What do you guys think? Would this be useful? Is $4k too much for a tool that helps you be more efficient and safer at the same time? For me, if a tool makes me better and quicker....It's a good investment!
Yes it definitely is better then cutting with a skill saw a guy who built a barn for me made a mitre saw station on an old bale wagon he got from a farmer where he could put a whole stack of 2by4 on it with the telehandler, move the wagon to the part of the building he needed the lumber. Youd have to pull a board off the to the front on to the rollers he put on so the board slide very easily then through the mitre saw to the stop he has set up that was pretty neat also
For me, the ideas in ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxAfqpMLyFn37qcqUl0FAzqkkycQeXqrhP Plans were a starting point for building different sheds . Ryan gives ideas that allow an individual to draw nicest conclusions into the design and building of his or her own shed.
just two inputs - 1) The legs should fold out and lock without needing to bend over to push the lock in, only when folding it up should you have to unlock and saying that, the lock release could be near bottom of the legs inside so your not bending over 2) The aluminium stop only needs one lock to push down, the back side should just hook over the table just an opinion on the product :)
My suggestion for version 2.0: an additional fence or a rail to keep long lumber parallel to the fence of your mitersaw. And to prevent from falling down. the second idea is a kind of soft-cover, if you cut painted or sensitve material to prevent from scratches.
The fact that this feature video is now a year old, and I have yet to see this used again in the background of any videos since is a good indication of the practicality of this system.
They need a lead-in angle for the leg lock button. There should not be a need to press the button to extend the leg. They need to move the leg frame under the table so the stop can be locked all the way to the ends of the tables. There needs to be friction locks on the table connecting tubes instead of fussy spring loaded bullet pins. The stop needs to be one handed instead of two handed. There needs to be a story board stop setup where you can reposition the stop in 3 or 4 of your most common measurements. There needs to be a dolly of some kind. I think most of us agree that cost needs to be pulled out of the unit to get the price back down in line with the competition.
That setup is great on so many levels it's amazing. First thing that comes to mind is a safer way to do your job. And do it better, safer, faster, better cuts, less waste. The list goes on. No question it's a great investment. One thing it's the mark of a pro, not a hack. It's a money maker. For you.
Patrick Houser right... Is this a union gig? Who the hell gets to “leave for lunch”? We give guys 30 mins - enough to eat what they brought and take a short break but not enough to ruin momentum for the day. It takes an hour to get back into a rhythm after an hour long offsite lunch.
Tioga Fretworks personally, most days my guy and I don’t take lunch. We take short water breaks throughout the day. About once a week if it works out I’ll take him to lunch somewhere but otherwise our day is spent working.
It's a really nice system. I'd love to own... That being said I see this as a 1500$ system. I don't think I'd be comfortable paying much more than that
For siders I could see this, but when I'm building a structure I'm usually mobile with saw in hand. A Finnish guy works on flat ground where he can use a pod to hold up long pieces. Even if I had this I'm not sure it would be a good fit for me. I have made a plywoood table and a few extended pieces to hold up my work piece for use with the miter and table saws
It’s a sweet setup. Definitely on the pricey end, but no doubt would pay for itself over time provided it holds up. Good catch trying to butt them against each other. He may have already come out with the workaround. Pretty simple fix IMO. Great Video!
If you can get the Festool Kapex (a clearly superior saw) and Stand and extensions with 5ft support and 8ft material stops out each side for considerably less then just these stands, you know its unreasonably overpriced. You can easily build additional support extensions for a $100. There’s considerably less then $1000 worth of Aluminum there so how much money you make with it doesn’t justify its cost, that’s not how you price tools There’s also other fence systems that do exactly this for much less with 1/2 the bulk and much less setup time.
Commercial equipment isn’t cheap especially GOOD commercial equipment. If it saves you time and gives you a better finished product then I think it’s worth it.
Define GOOD. Does it mean a saw table that twists and flexes like the cut hub does just from the pressure applied to lock down the saw stop clamps? For 4k I would expect it to be made of thick enough material that was well fitted enough that it does not twist and flex all over like this thing appears to do.
4k is way too much for "some tables". I know that the price is high because of the development. You could buy a lot of great stuff for 4k. But for sure, its useful!
In 15 years installing cabinets, I’ve had enough room on a job site to set something like this up maybe 10 times. I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions but this is essentially an outdoor setup.
Great tool! Great review!Not worth $4k too a little guy right out of the gate, however I can see the benefits for production work.I also see this becoming easier and faster for you after using it more.
If it increases productivity, accuracy, safety and saves time it is worth it for a pro builder. The pro builder/owner is clearly who this tool is being marketed to. I like it. You get what you pay for!
It’s pricey at $4k !!!! Been a long time since I’ve been in the building trades but I’d say that it would pay dividends for someone who builds in the volume and style that you do. You do a great job with your buildings and with you tool reviews. You and your crew seem like great people.
First off, I never need to cut long boards in multiples. Being built with aluminum,fit , finish,and portability..looks like a great start. Did I miss something, or what happens when the board length ends between stands? A continuous tape measure,as well as a place for the stop.. is what I thought this system was all about? The stop should be wider( for stability),and only need the front locked like a table saw.
Add a 24 inch guide/template/measuring stick, attached somewhere on the framework so you can zero your mitre saw EXACTLY EACH TIME.........BUT thinking about it, you have to zero everything according to the tape measure you are using that day, be wary of using a dinged tape measure you dropped later in the day or you doing the cuts while your work colleague is shouting out the measurements using a different tape measure, without checking they are giving the same measurement's, other than that any tool that makes you time and money and life easier is worth a look, great review
Given the size of the buildings these guys build I would say any miter/ cutoff station is a must have. I know this was a demonstration on the gravel but I would set it up once on the building slab until the job was done. Like the other commentors I question the $4k price but good tools made in this country are pricey. If you get what you pay for it is a good deal. When I was a machinest I bought Starrat measuring tools. Not inexpensive but very good. I have been watching these videos and have been impressed by the sheer efficiency of these guys.
Not for me, even if I was still framing full time. Good call on the locking together function. Its range is clearly compromised by the lack of that feature. I like the concept but also see room for improvement, especially at the price point. I like the adjustable legs but feel they could be improved for a more accurate surface. Would also like to see more of a back fence. perhaps even on board level vials.
