Joss Goodall Tells JW Elders that a True Christian Does Not Need JW.Org: Part 3 of 3
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It's not just Joss' excellent manners or people skills that made them listen. And it wasn't just Joss' bible knowledge either. They listened because Joss spoke the truth, through the Holy Spirit. It was the combination of this, his knowledge and great manners that held them captive. Oh they were held captive alright. I will not award them patience skills. I don't know them. And they listened too. Did they listen to learn? Only time will tell that part of the story. But they will never ever forget that conversation, whether the real truth is in them or not!
Joss, I am so touched to be your sister, in Christ. ❤
On another note totally, I want to thank you for keeping these works of upbuilding, encouraging and strengthening your spiritual family ad free. The videos just play, no adverts. Thank you!
The elders have heard the testimony of a righteous man. They may ultimately realize the error of their ways. We must pray for them. Who knows, one day they may be wearing Joss's shoes. We can only pray for them.
@JIREENA-GABRIELEBLAS Well said. Good sentiments! Thank you.
This elder is attempting to defend what he himself clearly does not believe. It is impossible to argue with Joss’ logic about the identity of the faithful slave scripturally. Anyone who is truly honest saw the GB appointing themselves as the faithful slave as anything other than seizing control of the organization. Joss, well done. I am proud to count you as my brother in Christ.
True Christians also do not need Beroean voices false org.
@@rodneylittle-ji9ke Please note I said Joss, not an organization.
Very Well Done. Every JW should see this 3 part interview. I can only imagine the time and effort (editing) that went into this, but the result is worth it. Joss is so well spoken, and his pleasant, patient demeanor is refreshing. My Best to you, and and to your production (crew) 😉.
Many thanks and well done on another very good and informative video. I must say Joss handled himself and the situation very well. His respectful and polite, kind manner was a lesson to us all, he gave a very good account of himself, well done Joss. The Elders were sadly and expectedly true to form and indoctrination, never really listening to Joss and processing what he said nor the very valid points he made. The only hope we have is when these Elders personally reflect on their discussion with Joss, they may just find some grains of truth in his words of wisdom and it may trigger their own critical thinking. I did like the point you made Eric about the Elder using God's personal name so many times. For many years i have questioned the repetitive nature of the use of God's name as I reflected on the disciples of Jesus and the Jews own reticence in using it out of reverence to The Almighty, it never did quite sit right with me. I did note some time before awakening that there was a recent tendency to refer to the rank and file JWs as "The Friends" and could never really understand it, while it did grate on my mind. I now know why from (in no small part) listening to your excellent discourses. On the subject of the use of God's name I was also struck by the fact that even in JWs own bible Jesus never once is quoted as using the name (for obvious reasons) himself, which in of itself is rather telling too. And I agree, when Jesus instructed his followers on how to pray he did not instruct them to address God as "Our friend" but rightly as "Our Father". Thanks for another excellent video.
@terrywindsor9779 And thank you for taking the time to share your own insights with us. Truly, we feed one another as the faithful slave is supposed to. Well done!
Eric does such a good job. Love it.
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Pozdrawiam serdecznie dziękuję bardzo za podkasty które otwierają oczy.
The parts of the video where you put your comments Eric were excellent! I enjoyed reading them.
My dad used to always start our family prayer saying dear Heavenly Father . He never just started with Jehovah .
God is Love Support and Love All Unconditionally
@toddhayes3506 Very true. He loved us while we were still enemies and sent His Son to save us. His forgiveness, however, is conditional, as it depends on our repentance.
Jehovah's Witnesses fail to understand that the faithful and discreet slave was a parable, not a prophecy.
Thankyou I really needed to see this today
This elder shows that he can even choose the shepherd book over the Bible. No wonder they say realization is not an overnight thing. With all this reasoning he still mentions about the GB as the discreet slave? 😢
AMAZING !!! (Elders , servants)
Whatever . . .
They ACTUALLY had a Problem . .
Invoking , the NAME OF JESUS !! 🙆🏽♂️
Unbelievable !! 🤦♀️
Most is to do with the EGO and position of authority is a extremely intoxicating drug sadly it's more important then the Truth of the Christ's teachings.
Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1..
Is it truth and accurate original letters and writings of the new testament ~ do not mention the Hebrew god’s name ? Jesus referred to their god as a “manslayer”, etc. ( After all he did slay thousands..
