Let's Fix The Classic 1979 Bally KISS Pinball Machine! Get Your Quarters Ready! A-1
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YOU WANTED THE BEST AND YOU GOT THE BEST dang pinball repair guy RON!!! Looking forward to more on this repair. Keep it awesome!
A friend of mine has a KISS with no displays. Watching this will definitely help me help her fix it one of these days!
Very cool we do the displays themselves in a later video too that's coming up later this week, thanks for watching!
You are tripping me out dismissing and confronting all the "haters" with your reasoning for why you are shorting connections to other connections on the board. They see it as hacking and since it was not the original design, they poo-poo on it and your methods. But, coming from someone who has an electrical background and degree, I can see that your logic is strong and you are only fixing shotty engineering. I would MUCH rather have circuits directly connected (or "Shorted") than have an edge connection pin and wiring tying those things together and connecting them. You ROCK Ron.
People say all kinds of crazy stuff but I don't just randomly do mods to things so since I had the schematics I figured it might be worth walking through the reasoning :) Thanks for watching man!
Agree sound advice but just be careful when you do things like that and do your homework first which it sounds like it already has been done for this of course but I will always be the naysayers the symptoms when something was made or put together or designed there was a little bit of an oversight worse things could have been done better you know in electronics off in time still be a field update or a change that is done in the field sometimes related with a technical service bulletin or slight modification because of a problem they found after Orwell after the problem would had been ended device for years or in some cases updates the circuitry installed in the field I actually was repairing it on TV once and I ran acrossed this in a manual add borrowed for that set and it turns out there was kind of a working or sleeping problem if you would with that set that I noticed something was amiss but was not causing actual issues per say that that time but it was saying that someone could very well go wrong in the future and that loves gation Waterfield modification or whatever you would call it cannot think of the proper term that was said to be done in the manual when it came in for service after I did that it corrected that and everything did not seem to miss with that part of the set at all so things like that happen with Underside or goose are all kinds of things that should probably a bit address twin it was designed in the first place but somehow slipped under radar or was discovered it was an issue for some reason much later on so things like that are bound to happen and know that would not be happening and no it's not dangerous as long as it can be done safely and not cause a hazard to anyone or anything in the device itself or negatively affect the operation or cause something to fail under some condition Etc it would be almost like adding an extra fuse to protect circuitry that could be severely damaged or destroyed that we hard repair if something did overload or drink too much current for too long or like adding a thermal fuse in series will power resistor that would be hard to get or they could be used to protect other circuitry is that if overtime if they're bitching with currants in the case that a fuse would not have right characteristics protected in that way did that once on something take a piece of theatrical equipment with some sort of strobe something-or-other and no it wasn't the ark line either which uses of Baba solder into leads over the top of resistor soldered together at the middle and under tension. If that power resistor overheats it melts solder opening the circuit if there's an issue but clever but same idea and no I did not know about that technique before that I did that I discovered that later.
No different than adding like a recharge Mobile. Battery replace alkaline charge from another source not the alkaline battery rechargeable course to to keep memory on something one might call that hacking but not really is just an alternate way to do something just like you using rechargeable battery add device instead of an alkaline in my my book no different.
Replacing a Mercury battery that's no longer available with a stack of lithium coin cells and possibly a nut or a spring samsora thing yeah sure you could call that a hack however I call it a mod or modification to each is own so the haters out there can hate this but you will be ignored because call it what you will one thing the one person one thing do another there always be haters and they're also all the B people that will appreciate the work at war or things and yes reliability as well in those cases where putting a physical jumper between two points to bypass something that would be or perhaps to avoid issues with long faces on a circuit board voltage drop or other issues how do I know I had to do it before.
Hey Joe have you ever run across what's referred to as the green death or the green slime or something referred to as similar artists that with maybe on a plug of a machine or internally or other typically associated with PVC insulation in the wiring and copper Subway to do if the plasticizer of the insulation I've seen this a few times and it's been brought up in a host of other video store on UA-cam also about how many times do you run into a pinball machine or another machine that the cord or plug is not original AKA been replaced maybe the original cord buy a new plug as well I can see why on these machines that would happen a lot because of course the outlets would be only on the wall unless course is power strip is being used which probably would not be the best but I'd say but ignoring that fact or opinion in other people's minds the probable reason why that plugs and cords have been replaced a lot of photos for Shane's is that often times I'm sure the outlet that they're using you maybe in behind an arcade machine by the way arcade machines in general and that probably court has been squashed smashed Etc enough times that the plug-in record has had to be changed for that reason because that seems to be the most vulnerable area of a cord is the plug into things or where it goes into advice for failure and also just because of repeated bending over time as well you know like the phone cable it's usually at one of the other almost never in the middle what would have been nice is if they had right angle plugs on those cords or when they change a plug put on a right angle one to keep it from happening again so you don't have to replace it eventually there are times which I use a right angle plug instead of a straight one depending on the application or if I know where maybe use might be having that issue in a long run it can save trouble however some X it can bite you when is Haagen-Daz somewhere that is that is going the wrong way or blocking the space of another plug adapter or whatever or if you're using an adapter Dell horror or power strip yeah that could can happen and I'm sure how has previously with others and also I've got some right angle plugs go the opposite way of others haven't run across this as much with cord plugs I purchase and add to an existing cord but I've had some chords either with a plug or attached and raw ends for installation and something or an extension cord is that the position of the prongs are flipped in such way that the cord goes up instead of facing down also this can be an issue with two right angle plugs in a socket obviously on a duplex Outlet some people use a cheater to extend the reach of course negating the ground pin completely I'd almost rather have them using the day after to do that employee both into one or use it after just extended pession plug what have you and people out there please do not list ground for any circumstances and if there's a case where there is no ground it means it's probably time for an update and to have some electrical work done that ground is there for good reason and is your friend in the case of a fault in a piece of equipment perhaps causing the chassis to be alive if you were to go across somebody else that is grounded that could be your last think touching one item that is not grounded but there's a fault to the chassis and touching something else that is grounded in one way or another Direct Mail contact for a fence and your hands arm the arm across the heart yeah that's why I say it never disconnect ground I'm not talkin to a local Force ground of course I'm talking about a hundred twenty volts ac and of course this would also apply to anything else including disconnecting ground on say arranged connector or whatever.
