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Yes, this is true of conventional cars, but an autonomous taxi will [hopefully] be so unlikely to crash that it's more likely to be rear ended while stopped. In that case. forward facing is safest
Comfy seats. Nice environment. Good sound and displays. Easy to get in and out. Room for groceries. I'm sure they've nailed the basics and then piled radical innovations on top of it.
Rear-facing is the safest passenger orientation in the event of a head-on collision, NOT forward facing. This is why infant seats face the rear of the vehicle.
One idea I've had for a while (I'm sure others have too) is a robotaxi van that would double as an office/hotel room. You could order one to your house at night and sleep in it and wake up at your destination. Sort of like a point to point sleeper car.
Los angeles to new york =2800 miles at 25 cents per mile = 700 dollars. So 13 cents per mile is 350 dollars cross country. Just chilling and seeing the sights in private cab-in. (Not bad)
My bet is that they will introduce 2 models: 1. A 2 seater for short city riders 2. A van that would allow for larger space for longer rides, family rides and airport rides where family has baggage. It’s such a huge market that they can easily introduce 2 vehicles.
There is so clearly an Elon down through the ranks allegiance to the retail investor community. All the more after the retail investor community championed the approval of his pay package this 2nd time.There is nothing quite like it that I have seen. Truly unique in the industry. And could Franz be sitting in a blurred out Robotaxi? This seems like the kind of easter egg Tesla would put out there.
Oh yes he knows where the suckers are and it’s no wonder he was smiling like a Cheshire Cat throughout the whole presentation. Musk the Messiah in his magical cult following.
Expand the concept of the individual mobile, fully connected mini-lounge vehicle to road trip tour groups with additional mobile luxury features, like restaurants and sleeper cabins 😊 I'd much prefer traveling this way than to be jammed into economy airline seating for medium to long trips. It would feel more like a guided tour through Disneyland at that point.
Rear facing is much safer for a head on crash. Ask any safety engineer. The headrest will provide much better protection for rear seated passengers and it avoids that nasty head whiplash that causes the most injury and death before the airbag and shoulder restraints were invented. Front facing seats are more of a rider preference than for safety reasons.
If I were building a cyber-cab, it would have front seats that could face either fowards or back. The rear seats could convert to a desk for rear faceing front seats. It would be as aerodynamic as possible around the desired pasenger compartment. 4 people could have a standard or coversationl group. A commuter could face foward for the view or face the rear desk without danger of hitting it in a crash. The rear faceing seat could be highly reclined to allow sleeping but still support ocupant in a crash.
I would pay $150 -$200 for an all Electric Road trip FSD, in a lounge style setting "One Way" trip to and From Phoenix Arizona to Los Angeles Corridor. That would compete with AirFare, with 3 Stops to a Charger and Bathroom.
Cost of the vehicle and its maintenance will be hugely important to expanding the TAM of robotaxi beyond the TAM of Uber and Lyft today. They may have luxury options in the future, but the initial rollout will be compelling even without any fancy amenities. Just being able to recline, sleep, work, watch a movie on your laptop etc, at a price that's cheaper than owning a car, will be enough of a value proposition.
Initially I think the Robotaxi will be an inexpensive small automobile. However for those willing to pay more for the ride, one could offer the customer larger vehicles with deluxe accommodations. Great discussion, great video! Thank you!
THE big question is whether the Tesla RT will be like the artist impressions we have seen so far: a small 2-seater? "Small" would mean it will be easier to maneuver through traffic. More economical too since a 2-seater would be able to cater to 90 percent of all mobility demands. Btw, I have heard 15 minutes of this video, and so far I have only heard words - words - words to describe vaguely nothing.
I think it will be able go either way front or back … more along the lines of a tram or trains. Dual motor and whichever direction it is moving is the Front and the seats swivel to the direction you are traveling. You build the one model for both right and left hand drive as you will not have steering wheel.🤯🤯
Assuming a head-on collision is more likely, it’s safest to sit facing backwards. Military aircraft sit facing backwards for this reason. Should be the same for all aircraft BTW if safety is the prime concern.
I’m with Hans in that the cab will be an exotic-looking 2 seater like the sketches. A box cab will look way too generic. Creating the “attractive” cab is what will drive word of mouth and help Tesla gain lots of traction.