..), Jesus certainly did not portray such a monster ~ did he ! The Watchtower has trained people not to go beyond certain barriers to research for themselves…how ingrained is that ?!
@@darh3375 Your ignore my simple question 😭
Every ex-JW video that recorded a judicial meeting in progress, here on YT; reveals the same blind devotion to the 'organization', 'Jehovah's organization', or the "faithful and discreet slave". "Do you still swear loyalty to these 'imaginary characters"??? Doesn't matter if you pledge allegiance to Jesus Christ and his father Jehovah; the one who Jesus worships. What's always more important is that you pledge allegiance to the 'governing body' of the JW's; because after over 130 years of Christians wanting to be like the "Faithful steward", they suddenly drew the supposition that ONLY THE GOVERNING BODY WAS A FAITHFUL SLAVE!
It just sickens me that JW elders lack the scriptural maturity to see that THEY AND THE GOVERNING BODY have become just like the VERY MEN THAT JW'S HAVE WARNED THEIR MEMBERS ABOUT! Apostate infiltrators; "setting themselves up as gods in the temple of THE GOD, false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into angels of light." 2 Thess. 2: 4, 10;....2 Corinth. 11: 13-15 And that these dimwit elders totally ignore the following scriptures and more: Psalm 146: 3-6,...Jeremiah 17: 5;.....1 Corinth. 1: 12, 13----".....each one of you says, "I belong to Paul, or I belong to Cephas; or I belong to Apollos; and 'I belong to Christ'. (we could add, for the sake of the principle; "I belong to the organization;" or I belong to the 'faithful and discreet slave.'"!!)...."but the Christ exists divided. Paul was not impaled for you. Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?".......Or were WE baptized in the name of the governing body? Did the governing body impale themselves for us? Were we baptized in the name of "the organization"?? (I guess in recent years; they've actually added the "organization" words to baptismal candidate's vows!)
Unfortunately to your final point, those in recent years have been baptized in the name of "Jehovah's spirit anointed organization", not simply in the name of Jesus Christ.
@@aiercooledengine Oh, is that right? Thanks for that insight. That expression is even worse than the one before!😅 Now the organization is anointed by God??!! Good grief!
@@connormusic9274 perhaps you misunderstood me... I am agreeing with you.
@@aiercooledengine Yes, I'm sorry! We are misunderstanding each other and that's my fault. My comment was also in agreement with your expression! It was a sincere question; as I did not know that the JW org. changed the words in the baptismal vows talk again. The JW org. feels that the organization is now anointed, too; it sounds like!😂😄 Thanks again, as I appreciated your comments. God be with you.
Actually the questions changed again in 2019 Org book
"Have you repented of your sins, dedicated yourself to Jehovah, and accepted his way of salvation through Jesus Christ?
Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization"
Even Holy spirit is not involved now
One of the most telling points in the whole piece for me when the Elder tries to dissmiss the point that Joss made about The JWs involvement with The UN. He seemed quite happy to gloss over it and even dissmiss it as sonething trivial and of no or very little consequence or concern ! There can be no better way of illustrating their lack of understanding the situation nor the significance of such a betrayal ! They as always stick to the company line almost like party politics ! It really does show them up as Hypocrites because they would expect everyone else they meet in the course of their ministry toexhibit some kind of critical thinking when they themselves refuse to do so. When we ask why we must answer that they are almost like a robot, there is no connection with truth or right, just simply hard wired like a robot through indoctrination. They really are like the thought police of George Orwell's "1984" book and film, conditioned to think and act without thought, humanity or presence of mind. They like me (if they ever wake up) will be so amazed and even embarrassed by the reality and wonder how on God's earth they didn't see it sooner ! It seems so obvious once the blinkers come off.
25:11 Boom Eric. Such a great scriptural reference, and we live that now since our anointing.
was at Brighton UK assembly was all videos on a screen thats how its all changed
I saw a picture and it looked empty 😲
Can’t watch those dramatic fear mongering videos, or symposiums of great length.
I have much love for you, you did help me wake up. But i believe in the trinity, would love to talk
I have a series of videos exposing the fallacies of the Trinity doctrine. More are coming, but there are other issues more urgent pending. It is an old debate, but the point is that the research is out there is you care to examine in critically. I have. I've heard all the arguments, many times over, and I see the flaw in all of them, so while I appreciate you are motivated from a place of sincerity, there's nothing you can add to the Trinity argument that hasn't been aired for centuries.