I know it's here attempting to remove the ground prong if there is no ground at the receptacle.
And yes I know of audio lifting the ground weasel ground Loop there are other options they might get expensive but at least you have still have the ground for protection in case something goes horribly wrong I've seen this happen in audio especially in temporary installations I myself got a jolt off a piece of equipment that the ground had been lifted and there was an internal fault and another piece of equipment that had not been ground lifted I happen to test both at once they were sitting next to each other and my hand happened to bridge between them.
we had something similar happen on stage one time when I used to be on stage crew.
Also when I was doing some janitorial work I was not aware of this but when the outlets had a bad ground commercial vacuum with grounding cord of course.
It probably had just happened because otherwise earlier when I was plugged into a different Outlet which was actually in a bathroom because there's no Outlet nearby to get that area with the vacuum the GFI see did not trip so chances are it just happened.
of course when I straighten out the problem with the vacuum yo ice Elaine the ground Falls I checked the ground for continuity it sure enough there was a complete path from the ground prong to the rest of the vacuum so that wasn't it. And then I checked receptacle and that's how I found out no ground don't remember why I think it had just come loose Maybe
happened to touch something else has grounded I think it was the water fountain possibly and got zapped that was unexpected.
needless to say I corrected the problem.
Yep. The key is understanding WHY the weird crap you're bypassing was done. In this case, it's because it was cheaper because single layer PCB.
Further, the concept of disconnecting 5vDC as a safety measure is hilarious on its face, particularly on a board with, what are those displays, 180vDC?
Got my first pinball machine last month..........79 KISS machine. Already troubleshooting problems and doing minor playfield repairs and your videos are essential for this newbie. Luckily it came with all new Alltek boards and new sound and rectifier boards, so hopefully no board repairs in the near future. But there was a strange humming coming from the machine when I turned it on. Asked for help on a pinball board and the owner of the sound board company told me to loosen the screws holding the sound board and get separation from the metal sheet on the back..bingo!. All the pinball community has been a great help like that!!!
Some of them, it may have been the bally boards I can't remember, had little plastic spacers on them from the factory so they didn't ground out on that bar so yup that's pretty common on those... those alltek boards are great, we will be putting one in this game too later this week! These things play FAST!
@@LyonsArcade I like the 79 game more than the 2015 games....except for the music and sounds.
Yes! The Kiss pinball repair video! Get it going so it can rock and roll all night!
And party everyday!
After watching one of your Bally Kiss videos, I was able to fix a problem on my own Bally Kiss pinball machine AND learn more about how it works. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!
“Hot damn!” I’ve never seen a more thorough beating of a dead horse, Keep up the great work! Can’t wait for the game to be played.
lol I thought it was going on too long :)
@@LyonsArcade Your videos are never too long :)
@@LyonsArcade Well that guy was a phony, a big fat phony! "ua-cam.com/video/3gPlF7-bno4/v-deo.html" ^_^
GREAT Job on the names. You were a little shaky, but you got them all right. Proud of you Ron! I would have liked to made it down to see this one while you still had it.
No problem man we'll get another one in :) Hey in a later video I'm going to need you to help us figure out what song it's playing, lol
@@LyonsArcade I'm here for you man and maybe the next one you get let me know and I'll come a bore the viewers with KISS trivia
I wish I would of seen this and made an offer on that machine. I am a big Kiss fan too since 1977. I got all of their albums. Great job on naming the band members! Gene, Paul, Ace and Peter applaud you! :)
Gene, Peter, Paul and Ace. You’re not wrong.
I think he missed Ringo.
Ringo's the man
Im just amazed you guys are actually getting haters, all you do is restore classic video game and pinball machines.
If you ever get time and want to see people tripping :) just go here on youtube and search "Frosty the Snowman". You will find hundreds of people downvoting fucking FROSTY THE SNOWMAN
The owner leaving it as original as possible is 100% correct IMO
I think so too!
