31 years working around hazardous chemicals and not one injury. Why? Because the company I worked for "required" SCBA be worn at all times when working in direct contact with hoses, cylinders, valves, etc or in close proximity of stored chemicals. Many times small releases of dangerous chemicals observed while working on equipment but because personnel were wearing their PPE, no injuries resulted. Poor work practices can be blamed for this man's death.
what is the general procedue if you wer ethe guy who got spray on face and chest while wearing your SCBA. for I guess decontamination. You guys have a room where there is a decontamination product and shower? ect.
@@EmilianButoi2 Safety showers present in all locations immediately adjacent to the area, most within a few yards, for immediate relief. Decontamination was located at our safety trailer in the facility.
That's exactly how it should be; glad to hear at least some companies are responsible. There's no just excuse not to with something like phosgene. It's particularly frustrating in this case, since DuPont's PSRs explicitly pointed that the hoses for phosgene were prone to failure, among other safety flaws. In my opinion, one management knew that and chose to do nothing, it became criminal negligence rather than poor work practice.
I bet they spent a lot of time discussing how to portray it. Can't be easy to figure out how you animate somebody dying without messing up the serious, neutral tone. Just a little too melodramatic and it becomes impossible to take the previous three minutes seriously.
Working with a deadly WWI chemical weapon apparently did not require an enclosed shed, phosgene scrubbers, or PPE. All because some corporate bozos thought spending money on safety might create a bad precedent
An enclosed shed might be counterproductive as if it is not paired with proper ventilation and and air filtering systems it would lead to increased concentration of the toxicological agent, compared with direcf dilution in the atmosphere.
I want to point out that they used a generic "Kamaz" truck model in this animation. The budget must not have been there so long ago. Really contrasts with the high quality animations these days
Don't be around an old air conditioner if its in a fire r-12 and 22 Freon will turn into phosgene gas new someone who died he was just observing a restaurant fire
Fun fact: Ignited Refrigerant turns into Phosgene. If anyone here has ever changed a compressor in a Condenser you know what I’m talking about. You get a huff of that shit and fuckin can’t breath lol
"....purchased phosgene in 1-ton cylinders from an outside company" **shows video reenactment of truck with 15 cylinders rolling into the plant** Is this for real? Did they actually drive a fucking truck with 15 tons of phosgene on public roads!?!?!
Having also experienced problems with one of my hoses, I, Ron Paul, endorse this video animation. Also, phosgene may have been sprayed upon my head and chest. Be advised.
If they required workers to wear self contained breathing apparatus when they worked around dangerous gases or chemicals this could’ve easily been avoided.
The great majority of phosgene is used in the production of isocyanates, the most important being toluene diisocyanate (TDI) and methylene diphenyl diisocyanate (MDI). These two isocyanates are precursors to polyurethanes. These are the building blocks to make plastic.
Should have been wearing a gas mask when anywhere near that shed. Body body positive pressure suit introduced after this incident was probably bit too much.
I would be much more likely to create a restricted area for PPE. I get nervous about administrative controls on these systems. You are too reliant on compliance.
I appreciate the knowledge as much as the animations to these videos. That ending was a nice way to depict a victim's death while being sensitive to the family. Many thumbs up!
Initially at time of exposure except for the smell (freshly moven hay)and some irritation nothing is noticed.The phosgene that entered the lungs gradually reacts with the tissues and there is oedema(water formation), the lungs literally drown in the water and cause asphyxiation in a few hours time some time may be 8 hrs. If the water is drained out and certain medicines administered there is fair chance of survival although with impaired lungs.
The scary part being, if you can smell it..then you've already received a dose which could be lethal. So if you work with phosgene and you smell it, you may as well start writing your goodbye letters, make any phone calls to loved ones, because within 24-48 hours you won't be able to anymore
According to this CSB animation, the phosgene that killed an American worker that day was delivered in a 1970s Soviet Kamaz K1 truck. The brand name is clearly visible in cyrillic letters on the truck’s front fascia if you freeze the frame at 0:13.
