YES!!! I shot with these on a production a few weeks ago and I couldn't agree more! I love the look so much that I'm probably going to invest in a set. Your reviews are always so detailed and concise, thanks for all the effort you put in!
Great to see a company like Cooke embracing the changing video market. There are so many capable mirrorless cameras' these days, having access to native mount glass on the level that Cooke produces is incredible!
Another great review guys! These lenses look amazing, from the image they produce to the actual physical shape.
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To be honest if you said to me that this was shot on Sony FX3 or Panasonic S5XII with regular lenses I would belive it. Not that picture from cooke's looks bad. Just regular cheap gear got that good.
Would really like a comparison between the new Cooke SP3's and the DULENS Mini APO Primes. There both T2.4, small, light and have some character to them.
Wow, Cooke lenses for basically the price of the Sigma Cine primes is a very interesting proposition. The slow speed doesn't bother me, T2.4 is plenty specially on Full Frame, where a given field of view will have similar depth of field to a T1.6 on S35 - more than ultra primes or S4s. I think these will be a big success with FX3/6 users
I think it's a brilliant idea from cooke. Out of interest how well do you think the price point compares to other sets of "prosumer" cine lenses on the market?
I love that Cooke is making these. Modern, less expensive, large format cine lenses with character, something I haven't seen. One thing I'd love to see in these tests is what the edge glow looks like with a light just out of frame. I have a set of Sekor C's in part because they reminded me of Cooke's.
Thanks for the effort but it's hard to know it the footage looks as good because you're using the 8K Red or because of these lenses. Would have been good to shoot the same scenes with another lens to highlight the difference! Or use these on a Sony A7siii or something like that and compare with a Sony lens in comparison. Right now, this doesn't really help me know if these are worth the investment or not compared to another set of lenses.
“And hopefully some other mirrorless mount cameras coming on the horizon”. Oh I feel I can read between the lines on that statement. Sounds like the next couple of weeks are potentially going to be very interesting 🤞
Very nice. This remind me what I always thought the Zeiss Loxia should be. Cooke coming down to fight CP3, Schneider, DZO, and now also NiSi, Meike, Sirui, Viltrox, Laowa, SLRmagic, 7artisans....maybe the Canon FD, Nikon AiS, Contax, Olympus, Pentax, Minolta, and soviet lens with usd 3k rehouses.
As an industry 1st AC, I've used almost every lens Cooke makes many times, and the SP3's are just fantastic to work with. Tiny and with an extremely similar look. Obviously they don't offer PL versions to keep the price bracket lower, which is annoying for ownership, but they're stil great
@@creativegreatsvisuals In my opinion the SP3's look much better. Cooke s4 minis are generally not well-regarded with most people I work with for their optics
I usually don't look at cine lenses review as im more in the photography group of people, and i have to say that these lenses would be destroyed in any photo review by looking at their technical performance, specially given their price. I'm sure that they have their specific and subjective qualities, for a different target, which is film making, but, i have the feeling that the brand behind is setting much of their price tag, as soon as you look at parameters. Lately there are many new companies creating cheap cine lenses, and some of them are really capable, for a fraction of these prices. A bit of the "Leica world" mindset i see. Of course this is just my opinion, each one see the world subjectively, just felt i had to share my point of view this time 😅
I was use the Cooke's S series lens for my Indpendent feature film. it's so amazing experience. And now it's New dream comes!!!! small, light and almost same quality. and low prices compares before. Great!!!!
Jake, can you do a comparison with the SP3s and the Dulens mini primes. That would be a great video and with the same T stop and a similar-ish kind of look. Thank you!
If you're shooting super 35, I think the Fujinon MK zooms are a perfect pairing. On full frame, however, I don't know of any option that wouldn't skyrocket the budget while keeping a similar look. Maybe the Angenieux EZ with the FF extender?
Since Cooke has developed facilities to manufacture lenses for the broader cinema market, are you expecting that they will also introduce a set more akin to their modern lenses, such as the S4s?