YOU WANTED THE BEST!
YOU GOT THE BEST!
THE HOTTEST ARCADE GAME REPAIR IN THE LAND!
RON!
Was that what they said in their concerts?
Yes.
You can hear it at the beginning of the album ALIVE..
Really the first best selling live album ever.
And the album that broke KISS into the mainstream..
That's where it officially started.
And yeah..
I am a KISS fan as well.
First album I ever purchased with my allowance as a kid..
KISS LOVE GUN.
Ace freely, when he went solo, ‘New York groove’ was big one for him.
All that was a little bit before my time, when I was a kid we were walking like an Egyptian and listening to Uptown Girl, lol
@@LyonsArcade not too far off, about 10-15 years, lol
I have watched a bunch of your video's and really enjoy them. I am also a huge Kiss fan. My first concert to ever attend was Kiss in 1979!
I had and old pinball machine from the 70's for quite a while that my father purchased from a bar in the early 80's. It was a 1972 Williams called "SWINGER". i played it for years and had planed on restoring the complete machine but it ended up getting completely trashed in a flood in my basement. If you ever find a SWINGER machine, I'm interested in purchasing it.
That sounds good Glenn, if we get one in we'll put out the bat signal :) That's a neat old game.
@@LyonsArcade Awesome! it is truly OLD SCHOOL! www.ipdb.org/machine.cgi?id=2485
Nice repair on that power suply i think yours repair skils are just fine 👍
Why thank you Danijel!
I was at collage in Leeds UK around 1980. One guy there could play this game so well he could pretty much stay on as long as he wanted to and could easily clock the score. I would last about a minute on it!
He didn't happen to be deaf, dumb and blind at all?
@@phillip5245 He was a skinny very agitated dude who got very angry when he lost a ball. But he was a 'pinball wizard' for sure.
Some people see it like the Matrix :)
@@LyonsArcade l o l
Nice job not taking and troll crap. I always get something from your videos. Thanks!
Thanks Bob!
I love this machine! I once came in 2nd in a pinball tournament on this one. Nice job bring it back to life. "Rock and Roll all Night!"
Great job sticking up for yourself!
People are crazy Rick :)
Ditto on what he said seriously you got to stand up for yourself sometimes it may be fruitless to do so but at least you tried but more often than not I find it makes a difference even if you were to be wrong at least you try to set things right I'm not saying it wrong this time but obviously even just sticking up for yourself sometimes is better than no. You never know there might be less Des Airs next time but your mileage may vary
I'm such a huge fan of this machine. I've played this one alit thanks for the memories. And as always great work you do fixing up these machines. Have a great week thanks for sharing.
Love those old-fashioned single-sided boards where you could easily figure out what's going on.
On that whole "safety feature" discussion... since all the incoming and outgoing voltage plus grounds is all on the same connector, I also don't quite understand the viewer's concerns...
This one is a very cool and fun machine that can be addictive.
Nice! This one i have waiting foor. I´ve got one in extremely poor condition. thanks for uppload. :) Now i´m gona watch the video.
Man you can completely fix that thing, and can probably fix the boards that are already in it.
Sometimes the fix I’ve used in the past for a blown AC fuse is just put a bigger one in until the smoke comes out to isolate the problem area.
That actually is a well proven diagnosis trick, lol Eventually you'll figure out what's the problem if you let it burn :)
born in 75, feeling the "i missed the kiss era" , love that they supported that bill and ted independent film back in the day, #supporting_the_arts
New movie remake...."Ronnie Dangerously " coming to a theater near you. 🤣 Don't let em get to you Ron, love your work and videos.
Thanks Arthur!
I've been subscribed for a while now and I always thought you was in your 50s (no offence) and now just found out that I'm older than you thanks Joe. Keep up the good work. From old man Grant from Hertfordshire England.
I'm 42, I've just always liked old things even when I was a kid. I can remember moving into a house when I was about 8 and it had a basement that nobody ever used, we found a bunch of old tabloids down there and I used to read them, they were all about things from before I was born, I was weird! Luckily, I'm completely normal now!
I love it when you call out stupid design. Just because someone designed something one way doesn’t always mean it’s the best way. The circuit design folks just pushed the expense and complexity onto the harness design folks with the short “loop” jumpers.
He likes it like that? Loud? He wants to hear it loud? Right between the eyes? Don‘t want no compromise?
Ahhh, a KISS fan I see :)
Awwwww absolutely love this machine !!! :) x
Thanks Saskia!
I've had this on as background as I worked in my den today (love your channel...and love KISS). I went out to make a sandwich and suddenly heard you raising your voice!! I ran back just in time to catch the smack down! :)
lol I'm glad some people enjoyed it :)
Yep I wonder how many machines the armchairs have repaired? Love the videos ! Thanks for taking the time to make videos.
Thanks FET Killer we appreciate you watching with us :)
@@LyonsArcade totally agree with that, find these videos, educational, entertaining, fun and being an electronics engineer I am fascinated by anything up to 12 volts and I love this era of electronics. When you could still fix stuff and stuff was made to be fixed and the electromechanicals you do are also totally fascinating...Used to own a pinball machine when I was a kid it was a Blast Off I believe...
