Not to mention you also take Bomberry out of the play by forcing him into the crease. He cant touch the ball until the next pass, so that might free up a D
I would suggest a "must be moving through the crease" rule. Defenders cannot stand still while in the crease and, if they are in there, then they must be moving towards getting out. First offence = a warning and fresh shot clock for the O. Second offence = 2 minute penalty.
Any team can do it, the Bandits are just more effective at it, partially because of their will to win and also because it compliments the way vinc plays. Looking forward to your videos when the Bandits win their third straight title next year.
@BoxLacrosseBreakdown I think it is good for lacrosse. The fact that it neutralized torontos offense proves that. Toronto has a bunch of soft forwards who like to stand back and shoot, unwilling or able to cut or get hit in the mouth. Ironically enough, guys like Nanticoke and Frasier would be able to defeat this defense, but they play for the good guys!
@@bflogeno12 what are your thoughts on All four of Toronto Rock’s PK defensemen piled in the crease? Then to take it a step further, all 5 Defensemen piled in the crease on your 5v5 possessions?
This is exactly what Ive been thinking about, a rule similar to basketball, I feel like a time limit wouldn’t really work because of behind the net defense but definitely a cap on the number of defenders in the crease
I don’t think you need to make a rule. I think that offensive players need to be more A-holes. If they want to sit there start ringing shots off of them
i’m very new to lacrosse, i am mostly a basketball fan, there should either be a limit of people in the crease or a 5 seconds jn the paint sort of thing.
I think you're overreacting. There is no reason for a team to pile in the crease like that. It is more detrimental than beneficial. I wouldn't let a team just fire as many open shots at the net as they want simply because I want to pile in the crease. If the league wants to limit the guys in the crease anyway that is fine, but I see a rule that would be hard to enforce because the refs have to juggle so much anyway.
I mean, you only showing one play in one game do year around stats with this and see if it's actually effective as you think, it's not like those players want to stand in front of a shot at
That was one of the only plays I’d seen someone hit a different defender in the crease. These players 1000% want to stand in front of the shot, can tell you that for sure
Should just be a rule that you have to be playing defense or offense. Can't just screen the goalie regardless of your position. Both are stupid and both can easily be solved by ref judgement at the professional level. Adding complexity adds complexity. Not necessary.
Lol, I was wondering if you were gonna make this video and I was thinking of your last video while I was watching the finals. Honestly, I can see a lot of arguments for and against this strategy. Like I said on your video last year, this is clearly a "for playoffs" only strategy since I do not think that it can be maintained for an entire season because it relies on the d-guy's willingness to soak shots in volume. As a d-player, I appreciate how effective this is but as spectator, it's utterly aggravating to watch Dawson and Priolo stand pinned to the pipes in the crease with their sticks down in the five hole waiting to get hit. I can see the argument for it as "good defense", but I am just not sure it is overall good for the game. For instance, what happens when offensive players are told to just start shelling the defenseman's knees and legs if they are going to stand there like that? Now, I am not sure if it should be banned just yet since I would contend that Matt Vinc and his nearly perfect angles is the key to making this work. Put another goalie in there and do you have the same success? I am not sure. On the reverse side, if every teams starts using this strategy, how will that effect powerplay scoring? Overall, I could get behind a rule change that effects only the man-down scenario similar to how there's no icing for a penalty killing team in hockey.
Special thanks to MB, LS, CD and BC for their thoughts and opinions (which I borrowed) for this video.
Checking in the crease 2:05
@@kentbremner7828 that is legal when a defender is without the ball!
Not to mention you also take Bomberry out of the play by forcing him into the crease. He cant touch the ball until the next pass, so that might free up a D
I call it the Filipino Weekend Basketball League Defence
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I would suggest a "must be moving through the crease" rule. Defenders cannot stand still while in the crease and, if they are in there, then they must be moving towards getting out. First offence = a warning and fresh shot clock for the O. Second offence = 2 minute penalty.