Herbert seems too confident … could it be he has a friend that is involved in the design of the Robotaxi who has given him a sneak preview!?? 😮😊 I believe a lounge has video, connectivity to the external world with a super stereo communication system (with Starlink) .. the onboard hostess will be Grok that can help get information, put on music, read emails, have audible books capability, make calls, can connect to the persons home to prepare the temperature, the music that is playing when you get home, can take notes, make reservations at restaurants, hotels, write emails using voice and connecting to the person’s contacts … essentially the taxi will be an extension of your habits, favorite tools, be able to make and record conversations and conference calls between anyone in the taxi and another location of another taxi … using a zoom like ambiance!! Not bad as a starter.. right!?? I would call it the MOBILE AI LOUNGE … anything goes in terms of comfort, safety, entertainment, productivity …. also the seats will be able to vibrate to relax.
Why wouldn't it be "Canoo Van" style body with front and rear being the same and seats facing middle. Automation would turn on needed head or tail lights depending which direction it was moving. Sliding doors each side would allow minimal clearance opening/access.
Herbert, Is it time for you and your experts to cover charging and cleaning the cyber cab? Will Tesla have Supercharger attendants to plug in and inspect your car for the next rider until the self charging / cleaning systems are everywhere?
Seriously! Backwards facing is a lot safer than forward facing. The reason seats are forward facing is who fold. First, you need to see where you drive. Second, a lot of people get nauseous from facing backwards. Baby seats are backwards facing, and the babies hate it.
Herbert remember the Cybercab and the new lower cost car were originally going to be variations of the same vehicle. The decision to go with the Cybercab first seems to favor it being the smaller form factor.
Maybe someday when all vehicles are autonomous and communicating with each other, the interior could be quite different, maybe no seatbelts any ability to move around
Don’t know about you, but my lounge is far bigger then the largest car on the market. Tiny lounge can still be a box style car. I agree with Herbert and I said this before. To me its an obvious move.
The ability to stand up is only provided in larger vessels that hold a number of people who must walk in and out. This is a safety requirement for emergency exit, but not required for a two or four seater since everyone is always next to a door. Also, you can't have people standing up while moving, like in planes/trains/buses because the risk of accidents is much higher. A limo experience seems the most likely. Sit or lay down. Snacks and drinks. Climate controls and entertainment on your own monitor. Most certainly some kind of fold-out table.
If you don't have a steering wheel, hou do not need a dashboard. Gives you a lot of freedom to change the design. e.g. you could have the screen(s) hanging from the roof, which might allow for a more comfortable reclined position. Since you do not need to look outside, one could also put in windows that become opaque at will for privacy and less glare while watching the screen.
You're not going to be standing or walking around in any car- sized vehicle. That's only safe in large buses where you're less likely to be slammed to a stop in a common crash. Sitting, buckled in, will be the plan.
@hans Where did you get the info that forward-facing is safer? Little children are constrained to sit in BACKWARD facing child-seats until they are big enough to be safe in forward-facing carseats.
Military transport also does this, but with the air bags configuration Tesla uses they claim a passenger doesn't really need to wear a seat belt. Perhaps that's his reasoning.
I really think that we need a new concept for the robotaxi. Maybe the first design can be a standard car version but I feel everyone will want a more laid back design.
So far robotaxi does not seem to be designed for families with children unless the form factor is van like with seating up to 5-7 people. Perhaps robotaxi will be a family of vehicles for different customers.
Are you sure forward facing seats are safer, I understand most people like facing the direction of travel but I’m pretty sure the aviation industry did work on this and rearward facing seats came out as much safer, I don’t know if the RAF transports still have rearward facing seats but they certainly used to.
Ten years from now we will look back incredulously that people actually used things called steering wheels and brake pedals to control dangerous, not computer controled, poisonous exhaust vehicles
Why Elon may have mentioned Optimus and Neuralink. In the future there may be a van type CyberCab with an Optimus robot to assist those with mobility issues where someone with Neuralink can order a Cybercab and tell it where that person wants to go. Opitums would assist the person get in and out, load the wheelchair, etc..
