IRST is being integrated into NASAM/SAM systems. Thanks
Yea good question as we've got those (IRIST) in Ukraine too, just on a side note, I've been spelling Mike's call sign with a "k", I spologise if I got it wrong, but I coulda sworn on Ward Carrolls show notes he spells it with a "k". Is there a previous video with the call sign origin story ? I know some are really mundane, like if your surname is Campbell, you are automatically "Soup"!! lmao 🙃
Excellent explanations of complex topic on intercepting incoming!
Great show! An episode on Joint Strike Missile would be nice.
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Love the Merge! Keep up the great work!
Appreciate it!
I am a big fan of the newsletter, read it and use the links twice a week.
Great content. Particularly enjoyed the 'supply chain' discussion!
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Great interview. Glad you asked about the AMRAAM-ER for fighters.
Hell yea brother!
Great content
Great topic, great guest, another great Merge contribution.
Excited for this one
Love the show brother!
Last videos interview was INCREDIBLE
Lockheed one week, Raytheon the next, you guys are legends
What an interesting conversation. :) The dynamics of these munitions and the way they are deployed is fascinating.
Keep up the good work!
Interesting as always.
awesome show
Glad you enjoyed it
Very good info! Thank you!
Great discussion. Grateful such competency and knowledge, if you will. :D
awesome episode !
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Love The Merge! Awesome content and so chilled out to watch or listen to. Cheers from the land downunder.
Happy belated New Year Pako! Great conversation, very compelling & relevant, as someone who is a permanent resident in Ukraine (Ukrainian wife) who has been driven out of Donbas due to russian (we prefer to not capitalise them!) aggression, Air Defence is a big deal here, literally protecting us from missiles and on the front, protecting our guys from russian AF jets. We've got a bunch of Raytheon products keeping us safe here, in addition to the NASAM's such as the Patriot Air Defence batteries. A big personal thank you to Mr. DeAntona, without Raytheon's leading technology, we'd be a a world of hurt (way worse than we already are)! I've come to despise all those Anti-NATO/US "tankies" (or vatniks) that bad mouth Raytheon and the American MIC (but yet they are pro-russia and never criticise their MIC) that protects their freedoms gives them the free speech to be monumental hypocrites (being nice, could go full ad-hominem). Maybe they wouldn't be talking the BS they do if they'd lost 2 homes to russian savagery!
Stay safe!
@@TheMergeMedia Djakuyu! (Ukrainian for thanks) 👍
Another great conversation and guest. Thanks for today's Podcast.
Thanks for watching!
This is awesome, no channel like this on UA-cam. Thanks paco.
Excellent content. Love the longform.
Informative video.
Thanks, Pako for this !!
Love your Show
Thanks!!
Paco, great content! I always wondered why the National Capitol Region did not have Patriot protection. Basically after the retirement of the Hawk, there was nada, as was pointed out in your vid.
It was a huge blind spot, for sure
@TheMergeMedia completely agree, because even when ADCOM was pulling alert with missile armed a/c, like 106s and later Eagles, they were focused on external threats like Bears coming over the polar route. In the meantime, the Capitol was naked to cruise missile strikes from bastions off the Eastern Seaboard. After they were deactivated, nothing, not even pea shooters like Hawk batteries. Which led to unarmed a/c having to launch on 9/11 and having to plan kamikaze style attacks on the hijackers. Shameful, in my opinion.
WOW, amazing program. Thanks for this.
You bet!
AIM-7 Sparrow to Sea Sparrow to Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile(ESSM). Seems to be par for the course for weapon makers.
I have no idea why the Navy and Army do not cooperate more.
They have a plethora of groundlaunched missiles to chose from.
RAM, ESSM block II.
SMs a plenty, some of them with active seekers
So which missile has greater range AMRAAM ER or AMRAAAM D3? Assuming the D3 is surfaced launched too.
This should allow missiles that have exceeded their carry limit to be used rather than disposed of. This should save huge amounts of money.
The challenge is that annual budgets for AMRAAM provides for roughly 454 missiles in FY 2024 including air to air and ground to air for Uncle Sam and FMS.
Dropping a comment
How is Lazer going to fit in all this?
good stuf
nassams 3 is the most capable? the Amraam er is a modified version similar to sm2?