Love these videos. Need to substitute the word accident for incident though. The word accident minimises and takes attention away from the gross negligence shown by companies in most of these videos. As for this one... something as basic as PPE would have saved this operator's life.
hmmmm DuPont merged with Dow. Dow owns Union Carbide Union Carbide India Limited (which was independent, but Carbide had a 50% share) had an incident with methyl isocyanate which released it into a town. methyl isocyanate was a derivative of phosgene. Conclusion: any chemical company will be careless with phosgene as long as it relates to the legacy of said company
Just amazing how much of an incredible coincidence it was the worker just happened to walk by the hose the very moment it burst! the odds are extremely against that even in 24 hours for the 2 seconds someone walked near the hose it happened to burst then.
I had a tree fall onto my car in a 15 minute window that I ran to the corner store and back. The tree fell as I was slowing down to pull back home into my driveway, had I not slowed down I would have certainly been killed. And this was at 2 in the morning.
My dad was driving on the California bridge when it collapsed I think the earthquake in the 70s, he’d gotten off just minutes before all those people got crushed. Coincidences and luck doesn’t Exist, God does.
Evan W, so you're saying God protects the middle class/lower class and rich people? People that have had nice fun long lives already? What about the kids dying for a drop of water? The kids getting brutally raped and murdered? Women getting raped and murdered? Men slicing eachothers necks? People getting a sudden onset of cancer and dying? "God" seems to exist for people that have had something they believe to be "phew lucky" happen to them. Then the excuse is "God works in mysterious ways" is created to defend your "god". It Wasn't God, it was physics. There were a LOT of people that "just" drove off the bridge before it collapsed, your dad just so happened to be one of them. There was a LOT of people that dodged falling trees, there are videos online. It wasn't God, it was just what happened. Physics is all there is, there are 7.5 Billion of us - coincidences WILL occur.
SAC Have you ever done something that has harmed someone else in your life? That person that you have harmed, might be thinking, 'Why did God allow you to do that to me?"
These were very similar to the ClF3:Neon cylinders i used at a wafer fab facility. The tanks had a regulator and the product was used at low pressure. Was regulated to 0.5PSIG to feed the machine and used at subatmospheric pressures in the cleaning chamber. Etches it all away to mirror finish bare silicon. ❤
I dont understand the logic behind being too stupid and too greedy to replace the cost of a tiny hose VS the cost of paying for an employee's death, and the cost of hefty criminal charges, WHICH IN THE END IS WHAT THEY DESERVE!
Im wondering if anyone heard a strange guitar riff in the background when they shut the valve without purging it, or when the worker didn't feel the need to use PPE going into a poison gas pit?
_doopt doopt_ An alarm sounded ... _squeet squeet_ A worker closed and opened valves ... _klooch klurgle_ The steel lines were purged with nitrogen ... _zannnkkkk_ The liquid phosgene warmed up ...
agreed, but any report of a malfunction of the equipment should be dealt with immediately and thoroughly with such a toxic chemical. if the flow issue were corrected the day before as it should have been, this would not have happened. someone is responsible and they deserved what was coming to them.
Been inside a large phosgene unit plant A Dow chemical in Freeport, Tx the entire unit was enclosed. You had to enter thru a air lock and wear SCBA. Nasty, nasty stuff.
"Gas, Gas! Quick boys! An ecstasy of fumbling, fitting the clumsy helmets just it time. But still someone was still yelling out and stumbling, and floundering like a man in fire or lime. Dim through the misty panes and thick green light, i saw him drowning. In all my dreams before my helpless sight, he plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. if in some smothering dreams you too could pace behind the wagon that we flung him in, and watch his white eyes writhing in his face, his hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin. If you could hear at every jolt, the blood come gargling from the froth corrupted lungs, obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud, of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues. My friend, you would not tell with suck high zest, to children ardent for some desperate glory, the old lie, Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori." both chlorine and phosgene had similar symptoms. however phosgene took a day or so to start showing symptons but was more deadly, accounting for up to 85% of all gas deaths in ww1 by some accounts.
after re reading the poem. im almost 100% thats its about chlorine. Phosgene's symptoms are slow to appear but Chlorine's are instant as alluded to in the poem. Tear gas was not as deadly and mustard gas was rarely fatal and was also used mainly later after the supposed date the poem was written.