The regulators will insist that when a car is "'self driving it does not break the speed limit because if there is an accident the regulator will be blamed for allowing cars to break the speed limit.
Look at everything Cruise has said about what the Origin *would eventually* be able to do. It will be interesting to see where Tesla differs and where attributes may converge. Gosh I really want to see Tesla reveal this thing. GM should absolutely be licensing FSD tech & integrate it into their vehicles and maybe help Cruise with their inference compute & hardware stack, haha!!!
I guess I am struggling with the business model for the rural or non-urban residential areas. If I need to go to the store do I need to schedule a robotaxi? How about when I am ready to leave (I was there maybe less than 10 minutes) do I need to schedule and wait for the robotaxi to arrive and take me home? It just seems like it will become very unreliable in mass. I am used to driving my own car, parking and then just driving home when I am ready.
I think the first robo-taxi's will be off lease converted model 3 and model Ys in early 2025, months before the new dedicated cyber cab/ under $25k car.
Maybe just maybe when Elon mentioned the Neuralink and loss of limbs kind of out of context. Why would the Optimus arms and hands that would be so human like not work on a human with Neuralink chip as the control ? 🤷♂️
I’m with Herby. Cost of the vehicle is going to be negligible for robotaxi and Elon and friends will want as innovative an experience for the customer as possible. I think the robo reveal is gonna be another Cybertruck moment where it’s super different from what most people expect. Sad to see even Tesla misspeaking about FSD though. FSD is nowhere near as safe as the average human driver. FSD+Human is safer.
The key comment for me was “loosing control”, in other words “letting go” which for a lot of drivers is interpreted as “taking away”, the future is very exciting!
14:24 Where’s the safety data on rear-facing seats? How about seats are designed to absorb impact, to reduce deceleration just like an explosive airbag? For young kids, rear facing works better. For family interaction, it’d be nice to face your kids. Even now, a large proportion of road deaths is from people not wearing seatbelts. And airbag use continues to multiple, over a dozen now. Just removing the glass windshield & rigid steel steering column is huge advance. I think shifting passengers away from doors would be safer in event of T-bone. ie Face-to-face seating with single central doorway.
I highly doubt Tesla does a Cruise or Zoox style carriage for their first robotaxi. Eventually but not first. To scale it worldwide, you have to optimize unit cost and efficiency. Pennies matter. A design similar to the one in the Isaacson book would have more room and easier ingress/egress than the backseat of a chauffer-driven Rolls Royce.
Two seat compact car. Why? Because it's the lowest cost, most efficient way to cover the majority of the market. It won't be a van/bus (at least not at first) because it would constrain the numbers that could be put on the road quickly. BTW, a conventional car is already a tiny lounge for everyone but the driver.
If Franz is sitting in a CC (Cybercab), it would appear that it is gull wing like the X. An expensive way to execute, but it wouldn't matter to spend some more money to enhance functionality with the cab duty cycle and it's attendant profitability. Ease of use and friendliness would trump cost.
Herbert is way off with the standing space. Maybe for the larger bus like vehicles but the robotaxi will be car shaped with extra space for legs. I’d put money on it
Putting "skin" on Optimus was underwhelming like saying you can put whatever vinyl wrap on it like the Cybertruck. There are humanoid Robots now like Sophia that can do facial expressions and covered with fleshlike rubber.
Think Hans is suffering from faster horse fallacy (Tony Seba) . Not a faster horse 🐴. So think of robotaxis as private public transport. A bus. A living room. And backwards facing is safer.
All these lounge comments from Franz and Elon bode well for a robovan or cybervan being one of the form factors they debut as part of the robotaxi debut.
I can’t believe all you Tesla fans accept accept what Elon says so uncritically. There is a long path to Tesla running robo-taxis if they ever do. FSD needs to get better, many regulatory minefields, political issues, platform development, insurance liability issues, untold weird edge cases and emergent issues, uncertain market structure, logistics, maintenance I don’t understand how Tesla can claim FSD is already safer than human driver, so far 12.5 people are still reporting regular interventions 🤷♂️
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13:55 Actually, rear faceing is the safest. Infant car seats and some military transports put the seats in facing the rear for this reason.