Lenses dont affect colour unless talking about flares. No such thing as a warmer looking lens or a cooler looking lens because as soon as you do a white balance any tint a lens may have is gone. There is only detail and blur.@@ingsterschmingster5768
@@pichienko Yeah, that’s the company line…BUT they have many, many, many unique sets of cinema lenses, like more than Cooke, Zeiss and Angenieux COMBINED. Panavision SHOULD make one compact S35 spherical and one compact s35 anamorphic set of lenses for sale if only for posterity and to promote the company.
@@Imhotep397 Panavision doesn't manufacturer new lenses or new lens series as far as I am aware. It's all old old stock that's rented over and over since they won't sell any of it.
Love it, will probably be a go-to rental set for a lot of shorts. Also was that camera comment a hint at another cinema camera coming soon with a mount outside of RF or E? Perhaps ... L? I hope the rumors of a Blackmagic L mount camera are true.
They're really struggling to make the 18mm Panchro FF, once that comes is probably an indicator the sp3 version might be around the corner a year later...
These honestly look cool if you want a workable set that has some character for some doc/music/fashion work. The size/weight also opens up possibilities for solo ops with small gimbals etc. The price for the set is still probably edging more in the rental market though. I would find it hard to justify £18k on a 'character' set personally. Could work out if that is your go-to style I suppose. To put it into context, for the price of these you could get a set of Athenas, a Ranger Zoom and a Komodo-X...
I think that’s a big thing, the price is hard to justify, it’s competing in the same price range as a lot of nice lenses, like the sigma Cine primes, I love the “Cooke look” but as an owner op it makes more sense to go with something more neutral and with a PL mount. The biggest selling point for these is their name, they’re really cool but we have a really saturated market.
@@adriancrespo4274 agreed. However if they rent for £200 a day or under (likely based on their cost) then I’ll definitely give them a spin. I think they could become popular at rental houses to go out with FX3/6/9, Komodo, V-Raptor, C70 etc. Sometimes moving a big flight case of PL mount cookes is a bit much, so I definitely like how these could slip into those smaller shoots.
Holly crap that was my suggestion to Cooke 2 years ago for the indie filmmakers who can’t afford high end glass. I had a Q and A with a rep and gave a recommendation for small lightweight and fast lenses with an affordable price tag. I’m glad they took me up on it.
So CA, purple fringing, sharpness + contrast falloff as at the edges, distortion, lens breathing, flaring and slightly off color temps in the set are what people are gushing over? If you apply these aspects to any other newer Chinese lens manufacturer (where these cooks are made) would people be praising or fawning so heavily at them, especially at this price? I'm not saying they look bad or that I don't like them, but if you were just to listen to the description of the "performance" aspects without hearing the famous brand name I bet many would write them off immediately. Again, not saying I don't like them, just find the progression of having lenses with all these flaws back in the day and then companies making lenses that correct a lot of the "flaws" and now people want the flaws again at an inflated price with a better name. Brain fart babble over.
I don't know if it's grading or the lens, but nothing here looks good, it looks like my old vintage nikon sigma lenses. I can see if it's a grading issue but if this is the quality of cooke's then they're in for a rough ride at that price point compared to lenses of similar cost.
@@Superbustr I want a 40mm not a 43mm. Why is this such a difficult thing for lens makers to get, in the contact printing days 25mm was super popular, many lens sets from that time go from 25mm to 35mm because 25mm was a great normal lens. Then when Super 35mm came and the film gauge got bigger manufactures started making the 27mm. Then when we got full full frame digital all real production sets have a 40mm (expect for the Hugos because Leitz also can’t get their shit together). But go fuck yourself if you want a decent 40mm cinema lens that doesn’t cost at least 15000 bucks. You can use a 35mm or a 50mm! It’s not the same thing. 40mm is singular in its naturalism and versatility.