I really like this tool. The price for me is a bit high but im not a pro. I will however make a diy version for myself with some t track and a metal tape rule from fastcap. Awesome tool, Fantastic Idea, outta my budget
Looks best for large scale work , like what you deal with in your big metal clad buildings. Other fence/table/stop systems have advantages for smaller scale and finish work.
I used to think Festool stands were overpriced until I saw this one! Thanks for demonstrating it but it’s a stand with a kinda, sorta, sometimes ruler/stop built in (with an extension that was a truly horrible afterthought). I made my own stand and I agree the efficiency is good, but in my opinion this unit was not well designed. A system with flip stops that can be left set at common measurements and flipped down as required is a whole level higher efficiency. That’s not possible with this unit. Kudos to the guy for giving it a go, but no, this is not a US$4K product. Sorry.
A few things: 1: I cannot believe how warm it was last winter. We had a similar situation in PA., and shortly after that warm spell it snowed heavily and froze and the temp dropped below zero F. You had an ideal winter job site there! 2: I would've liked to see the Cut Hub set up with those wooden outriggers that Dave Jessop brought to you. I could see how they would be very useful when you were stacking your cut lumber for your windows and balancing them on the one metal horse. 3: You didn't show any detailed footage of how the miter saw is first mated to the Cut Hub saw platform. That would be neat to see. 4: One neat thing that Concord Carpenter / Toolbox Buzz did when they reviewed Milwaukee's smaller prefab miter saw horse, they showed how the saw station platform included a small indentation for retaining small items like a pencil or razor-blade knife. Robilard suggested Milwaukee improve this tray-within-a-tray by magnetizing it. Cut Hub should do something similar with their "2.0". ua-cam.com/video/aRiHi_KlWRY/v-deo.html 5: Dave Jessop & Co. could always team up with Red Oxx from MT. Both made in MT., both premium in their niche, both would appeal to rugged, on-the-road contractors. 6: This is going to sound a little silly at first, but please stop and think: This Cut Hub with two wooden outriggers would make a great on-site table for viewing blueprints as well as for lunch breaks and other table applications. All that would be needed is a pair of benches. If there were a way to clamp down a blueprint (or shade umbrella/tent) to the table, this would be very useful for a variety of applications, both job site and otherwise. 7: I hope all those components a durable and hold up a long time. 8: In your job trailer, you used the shipping boxes for storage. That's a minor, though significant, selling point. What was that box you stacked the cordless saw on top of? Was that part of the boxing as well?
Just a thought put a draw latch on the side to lock them together. Or just throw a ratchet strap around the leg to keep it from moving when you have the tables slid together.
Andrew Renner but pulling a tape and marking for every board when you’re making the same board isn’t efficient either. Like he said, it’s a trade-off one way verses the other. The benefit here is the exact length and square ends every time. Personally for me I install a lot of tongue and groove ceilings. We use a miter saw anyhow to get the job done, so this would be better for my guy’s efficiency.
@@Gottesacker86 I have Fastcap's Best Fence Pro 4. It isn't as durable as the cuthub appears to be but it's gobs cheaper and has an accurate stop that goes right up to the blade. Plus they have new fences without the rear vertical part. Super nice.
I've found a chinese knock off brand ($100 CDN) mitre saw stand with pull out arms, wheels and a friggin power bar. I've thrown it in and out of my van every day for the last 5 years, and only replaced one 60 cent washer. hell, I could get a work van for $4000USD
unless I'm missing something... that little arm that goes on the stop fence, positions the saw correctly. so after setting up the tables, lock the stop on a predetermined position, load the saw and touch the arm and the saw should be pretty close to perfect.
When disassembling the three tables consider flipping the table your folding the legs down onto the remaining table, then you are not bent over working on the ground except for the last table.
I would love to own this miter saw system. The price just seems a little steep i would of never imagined to be that much but besides the price seems like a real innovative product.
When the sections are pushed together tight you could add a locking block to the legs using the available slot in each. Maybe a couple of carriage bolts and wing nuts and an aluminum piece cut to size.
This would be awesome for siding! Any lap siding, would be perfect on this Cut Hub cut station! We cut the same number many times. Awesome video as always Kyle!
The biggest thing people are missing is that we don't all make straight cuts on every board. I rarely build pitched foods with straight walls. Stop blocks allow me to square one end then cut an angle on the other side very quickly and accurately. Same goes for super long tji and engineered studs and lvl. If you are building anything other than cookie cutters and especially if you do it in remote places like me, a proper workstations is key. No reason you can't swap out the mitre saw for a cold metal saw if you do all the trades like me. Then move it into your home shop. I still think at this price it needs a full fence though.
Just a small tip I noticed.If you have one base set up you can put the other bases on top and save yourself some bending over when getting the legs out.Same for when you take it down at the end of the day.
Hello, Coming from 40 years experience as a Carpenter the majority doing finish Carpentry, this saw station does have it's place especially if you are an "Owner Operator and hire out regularly.. I have several work stations and if I could go through a "do over" in life(starting in the Trades) I would do a few hings a little differently and would consider this Saw Station... It is a little too big for most Finnish Carpentry needs(indoors)... Greg
I think in an afternoon you could grab some trojan style legs and some lumber and be at around $500 bux that would function exactly the same. theyre making too much or paying too much for something without a motor to cost 4k or you could buy three dewalt stands and modify them to do the same thing
all true...except the tool that locks a measurement in for consistent cuts...and the fact that this miter station is also a table saw outfeed...I just didn't show it
The double cam on the stop block looks cumbersome. The button needing to be pushed to open the legs is unnecessary. Nice product, in theory, but needs to be simplified to be really efficient. I'd consider this a prototype. In a few years this could be a really nice product. Price needs to be significantly cheaper too.
Very quality video Kyle. Great job show how the cuthub is useful and improves efficiency. For framing we have built our own mitersaw stand that work quite well and was less than $50 in lumber. The cut hub looks extremely slick to use but I’m sure I could justify the price of it. Thanks again for showing an innovative product Kyle.
When builders get to your level, they fabricate in a shop. The girts and purlins are alot cheaper when bought by the truckload. Have a laborer cut and drill in bulk inside the shop and store them for future jobs.
We use 2/4 built saw horses that we’ve had for well over a year.. 4 to 6 pairs of saw horses and all built from scrap wood or horses from the house before. I know everyone’s different but I couldn’t even imagine.