It is important to connect TP1 & TP3 so the electrons don't leak out all over the board.
And don't even get me started on the Neutrons
@@LyonsArcade lol
Hey if you were to turn that connector upside down when mounting it eunos already in upside down all the electrons would fall out according to Jay Jones when he says about a chip down and upside down in orientation to all the others I think I've seen your user Avatar somewhere else not on UA-cam but for the life of me I can't remember what it is so where'd you get it and what was it originally from if you know perhaps it was before even the internet existed? At least in the form of is now? Please leave a comment thanks
@@aaronbrandenburg2441 Mr. Bob Dabolina
I klicked the like button in the same second you namned them right. Youré absolutely right with ther names. Congrats! you naild it perfectly!
User name checks out for commenting on this channel!!!!!!
Thanks MrVectrex that's very kind of you to say :)
Your right. Kiss is an amazing band!
I'm a business guy I really appreciate the business aspect of it. It's stunning to me how they were able to do what they did.
I’ve really been enjoying your videos. I’m glad I found your channel.
Thank you Bill, glad you found us!
I saw kiss in 76 at the capital center in landover md ac/dc opened
Sounds like a hell of a lineup :)
It's incredible how much changed in 4 years, in 1975 the pat hand was just full of relays and stuff packed in the bottom of the machine, this one from 1979 is mostly empty and all the logic is in a few circuit boards behind the back glass.
Yeah it's pretty astonishing.... for a little while there Ian the companies were making both types at the same time, in 1977. So you can look at a Bally Night Rider.... and they made an EM version of it, plus a SS version of it, same game pretty much but one has all the relays and everything and the other one looks like this inside.
LMAO Lets get dangerous! Cue the Darkwing duck theme song. Keep up the wonderful work! Love ya!
Darkwing Duck was so cool. I mean he had to try and be cooler than Donald Duck and that's hard to do.
Check the factory vacuum lines on the truck and check the EGR pipe. They can get clogged up.
Also the Air Flow Sensor on the air intake hose. and the PCV
A lot of times it is small stuff that causes trouble.
I replaced a bunch of sensors on my explorer and found a vacuum line issue and now it runs great, except it has no brake lines.
How dare you do something dangerous, like consult with other pinball industry experts, lol. Last I checked, this wasn't a how-to video, it is a "how Ron fixes it" video. And if it is so dangerous, somehow I doubt you would be doing it to a customers machine, that they are paying money to have repaired. Keep up the good work Ron, thanks for the great content!!
People are crazy man, lol Thanks for watching Robert, we appreciate you checking our videos out :)
You are so DANGEROUS!
Takkke away my Money... Throwwww away my time... Youuuu can call me Honey but cha NO DAMN GOOD FOR ME!
Connector jumpers are to probably to test boards and power then externally during testing.
Looking forward to see this being played. You were born in '78..? Crap, you're three years younger than me!!
I feel like i'm about 14
would have been good to see after it fixed you playing it so we can hear the sounds & See it.
Love your videos. Keep up the great work. I do have one comment to add about tying all the ground wires at the board however. By doing that, you are disturbing the original "Star" ground connection made at the transformer. All grounds are usually taken back individually to ensure no stray currents exist in the ground wiring. However in this application, it is unlikely to cause issues, and as you say will ensure extra solid ground connections. Great stuff
Which is worse, losing a ground or stray current?
@@LyonsArcade In this application it is perfectly fine to couple grounds as you are. But worth bearing in mind "star" grounding. Partcularly in audio work, or jukeboxes. What you are doing in your videos is fantastic work. I love all of them. One day I will get a pinball to supplement my Juke collection.
@@LyonsArcade The most effective way of course would be to take all the ground points directly back to the transformer and rectifiers individually, bypassing the connectors by taking out the pins. But that would really upset the purists Lol. I have had to do that in a rockola 460 jukebox amp before now. using the connector resulted in hum. But pulling the ground from the connector and wiring that point back to the star ground cured the problem. All good stuff to catch out the "young players" lol
This is exciting! One of my favorite pins. If the owner wants to restore the old pot covers, then submerge them in hydrogen peroxide, and place them under sunlight all day or uv light for a few days.
I've heard that can be done but I'd wonder if it will take off the black paint??? Thanks for watching Duke!
Look for UA-cam videos on "retrobrite". There are various methods that all involve peroxide and UV light. It shouldn't affect painted parts but will affect decals. It is a good way to de-yellow old electronics such as hand-helds, consoles, and old computer cases and peripherals.
When u hook tp1 to tp3 your just living on the edge😁👍
I know watch out we got a madman over here!
And I am a ACE FREHLEY AND PETER CRISS..
FAN..
People go with Vinnie Vincent and Mark st. John..
And hell Eric Carr is a very underrated drummer.
But really my favorite album is with Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley
Eric singer and Bruce..
REVENGE...
MOST METAL KISS ALBUM EVER...
I’ll have to check that album out!