Chlorinated brake cleaner (which I believe is the non-flammable kind) contains tetrachloroethylene, which, when exposed to high heat like welding, devolves into phosgene gas. 0/10, not recommended .
31 years working around hazardous chemicals and not one injury. Why? Because the company I worked for "required" SCBA be worn at all times when working in direct contact with hoses, cylinders, valves, etc or in close proximity of stored chemicals. Many times small releases of dangerous chemicals observed while working on equipment but because personnel were wearing their PPE, no injuries resulted. Poor work practices can be blamed for this man's death.
Thats a hell of a safty record good company, and good workers.
what is the general procedue if you wer ethe guy who got spray on face and chest while wearing your SCBA. for I guess decontamination. You guys have a room where there is a decontamination product and shower? ect.
@@EmilianButoi2 Safety showers present in all locations immediately adjacent to the area, most within a few yards, for immediate relief. Decontamination was located at our safety trailer in the facility.
@@EmilianButoi2 I might add also that these showers dumped huge amounts of water.
That's exactly how it should be; glad to hear at least some companies are responsible. There's no just excuse not to with something like phosgene. It's particularly frustrating in this case, since DuPont's PSRs explicitly pointed that the hoses for phosgene were prone to failure, among other safety flaws. In my opinion, one management knew that and chose to do nothing, it became criminal negligence rather than poor work practice.
That worker must have been terrified. Phosgene leaves you feeling fine, for a few hours, but your death is inevitable.
It's similar to a toxicity latency period.
Sounds like trying to get out of bed for work
That closing depiction of the worker having passed away is cool, so simple and sudden
I bet they spent a lot of time discussing how to portray it. Can't be easy to figure out how you animate somebody dying without messing up the serious, neutral tone. Just a little too melodramatic and it becomes impossible to take the previous three minutes seriously.
They just remind you that your death is a statistic...ceaselessly.
Wow I didn’t even catch his disappearance until you pointed it out. Indeed very tastefully done.
I noticed it too. Subtle but yet shocking
I wanted him to portray him cough out rotten lung tissues
These are supposed to be safety videos, but I’m addicted to them.
This video is incomplete without recommendations for preventing a recurrence
yes...the investigation videos are separate. this is just the animation of the incident. you can tell by the video titles.
The editing on that wipe at 3:02 was good.
I’m obsessed with the unnecessarily dramatic music. I get that it’s thematically appropriate and all but for an educational animation it cracks me up
the victim disappearing behind steel beam is awesome edit
that worker that got sprayed was in the wrong place in the wrong time
Working with a deadly WWI chemical weapon apparently did not require an enclosed shed, phosgene scrubbers, or PPE. All because some corporate bozos thought spending money on safety might create a bad precedent
An enclosed shed might be counterproductive as if it is not paired with proper ventilation and and air filtering systems it would lead to increased concentration of the toxicological agent, compared with direcf dilution in the atmosphere.
What a coincidence! I'm building my very own Phosgene Shed in my back yard!
Why do we need phosgene:
Fuck pesticides and plastic:
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I want to point out that they used a generic "Kamaz" truck model in this animation. The budget must not have been there so long ago. Really contrasts with the high quality animations these days
does it matter though?
Sing along with me: "Phooooos-gene!....A little dab'll do ya!"
If Phosgene had a colour it would be yellow.
Why no PPE near the tanks? Sad people got hurt and one died
Wasn't there a longer version of this video that covered the analysis of the incident
Right there at the top of Union Carbide Summit. 🌄
Totally unrelated to the incident itself - just the video - do you really use Kamaz trucksin the US? ;-)
I'm sure the question has been asked, but I'm looking to recreate scenes that look like yours. What software was used to make these animations?
I love these videos
This gas doesn't show symptoms until hours later . It was used during the first ww as a weapon .