That would be an interesting concept. I kind of like that idea and solves for the problem of guarding somebody behind the cage
second this, good idea
Any team can do it, the Bandits are just more effective at it, partially because of their will to win and also because it compliments the way vinc plays. Looking forward to your videos when the Bandits win their third straight title next year.
This video isn’t a shot at the bandits - it’s for the good of lacrosse… as explained in the video :)
@BoxLacrosseBreakdown I think it is good for lacrosse. The fact that it neutralized torontos offense proves that. Toronto has a bunch of soft forwards who like to stand back and shoot, unwilling or able to cut or get hit in the mouth. Ironically enough, guys like Nanticoke and Frasier would be able to defeat this defense, but they play for the good guys!
@@bflogeno12 what are your thoughts on All four of Toronto Rock’s PK defensemen piled in the crease? Then to take it a step further, all 5 Defensemen piled in the crease on your 5v5 possessions?
@BoxLacrosseBreakdown again nanticoke, fraser, even dhane and bryne would be willing to crash down and break it up.
@@bflogeno12 you’re missing the point 🙄
This is exactly what Ive been thinking about, a rule similar to basketball, I feel like a time limit wouldn’t really work because of behind the net defense but definitely a cap on the number of defenders in the crease
@@bulldoge926 yeah that’s the only issue… behind the net defence. Maybe anything above cage is not allowed? Idk
I don’t think you need to make a rule. I think that offensive players need to be more A-holes. If they want to sit there start ringing shots off of them
Hahaah I mentioned this in my first video
i’m very new to lacrosse, i am mostly a basketball fan, there should either be a limit of people in the crease or a 5 seconds jn the paint sort of thing.
Agreed
I genuinely didn't know you played in the NLL LMAO I thought you were just smart
@@c0ntraiL_yt don’t get me wrong, I’m still dumb but yes I did play in the NLL
I think you're overreacting. There is no reason for a team to pile in the crease like that. It is more detrimental than beneficial. I wouldn't let a team just fire as many open shots at the net as they want simply because I want to pile in the crease. If the league wants to limit the guys in the crease anyway that is fine, but I see a rule that would be hard to enforce because the refs have to juggle so much anyway.
I disagree, I think it’s very doable and is 100% necessary for the good of lacrosse but understand your point of view
I mean, you only showing one play in one game do year around stats with this and see if it's actually effective as you think, it's not like those players want to stand in front of a shot at
That was one of the only plays I’d seen someone hit a different defender in the crease. These players 1000% want to stand in front of the shot, can tell you that for sure
Should just be a rule that you have to be playing defense or offense. Can't just screen the goalie regardless of your position. Both are stupid and both can easily be solved by ref judgement at the professional level. Adding complexity adds complexity. Not necessary.
Lol, I was wondering if you were gonna make this video and I was thinking of your last video while I was watching the finals. Honestly, I can see a lot of arguments for and against this strategy. Like I said on your video last year, this is clearly a "for playoffs" only strategy since I do not think that it can be maintained for an entire season because it relies on the d-guy's willingness to soak shots in volume. As a d-player, I appreciate how effective this is but as spectator, it's utterly aggravating to watch Dawson and Priolo stand pinned to the pipes in the crease with their sticks down in the five hole waiting to get hit. I can see the argument for it as "good defense", but I am just not sure it is overall good for the game. For instance, what happens when offensive players are told to just start shelling the defenseman's knees and legs if they are going to stand there like that? Now, I am not sure if it should be banned just yet since I would contend that Matt Vinc and his nearly perfect angles is the key to making this work. Put another goalie in there and do you have the same success? I am not sure. On the reverse side, if every teams starts using this strategy, how will that effect powerplay scoring? Overall, I could get behind a rule change that effects only the man-down scenario similar to how there's no icing for a penalty killing team in hockey.
Indoor box is such a stupid game.
Also, let them pile in front of the goal. Field players will only take so many shots off the shin
Why can’t indoor and outdoor just both be loved? Don’t be a hater hucky … I’ve played both and love both for different reasons.
But field doesn't have the big sexy goalies
Go Rush!
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