Normally you have a safety diode that is put between the hot and neutral coming in so that if the lines get reversed in the outlet it will cause a dead short and blow that fuse
Also sometimes there is a large capacitor that is in between the main line and neutral and if that goes bad and you get a dead short it'll blow that fuse
I've seen this before in two-way radios this exact scenario
Love KISS pinball!
The more I play it the more I like it.
I think I played it maybe once or twice and I know I've seen it years and years ago and do you remember the pinball machine pinbot wasn't that the first one to actually talk I can't remember which one it was possibly that was it?
Does anyone remember the pinball machine Funhouse that was one of my favorites that in The Addams Family.
Every so often I'd work on a pinball machine for someone I knew enough to fix them typically would be someone that would have one at home.
Sometimes it's just a quick fix you know like a stuck button or maybe just a bad contact somewhere or bad switch or tilt tilting for no reason yeah sometimes the wire would be broken off and have the touch until the machine or Subway try to disable the tilt Eduardo permanently tilting it they had the wire tied off to the ring contact on a tilt mechanism but the wire had not been insulated or cut clean off on the end and it was resting on that completing the circuit until the machine basically doing the opposite of what they wanted to do but would just happen occasionally and I saw that I'm like I bet you that might be the problem and sure enough it was.
I once saw disarm pinball machine once and a couple other things for every single fuse in the thing was blown one thing I know that it occurred to don't know what I do know there was a power surge in one case.
But the Earth One I was scratch my head to this day did all the tests in the world but couldn't find a reason for it then one time it was just one thing causing something else causing something else cousin somewhere else Cascade failure with all those voltages related in one way or another to Marshalls of the equipment. And I do know one time what causes a situation like that for sure was a crowbar circuit there was an issue where some way at plug something into a higher line voltage when testing it which was their fault actually wrong plug on their chest setup and also was not falling his old test procedures when using his self-made equipment AKA it was plugged into the variable output is that could output voltage in excess of line voltage with a very controlling land same type of receptacle is on the other side of course but labeled as such but he pointed into the wrong one very Act was set at a very high voltage compared to what the line voltage from the Wimpy and that apple is enabled when I turned on the juice thus and yes old school linear power supply equals acceptable to join the output which means you trip all the crowbar circuit simultaneously blowing every fuse also since it happened instantaneously it was enough to Blow The Wind Fierce as well but that's one in a million.
I love their song Beth. I think it is the best song they wrote.
I haven't heard their catalog but from what I understand they did more stuff like that most people never heard.
You wanted the best (Pinball repair video)! Now, you got the best (pinball repair video)! (microfarad, LOL) (u f, ::finger taps:: LOL, again)
Inside joke for the old timers :)
What's with the microfarad gag I'm not sure I think I've heard about this elsewhere is that related to Evie blog a Dave Jones by any chance?? Please reply and comment want to get to the bottom of that are you a million times of course.
@@LyonsArcade yes I'm aware of that but puts away explained please I'm hearing it on practically every electronics every few videos at least fly Tronics but I just want to get to the bottom of what the gag is over you know what's the story behind it please, thanks bye
I've worked on CB radios guitar amplifiers and stereo equipment that has the same electronics from the same period ,but I've never worked on a pinball machine board, that being said I think you're doing everything correct you're researching everything before you connect it, what more can you do?, If I could give you any advice replace as many caps as you can , I love watching your videos don't let people trigger you you are doing s*** right.
Thanks Mr Roman Timothy, we appreciate you watching!
i was "dangerously" close to pissing my pants laughing.
hahaha that's the reaction I'm looking for :)
“Danger Us” ly? Maybe this isn’t the place for deep cut Kiss jokes...
Very, very cool. I've been kind of waiting for you to tackle one of these. I'm sad that I only got to play it once or twice a year. The nearest arcade... well, a skating rink actually... that had one was 20 miles away, so I only got to play it when the youth group took a field trip to that skating rink. (Instead of skating, I'd blow my money on pinball.) As far as the playfield wear, I sort of agree with the owner... as long as it isn't too extreme, I'd leave it. Sometimes the patina tells part of the machine's story. Another pin that I have especially fond memories of is Stern's _Meteor,_ which also came out in 1979. Have you ever worked on one of those?
We have worked on quite a few Meteor's, that's a great game. I have a soft spot for the Stern games and the Gottliebs, I guess because people act like they're subpar or something, but you can usually get those cheaper and I like that too. Every game has something good you can enjoy about it if you want to. Meteor though is on about everybody's list of good games.... It has a great look, great ruleset, and great gameplay. Here's 1 video we did on it, We've worked on 4 or 5 of them though.
ua-cam.com/video/rpwGsvluYKU/v-deo.html
@@LyonsArcade Well, my fond memories of it are not really because of how it plays (although it is an awesome game). My dad's favorite restaurant (which has been closed and the building empty for years now) had a small collection of games, and that was one of them. He passed away in 2000, and I really miss him. If I had room for just one pinball machine, it'd probably be _Meteor_ for that reason. Also, thanks for the link... it saves me from having to look for it.
At 31:00, those filter caps.... lol. tbc, I'm sure it works fine.