Great Job Thanks
So as previously asked what type of building are we, as Joss paraphrases, we belong to Christ and Christ belongs GOD. 1Co 3:21- 23. The temple of the living God.
@18:54 Joss should ask the elders, what conflict did you hear?"
to see if they were listening.
Is it not now the case that the GB claim that they WILL BE acclaimed the Faithful servant in the FUTURE.
They are NOT (yet) the FDS..but they demand obedience...lording it over their fellow servants
Relatively recently, WT teaches that Christ will only inspect the Governing Body when He comes in the future in judgment during the Great Tribulation… and He WILL find them to have been faithful and He WILL appoint them “over all his belongings”
“When Jesus comes for judgment during the great tribulation, he **will** find that the faithful slave has been loyally dispensing timely spiritual food to the domestics. Jesus **will then delight in making the second appointment** - over all his belongings. Those who make up the faithful slave **will get this appointment** when they receive their heavenly reward, becoming corulers with Christ.” (w13 7/15 p.25 par.18)
Given the backdrop of their erroneous claims over a 100+ year period, instead of saying humbly that they are doing their best and that they really hope that Jehovah will be pleased with them when He inspects them, they have the presumption to claim that He WILL find them faithful.
The Governing Body have not yet been appointed as the Faith and Discreet Slave, not only have they claimed to be in the past when they were not the FDS, they still continue to do so.
Amazing, it is a foregone conclusion, in spite of all of Jesus’ warnings to the contrary.
The passage in Luke 12 shows that the (favourable) judgement of the servant is NOT a forgone conclusion (for the disciples, the Governing Body or anyone). The parable discusses the punishments of (i) a servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows and (ii) a servant who does not know the master’s will and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. Note that more time is spent discussing the various punishments of unsatisfactory servants than the reward of the faithful one.
Even Matt 24 discusses the possibility of the servant being punished for “lording it over” his fellow servants.
“Jesus will be delighted in putting us in charge of all his possessions”.
The decision has already been made, in advance of His judgement, by the Governing Body on Christ’s behalf, it has effectively been snatched out of Christ’s hands. He WILL choose them when he comes.
In effect, it would appear that they answer to no one, not even to Christ Himself.
Joss brought up my point of what happened between the apostles and till now days. And they have no idea what happened and who is the true religion .
When i came into the jws they said Jesus arrived invisibly in 1914 ,and if he arrived invisibly at that time ,then how did they see him,and i know they said because WW1 broke out etc ,but my question is ,so these imperfect men can perceive ,invisible spiritual events? then when they always get it wrong ,if they have this special gift ,why do they always say ,we have new light, SMH ,these guys are lost as lost can be.Matthew 15:14,Matthew 23:16-17
Why does that elder keep saying Jehovah, Jesus, and the organization ? These men are really lost as 2CORINTHIANS 4:4 says they are really brainwashed its sad.
Which church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1.
What's your view on the prophecy of peace and security and then great tribulation will come. So many sick ane depressed are waiting for this day
Good questions which plague the minds of exJWs. I've written about these important topics after researching them exegetically. I would recommend you go to our Web Site "Beroean Pickets" and use the search feature to get the answers you're looking for fully explained.
Go to: beroeans.net
If these elders listened to themselves on tape, they may just wake themselves up.
Anyone here who thinks he knows the Bible better than this JW can feel free to bring it on. Right here right now.
I recommend we begin with the identity of the MOST HIGH GOD.
Luke Ch.1:32NIV"He will be great and will be called the Son of the MOST HIGH. The LORD God will give him the throne of his father David,"
John Ch.10:29NIV"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than ALL c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. "
The God and Father of Jesus christ is the MOST HIGH God and thus is co equal to no one.
John Ch.8:54NIV"Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. "
According to Jesus his God and Father is the one and only God of Israel . By common consent the God and Father of Jesus is not triune. Therefore the one and only God of Israel is not triune.
John ch.20:17NIV"Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”"
The God and Father of Jesus is not triune by common consent . The God and Father of Jesus is also the God and Father of Jesus' disciples . Therefore the God and Father of Jesus' disciples is not triune.
Matthew Ch.24:36NIV"“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, f but ONLY the Father. "
ONLY the God and Father of Jesus Christ is omniscient thus only the God and Father of Jesus Christ is the MOST HIGH God.