Yes, this is true of conventional cars, but an autonomous taxi will [hopefully] be so unlikely to crash that it's more likely to be rear ended while stopped. In that case. forward facing is safest
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Do they ever discuss the negatives because its important to know both sides of the story
@@psngaming3796 Of course. So here’s the challenge - name just three “other sides” and let’s debate them.
Comfy seats. Nice environment. Good sound and displays. Easy to get in and out. Room for groceries. I'm sure they've nailed the basics and then piled radical innovations on top of it.
Rear-facing is the safest passenger orientation in the event of a head-on collision, NOT forward facing. This is why infant seats face the rear of the vehicle.
@@glenw3814 I agree around the safety argument, but many people get carsick facing the «wrong» way
One idea I've had for a while (I'm sure others have too) is a robotaxi van that would double as an office/hotel room. You could order one to your house at night and sleep in it and wake up at your destination. Sort of like a point to point sleeper car.
Los angeles to new york =2800 miles at 25 cents per mile = 700 dollars. So 13 cents per mile is 350 dollars cross country. Just chilling and seeing the sights in private cab-in. (Not bad)
My bet is that they will introduce 2 models:
1. A 2 seater for short city riders
2. A van that would allow for larger space for longer rides, family rides and airport rides where family has baggage.
It’s such a huge market that they can easily introduce 2 vehicles.
We're witnessing history happening before our eyes and most people have no idea.
There is so clearly an Elon down through the ranks allegiance to the retail investor community. All the more after the retail investor community championed the approval of his pay package this 2nd time.There is nothing quite like it that I have seen. Truly unique in the industry.
And could Franz be sitting in a blurred out Robotaxi? This seems like the kind of easter egg Tesla would put out there.
I had the exact same thought :-)
Oh yes he knows where the suckers are and it’s no wonder he was smiling like a Cheshire Cat throughout the whole presentation.
Musk the Messiah in his magical cult following.
Franz is in the car!
I am so happy to be part of this❤️
The future must look like the future.
Expand the concept of the individual mobile, fully connected mini-lounge vehicle to road trip tour groups with additional mobile luxury features, like restaurants and sleeper cabins 😊
I'd much prefer traveling this way than to be jammed into economy airline seating for medium to long trips. It would feel more like a guided tour through Disneyland at that point.
Rear facing is much safer for a head on crash. Ask any safety engineer. The headrest will provide much better protection for rear seated passengers and it avoids that nasty head whiplash that causes the most injury and death before the airbag and shoulder restraints were invented.
Front facing seats are more of a rider preference than for safety reasons.
Side facing is the worst for head whiplash if hit from the front or behind.
Go back and look at the blurred background where Franz was seated - that was the new robocab he was in!
Dang! I also kept saying it sure doesn’t look like a Cybertruck
@@BrighterwithHerbert definitely not the CT!
Haha! You think he'd actually do that???
@@tobepropst6539 they love to feed us hidden hints without actually giving away anything 😎
Tytyty Lars for being able to pictureize what Mr Elon wants BBBEST OF TH BBBEST “ That’s what we’re doing “
Robotaxis will bring the van life phenomenon to a whole new level.
If I were building a cyber-cab, it would have front seats that could face either fowards or back. The rear seats could convert to a desk for rear faceing front seats. It would be as aerodynamic as possible around the desired pasenger compartment. 4 people could have a standard or coversationl group. A commuter could face foward for the view or face the rear desk without danger of hitting it in a crash. The rear faceing seat could be highly reclined to allow sleeping but still support ocupant in a crash.
I would pay $150 -$200 for an all Electric Road trip FSD, in a lounge style setting "One Way" trip to and From Phoenix Arizona to Los Angeles Corridor.
That would compete with AirFare, with 3 Stops to a Charger and Bathroom.
And I would definitely pay $80 to $100 one way Tesla Trip Fare on FSD in a robo Taxi-Sleeper from LA California To Scottsdale Arizona.
Cost of the vehicle and its maintenance will be hugely important to expanding the TAM of robotaxi beyond the TAM of Uber and Lyft today. They may have luxury options in the future, but the initial rollout will be compelling even without any fancy amenities. Just being able to recline, sleep, work, watch a movie on your laptop etc, at a price that's cheaper than owning a car, will be enough of a value proposition.