How can it be wrong? Ground is ground! the more the better. Don't listen to them. keep doing it!
One thing......tying multiple grounds ...that are "starred" at the transformer together... Well what you great are earth loops...not all ways a problem but can cause noise in audio /analogue circuits and "emc" issues......but not burn your house down dangerous
My Ballys kiss machine was left on overnite and completly shut down. I saw somewhere, that their is some type of heat fuse, that turns off machine when it heats up. Not from a short somewhere. Have not checked any fuses yet.
Joe: "We're gonna start at the wall."
Me: "I thought this was a KISS video, not Pink Floyd?"
*shot*
You. You're funny, you.
Sweet I want one
They're pretty cool!
The link on J3 is a service feature. It isolates the 5Volt regulator from the rest of the board when unplugged allowing you to test the regulator and logic circuits easily.
How do you unplug it more easily than using the test points on the other boards?
@@LyonsArcade It isolates it so now you can perform a resistance measurement from tp3 to gnd and tp5 to gnd to determine what circuit has the problem, it looks like they do this sort of thing in other places.
Are you sure you've connected everything to ground? Brilliant video as usual.
If you read the replies I had two or three people tell me I'm messing it up by doing that, LOL
My evening is now sorted.
Glad you found it :)
man oh man !!!!!! you cant let folks get under your skin like this. You do fantastic work haters' are going to be what they are.
Seems like you got all the name of the band members right. Great job bruh
I'm getting there :) I don't think I could name everybody in the Stones!
@@LyonsArcade Same as I bruh. I might have to look at a cheat sheet.
Usually high voltage capacitor will have a high value resistor between the legs, so when power is off, the capacitor will slowly discharge it's stored voltage.
Could perhaps have been a power surge from the Wall socket as that is what that fuse is there to do, to protect the power supply from over voltage conditions...Just my two cents worth...
To test 100 percent on the rectifier or board mabye a substituted load like a 4 amp test light. Not sure would work just an idea I Appreciate your work and opinion
I think that would definitely work Amy!
Hi all, great vid I do love it when you start from scratch on this amazing old machines...That guy giving you shit over the 5v mod needs to relax or go elsewhere...looking forward to part 2, cheers.
Yes totally agree my theory is the warning that jumper is there on the wiring harness jumping those two pins on that connector may not be a safety thing at all what I'm thinking is it's possible that that may be used for test purposes or perhaps in another system that the following pool is provided off board by another bored or directly from a power supply since these boards are used in multiple machines they may have designed it in such a way that the Bible could be supplied from a different board or from a power supply itself.
From the quick glance at it when you're going through it it almost looks like when that connector is disconnected the five vowels is completely separated from the floor voltage regulator circuit radio which would theoretically allow if the wiring harness was slightly different and didn't have the jumper instead having a wire feeding 5 volts going to the pain that is not connected to the voltage regulator circuitry on the output for the 5 volts.
And that is that other pain could be in input for a 5-volt from another board or such as I'd said either or that could be for test purposes perhaps a door troubleshooting when you got bubbles available but you don't have it connected to the original power supply I've seen other things designed it like that for this reason and other equipment not gaming or pinball or anything but just in general in electronics especially something that would be modular that's designed to fit more than one device or be your 411 purpose in other products Etc.
At first I thought maybe that was something to do with making sure is that if the power was disconnected there would no be no input into the logic side of things which may also be a reason but of course there would not be any power already until I actually saw what was going on when you brought in the schematic because of some types of logic in such if power is not applied but logic signals are you can have a big big problems if you apply inputs without Logic power that is nothing go into it but it was a thought at first but I don't think that's why that still in there in this case.
Just putting in my two dollars into that not to sense because you know a lot more than that.:-)
People are crazy man, you wouldn't believe some of the stories I could tell about weirdos on youtube, imagine what famous people must go through! See you on the next video!
by moving the gnd you move the gnd star point. current must also have a return path to prevent ground bounsing. but otherwise I really like to watch your videos, it is my old profession. greetings from the Netherlands
I’m not moving the ground I’m adding grounds
@@LyonsArcade I see that and it changes the gnd return path. just look at amplifier circuits that have a gnd collection point. a starpoint, this is done to keep the gnd return current from entering sensitive circuits. such as multiplexers, audio, cpu circuits. But it is not dangerous you are right.
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Just a thought. Wouldn't that big cap be holding charge even after J3 is unplugged. Wouldn't that then supply power over your jumper when unplugged? could the original design be worried the connector would get disconnected while still charged maybe?
Heat sinks are really cheap. You can use an SSD NVME chip heat sink. They are like 25 cents each, just cut them to length you need.
Joes DANGEROUS Video Games :D
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You want the best, you got the best! They were during my time but my parents said they were devil worshippers. We had to sneak to listen. Classic machine.
I can see why parents thought they were satanic but times sure have changed! Even at their worst it was very mild stuff compared to the stuff we see on t.v. now :)
When you say wax, is that the triple thick ? And is the triple thick water proof ? Can you spray it on outdoor items that will be in the elements ?