Roman's Ch.1:9EHV"To be sure, (the)God, whom I serve with my spirit by proclaiming the gospel of his Son, is my witness to how constantly I make mention of you. In all my prayers, "
Roman's Ch.3:30NIV"since there is only ONE(Grk.eis) God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. "
Paul was an actual monotheist and thus rendered exclusive sacred service to one most high God. Whom he clearly identifies as the God and Father of Jesus Christ.
Matthew Ch.16:16NKJV"Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”" not merely the living Father but the living God to whom all believers owe EXCLUSIVE Devotion/Sacred Service.
Malachi Ch.2:10NIV"Do we not all have one Father b ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?"
The God and Father of Jesus Christ is the only true God.
How about committing on what was said in the video
@@ericbulman1752 it is a tacit claim to have a superior understanding of the Bible because my teachers are nothing but a bunch of power hungry charlatans. So I eagerly await a demonstration of this supposedly superior Bible scholarship, I suggest we begin with the identity of the most high God.
Luke Ch.1:32NIV"He will be great and will be called the Son of the MOST HIGH. The LORD God will give him the throne of his father David,"
John Ch.10:29NIV"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than ALL c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. "
The God and Father of Jesus christ is the MOST HIGH God and thus is co equal to no one.
John Ch.8:54NIV"Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. "
According to Jesus his God and Father is the one and only God of Israel . By common consent the God and Father of Jesus is not triune. Therefore the one and only God of Israel is not triune.
John ch.20:17NIV"Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”"
The God and Father of Jesus is not triune by common consent . The God and Father of Jesus is also the God and Father of Jesus' disciples . Therefore the God and Father of Jesus' disciples is not triune.
Matthew Ch.24:36NIV"“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, f but ONLY the Father. "
ONLY the God and Father of Jesus Christ is omniscient thus only the God and Father of Jesus Christ is the MOST HIGH God.
Roman's Ch.1:9EHV"To be sure, (the)God, whom I serve with my spirit by proclaiming the gospel of his Son, is my witness to how constantly I make mention of you. In all my prayers, "
Roman's Ch.3:30NIV"since there is only ONE(Grk.eis) God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. "
Paul was an actual monotheist and thus rendered exclusive sacred service to one most high God. Whom he clearly identifies as the God and Father of Jesus Christ.
Matthew Ch.16:16NKJV"Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”" not merely the living Father but the living God to whom all believers owe EXCLUSIVE Devotion/Sacred Service.
Malachi Ch.2:10NIV"Do we not all have one Father b ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?"
The God and Father of Jesus Christ is the only true God."
@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 the video was not about who the God and Father of Jesus Christ is .
I’ll be fair on one thing though, a lot of Christians pray saying God a lot. It irks me a bit but sometimes I’m guilty of it lol.
I would be interested to know how many people Joss has shunned over the years and how many families he has destroyed with his 45 years of JW pedantry? Does he take any responsibility for the damage he has done to various individuals and families as a serving elder of the JW cult?
Does it matter to you that like the apostle Paul Joss has had his eyes opened and is openly witnessing for Christ?
The host of this video channel was a JW elder for 40 years. Do you not think he has internal regrets over the pain he has caused others who were disfellowshipped for less than serious reasons or without mercy? As an ex-elder myself; I do. As thousand of men like me.
I cannot speak for Joss, here; but since this is only recent step in his life; I'm sure those regrets will hit him sooner or later. The important thing for a Christian to remember is, will I forgive the person? And up to how many times? Jesus told his disciples "forgive a person up to seventy-seven times", as matter or emphasis on the point he was making. Jesus forgave serious sinners who had made a practice of their sins for years before they repented.
The Apostle Paul, in his inspired letter to the Corinthians, gave us the Godly definition of the quality of "love" and what it entails. Among other things, "love does not keep account of the injury;....love hopes all things, believes all things." greek language expositors define these words with the implication that love hopes for positive outcome and changes in a person's conduct; it "believes all things", not by being credulous, but by believing that a good outcome for even the worst of sinners is possible. (1 Corinth. 13: 4-8)
@@aiercooledengine No. I’m an atheist. I like the truth and an admission of one’s true deeds before reconciliation, not a propaganda piece wiping away 45 years of damage to others.
Joss referred to a incident in Australia in 2011 that caused the GB to say that the "faithful and discreet slave" is only them. What was he referring to?