As a DIYer, there is no way I would spend $4k on what is essentially a couple of tables. As a handyman etc, this full kit is also probably not worth it. Just two stands might be competitive with the Paulk designs (the Paulk designs are an order of magnitude cheaper but to get that price you have to build it yourself and time is money etc). For heavy duty repetitive work like you are doing this probably makes sense because of all the time you are saving by not having to get the tape out for each board, and you have the space to set it up and have both infeed and outfeed lumber piles.
Being only a two man operation $4k is a BIG investment. At every build we setup our cut station made from wood . I design it to tear down and assemble in about 30min we don't disassemble every day. It stays under a pull out canopy which is attached to the side of my 20-foot trailer that comes out about 20 ft
I was thinking the same thing about the lock when you put them together, until version 2.0 comes out I would just throw a clamp or two on there, that would keep the two together and it’s always good to have clamps around anyway
Worth mentioning to everyone else... this is the largest most exclusive cut hun package called the "contractors package" there are smaller panchages that don't include all 3.
There should be a clamping system instead of thumb screws to attach the saw to the stands. Also some sort of adjustable stop for the end of the lumber that can be lined up with the saw.
@@RRBuildings $4000 seems way off the mark. Sure it costs a bit to do the design and have custom aluminum extrusions made, but they need to think about what their potential market is, not just about making their money back the on the first few units.
NoC fair enough I don t know their business. This system will last for quite a while... if I save time on every frame up on each building... it will pay for itself. Labor and quality are always my main driving force when looking at tool investments. I 100% agree 4k seems high but then again so is a $1500 miter saw (festool) yet people buy the crap out of it.
Regarding the problem of not being able to set the stop at around 8', could you slide the miter saw left or right a few inches on the support poles and then set the ruler off the blade? Basically, skip the gap.
I suppose until Version 2 comes out, you could use clamps to hold the sections together. Also that area where the stop can't go, you could use the "safety bar" to extent into that area. Nice video. Seems like a good system. R
You should pick up the bundle of wood with the skid steer and position it where you can just slide them on to the table to cut. Save walking time, especially on those rocks. Great work as usual.
skliros we demoed one of the early “sawgear” jobsite digital stops. It was destroyed in minutes by banging 2x12s into it. This looks a lot more rugged, but still... it had better be bulletproof and this looks like it might well be.
They should add a micro adjustment to the fence, similar to a table saw. Seems way too cumbersome to try and micro adjust the entire saw. It would be better to only have to get the saw to within an inch or so of the right spot and then z out the fence.
for someone, who pays more than 200$ for a hammer it may be a inexpensive investment. For me (my hammer costs about 25€ = 25$) it is way to expensive. But however, it is a great tool!
I have incorporated this concept with success but four to six k no. Mine was based on 8-9' walls. You can not cut sixteen-foot Doug fir accurate unless that thing is level or you are superman. You can see it happening in the first couple you cut. I would have liked to see speed square down the 1 1/2 side, but honestly, I have cut enough wood that I do not need to. Bring the saw to the wood or bring the wood to the saw is an old question. Love the concept but there are a few missing dynamics in the discussion.
Hi Cyle looks like they need to change a few things on this unit. But the design I really like too. What they MUST change is this button on each leg it should be more like the tough build sawhorse legs. So you don't need to push... hold it so you can unfold it. It should only need to be pushed when put away again. And also why does it has to be so long ?? That cut stopper should be coming with 2 additional parts in it, I laser measure unit and a reflector unit so you can just stick it onto your miter saw cut and push the button on the cut stopper and BOOM you can in mm or inches with fraction or without set up it's perfect distance each time. But also the price of 4K is WAY TO MUCH. I say $1500 for this without shipping and those boxes yes and with all it max $2500, But the laser is a MUCH BIGGER thing let him design the laser so it laser off your miter blade and boom you don't even need the tape anymore and you are much quicker on the money. I love my BOSCH laser measure unit's they are rock stars so let him just add a holder like a magnet place on top of it and boom you got it that would than really cut down time and speed it all up.
Sorry, but The Paulk Total Station Ultralight has it beat and it even has a place to put cut parts, not balancing them on the extensions. One downside for you. is that you must build it.
D Scott I failed to show the extensions that get put on and the table saw outfeed. It’s the entire package that really makes this system worth it and the ROI make sense in my opinion.
@@RRBuildings Ron Paulk uses the Total Station as an outfeed table for his SawStop Contractor table saw. You and Ron have very different business and your needs are not the same. Lately, your trailer is looking more like Ron's too! lol
@@dsdragoon I've never seen Ron Paulk use his outside in the snow.... snow turns to water, snow also turns to rain... Can't beat aluminum for working outside. From most of the comments on here, not too many have experienced the joys of framing in the winter, especially a house.
I just cant see how or why u would want to use this, especially for your application. It would slow the process down so much. We always use a cordless saw and cut our lumber where it sits. Not sure why you would want to move all that lumber twice as much. I can see for trim work but not for framing. Just my opinion.
Warren lll do you throw your tape measure back and forth on the pile... mark your measurements and the make a square line in every board? Then once you cut a layer move all those off the pile and take them somewhere?? Then this would be quicker wouldn’t it?? I could have done a better job setting the piles up... I give you that
Yes we cut what we need on the pile and take it directly to where we need it. That way we arent moving the wood twice only once. Im not trying to say were better because u guys do amazing top notch work. But there is no way our boss would let us set up a chop saw station for framing.
Jeff Kowalski hmm not sure how you would set up your table saw.... have a locking measuring tool.... not to mention it comes with some cool extendable work stations you can move around to where ever you are working. Also use them as scaffold if need be
I know you can mount your table saw but unless I missed a video you haven't really shown how useful a 20 foot outfeed table can be. That being said you can buy tools to make yourself more productive or you can give your money to the tax man (unless you're not profitable, then you just bust on other peoples videos).@@RRBuildings
Nice rig...but....too low for me. I see the adjustable legs. Probably could pre-set the height and leave it. Another but....noticed at tear down not much room between the feet of the legs in the folded position, that would prevent the pre setting of the leg height for different job sites. Should have used the Milwaukee saw...would have matched the red on the hub. Lol What weight are the horses(benches) rated at?. Could use as a impromptu scaffold. Keep up the great craftsmanship Greg
I like it, but 4K is just too much. I understand that it’s the “pro” edition, and maybe the entry level ones are less expensive buts it’s aluminum, not gold. I can’t see spending more than a grand or two, but I am not a contractor and don’t cut repetitive cuts all day. Great video and demonstration
Seems like a good investment but, couldn't you drill holes for those mounting clamps? That way, your saw was "set" each time without that extra setup step. Make sense? Don't you still worry about the entire system being level? I have 2 "corded" miter saws, 1 is attached to a rigid universal miter saw stand. It has extensions that allow me to still handle larger boards. If I need longer support, I use the roller stands. The other is a Bosch with it's own stand, same principle, it has extensions and if needed I still have the support stands. I use an 8 foot straight edge/level gauge to ensure everything is level to the table of the saw. From what I can see, even adjusting the legs, you're still giving yourself a chance of actually cutting a slight bevel cut, unless that's not an issue for you? Hope that makes sense to you, would like your thoughts on that. Otherwise, again, it seems like a very good investment, really like the idea of them "locking" together.