ElGatoLoco698 is correct, we use three different clear coatings, there's triple thick which is a clear coat spray paint that's really thick. We use it to seal backglasses that have paint flaking off, the thicker paint works like glue and holds the chips in place helping seal them back to the backglass. Regular paint doesn't work as good because it's thinner.
Then we also use clear coat spray paint on the playfield, to protect the paint by basically putting a coating of paint over the top of it. You don't want to use Triple Thick for this because Triple Thick is a product for pottery and dries softer than regular spray paint. So it can be scratched easier and won't hold up as well on a playfield where a ball is rolling over it.
Finally, we put wax on top of the clear coat on the playfields, just as an extra protective layer on even the clearcoat, and because it looks pretty :)
Nice another plinball :-) thanks!
Just a small question in general. Because i have seen it a couple of times (and had it a few time's myself) that the ball would hit the glass.... now i'm wondering?.....Can you break the glass this way (or rather, shatter it into a million **** pieces)?
That would make a bit of a mess on the play field :-O
You're dangerous all right 😎...(insert the Cars song, "Dangerous type" here...)
I'm dangerously cool
Ha ha ha
Curious, couldn't you have put some load (resistors,etc) on the output of the bridge rectifier to see if it dropped in voltage? Wouldn't that have confirmed that was the problem before removing it? Trying to understand for my own knowledge.
Yes that would work!
AC power means alternating current which go in both directions.
While.
DC power only goose in one direction and stops.
Right?
Some people aren't happy unless they are stirring shit up. you can hang them with a gold rope and you would still hear bitching, lol.love the content.
Don't feed the trolls. Just ignore them.
I block several a week :)
Have u ever come across a south park pinball machine if so what were your thoughts
I have played it and really liked it but I like all of them 😎
Dead short in a diode or capacitor or the transformer would cause main fuse to blow.
My OCD desperately wants to scrub that Fluke with Fantastik 😭
Everybody keeps mentioning that :)
@@LyonsArcade hey there not something with the Fluke meter :-( but it involves use of it sort of actually does :-) have you ever brought up about usually with a bridge or a diode fails that will usually be shorted at times is likely failure mode for diodes and or a portion of a bridge rectifier AKA full Bridge rectifier it seems most of the time they will will fail short it however I have occasionally run across an open diode or a bridge rectifier that has one of the four diodes open instead of shorted as a failure mode although I'm sure you probably don't run into half Bridge rectifier so much they're the ones three terminals essentially half a bridge rectifier full wave 104 diodes although you have Ashley seen this at least in that configuration but not a half Bridge rectifier producing this that crane game that used a common wire and 2 are there wires with a positive and negative voltage from the power supply but again I don't think you would run across half Bridge ones much at least in your line of things so don't stand me a jukebox baby don't know.
Nope I'm not talkin about a tube top amplifier for a jukebox having a half wave Bridge rectifier and two windings on a Transformer and its Center tap this is something altogether different in the sense of with diodes is what I'm referring to yeah those tubes are diodes in a way but and not going to be used as diodes like in just a power supply for a pinball or whatever as I say it diodes have jumper in v they want to become a solid jumper wire so when they go out they want to become a jumper which is often dish fell short circuit which is a lot of times I found that that is one of the things I would check first if there's a blown fuse in something is check direct deposits unsane EBT 10% or so the time maybe more it may be a bad rectifier that blew a fuse or trips observe overload device or opened up a resistor that was acting as a fuse either intentionally or not and yes I saw the Carnage on that one board where that resistor had torched apron circuit board I think it was in a monitor on an arcade cabinet if I'm not mistaken seen something like that before but in something else short circuit after the resistors which were just acting to limit current but nothing else glowing preventing that from happening it doesn't help when the fuse before that 24 power supply had been replaced with one that was at least maybe what three to five times the rating of the original and yes I've seen that happened on your channels that people replace fuses with one that's way overrated I'm not talking about half amp or an amp in some cases almost double.
Especially when the writing of the fuse is printed right next to the fuse holder worst is when somebody sticks of bowls or a piece of wire or foil around a fuse or Worse even or at least could be Widowmaker in the case of these glass fuses a 22 cartridge yep I've seen it before and worse!
Indeed it does. Give it a clean man!! Lol
Wasn't there also a KISS-based pinball game made in the 90's?
yes for home systems like the PS1.
I'm Just here to see Mr dangerous jumper's reponse
There's only 1 response possible :)
Since you work on so many video games I am surprised that you don’t have an independent power supply that you can use as a test instrument in other words something that has that has all the voltages so that you can jump her stuff and find and use that to make sure that everything is getting its proper voltage this, equipment is commonly used in troubleshooting so have a good day bye-bye
Clark we do have one but don't hardly ever use it, we just fix the power supplies in the games and use them. Thank you for watching, have a good day!