17:45 “some other mirrorless mount cinema cameras coming on the horizon” Yo is that a tease of some new cinema cameras you’re testing, that’ll be announced soon? Or are you just saying in general
Not anamorphic, wonder if they felt like they couldn't compete at those price points in the anamorphic market, otherwise seems like they could came out with something where their brand has more cache
From what I've seen, there's more character in the Panchros and the character isn't distracting. The Cooke S4's have a nice highlight rolloff while the Cooke Panchros do as well. But the overall handling and balance of sharpness vs soft in the Cooke Panchros Classics is noticeably better to me. I come from a painting/illustration/design (very professional) background and the difference is equal to how painters perceive a certain painter named John Singer Sargent. Now I'm going to get into some detail.. but it's important. You'll see why, I think. Sargent is heralded as the contemporary Van Dyke in terms of his lighting and use of balancing hard verse soft edges (sharpness vs softness). In other words, he was considered to be the most talented portraiture painter due to how he elegantly stated light and texture in paintings. Sargent did just that in his own time but made it more impressionistic, but not fully adopting impressionism entirely. Shortly after Sargent's glory days, other artists tried to do what Sargent had done with Van Dyke's elegance but also trying to imitate Sargent. It became clear that even though these imitators tried for decades to look like Sargent, mostly every trained painter/designer could see the difference, even though they look similar. When you look at a John Singer Sargent I feel feelings of amazement, and that's how I really know it's done by John Singer Sargent. When I see an imitator without anyone telling me that it's not one of Sargent's paintings, I certainly know because it doesn't make me feel wonder. Instead, I'm distracted by the crafting of the painting and certain mannerisms that these impersonators employ to achieve their imitations. This is what the difference feels like to me. The Panchro Classics give all the balance without me thinking, "wow, I love the softness". Instead, I think, "wow, I love the soul".. of whatever it captures through its lens. Characters feel more at peace, more graceful; there's a difference. In short, the Panchro Classics make me enjoy the etherealness and soul of characters and scenes it captures. The S4's distract me by enhancing effects in ways that make me look at the effect and not the subject or scene. Consumers need to understand that there is a difference between imitation and being wonderstruck. If at the end of the day I'm paying for an effect when buying a Cooke lens... I'm wasting my money. Give me the Cooke Panchros Classics and the Speed Panchros series 2 and 3. Anyways, these new "SP3 Cookes" are not it. Showing the quality of Cooke lenses for up close shots of a face is a pretty useless way to use the characteristics for a Panchro as well, I think. I don't even know why this video was released other than to have other people rent them out? I don't know. It's annoying to see these UA-cam reviews because they TRULY DO KNOW IM SURE. They know the lenses don't hold up but instead try and be overly optimistic about these lenses' performance. It's frustrating to see this so often. Anyways, yeah. Let's go make stuff.
@@Jmob4lifeThanks for the detailed insight. So you will still prefer the Cooke Panchros Classics Ser II/ Ser III over the Cooke SP3, because it seems to be more a imitation of the original?
@@ZEROFilms_ Yes! ABSOLUTELY. I have a hard time saying that the SP3 is even an imitation. I would say the SP4's are an imitation. The SP3's are so off the mark in terms of Cooke quality that I wouldn't even call them Cooke lenses. They literally look and perform like any old vintage glass. They just happen to have the Cooke logo.
Idk, I’m watching this on my iPhone and honestly can’t see anything magic about these lenses. I’ll watch it again later on a larger monitor to see if I’m missing something.
We rented these lenses for a short film we shot on the FX6 and were beyond thrilled with the quality. They were amazing to work with. We're looking into purchasing the set soon. Link to footage: ua-cam.com/video/s7gYQfiHsKA/v-deo.htmlsi=XcrzEh9u5dVMSm5q
This is nice. I would like to know if any manufacturer as any plan at all to come up with an RF full frame to RF S35 speed booster adapter. I can't imagine how many filmakers like mayself who own a Komodo and a C70 would be interested in this MAJOR innovation. Could ou please, please, please invesigate ? Cheers!
It's not possible to make an RF to RF Speedbooster... There needs to be a differece in flange depth to accomodate the optics. EF-RF for example is 44 to 20mm. 24mm of space.
EF to RF yes that works and probably is already available from Metabones. RF to RF no not possible. You would need to read up about flange distances to learn why optically it doesn't work.