Don't be around an old air conditioner if its in a fire r-12 and 22 Freon will turn into phosgene gas new someone who died he was just observing a restaurant fire
People near Ohio derailment take note...when vinyl chloride burns isn't this what is released to the atmosphere!!????
no antidote would have resulted in a brutal death just like radiation
This is why I won’t work at a chemical plant . Money comes before safety & the license issuing needs to be stopped & completely updated.
Never ever turn your back on the phosgene
Fun fact: Ignited Refrigerant turns into Phosgene. If anyone here has ever changed a compressor in a Condenser you know what I’m talking about. You get a huff of that shit and fuckin can’t breath lol
Purge your hoses people
"....purchased phosgene in 1-ton cylinders from an outside company"
**shows video reenactment of truck with 15 cylinders rolling into the plant**
Is this for real? Did they actually drive a fucking truck with 15 tons of phosgene on public roads!?!?!
Yes. Yes they did. And do.
@@kalkuttadrop6371 In the USA? This cant be real, imagine a truckload of WW1 gas like that having an accident and venting near a town!
@@infectionsman Chlorine trains have been involved in several fatal accidents, most notably San Antonio and Graniteville. So it happens
@@kalkuttadrop6371 Interesting info, I will look into it.
@@infectionsman so
Almost like we shouldnt be spraying these chemicals all over our food
Nobody sprays phosgene on food
Who came here from that one yt short
What if we kissed in the phosgene shed
Holy crap why is the blue guy jacked 1:11.
You are a good observer
Yes ,he shouldn't have been in blue jacket
I can't stop saying Phosgene
hey at least it was quick
i heard about this one guy who survived phosgene only to be bike locked by the neck to a pole in a basement
Pretty sure that was phosphine.
Russian KAMAZ)
Having also experienced problems with one of my hoses, I, Ron Paul, endorse this video animation.
Also, phosgene may have been sprayed upon my head and chest. Be advised.
"The phosgene was stored in a facility known as a phosgene shed."
Sulfuric acid hut.
mustard gas village
Fluorine lean-to.
Sarin Tent?
The tabun shack
If they required workers to wear self contained breathing apparatus when they worked around dangerous gases or chemicals this could’ve easily been avoided.
You want to cut into the CEO’s profits? You would not be employed long with suggestions like that. 🤔
@@chrisatkins7959 You would be out of business.
@@Ryan-zv3oschemical masks aren't that much
Phosgene!? Like WWI-poison-gas-warfare phosgene?
Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyup.
I spat my coffee after reading that
Ikr what they need phosgene for?
@@rebeccaluis1223 I'd hazard a guess at pesticide intermediates.
The great majority of phosgene is used in the production of isocyanates, the most important being toluene diisocyanate (TDI) and methylene diphenyl diisocyanate (MDI). These two isocyanates are precursors to polyurethanes. These are the building blocks to make plastic.
Why wasn't he wearing a respirator? Seriously you should always expect things to go wrong when working with dangerous chemicals.
Should have been wearing a gas mask when anywhere near that shed. Body body positive pressure suit introduced after this incident was probably bit too much.
I would be much more likely to create a restricted area for PPE. I get nervous about administrative controls on these systems. You are too reliant on compliance.
Because Dupont is a soulless corporation that doesn’t care about their employees health and safety at all
I appreciate the knowledge as much as the animations to these videos. That ending was a nice way to depict a victim's death while being sensitive to the family. Many thumbs up!
Initially at time of exposure except for the smell (freshly moven hay)and some irritation nothing is noticed.The phosgene that entered the lungs gradually reacts with the tissues and there is oedema(water formation), the lungs literally drown in the water and cause asphyxiation in a few hours time some time may be 8 hrs. If the water is drained out and certain medicines administered there is fair chance of survival although with impaired lungs.
mohunta bullshit
@@ColKlink-yh1ro Uneducated mountain hicks need not comment here
CORONA VIRUS
The scary part being, if you can smell it..then you've already received a dose which could be lethal.
So if you work with phosgene and you smell it, you may as well start writing your goodbye letters, make any phone calls to loved ones, because within 24-48 hours you won't be able to anymore
@Osel Somar unbelievable
For future viewers - look up "2023 Ohio Train Derailment phosgene".
I bet there's gonna be some interesting articles in the coming years.