Really depends on the use case, for me, no I would not pay but I’m a weekend DIYer. If it was my lively hood and core business then yes. If it saves you an hour a day and saves lumber ( from having to scrap bad cuts) then it’s paid for itself in a few months, that’s good business. My job is in electronics and iv spend £500+ on a scope and £350 on a soldering station, that’s a lot to most but to me it’s a good investment. It’s all relative.
If they can figure out how to manufacture it at around $250 and sell in the $600-$800 range, then i can see it taking off. Products need to be marketable, and pricing is a big part of it. Most contractors' total tool cost is under $4000. A 4ft (250lb capacity) aluminum platform at home depot goes for $50. The guys need to figure out their at scale (eventual) production cost, price the product based on it, and cover the losses in the short term. Unless they do this, they will likely never get to scale.
First, you provide a lot of content and explanation in your videos. Thank you for that. You set this station up left handed. Why. It seems that a right handed set up would be better for your crew and avoid the dreaded cross handling of a miter saw. Is this available with the equipment that you were provided? Maybe you could provide an explanation in another video. Otherwise, except for leveling, set up looks great. I have the money, I just need the justification for a non commercial junkie who is a tool freak! LOL. Thanks again.
They could easily create a small tray to bridge the gap so you can cut 8 foot lengths or would that 10" drop down attachment enable you to lock that stop at 106", flip down that 10" attachment and get 96" cuts?
I could use that! 4K is a lot of money though. I need to be able to see the money in the tool itself. Those 3 tables don’t seem like they should cost that much. To me at least.
Watching you set up and take down this stand, reminds me of how much I hate my Ryobi miter saw stand that I paid $100 for. I was thinking that I could make a very similar stand that I would probably also hate, by buying 2 more of those stands and making a few minor alterations. I would have less than $400 into a stand that would be muck cheaper than 4 grand! The thing I hate most about my stand is the fact that you have to bend over so much to fold the legs in and out, and the fact that it doesn't have wheels like every other stand.
4k for a work station is pretty spendy! I could probably accomplish the same thing with 3 Dewalt miter stands set side by side for $600.00. It would take a long time to make the investment pay for itself. I could buy some nice shop equipment with $4k!
When I need to cut allot of lumber to a set length like 16' or 4' I just make a quick jig out of a longer piece and add a stop on one end. After that any circular saw will work... Cost: 0, time: 10 min. I'd rather use my head than wallet any day.
that's a killer unit and I love how firm and stable it is. I currently use the Ridgid big assed heavy cart on wheels for my Dewalt 780 and I bet it weighs as much as that entire set up. I hate that I have 2 spindly four foot arms to hold up my work and once cut the work falls to the ground. I especially like the table saw out table. Curious if it would work with my Dewalt table saw cart.
The safety attachment doubles as a flip stop? Not quite since it only gives you 10 more inches, but if you needed to free hand a cut just a bit longer..
What do you guys think? Would this be useful? Is $4k too much for a tool that helps you be more efficient and safer at the same time? For me, if a tool makes me better and quicker....It's a good investment!
That miter saw very impressive
Yes I’m liking it for sure. Battery has excellent run time and powerful.
It looks like a great addition but for that price I would spend a little more and buy a saw gear setup.
Yes it definitely is better then cutting with a skill saw a guy who built a barn for me made a mitre saw station on an old bale wagon he got from a farmer where he could put a whole stack of 2by4 on it with the telehandler, move the wagon to the part of the building he needed the lumber. Youd have to pull a board off the to the front on to the rollers he put on so the board slide very easily then through the mitre saw to the stop he has set up that was pretty neat also
YOUR JUST A TOOL JUNKIE , LIKE ME
For $4k you could buy a low boy trailer and turn it into a cut station.
My first new Toyota Pickup was $4,300
For me, the ideas in ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxAfqpMLyFn37qcqUl0FAzqkkycQeXqrhP Plans were a starting point for building different sheds . Ryan gives ideas that allow an individual to draw nicest conclusions into the design and building of his or her own shed.
What the heck does that have to do with the cut hub?
just two inputs -
1) The legs should fold out and lock without needing to bend over to push the lock in, only when folding it up should you have to unlock and saying that, the lock release could be near bottom of the legs inside so your not bending over
2) The aluminium stop only needs one lock to push down, the back side should just hook over the table
just an opinion on the product :)
$4,000 for three aluminum saw horses, yeah what a great deal. I’ll stick with my dewalt miter stand and a tape measure
My suggestion for version 2.0: an additional fence or a rail to keep long lumber parallel to the fence of your mitersaw. And to prevent from falling down. the second idea is a kind of soft-cover, if you cut painted or sensitve material to prevent from scratches.
This is what would keep me from buying it too. I've had stations with full fence and it's key.
Wow, something that makes Festool seem inexpensive.
I was thinking along that line. Festool can buy the company and not have to raise the price?
These kits start at 1500
The fact that this feature video is now a year old, and I have yet to see this used again in the background of any videos since is a good indication of the practicality of this system.
What are you talking about!! We use it every dang job multiple times
They need a lead-in angle for the leg lock button. There should not be a need to press the button to extend the leg. They need to move the leg frame under the table so the stop can be locked all the way to the ends of the tables. There needs to be friction locks on the table connecting tubes instead of fussy spring loaded bullet pins. The stop needs to be one handed instead of two handed. There needs to be a story board stop setup where you can reposition the stop in 3 or 4 of your most common measurements. There needs to be a dolly of some kind. I think most of us agree that cost needs to be pulled out of the unit to get the price back down in line with the competition.