I wish ARRI would have made the LPL even shorter, thus leaving RF/E/whatever in the photo market realms. PL/LPL is so much better compared to any photo style mount. They are just inappropriate to the realms of proper cine/video production, and won't really survive a set, at least the quality will degrade due to the wobble that appears in the mount throwing the shimming off
But whoa, these look really good. Certainly not for every market with this price point of an almost used Arri UP (which has plenty of options to buy), but really - I'd take them as my main lens set of an owner op any day over any other lens set out there. They just pop!
Literally not a single reason to buy these over the Meike solely down to the massive focus breathing on these and hardly any at all on the Meike lenses.
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Let us know what your favorite shot from the video was down below!
2:25-2:26! Question: Where at these new cooke lenses being made? Are they still made in the UK?
Are any of the shots in the video on the FX3?
I'm sorry but nerds should not be photographed. such a waste
these are all 1 degree away from be dumpy pedophiles
YES!!! I shot with these on a production a few weeks ago and I couldn't agree more! I love the look so much that I'm probably going to invest in a set. Your reviews are always so detailed and concise, thanks for all the effort you put in!
How much do they cost?
4500 dollars per lens, 21,375 for the set on bhp@@anirudhtd7193
Your work is godlike bro. If you’re investing in a set I’m gonna sell my car and do the same 🔥
@@anirudhtd719318K USD roughly
Great to see a company like Cooke embracing the changing video market. There are so many capable mirrorless cameras' these days, having access to native mount glass on the level that Cooke produces is incredible!
Another great review guys! These lenses look amazing, from the image they produce to the actual physical shape.
To be honest if you said to me that this was shot on Sony FX3 or Panasonic S5XII with regular lenses I would belive it. Not that picture from cooke's looks bad. Just regular cheap gear got that good.
Would really like a comparison between the new Cooke SP3's and the DULENS Mini APO Primes. There both T2.4, small, light and have some character to them.
Please add the Nisi Athena’s to the comparison too
Would be great to see this lenses on the new Blackmagic with the L mount :)
Here we go!!
You know people talk about the "Cooke" look but dang! The bokeh is perfect! 🔥
Wow, Cooke lenses for basically the price of the Sigma Cine primes is a very interesting proposition. The slow speed doesn't bother me, T2.4 is plenty specially on Full Frame, where a given field of view will have similar depth of field to a T1.6 on S35 - more than ultra primes or S4s. I think these will be a big success with FX3/6 users
zeiss cp.3's and a bunch of other budget cine lenses too...I think they simply crushed the prices of the competition lol
@@the180degreerule3and the vintage lens rehousing houses.
what I love about cooke lenses is no matter what shape the bokeh is, it's symmetrical.
I think it's a brilliant idea from cooke. Out of interest how well do you think the price point compares to other sets of "prosumer" cine lenses on the market?
would you please compare these with the dulens? similar focal lengths, same t stop.
I love that Cooke is making these. Modern, less expensive, large format cine lenses with character, something I haven't seen. One thing I'd love to see in these tests is what the edge glow looks like with a light just out of frame. I have a set of Sekor C's in part because they reminded me of Cooke's.
Very nice. I also would like to see them with a faster aperture but this shouldn't be a problem for who they're aimed at.
Thanks for the effort but it's hard to know it the footage looks as good because you're using the 8K Red or because of these lenses. Would have been good to shoot the same scenes with another lens to highlight the difference! Or use these on a Sony A7siii or something like that and compare with a Sony lens in comparison. Right now, this doesn't really help me know if these are worth the investment or not compared to another set of lenses.
pretty incredible. I want to see how they perform on the FX6
They breathe like a fish out of water! 😳 But I do love that cooke is getting competitive for the indy market.
Yes, that breathing is pretty ugly.
S4/i mini don’t breathe?
“And hopefully some other mirrorless mount cameras coming on the horizon”.
Oh I feel I can read between the lines on that statement. Sounds like the next couple of weeks are potentially going to be very interesting 🤞
*Prays in L-mount*
Very nice. This remind me what I always thought the Zeiss Loxia should be. Cooke coming down to fight CP3, Schneider, DZO, and now also NiSi, Meike, Sirui, Viltrox, Laowa, SLRmagic, 7artisans....maybe the Canon FD, Nikon AiS, Contax, Olympus, Pentax, Minolta, and soviet lens with usd 3k rehouses.