Initially I think the Robotaxi will be an inexpensive small automobile. However for those willing to pay more for the ride, one could offer the customer larger vehicles with deluxe accommodations.
Great discussion, great video! Thank you!
A different car for the individual commuter than the car to take the family, car seats, luggage, etc.
It might make sense to use a smaller wheel size. Consider range, comfort and cost. A 15" tire costs much less than a 20" tire.
Very good idea!
RoboTaxies must provide my space, not advertisers space.
Let's think of the old conversion vans. That's a possible direction
Robotaxi will be awesome!
First stop a FSD killing people!!
THE big question is whether the Tesla RT will be like the artist impressions we have seen so far: a small 2-seater? "Small" would mean it will be easier to maneuver through traffic. More economical too since a 2-seater would be able to cater to 90 percent of all mobility demands. Btw, I have heard 15 minutes of this video, and so far I have only heard words - words - words to describe vaguely nothing.
I think it will be able go either way front or back … more along the lines of a tram or trains. Dual motor and whichever direction it is moving is the Front and the seats swivel to the direction you are traveling. You build the one model for both right and left hand drive as you will not have steering wheel.🤯🤯
Assuming a head-on collision is more likely, it’s safest to sit facing backwards. Military aircraft sit facing backwards for this reason. Should be the same for all aircraft BTW if safety is the prime concern.
Rear facing is safest but many people hate seating rear facing and also driver needs to be front facing…
I’m with Hans in that the cab will be an exotic-looking 2 seater like the sketches. A box cab will look way too generic. Creating the “attractive” cab is what will drive word of mouth and help Tesla gain lots of traction.
Herbert seems too confident … could it be he has a friend that is involved in the design of the Robotaxi who has given him a sneak preview!?? 😮😊
I believe a lounge has video, connectivity to the external world with a super stereo communication system (with Starlink) .. the onboard hostess will be Grok that can help get information, put on music, read emails, have audible books capability, make calls, can connect to the persons home to prepare the temperature, the music that is playing when you get home, can take notes, make reservations at restaurants, hotels, write emails using voice and connecting to the person’s contacts … essentially the taxi will be an extension of your habits, favorite tools, be able to make and record conversations and conference calls between anyone in the taxi and another location of another taxi … using a zoom like ambiance!! Not bad as a starter.. right!??
I would call it the MOBILE AI LOUNGE … anything goes in terms of comfort, safety, entertainment, productivity …. also the seats will be able to vibrate to relax.
A 2 seater the size of a 4 seater with reclining space and plenty of trunk space will be great.
Why wouldn't it be "Canoo Van" style body with front and rear being the same and seats facing middle. Automation would turn on needed head or tail lights depending which direction it was moving. Sliding doors each side would allow minimal clearance opening/access.
That’s what I’m thinking too. It could double as delivery vehicles without seats. Plus, it makes perfect sense for wheelchairs.
Herbert, Is it time for you and your experts to cover charging and cleaning the cyber cab? Will Tesla have Supercharger attendants to plug in and inspect your car for the next rider until the self charging / cleaning systems are everywhere?
I'm guessing Elon meant to say that someone with the Neuralink chip will be able to interact with the screen etc in the Robotaxi.
Seriously! Backwards facing is a lot safer than forward facing. The reason seats are forward facing is who fold. First, you need to see where you drive. Second, a lot of people get nauseous from facing backwards. Baby seats are backwards facing, and the babies hate it.
Herbert remember the Cybercab and the new lower cost car were originally going to be variations of the same vehicle. The decision to go with the Cybercab first seems to favor it being the smaller form factor.
Maybe someday when all vehicles are autonomous and communicating with each other, the interior could be quite different, maybe no seatbelts any ability to move around
Don’t know about you, but my lounge is far bigger then the largest car on the market. Tiny lounge can still be a box style car. I agree with Herbert and I said this before. To me its an obvious move.
Until 10-10, it's all "Spec-U-Later!"
The ability to stand up is only provided in larger vessels that hold a number of people who must walk in and out. This is a safety requirement for emergency exit, but not required for a two or four seater since everyone is always next to a door. Also, you can't have people standing up while moving, like in planes/trains/buses because the risk of accidents is much higher. A limo experience seems the most likely. Sit or lay down. Snacks and drinks. Climate controls and entertainment on your own monitor. Most certainly some kind of fold-out table.