Jerod Matlock you have some good ideas! I hope cut hub reads the comments
It’s perfect for what you are doing. I have never cried later about cost for a set up I love.
Everybody is always looking to get the edge in trying to cut cost and be more efficient . Its a product for production on a large scale
That setup is great on so many levels it's amazing. First thing that comes to mind is a safer way to do your job. And do it better, safer, faster, better cuts, less waste. The list goes on. No question it's a great investment. One thing it's the mark of a pro, not a hack. It's a money maker. For you.
Cant get into it if they are ashamed to list prices on their website. Saw you
said $4k??? Nope, but thanks for the demo
Keith Grey I agree they should have all their pricing on their site..... they need feedback too I suppose.
Maybe for 1/5 the cost. For that price I'd be scared to leave for lunch
It's got lot of legs.... It can walk away!
Alvin Norris you leave all your tools out? Someone’s going to walk with a saw way before they pack this thing up and walk
Bring your lunch, then you don't have to leave. ;-) Plus you get back to work faster!
Patrick Houser right... Is this a union gig? Who the hell gets to “leave for lunch”? We give guys 30 mins - enough to eat what they brought and take a short break but not enough to ruin momentum for the day. It takes an hour to get back into a rhythm after an hour long offsite lunch.
Tioga Fretworks personally, most days my guy and I don’t take lunch. We take short water breaks throughout the day. About once a week if it works out I’ll take him to lunch somewhere but otherwise our day is spent working.
I hate wasting time this is nothing but efficiency Like everything else to do thanks for sharing
It needs an easier to read scale and multiple flip up but sturdy stop blocks. That way you could lock in multiple measurements for faster production.
It's a really nice system. I'd love to own...
That being said I see this as a 1500$ system. I don't think I'd be comfortable paying much more than that
For siders I could see this, but when I'm building a structure I'm usually mobile with saw in hand. A Finnish guy works on flat ground where he can use a pod to hold up long pieces. Even if I had this I'm not sure it would be a good fit for me. I have made a plywoood table and a few extended pieces to hold up my work piece for use with the miter and table saws
It’s a sweet setup. Definitely on the pricey end, but no doubt would pay for itself over time provided it holds up. Good catch trying to butt them against each other. He may have already come out with the workaround. Pretty simple fix IMO. Great Video!
I’d think about it for $900…
$200 per horse, $200 for the fancy stop, $100 for the mounting plate
If you can get the Festool Kapex (a clearly superior saw) and Stand and extensions with 5ft support and 8ft material stops out each side for considerably less then just these stands, you know its unreasonably overpriced.
You can easily build additional support extensions for a $100.
There’s considerably less then $1000 worth of Aluminum there so how much money you make with it doesn’t justify its cost, that’s not how you price tools
There’s also other fence systems that do exactly this for much less with 1/2 the bulk and much less setup time.
It's great for a company with a budget to spend. For a small company it's too expensive. Thanks for demonstration Kyle
Commercial equipment isn’t cheap especially GOOD commercial equipment. If it saves you time and gives you a better finished product then I think it’s worth it.
Define GOOD. Does it mean a saw table that twists and flexes like the cut hub does just from the pressure applied to lock down the saw stop clamps? For 4k I would expect it to be made of thick enough material that was well fitted enough that it does not twist and flex all over like this thing appears to do.
4k is way too much for "some tables". I know that the price is high because of the development. You could buy a lot of great stuff for 4k. But for sure, its useful!
Fredrik Milder maybe around 12 Festool systainers or a Kapex and 6 systainers.
In 15 years installing cabinets, I’ve had enough room on a job site to set something like this up maybe 10 times.
I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions but this is essentially an outdoor setup.
Great tool! Great review!Not worth $4k too a little guy right out of the gate, however I can see the benefits for production work.I also see this becoming easier and faster for you after using it more.
If it increases productivity, accuracy, safety and saves time it is worth it for a pro builder. The pro builder/owner is clearly who this tool is being marketed to. I like it. You get what you pay for!
I knew I shouldn't have read any of the comments…
It’s pricey at $4k !!!! Been a long time since I’ve been in the building trades but I’d say that it would pay dividends for someone who builds in the volume and style that you do. You do a great job with your buildings and with you tool reviews. You and your crew seem like great people.
First off, I never need to cut long boards in multiples.
Being built with aluminum,fit , finish,and portability..looks like a great start.
Did I miss something, or what happens when the board length ends between stands?
A continuous tape measure,as well as a place for the stop.. is what I thought this system was all about?
The stop should be wider( for stability),and only need the front locked like a table saw.
Add a 24 inch guide/template/measuring stick, attached somewhere on the framework so you can zero your mitre saw EXACTLY EACH TIME.........BUT thinking about it, you have to zero everything according to the tape measure you are using that day, be wary of using a dinged tape measure you dropped later in the day or you doing the cuts while your work colleague is shouting out the measurements using a different tape measure, without checking they are giving the same measurement's, other than that any tool that makes you time and money and life easier is worth a look, great review
Given the size of the buildings these guys build I would say any miter/ cutoff station is a must have. I know this was a demonstration on the gravel but I would set it up once on the building slab until the job was done. Like the other commentors I question the $4k price but good tools made in this country are pricey. If you get what you pay for it is a good deal. When I was a machinest I bought Starrat measuring tools. Not inexpensive but very good.
I have been watching these videos and have been impressed by the sheer efficiency of these guys.
Your stop extension is probably for extending between these stations too. Looks like a great time saver for framing.
Looks like a great system. Thanks for the thorough review.
Not for me, even if I was still framing full time. Good call on the locking together function. Its range is clearly compromised by the lack of that feature. I like the concept but also see room for improvement, especially at the price point. I like the adjustable legs but feel they could be improved for a more accurate surface. Would also like to see more of a back fence. perhaps even on board level vials.
The festool system does the exact same thing with the wings and has good stops and is way cheaper with the saw included.
yes but does it have a table saw outfeed built in as well as tons of extra storage on removable wings?
I really like this tool. The price for me is a bit high but im not a pro. I will however make a diy version for myself with some t track and a metal tape rule from fastcap. Awesome tool, Fantastic Idea, outta my budget
You could fix the not locking at 48 inches with 5 minutes and a 1/4 inch drill bit
lay the square on your board and use it to guide the saw. perfect cut every time.
Looks best for large scale work , like what you deal with in your big metal clad buildings. Other fence/table/stop systems have advantages for smaller scale and finish work.