Rehousing is more like 6000$ per lens ;-)
Interesting, the rendering reminds me a lot of that of the Dulens APO MP lenses…
OMG!!!!! The shots are stunning, thanks for the great video
17:44 Cheeky hint at what to come at IBC end of next week. Told with a slight smile ;)
You think so?
I thought so too.
I know this would never happen but I wish Panavision would make a mini c/e series for mirrorless 🤞
Affordable Cooke glass at under 20K for the set. For us micro production, this is the dream.
I want those ! They look so awesome !!! I LOOOOOOVE the look you got with those.
Crazy! What effect on high priced vintage lenses such as Canon FD, Leica R etc. would you guys expect after this announcement? 🧐
God these look amazing. Any chance they’d make an 18mm? Or any wider lengths??
As an industry 1st AC, I've used almost every lens Cooke makes many times, and the SP3's are just fantastic to work with. Tiny and with an extremely similar look. Obviously they don't offer PL versions to keep the price bracket lower, which is annoying for ownership, but they're stil great
How do they compare to the Cooke mini s4/1?
@@creativegreatsvisuals In my opinion the SP3's look much better. Cooke s4 minis are generally not well-regarded with most people I work with for their optics
@@FreshSqueezedLightning why is that the minis look good but super 35 ..id imagine they don't breathe as much as the sp3s?
informative long form video lens sounds very useful Thanks CVP.
I usually don't look at cine lenses review as im more in the photography group of people, and i have to say that these lenses would be destroyed in any photo review by looking at their technical performance, specially given their price. I'm sure that they have their specific and subjective qualities, for a different target, which is film making, but, i have the feeling that the brand behind is setting much of their price tag, as soon as you look at parameters. Lately there are many new companies creating cheap cine lenses, and some of them are really capable, for a fraction of these prices. A bit of the "Leica world" mindset i see.
Of course this is just my opinion, each one see the world subjectively, just felt i had to share my point of view this time 😅
FACTS
I was use the Cooke's S series lens for my Indpendent feature film.
it's so amazing experience.
And now it's New dream comes!!!! small, light and almost same quality.
and low prices compares before.
Great!!!!
If you have them on hand, would really like to see a comparison with Panchro FF's on FF sensors like a v-raptor in 7k or fx6
Jake, can you do a comparison with the SP3s and the Dulens mini primes. That would be a great video and with the same T stop and a similar-ish kind of look. Thank you!
Looks to be a super cool set but it brings up the classic dilemma for documentatries. If you go with this as a set what do you pair as the zooms?
If you're shooting super 35, I think the Fujinon MK zooms are a perfect pairing. On full frame, however, I don't know of any option that wouldn't skyrocket the budget while keeping a similar look. Maybe the Angenieux EZ with the FF extender?
@@gabrielmachadobsb that’s a good shout thank you
I've used Angenieux zooms (Optimos usually) with Cooke S4s and they cut together nicely. Not sure about Panchros specifically.
Since Cooke has developed facilities to manufacture lenses for the broader cinema market, are you expecting that they will also introduce a set more akin to their modern lenses, such as the S4s?
I love the test footage shot at Loxwood Joust, it looks great!
They should have made some "SP3" anamorphics
These look great!
As usual a complete and detailed review - bravo! How did you like them vs your beloved (and mine) Otus?
Cool Cooke Set. Now it is not necessary anymore to kill your ENTIRE retirement savings 😂
Cooke feeling the pain from everyone buying autofocus lenses.
Look at the skincolor though
Lenses dont affect colour unless talking about flares. No such thing as a warmer looking lens or a cooler looking lens because as soon as you do a white balance any tint a lens may have is gone. There is only detail and blur.@@ingsterschmingster5768
@@ingsterschmingster5768what are your thoughts on how the sp3s capture skin color?
Just a quarter of your retirement.
I only wish Panavision would do something similar.