My dad always said: „You can’t trust them hose my son!“ Now I understand what he meant. Always wear your PPE!
According to this CSB animation, the phosgene that killed an American worker that day was delivered in a 1970s Soviet Kamaz K1 truck. The brand name is clearly visible in cyrillic letters on the truck’s front fascia if you freeze the frame at 0:13.
Love these videos. Need to substitute the word accident for incident though. The word accident minimises and takes attention away from the gross negligence shown by companies in most of these videos.
As for this one... something as basic as PPE would have saved this operator's life.
You had me at phosgene.
It’s unbelievable to me that this is all just open to the atmosphere. There should be many many more layers of protection here.
isn't that to reduce concentrations for workers if there is a leak
RIP OHIO
hmmmm
DuPont merged with Dow.
Dow owns Union Carbide
Union Carbide India Limited (which was independent, but Carbide had a 50% share) had an incident with methyl isocyanate which released it into a town.
methyl isocyanate was a derivative of phosgene.
Conclusion:
any chemical company will be careless with phosgene as long as it relates to the legacy of said company
Well, that's what I'd call a toxic workplace environment.
hazmat suits and self contained full head breathing apparatus should have been used
I get it, it costs money and people are expendable
Just amazing how much of an incredible coincidence it was the worker just happened to walk by the hose the very moment it burst! the odds are extremely against that even in 24 hours for the 2 seconds someone walked near the hose it happened to burst then.
I had a tree fall onto my car in a 15 minute window that I ran to the corner store and back. The tree fell as I was slowing down to pull back home into my driveway, had I not slowed down I would have certainly been killed. And this was at 2 in the morning.
My dad was driving on the California bridge when it collapsed I think the earthquake in the 70s, he’d gotten off just minutes before all those people got crushed. Coincidences and luck doesn’t Exist, God does.
Evan W, so you're saying God protects the middle class/lower class and rich people? People that have had nice fun long lives already?
What about the kids dying for a drop of water? The kids getting brutally raped and murdered? Women getting raped and murdered? Men slicing eachothers necks? People getting a sudden onset of cancer and dying?
"God" seems to exist for people that have had something they believe to be "phew lucky" happen to them.
Then the excuse is "God works in mysterious ways" is created to defend your "god".
It Wasn't God, it was physics. There were a LOT of people that "just" drove off the bridge before it collapsed, your dad just so happened to be one of them.
There was a LOT of people that dodged falling trees, there are videos online. It wasn't God, it was just what happened.
Physics is all there is, there are 7.5 Billion of us - coincidences WILL occur.
+sacr3 that's the truth physics is all there is
SAC
Have you ever done something that has harmed someone else in your life?
That person that you have harmed, might be thinking, 'Why did God allow you to do that to me?"
I only like these with this narrator
reminds me of 1990s " unsolved mysteries "
Just the name of it phosgene sounds brutal
For some reason the truck they used for the animation is a Russian Kamaz (you can see what looks like a 3 which is the russian letter z)
The scary music in the begging already suggest something bad bad is about to happen.
These were very similar to the ClF3:Neon cylinders i used at a wafer fab facility. The tanks had a regulator and the product was used at low pressure. Was regulated to 0.5PSIG to feed the machine and used at subatmospheric pressures in the cleaning chamber. Etches it all away to mirror finish bare silicon. ❤
I always liked the robot narration on these videos
Oh boy I did not know you have Russian made KAMAZ trucks in the States! Wow am I excited to see that!
Actual question. How and Why is Phosgene used?
pesticides I think
0:09 russian truck КАМАЗ LOL
It did say they bought it from an "outside chemical supplier". Outside indeed :P
КамАЗ drove in from Russia!
begone russian bots
I find it incredible that gas masks are not standard issued equipment working around tons of a deadly gas.
The capitalist word for that is "communism."
1:29 whats going on with that crane hook?
Lol I CANT STOP LAUGHING LOL
magic
I dont understand the logic behind being too stupid and too greedy to replace the cost of a tiny hose VS the cost of paying for an employee's death, and the cost of hefty criminal charges, WHICH IN THE END IS WHAT THEY DESERVE!