I used to think Festool stands were overpriced until I saw this one! Thanks for demonstrating it but it’s a stand with a kinda, sorta, sometimes ruler/stop built in (with an extension that was a truly horrible afterthought). I made my own stand and I agree the efficiency is good, but in my opinion this unit was not well designed. A system with flip stops that can be left set at common measurements and flipped down as required is a whole level higher efficiency. That’s not possible with this unit. Kudos to the guy for giving it a go, but no, this is not a US$4K product. Sorry.
A few things:
1: I cannot believe how warm it was last winter. We had a similar situation in PA., and shortly after that warm spell it snowed heavily and froze and the temp dropped below zero F. You had an ideal winter job site there!
2: I would've liked to see the Cut Hub set up with those wooden outriggers that Dave Jessop brought to you. I could see how they would be very useful when you were stacking your cut lumber for your windows and balancing them on the one metal horse.
3: You didn't show any detailed footage of how the miter saw is first mated to the Cut Hub saw platform. That would be neat to see.
4: One neat thing that Concord Carpenter / Toolbox Buzz did when they reviewed Milwaukee's smaller prefab miter saw horse, they showed how the saw station platform included a small indentation for retaining small items like a pencil or razor-blade knife. Robilard suggested Milwaukee improve this tray-within-a-tray by magnetizing it. Cut Hub should do something similar with their "2.0". ua-cam.com/video/aRiHi_KlWRY/v-deo.html
5: Dave Jessop & Co. could always team up with Red Oxx from MT. Both made in MT., both premium in their niche, both would appeal to rugged, on-the-road contractors.
6: This is going to sound a little silly at first, but please stop and think: This Cut Hub with two wooden outriggers would make a great on-site table for viewing blueprints as well as for lunch breaks and other table applications. All that would be needed is a pair of benches. If there were a way to clamp down a blueprint (or shade umbrella/tent) to the table, this would be very useful for a variety of applications, both job site and otherwise.
7: I hope all those components a durable and hold up a long time.
8: In your job trailer, you used the shipping boxes for storage. That's a minor, though significant, selling point. What was that box you stacked the cordless saw on top of? Was that part of the boxing as well?
All great ideas and yes the entire shipping containers doubled as storage in the trailer
Just a thought put a draw latch on the side to lock them together. Or just throw a ratchet strap around the leg to keep it from moving when you have the tables slid together.
Justin Sherriff oh I totally agree but for 4k I think it should be included
Dude for $4 k it would want to frame the bloody building for me!!! No way!!!
Not efficient in this case at all. Moving lumber is an additional step. Stupid. This would be a good system for siding guys doing LP
Andrew Renner but pulling a tape and marking for every board when you’re making the same board isn’t efficient either. Like he said, it’s a trade-off one way verses the other. The benefit here is the exact length and square ends every time.
Personally for me I install a lot of tongue and groove ceilings. We use a miter saw anyhow to get the job done, so this would be better for my guy’s efficiency.
@@Gottesacker86 with a few 2x4s and 1x6s and the insert from a tape measure you could have the same set up for a couple of hundred dollars or less
pearse mcaleese without the ability to compact it as much. You’re right though.
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I have Fastcap's Best Fence Pro 4. It isn't as durable as the cuthub appears to be but it's gobs cheaper and has an accurate stop that goes right up to the blade. Plus they have new fences without the rear vertical part. Super nice.
Wow that’s an awesome set up. Wish I had that when I was in construction many many years ago they would’ve been so helpful
I can do the exact same thing with my $200 DeWalt miter saw stand. I do it every day, I'm a trim Carpenter.
your parents must be so proud
I've found a chinese knock off brand ($100 CDN) mitre saw stand with pull out arms, wheels and a friggin power bar. I've thrown it in and out of my van every day for the last 5 years, and only replaced one 60 cent washer. hell, I could get a work van for $4000USD
@@patryan3723 have link and name?
4000 lmao 🤣
@@patryan3723 dead link
unless I'm missing something... that little arm that goes on the stop fence, positions the saw correctly. so after setting up the tables, lock the stop on a predetermined position, load the saw and touch the arm and the saw should be pretty close to perfect.
Hey Kyle. You could use a couple of clamps to lock the butted ends together before v2 comes out.
Frank Taccetta thanks I agree. I just wish it was already In there
Damm you get me every time I wanted to look something up seen your new video 20 min later I forgot what I wanted to look up
Just as you have the "two hammer challenge", you could do a challenge with you on the pile and a cub on the cut hub, who's fastest?
True and I thought about that
Yes to this please !!
I would like to see that!.
That or the time it takes a green guy to cut on the pile verses using the cut hub. It’d be interesting to see the difference for the same person.
When disassembling the three tables consider flipping the table your folding the legs down onto the remaining table, then you are not bent over working on the ground except for the last table.
I would love to see an video on your trailer, and your setup.
I like it . it only needs a spacer plate to go over the bars like the table saw lock it .
I would love to own this miter saw system. The price just seems a little steep i would of never imagined to be that much but besides the price seems like a real innovative product.
When the sections are pushed together tight you could add a locking block to the legs using the available slot in each. Maybe a couple of carriage bolts and wing nuts and an aluminum piece cut to size.
This would be awesome for siding! Any lap siding, would be perfect on this Cut Hub cut station! We cut the same number many times.
Awesome video as always Kyle!
The biggest thing people are missing is that we don't all make straight cuts on every board. I rarely build pitched foods with straight walls. Stop blocks allow me to square one end then cut an angle on the other side very quickly and accurately. Same goes for super long tji and engineered studs and lvl. If you are building anything other than cookie cutters and especially if you do it in remote places like me, a proper workstations is key. No reason you can't swap out the mitre saw for a cold metal saw if you do all the trades like me. Then move it into your home shop. I still think at this price it needs a full fence though.
Just a small tip I noticed.If you have one base set up you can put the other bases on top and save yourself some bending over when getting the legs out.Same for when you take it down at the end of the day.
When you pay $4K for a product that should be
Hello, Coming from 40 years experience as a Carpenter the majority doing finish Carpentry, this saw station does have it's place especially if you are an "Owner Operator and hire out regularly.. I have several work stations and if I could go through a "do over" in life(starting in the Trades) I would do a few hings a little differently and would consider this Saw Station...