Panavision will not sell their lenses
@@pichienko Yeah, that’s the company line…BUT they have many, many, many unique sets of cinema lenses, like more than Cooke, Zeiss and Angenieux COMBINED.
Panavision SHOULD make one compact S35 spherical and one compact s35 anamorphic set of lenses for sale if only for posterity and to promote the company.
@@Imhotep397 Panavision doesn't manufacturer new lenses or new lens series as far as I am aware. It's all old old stock that's rented over and over since they won't sell any of it.
Me: OMG Amazing, they look like I can afford them..
* Check Price *
Ok, nevermind.
S4 minis go for around £4000 second hand though
But they’re 2.8 not 2.4
@@petero1068and super 35 at that
@@zebius4157 exactly. SP3 covers both
Gotta say, I prefer the Dulens Minis 😅
Love it, will probably be a go-to rental set for a lot of shorts. Also was that camera comment a hint at another cinema camera coming soon with a mount outside of RF or E? Perhaps ... L? I hope the rumors of a Blackmagic L mount camera are true.
I'd bet on it being about a L mount camera
They look so nice. Do you know if there are plans for any wider length than 25mm?
They haven't mentioned but I would love to see a wider focal length too! Jake
They're really struggling to make the 18mm Panchro FF, once that comes is probably an indicator the sp3 version might be around the corner a year later...
For S35 sensors a wider option would be very handy :-)
These honestly look cool if you want a workable set that has some character for some doc/music/fashion work. The size/weight also opens up possibilities for solo ops with small gimbals etc. The price for the set is still probably edging more in the rental market though. I would find it hard to justify £18k on a 'character' set personally. Could work out if that is your go-to style I suppose.
To put it into context, for the price of these you could get a set of Athenas, a Ranger Zoom and a Komodo-X...
I think that’s a big thing, the price is hard to justify, it’s competing in the same price range as a lot of nice lenses, like the sigma Cine primes, I love the “Cooke look” but as an owner op it makes more sense to go with something more neutral and with a PL mount.
The biggest selling point for these is their name, they’re really cool but we have a really saturated market.
@@adriancrespo4274 agreed. However if they rent for £200 a day or under (likely based on their cost) then I’ll definitely give them a spin. I think they could become popular at rental houses to go out with FX3/6/9, Komodo, V-Raptor, C70 etc. Sometimes moving a big flight case of PL mount cookes is a bit much, so I definitely like how these could slip into those smaller shoots.
These look damn good.
These breathe quite a bit more than most Cooke lenses
that medieval festival footage would have looked way nicer if it hadnt all been shot in 60 but played at normal speed
Do you need an adapter to mount on Leica M Cameras
Very nice, Any news of a wide angle?
I feel like the top gun cockpit camera could have inspired this
Where are they made? Not at Cooke's place in Leicester, I know. So where?
So, one-third the price of a Panchro/i Classic FF? That's quite amazing.
I wonder.. if this is in LIGHT of some LABS recreating the classic SPII LENSes
For $2k that’s not a bad deal. I actually want these set of lenses
OMG! baby Cooke!! This is not reasonable, but reasonable
This was a great presentation, like everything you all do! Quick Question: Do you know which M mount is compatible with the Alexa 35?
Any M mount
Any support for metadata? Either with lens contacts or a port for Cooke /I data?
Afraid not. Jake
Why its similiar style with most vintage lens?
Holly crap that was my suggestion to Cooke 2 years ago for the indie filmmakers who can’t afford high end glass. I had a Q and A with a rep and gave a recommendation for small lightweight and fast lenses with an affordable price tag. I’m glad they took me up on it.
I like to see E mount as default
It is
@@Dezdirectz yes, I like that. Lots of E mount users out there.
So CA, purple fringing, sharpness + contrast falloff as at the edges, distortion, lens breathing, flaring and slightly off color temps in the set are what people are gushing over? If you apply these aspects to any other newer Chinese lens manufacturer (where these cooks are made) would people be praising or fawning so heavily at them, especially at this price? I'm not saying they look bad or that I don't like them, but if you were just to listen to the description of the "performance" aspects without hearing the famous brand name I bet many would write them off immediately. Again, not saying I don't like them, just find the progression of having lenses with all these flaws back in the day and then companies making lenses that correct a lot of the "flaws" and now people want the flaws again at an inflated price with a better name. Brain fart babble over.