By the way good question would have done the same and I just saw it was answered in the comment in reply to yours but I don't think so similar except I build a universal power supply that puts out almost any voltage I ever see with room for expansion in additional Electronics in the chassis and also I had it sewed also put out AC and DC and anytime I would need a different voltage of have add acid Warfare for regulator rectifier what have you and yes it could do unregulated as well by the time I got done in a chassis was full there must have been at least 14 Transformers that sucker needless to say that something that was on Wheels and stayed under the bench usually and also live is Handy for prototyping as well and more common voltages did come out do a front panel multi pin connector it was something like they don't Jones Pond I think it had 12 or more pins? Long time ago I gave it or sold it to someone else when I move I knew really that someone else probably good to have more years for it to me since I would not have a shop where I was moving.
Yep me again when you're talkin about those mods the D-League of the grounds redundant grounding or the common ground or the common in many cases would be a good idea to reduce resistance bad connections Etc and so forth but in some cases grounding like that haphazardly can cause issues not likely probably with that in this case.
Who bought in some cases redundant grounding can be a bad idea and not a good design practice but that is take it with a grain of salt because it would need to be a case-by-case basis and some circuitry tolerate it no problem but in specific circumstances that can cause other issues then again something like this go for it just more reliable as you have said before even in other videos. And that's why you made the most acacian is high reliability but I thought I would just bring it up about redundant grounds causing issues as well for other people that may be working on other time equipment that that could be an issue and also things go for like Star grounding reduce impedance and coupling and other things like that and of course ground loops can being a big issue in some cases anyone has tried to hook up multiple devices for audio and get the what I call hum of death because of a ground Loop that drives you nuts oh yeah that's the thing.
I half expected you to say Common Ground folks common ground or something similar it's just like when you eat different foods versus have Lida Foods intermix before you eat them it all goes to the same place in this case backs the same ground please see earlier comments for exceptions to this and other things related to this
Those dang you efs can sneak up on you. Thanks, Ron...
Thanks Roy we'll see you on the next video :)
Awesome work. I wish I could afford a stand up arcade machine that did a dozen of the classics, like Donkey Kong and Pac Man, Dig Dug, Galaga, etc..
I know there is a way to make a Pi that does this, but I really love the old classic cabinets.
I used Amazon link to get the Double Thick
Jeff, what a moron. WHY ? WHY DID HE SEND A D*** PIC ?
What is wrong with guys. If I were rich, there is no way I would let anyone have a photo of me nude.
NO WAY.
I agree!
I think the transformer may have an issue
This Knights In Satan’s Service machine is awesome! Looking forward to seeing it up and running again!
KISS did NOT stand for "knights in Satans service" only religious wackos thought that.
That fuse would blow if the transformer went bad
Love your vids Guys! Just thought I would elicit any help and additional common sense anyone could gleen my way ... I have the same Kiss Bally pinball machine and I want to take the back glass (only) with me to an event to have Ace Frehley sign it. The back glass is in really good shape and I'm just concerned I'll break it/cause damage to it -- hot car, etc). Does anybody have any suggestions as far transporting it in my car (do's & dont's). tlTrying to think of every common sense thing I can think of to keep it safe and to transport it directly back to the car after he signs it so it doesn't get broken. Nervous wreck!!! It will of course be in the dead heat of summer! Yikes. The venue is about 1 hour away each way for me. Thanks so much for any guidance suggestions warnings yada yada yada I appreciate it!!!!
You won't have any problems, just wrap it in a blanket or something and put it in the car, they're a lot more resilient than you think they are! It'll make it in 1 piece, no problem. The ones that have damage it's from years of abuse, not a few hours of careful handling :)
Thank you again, all went well!!! I'd show you if I knew how to send a picture on here.
I have a Bally Kiss machine
Very cool :)
I guess i had better start reading all of the comments! Who knew i was missing epic douchebaggery in there! I thought this was a happy place! It’s supposed to be a happy place people!
When you read through, you won't see a lot of it because I ban people all the time, lol... so a lot of the douchebaggery doesn't get seen :)
I come here for the danger.
Don't get too close to the screen! BTW you should have seen the 'dangerous' real life stuff we were doing yesterday (Sunday). If people thought a little jumper wire was dangerous they have no idea, lol.
Seriously who was the idiot that said the 5volt modification was dangerous? It was never designed as a "Safety Feature". It was just to test/prove there was 5Volts going to the other boards. Some people are complete idiots. As you said, leaving the connector off disconnects all power anyway. I think, like on your schematic, on most machines it is purely a jumper wire and not actually used to monitor other boards. Actually, thinking about it, there probably isn't an easy way on the board to get a trace there given everything else on the board, so it is likely used to work around that as well. Definitely not safety.
Yes I think they did it because they couldn't get a trace to it so they just jumpered it off the connector... which wouldn't be a problem really on a new machine and they only really wanted these to last a couple years. Then here comes me 40 years later, and we want to make sure there's no resistance anywhere so we jumper around that little wire off the connector just to make sure everythings nice and tight and conductive, don't want our voltages having different levels on different boards if we can help it :)
I wouldn't have really called the guy out like that because I get like, literally, 10 complaints a day about something or the other, but he kept telling me I was being dangerous, on 3 different videos so I felt it was worth looking through the schematics in detail. It's not even my 'mod', I just follow pinrepair.com. Thank you for watching Brendan, I appreciate it!