It is a little too big for most Finnish Carpentry needs(indoors)... Greg
I think in an afternoon you could grab some trojan style legs and some lumber and be at around $500 bux that would function exactly the same. theyre making too much or paying too much for something without a motor to cost 4k
or you could buy three dewalt stands and modify them to do the same thing
all true...except the tool that locks a measurement in for consistent cuts...and the fact that this miter station is also a table saw outfeed...I just didn't show it
The double cam on the stop block looks cumbersome. The button needing to be pushed to open the legs is unnecessary. Nice product, in theory, but needs to be simplified to be really efficient. I'd consider this a prototype. In a few years this could be a really nice product. Price needs to be significantly cheaper too.
def version 1.0
Looks like a fantastic setup.
Very quality video Kyle. Great job show how the cuthub is useful and improves efficiency. For framing we have built our own mitersaw stand that work quite well and was less than $50 in lumber. The cut hub looks extremely slick to use but I’m sure I could justify the price of it. Thanks again for showing an innovative product Kyle.
When builders get to your level, they fabricate in a shop. The girts and purlins are alot cheaper when bought by the truckload. Have a laborer cut and drill in bulk inside the shop and store them for future jobs.
I just hit the big five-oh. I recently bought a DWX723. When my buds see it, they remind me I'm old. This thing looks nice, but too nice for me.
We use 2/4 built saw horses that we’ve had for well over a year.. 4 to 6 pairs of saw horses and all built from scrap wood or horses from the house before. I know everyone’s different but I couldn’t even imagine.
As a DIYer, there is no way I would spend $4k on what is essentially a couple of tables.
As a handyman etc, this full kit is also probably not worth it. Just two stands might be competitive with the Paulk designs (the Paulk designs are an order of magnitude cheaper but to get that price you have to build it yourself and time is money etc).
For heavy duty repetitive work like you are doing this probably makes sense because of all the time you are saving by not having to get the tape out for each board, and you have the space to set it up and have both infeed and outfeed lumber piles.
Being only a two man operation $4k is a BIG investment.
At every build we setup our cut station made from wood . I design it to tear down and assemble in about 30min we don't disassemble every day. It stays under a pull out canopy which is attached to the side of my 20-foot trailer that comes out about 20 ft
I was thinking the same thing about the lock when you put them together, until version 2.0 comes out I would just throw a clamp or two on there, that would keep the two together and it’s always good to have clamps around anyway
Worth mentioning to everyone else... this is the largest most exclusive cut hun package called the "contractors package" there are smaller panchages that don't include all 3.
There should be a clamping system instead of thumb screws to attach the saw to the stands.
Also some sort of adjustable stop for the end of the lumber that can be lined up with the saw.
NoC agree there is still lots of room for improvement
@@RRBuildings $4000 seems way off the mark. Sure it costs a bit to do the design and have custom aluminum extrusions made, but they need to think about what their potential market is, not just about making their money back the on the first few units.
NoC fair enough I don t know their business. This system will last for quite a while... if I save time on every frame up on each building... it will pay for itself. Labor and quality are always my main driving force when looking at tool investments. I 100% agree 4k seems high but then again so is a $1500 miter saw (festool) yet people buy the crap out of it.
Regarding the problem of not being able to set the stop at around 8', could you slide the miter saw left or right a few inches on the support poles and then set the ruler off the blade? Basically, skip the gap.
very possible
I suppose until Version 2 comes out, you could use clamps to hold the sections together. Also that area where the stop can't go, you could use the "safety bar" to extent into that area. Nice video. Seems like a good system. R
You should pick up the bundle of wood with the skid steer and position it where you can just slide them on to the table to cut.
Save walking time, especially on those rocks.
Great work as usual.
Might bump into the $4k stand. We can't have that happen..
skliros we demoed one of the early “sawgear” jobsite digital stops. It was destroyed in minutes by banging 2x12s into it. This looks a lot more rugged, but still... it had better be bulletproof and this looks like it might well be.
Awesome video. Great station! Grew up in Minnesota- this video made me feel cold haha and glad I now live in CA.
They should add a micro adjustment to the fence, similar to a table saw. Seems way too cumbersome to try and micro adjust the entire saw. It would be better to only have to get the saw to within an inch or so of the right spot and then z out the fence.
thats a great idea
Gone are the days of building stands, stools and nonsense. So awesome!
for someone, who pays more than 200$ for a hammer it may be a inexpensive investment. For me (my hammer costs about 25€ = 25$) it is way to expensive. But however, it is a great tool!
I have incorporated this concept with success but four to six k no. Mine was based on 8-9' walls. You can not cut sixteen-foot Doug fir accurate unless that thing is level or you are superman. You can see it happening in the first couple you cut. I would have liked to see speed square down the 1 1/2 side, but honestly, I have cut enough wood that I do not need to. Bring the saw to the wood or bring the wood to the saw is an old question. Love the concept but there are a few missing dynamics in the discussion.
Hi Cyle looks like they need to change a few things on this unit. But the design I really like too. What they MUST change is this button on each leg it should be more like the tough build sawhorse legs. So you don't need to push... hold it so you can unfold it. It should only need to be pushed when put away again. And also why does it has to be so long ?? That cut stopper should be coming with 2 additional parts in it, I laser measure unit and a reflector unit so you can just stick it onto your miter saw cut and push the button on the cut stopper and BOOM you can in mm or inches with fraction or without set up it's perfect distance each time. But also the price of 4K is WAY TO MUCH. I say $1500 for this without shipping and those boxes yes and with all it max $2500, But the laser is a MUCH BIGGER thing let him design the laser so it laser off your miter blade and boom you don't even need the tape anymore and you are much quicker on the money. I love my BOSCH laser measure unit's they are rock stars so let him just add a holder like a magnet place on top of it and boom you got it that would than really cut down time and speed it all up.
Sorry, but The Paulk Total Station Ultralight has it beat and it even has a place to put cut parts, not balancing them on the extensions. One downside for you. is that you must build it.
D Scott I failed to show the extensions that get put on and the table saw outfeed. It’s the entire package that really makes this system worth it and the ROI make sense in my opinion.
@@RRBuildings Ron Paulk uses the Total Station as an outfeed table for his SawStop Contractor table saw. You and Ron have very different business and your needs are not the same. Lately, your trailer is looking more like Ron's too! lol
@@dsdragoon I've never seen Ron Paulk use his outside in the snow.... snow turns to water, snow also turns to rain... Can't beat aluminum for working outside. From most of the comments on here, not too many have experienced the joys of framing in the winter, especially a house.