You are completely right.
Agreed, these lenses are an over priced joke.
Let them cooke now.. 🔥
I don't know if it's grading or the lens, but nothing here looks good, it looks like my old vintage nikon sigma lenses. I can see if it's a grading issue but if this is the quality of cooke's then they're in for a rough ride at that price point compared to lenses of similar cost.
Cooke are going to sell a ton of these.
Stunning looking image at an affordable price. Shame they don't do an X-Mount 😞
They’re coming out with Leica M mount attachment, and M mount is adaptable to Fuji X. You’re welcome.
Doesn't SP3 stand for Speed Pancho 3 ???
Saving starts today.
Question, where are the SP3 manufactured?
China I believe and then QC'd and finished in the UK. Jake
Really nice.
And again no 40mm! What are they thinking? I was hoping that at least a real cine lens company would make one of the most important focal lengths.
Get the Dulens then
@@Apatura123 they have a 40mm?
@@Apatura123 Dulens?
@@Superbustr I want a 40mm not a 43mm. Why is this such a difficult thing for lens makers to get, in the contact printing days 25mm was super popular, many lens sets from that time go from 25mm to 35mm because 25mm was a great normal lens. Then when Super 35mm came and the film gauge got bigger manufactures started making the 27mm. Then when we got full full frame digital all real production sets have a 40mm (expect for the Hugos because Leitz also can’t get their shit together). But go fuck yourself if you want a decent 40mm cinema lens that doesn’t cost at least 15000 bucks. You can use a 35mm or a 50mm! It’s not the same thing. 40mm is singular in its naturalism and versatility.
@@VariTimo You're totally right man.
I miss my vintage Speed Panchros so much… but now I don’t have too with this set. Sold!!
There is dirt on the lens at 1:03
17:45 “some other mirrorless mount cinema cameras coming on the horizon”
Yo is that a tease of some new cinema cameras you’re testing, that’ll be announced soon? Or are you just saying in general
All nice but I really don't see anything fantastic about them. It's hard to determine on UA-cam also. You all were manually focusing?
Anyone know if these are compatible with AF on Sony fx6's or 9's? I'm guessing no. Look tasty tho
No they are fully manual. Jake
Not anamorphic, wonder if they felt like they couldn't compete at those price points in the anamorphic market, otherwise seems like they could came out with something where their brand has more cache
How different are Cooke Panchros compared to Cooke S4s ?
From what I've seen, there's more character in the Panchros and the character isn't distracting. The Cooke S4's have a nice highlight rolloff while the Cooke Panchros do as well. But the overall handling and balance of sharpness vs soft in the Cooke Panchros Classics is noticeably better to me. I come from a painting/illustration/design (very professional) background and the difference is equal to how painters perceive a certain painter named John Singer Sargent.
Now I'm going to get into some detail.. but it's important. You'll see why, I think.
Sargent is heralded as the contemporary Van Dyke in terms of his lighting and use of balancing hard verse soft edges (sharpness vs softness). In other words, he was considered to be the most talented portraiture painter due to how he elegantly stated light and texture in paintings. Sargent did just that in his own time but made it more impressionistic, but not fully adopting impressionism entirely. Shortly after Sargent's glory days, other artists tried to do what Sargent had done with Van Dyke's elegance but also trying to imitate Sargent. It became clear that even though these imitators tried for decades to look like Sargent, mostly every trained painter/designer could see the difference, even though they look similar. When you look at a John Singer Sargent I feel feelings of amazement, and that's how I really know it's done by John Singer Sargent. When I see an imitator without anyone telling me that it's not one of Sargent's paintings, I certainly know because it doesn't make me feel wonder. Instead, I'm distracted by the crafting of the painting and certain mannerisms that these impersonators employ to achieve their imitations. This is what the difference feels like to me. The Panchro Classics give all the balance without me thinking, "wow, I love the softness". Instead, I think, "wow, I love the soul".. of whatever it captures through its lens. Characters feel more at peace, more graceful; there's a difference.