I'm wondering also here
Can anyone shed light on this please
Australia royal commission
An abused brother in Australia blamed the whole anointed brothers left on earth and attempted to take them to court for their flawed policies on dealing with child abuse. They were at that time in Watchtower history all "The slave" and The Gov. Body saw that they were exposed financially so changed the slave understanding to just The Governing Body in order to protect their financial assets, sound familiar ?
@@karissaeaton3994 that's what I initially thought, but that didn't happen until 2015
shalom, pourquoi et par qui mes messages sont-ils effacés ???
WT is political the scriptures don't matter its the Organization structure from the top down, and their dictates of Gb /Org policies.
if u left the truth u will pay dearly
Correct. But Joss, isn't leaving the truth, he's leaving false religion.
The Jehovah's witness organization is not the truth and is not teaching the truth. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life
If Jesus was observing to see who was being a faithful slave, he certainly wouldn't have picked J.F. Rutherford! Rutherford's interpretations/predictions were completely wrong. The whole religion is based on falsehood. How can any thinking person base their faith on someone who was so wildly wrong? Except for the fact that the average JW won't research anything because the GB tells them they don't need to because, "we have done it for you." Don't think, we will do that for you too! It's no wonder they tell them to search out the lowly, (uneducated) ones; it ensures the people will listen only to what they say and won't have the intelligence or desire to look any further! It's why they have so many videos for impressionable children. If you tell someone the same thing for decades of their life it becomes "truth." I thank God every day he woke me up!
28:00 14 Jehovah’s…..wow……that’s a lot of Jehovah’s in such a short prayer.😮🙄
The Scripture speak no where of others than Christ himself directing his people Matthew 28 tells us by saying the he would be with them all the Days until the conclusion of the system of things, the means in which he has accomplished this is by the Holy spirit, not any man or men pretending to be his successor just like the popes and Mormon Quorum of twelve and a so called "Governing Body" the word cannot be found anywhere in the Scriptures has led people to believe .
Should we not be witnesses of Jehovah and Jesus? Isaiah 43: 10
@Dlaine_Brun The Jews were Witnesses of Jehovah, but He tells us to be witnesses of this Son. (Acts 1:8; 10:41-43; 13:31; Revelation 1:9; 12:17)
@@BeroeanVoicesWhich church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1..
@@BeroeanVoicesWe are also witnesses of God.
1 Cor 15:15 (ASV): "we are found false witnesses of God; because we witnessed of God that he raised up Christ."
Rev 11:7 (CEV): "After the two Witnesses have finished preaching God's message..."
Rev 11:7 (Remedy): "When they have finished telling the world the truth about God..."
To be a witness about Jesus' resurrection is to be a witness of God (1 Cor 15:15).
@@davidagnew8792 I agree with you, but I also notice how you avoided answering the crucial question I posed.
It's still ok to be witnesses of Jah since he is God. It doesn't only apply to the Jews. Jesus, the son & King wouldn't object.
This is staged
Yes it attempted to be staged by those elders, however the analysis shows the truth as Joss Goodall so ablely pointed out.
surely though its the recognition that its what the JW`s are ?? and its the individual choice whether you accept it or not ~~its just you did not work it out in the beginning
@Sportliveonline If that were the case, if they advertised what they are really like, then I doubt my parents would have entered, and I doubt they would have allowed me to be raised as one. But isn't that true of all religion?
@@Sportliveonline man made religion is all about money and control with fear 😨
@@BeroeanVoices i agree thats why there are thousands of sects
I would be interested to know how many people Joss has shunned over the years and how many families he has destroyed with his 45 years of JW pedantry? Does he take any responsibility for the damage he has done to various individuals and families as a serving elder of the JW cult?
Just one. The individual in question left his wife and posted photos of her all over the area warning others to shun her. He even posted photos of her outside shops to try to stop her from shopping.
So yes guilty as charged.
@@JossGoodall I don’t believe for a second that you’ve only shunned one person in 45 years. It’s nonsense.
If you don't believe the answer don't ask the question.
It's always good not to make judgements on matters you have no evidence on.
Suppositions are just that, nothing else.
I am happy to put my name and the congregation I attended up front.
@@JossGoodall it defies belief. You would have disfellowshipped, sorry removed, many people over the years in your role as elder.
Yes I suppose it does defy your belief, the question is does it defy the facts.
In order to assess that evidence must be put forward.
Do you have that or are you just relying on belief
We are all entitled to believe what we want to and you have that right.