I just cant see how or why u would want to use this, especially for your application. It would slow the process down so much. We always use a cordless saw and cut our lumber where it sits. Not sure why you would want to move all that lumber twice as much. I can see for trim work but not for framing. Just my opinion.
Warren lll do you throw your tape measure back and forth on the pile... mark your measurements and the make a square line in every board? Then once you cut a layer move all those off the pile and take them somewhere?? Then this would be quicker wouldn’t it?? I could have done a better job setting the piles up... I give you that
Yes we cut what we need on the pile and take it directly to where we need it. That way we arent moving the wood twice only once. Im not trying to say were better because u guys do amazing top notch work. But there is no way our boss would let us set up a chop saw station for framing.
Framers done need this set up.
Great video and appreciate the info but I’m thinking I can do this with 2 dewalt stands or more tied together for around $600.
Jeff Kowalski hmm not sure how you would set up your table saw.... have a locking measuring tool.... not to mention it comes with some cool extendable work stations you can move around to where ever you are working. Also use them as scaffold if need be
RR Buildings what is the weight rating on these Kyle?
RR Buildings I’m not trolling. Great vid. I just think with a little ingenuity you come up with a diff solution for cheaper.
I know you can mount your table saw but unless I missed a video you haven't really shown how useful a 20 foot outfeed table can be. That being said you can buy tools to make yourself more productive or you can give your money to the tax man (unless you're not profitable, then you just bust on other peoples videos).@@RRBuildings
Nice rig...but....too low for me. I see the adjustable legs. Probably could pre-set the height and leave it. Another but....noticed at tear down not much room between the feet of the legs in the folded position, that would prevent the pre setting of the leg height for different job sites.
Should have used the Milwaukee saw...would have matched the red on the hub. Lol
What weight are the horses(benches) rated at?. Could use as a impromptu scaffold.
Keep up the great craftsmanship
Greg
I like it, but 4K is just too much. I understand that it’s the “pro” edition, and maybe the entry level ones are less expensive buts it’s aluminum, not gold. I can’t see spending more than a grand or two, but I am not a contractor and don’t cut repetitive cuts all day. Great video and demonstration
Crazy... I've been looking for something like this but for our rebar cutter..
Seems like a good investment but, couldn't you drill holes for those mounting clamps? That way, your saw was "set" each time without that extra setup step. Make sense?
Don't you still worry about the entire system being level? I have 2 "corded" miter saws, 1 is attached to a rigid universal miter saw stand. It has extensions that allow me to still handle larger boards. If I need longer support, I use the roller stands. The other is a Bosch with it's own stand, same principle, it has extensions and if needed I still have the support stands. I use an 8 foot straight edge/level gauge to ensure everything is level to the table of the saw. From what I can see, even adjusting the legs, you're still giving yourself a chance of actually cutting a slight bevel cut, unless that's not an issue for you? Hope that makes sense to you, would like your thoughts on that. Otherwise, again, it seems like a very good investment, really like the idea of them "locking" together.
Really depends on the use case, for me, no I would not pay but I’m a weekend DIYer. If it was my lively hood and core business then yes. If it saves you an hour a day and saves lumber ( from having to scrap bad cuts) then it’s paid for itself in a few months, that’s good business. My job is in electronics and iv spend £500+ on a scope and £350 on a soldering station, that’s a lot to most but to me it’s a good investment. It’s all relative.
If they can figure out how to manufacture it at around $250 and sell in the $600-$800 range, then i can see it taking off. Products need to be marketable, and pricing is a big part of it. Most contractors' total tool cost is under $4000. A 4ft (250lb capacity) aluminum platform at home depot goes for $50. The guys need to figure out their at scale (eventual) production cost, price the product based on it, and cover the losses in the short term. Unless they do this, they will likely never get to scale.
a942687032679840126 very good point
For the time and effort, build yourself a Paulk Total Station workbench. I'm glad I did!
First, you provide a lot of content and explanation in your videos. Thank you for that. You set this station up left handed. Why. It seems that a right handed set up would be better for your crew and avoid the dreaded cross handling of a miter saw. Is this available with the equipment that you were provided? Maybe you could provide an explanation in another video. Otherwise, except for leveling, set up looks great. I have the money, I just need the justification for a non commercial junkie who is a tool freak! LOL. Thanks again.
They could easily create a small tray to bridge the gap so you can cut 8 foot lengths
or
would that 10" drop down attachment enable you to lock that stop at 106", flip down that 10" attachment and get 96" cuts?
oobaka1967 I like your idea.... I don’t think the 10” stopper works unless I’m dense
@@RRBuildings I've witnessed your math skills. You're definitely not dense.
I could use that! 4K is a lot of money though. I need to be able to see the money in the tool itself. Those 3 tables don’t seem like they should cost that much. To me at least.
Watching you set up and take down this stand, reminds me of how much I hate my Ryobi miter saw stand that I paid $100 for. I was thinking that I could make a very similar stand that I would probably also hate, by buying 2 more of those stands and making a few minor alterations. I would have less than $400 into a stand that would be muck cheaper than 4 grand! The thing I hate most about my stand is the fact that you have to bend over so much to fold the legs in and out, and the fact that it doesn't have wheels like every other stand.
4k for a work station is pretty spendy! I could probably accomplish the same thing with 3 Dewalt miter stands set side by side for $600.00. It would take a long time to make the investment pay for itself. I could buy some nice shop equipment with $4k!
Nice for Finish,...... for frame I'd want rollers for easy feedin off the bunk, or just cut multiples on the bunk.
When I need to cut allot of lumber to a set length like 16' or 4' I just make a quick jig out of a longer piece and add a stop on one end. After that any circular saw will work... Cost: 0, time: 10 min. I'd rather use my head than wallet any day.
that's a killer unit and I love how firm and stable it is. I currently use the Ridgid big assed heavy cart on wheels for my Dewalt 780 and I bet it weighs as much as that entire set up. I hate that I have 2 spindly four foot arms to hold up my work and once cut the work falls to the ground. I especially like the table saw out table. Curious if it would work with my Dewalt table saw cart.
The safety attachment doubles as a flip stop? Not quite since it only gives you 10 more inches, but if you needed to free hand a cut just a bit longer..
If you're always doing 51" and 36" cuts, make an identical piece that is 15 inches.. and then you have a flip stop