In short, the Panchro Classics make me enjoy the etherealness and soul of characters and scenes it captures. The S4's distract me by enhancing effects in ways that make me look at the effect and not the subject or scene. Consumers need to understand that there is a difference between imitation and being wonderstruck. If at the end of the day I'm paying for an effect when buying a Cooke lens... I'm wasting my money. Give me the Cooke Panchros Classics and the Speed Panchros series 2 and 3.
Anyways, these new "SP3 Cookes" are not it. Showing the quality of Cooke lenses for up close shots of a face is a pretty useless way to use the characteristics for a Panchro as well, I think. I don't even know why this video was released other than to have other people rent them out? I don't know. It's annoying to see these UA-cam reviews because they TRULY DO KNOW IM SURE. They know the lenses don't hold up but instead try and be overly optimistic about these lenses' performance. It's frustrating to see this so often.
Anyways, yeah. Let's go make stuff.
@@Jmob4lifeThanks for the detailed insight. So you will still prefer the Cooke Panchros Classics Ser II/ Ser III over the Cooke SP3, because it seems to be more a imitation of the original?
@@ZEROFilms_ Yes! ABSOLUTELY. I have a hard time saying that the SP3 is even an imitation. I would say the SP4's are an imitation. The SP3's are so off the mark in terms of Cooke quality that I wouldn't even call them Cooke lenses. They literally look and perform like any old vintage glass. They just happen to have the Cooke logo.
@@Jmob4lifeThat‘s insane. Thanks for the infos mate.
Idk, I’m watching this on my iPhone and honestly can’t see anything magic about these lenses. I’ll watch it again later on a larger monitor to see if I’m missing something.
Glad it’s not just me 😮💨
Jaw Dropping.
We rented these lenses for a short film we shot on the FX6 and were beyond thrilled with the quality. They were amazing to work with. We're looking into purchasing the set soon. Link to footage: ua-cam.com/video/s7gYQfiHsKA/v-deo.htmlsi=XcrzEh9u5dVMSm5q
Holy Tiny
Not even Cooke will do a 40mm these days huh 😢.
Yeah that drives me crazy, best focal length for cinema.
Try these on a Ronin 4d
Oh god. There goes my future house.
You can buy a house for that price?! IN THIS ECONOMY!?
The colors look great😊👍 but the breathing looks like it’s a lot.😕
G Master, now you are second place !
This is nice. I would like to know if any manufacturer as any plan at all to come up with an RF full frame to RF S35 speed booster adapter. I can't imagine how many filmakers like mayself who own a Komodo and a C70 would be interested in this MAJOR innovation. Could ou please, please, please invesigate ? Cheers!
It's not possible to make an RF to RF Speedbooster... There needs to be a differece in flange depth to accomodate the optics. EF-RF for example is 44 to 20mm. 24mm of space.
You demand the impossible ;-)
Would you like to be able to fly as well?
EF to RF yes that works and probably is already available from Metabones. RF to RF no not possible. You would need to read up about flange distances to learn why optically it doesn't work.
Nice!
Cinemaaaaaa 😂
Cooke could have made this lens alot faster. They didn't just so that they won't cannibilize their professional line up.which is sad.
this small cooks just looks sharp dose not carry those cooks looks in it.
Would like to see them without the polar pros 🥲
Need Z mounts
I wish ARRI would have made the LPL even shorter, thus leaving RF/E/whatever in the photo market realms. PL/LPL is so much better compared to any photo style mount. They are just inappropriate to the realms of proper cine/video production, and won't really survive a set, at least the quality will degrade due to the wobble that appears in the mount throwing the shimming off
But whoa, these look really good. Certainly not for every market with this price point of an almost used Arri UP (which has plenty of options to buy), but really - I'd take them as my main lens set of an owner op any day over any other lens set out there. They just pop!
Literally not a single reason to buy these over the Meike solely down to the massive focus breathing on these and hardly any at all on the Meike lenses.
Real shame about that focus breathing, that's definitely more than 'some'. Makes focus pulls real ugly.