Why russian made Kamaz 6x4 is delivering the canisters?
Many thanks for your efforts!
Glad I don't have flow problems in my hose.
Where's the rest of the story?
that exposed worker must have felt terrible after the contact with this shit.
I wonder if he knew he was going to die...
Used in world war 1, probably the deadliest chemical weapons ever used, so probably. It must suck, knowing that you're about to die within the day.
How about a reaction video to the Union Carbide disaster at Bhopal in India?
The same chemical used by the Italian Army against Austrian troops at Gorizia
Why the truck is a russian Камаз ?
Im wondering if anyone heard a strange guitar riff in the background when they shut the valve without purging it, or when the worker didn't feel the need to use PPE going into a poison gas pit?
Ohio government watching like 🫣
Will there be a full investigation video of this accident or is this the only one?
The CSB do a complete report you can get from their website (assuming Trump has not closed it down by now 2018. He is slashing their budget by 95%)
What's to investigate? it's very clear what happened.
It's only clear if there was an investigation you genius.
Without investigation we can only guess.
it exists a full video from csb on youtube on the csb youtube channel
So uhm, you didnt say how to prevent it. The tube was blocked... so what it blows up any time its blocked..
Check the Jordanian Phosgene ship accident.
2:19
Its exactly at this moment, he knew he was Fu**ed
It causes zombies!
Osowiec, then and again
Attack of the dead hundred men
Facing the lead once again
Hundred men, charge again, die again
_doopt doopt_ An alarm sounded ...
_squeet squeet_ A worker closed and opened valves ...
_klooch klurgle_ The steel lines were purged with nitrogen ...
_zannnkkkk_ The liquid phosgene warmed up ...
If only that worker had known to get out, remove his clothes and wash.
Inhalation is the biggest danger
ok but what about the obviously russian truck at the start
Alexa cancel my order on Amazon for fosgene
I didn’t know Fozzie wore jeans
Follow up? What are the preventions?
2:44 major double bubble alert
agreed, but any report of a malfunction of the equipment should be dealt with immediately and thoroughly with such a toxic chemical. if the flow issue were corrected the day before as it should have been, this would not have happened. someone is responsible and they deserved what was coming to them.
The weak link will give first.
Been inside a large phosgene unit plant A Dow chemical in Freeport, Tx the entire unit was enclosed. You had to enter thru a air lock and wear SCBA. Nasty, nasty stuff.
Pocket phosgene
Phosgene is cool!
why did his condition deteriorate
Poison gas
good sharing of experiene
Country Roads, Take me home
Wasn't phosgene the gas alluded to in Wilfred Owen's poem , Dulce Et Decorum Est?
+Chris Henniker yes, or chlorine by the symptoms
Robert Pyne I think Chlorine is intimated in some lines too.
"Gas, Gas! Quick boys!
An ecstasy of fumbling, fitting the clumsy helmets just it time.
But still someone was still yelling out and stumbling, and floundering like a man in fire or lime.
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light, i saw him drowning.
In all my dreams before my helpless sight, he plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
if in some smothering dreams you too could pace behind the wagon that we flung him in, and watch his white eyes writhing in his face, his hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin.
If you could hear at every jolt, the blood come gargling from the froth corrupted lungs, obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud, of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues. My friend, you would not tell with suck high zest, to children ardent for some desperate glory, the old lie, Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori."
both chlorine and phosgene had similar symptoms. however phosgene took a day or so to start showing symptons but was more deadly, accounting for up to 85% of all gas deaths in ww1 by some accounts.
+Robert Pyne My favourite poem.
after re reading the poem. im almost 100% thats its about chlorine. Phosgene's symptoms are slow to appear but Chlorine's are instant as alluded to in the poem. Tear gas was not as deadly and mustard gas was rarely fatal and was also used mainly later after the supposed date the poem was written.
Chlorinated brake cleaner (which I believe is the non-flammable kind) contains tetrachloroethylene, which, when exposed to high heat like welding, devolves into phosgene gas. 0/10, not recommended .
UV, not heat.
Same for old refrigerants especially R-12 and R-22