If you ever want to make a Raytheon engineer upset, make sure to use the term “Raytheon Reset” when talking about turning it off and turning it back on again 😂
Edit: You have a lot of old episodes that you can mine for clips as well. You have to promote the new videos with clips, but you can sprinkle in videos from segments of old episodes as well.
I think you really need to create a 'The Merge Clips" channel or offer small, interesting segments (3-10 minutes) as gets done with other podcasts like Lex and such. People are not going to take the plunge on an hour long video if they aren't familiar and viewers like me often can't dedicate that much time, even though I know I'll enjoy it. Yes, I could just pause and come back, but that takes more clicks and people are notorious for doing whatever they can to avoid more clicks to do something.
I think you're mainly going to only get views from people that get led to the channel from direct channel recommendations from other UA-camrs. If almost everything you produce is an hour, you will only get a very small number of views from people who get recommended the show by the algorithm. If you posted short segments and clips you would at least get a higher percentage of UA-cam recommendations turning into views, even for people that already watch some videos. It's not just the hosts that people can feel unsure about, it's every different guest. If you have clips for each guest you'll allow people to get a feel for whether they want to watch the whole episode. If you feel like you're cutting to much it just remember that if you leave a non offensive (over-the-top) cliffhanger in the clip people will want to know how it ends.
Again, I'm not talking about shorts either, I think 3-10 minute segments or occasionally up to 15 minutes. The other popular shows do a ton of short segments, so it seems like it works and is important. Putting out at least two or three segments for every guest and episode seems like a decent goal. Plus, having more regular posted videos and getting more views helps get the algorithm's attention and you might get more recommendations. I know that's a ton of extra work, but that's my uneducated, inexperienced feeling about growing the channel and podcast, at least on UA-cam.
Could C-RAM be used as counter small UAS?
How is AMRAAM-ER different from ESSM? Functionally more than the parts just not being quite the same I mean.
ANRAAM ER has ESSM body but AMRAAM seeker.
A simple ground based launcher for ESSM would be interesting.
Could also give the USMC a ground based launcher with NSM
I simulated the NASAMS capability in DCS a little while ago against some Red For attacking the a town: ua-cam.com/video/lZluWSnq5F8/v-deo.html the booster is key to get the missile going through the thick lower altitude air it seemed to me
Can you comment on the reason for the delay in providing the NASAMS system to Ukraine that was purchased by Canada in early to mid-2023?
As a retired ADA, the Air Force killed USA air defense command, in the 1970s.
Does Taiwan Deploy This System?
(It appears that they do not which seems surprising?)
They ordered a couple systems few years ago. But not sure if approved or what their timeliness is.
The Merge can recently Decommissioned Navy Cruisers, Destroyers, and Submarines be used in a similar role as the NASAM system concept. Can these cruisers Destroyers and Submarines be placed in permanent dry docks around America and US Territories, and be partially manned and used in a defensive role as part of the US ABM Shield/ Air Defence and a Nuclear deterrent at places like Guam and Pearl Harbor Alaska? Can these ships be used to defend Stateside Military Bases, Large Cities on the East and West Coast, and the Gulf of Mexico to protect our major refineries and strategic oil reserves? And be funded as part of the National Defense and not funded by the US Navy. If these retired ships were used as a fixed position defense it would free up other Navel ships to tackle hostile forces abroad as well as freeing up Patriot and other NASAM Ground systems to be forwardly deployed. America is Losing 1,000 to 1,500 VLS tubes as the entire Military is having a hard time getting caught up with our adversaries and it may take decades to field new systems to replace what we are losing. These vessels being retired are too old to go to sea but are fully paid for and are in turn key condition as far as the weapons systems and could still defend America for many years to come at a very low price tag to operate and maintain. With our top three adversaries China Russia and North Korea being Nuclear powers and becoming more aggressive we need as many stopgaps as possible ASAP.
I remember a few years back they looked at the concept of using the old Ticonderoga's for that in the pacific, but the cost of operating the vessels and the need to upgrade their old radar sets wasnt justified. So they just ended up adding Aegis Ashore in Guam. And I dont think they see the use in adding A-A systems in the US homeland. Non of our enemy's are near by and we have the navy to keep them away. Excluding the ICBM threat handled by other systems in Alaska and California. But we should be looking into adding SHORAD systems to our National Guard units in some states to provide defense in areas from drones and possible missile attacks. As well of course as adding these systems to army unit for the same reasons.
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Viet Nam ? The US owned the air. Afghanistan?