If you don't have a steering wheel, hou do not need a dashboard. Gives you a lot of freedom to change the design. e.g. you could have the screen(s) hanging from the roof, which might allow for a more comfortable reclined position. Since you do not need to look outside, one could also put in windows that become opaque at will for privacy and less glare while watching the screen.
I think it will be two really comfortable forward and backward facing seats and with amenities like a bar possibly as was mentioned.
You're not going to be standing or walking around in any car- sized vehicle. That's only safe in large buses where you're less likely to be slammed to a stop in a common crash. Sitting, buckled in, will be the plan.
For a sec I thought Elon joining today’s show 😂
@hans Where did you get the info that forward-facing is safer? Little children are constrained to sit in BACKWARD facing child-seats until they are big enough to be safe in forward-facing carseats.
Military transport also does this, but with the air bags configuration Tesla uses they claim a passenger doesn't really need to wear a seat belt. Perhaps that's his reasoning.
Robotaxi design will optimize watts per mile.
FSD still having major issues. Can we get the basics right before we talk about mobile lounges and pretty interior lights.
Imagine working on two tasks at once.
I really think that we need a new concept for the robotaxi. Maybe the first design can be a standard car version but I feel everyone will want a more laid back design.
So far robotaxi does not seem to be designed for families with children unless the form factor is van like with seating up to 5-7 people. Perhaps robotaxi will be a family of vehicles for different customers.
Are you sure forward facing seats are safer, I understand most people like facing the direction of travel but I’m pretty sure the aviation industry did work on this and rearward facing seats came out as much safer, I don’t know if the RAF transports still have rearward facing seats but they certainly used to.
Ten years from now we will look back incredulously that people actually used things called steering wheels and brake pedals to control dangerous, not computer controled, poisonous exhaust vehicles
Could the neuralink mention mean connectivity catered to in the robotaxi?
Now we will have a faster horse that will take you home as you sleep. Like the Doctors of the 19th century after making late night house calls
Why Elon may have mentioned Optimus and Neuralink. In the future there may be a van type CyberCab with an Optimus robot to assist those with mobility issues where someone with Neuralink can order a Cybercab and tell it where that person wants to go. Opitums would assist the person get in and out, load the wheelchair, etc..
A tall vehicle would have a aerodynamic penalty at speeds above 40mph.
The regulators will insist that when a car is "'self driving it does not break the speed limit because if there is an accident the regulator will be blamed for allowing cars to break the speed limit.
Won’t fly when parts of interstate during traffic is running 85. Slow lane running 80
Look at everything Cruise has said about what the Origin *would eventually* be able to do. It will be interesting to see where Tesla differs and where attributes may converge. Gosh I really want to see Tesla reveal this thing.
GM should absolutely be licensing FSD tech & integrate it into their vehicles and maybe help Cruise with their inference compute & hardware stack, haha!!!
I guess I am struggling with the business model for the rural or non-urban residential areas. If I need to go to the store do I need to schedule a robotaxi? How about when I am ready to leave (I was there maybe less than 10 minutes) do I need to schedule and wait for the robotaxi to arrive and take me home? It just seems like it will become very unreliable in mass. I am used to driving my own car, parking and then just driving home when I am ready.
Can't we look to the Tesla Hyper loop interior for what could be on offer?
I think the first robo-taxi's will be off lease converted model 3 and model Ys in early 2025, months before the new dedicated cyber cab/ under $25k car.
Maybe just maybe when Elon mentioned the Neuralink and loss of limbs kind of out of context. Why would the Optimus arms and hands that would be so human like not work on a human with Neuralink chip as the control ? 🤷♂️
I doubt the option to lie down would be possible due to safety concerns. They would need to reimagine the seat belt to enable this.
Looks like Franz is in a car during his interview!! Could it be the robo taxi????
Franz said, in the interview, he was sitting in his Cybertruck.
when do you think they will have full end to end operational fsd car and operational robotaxi? 6 months, a year ... two years ? etc ...
I’m with Herby. Cost of the vehicle is going to be negligible for robotaxi and Elon and friends will want as innovative an experience for the customer as possible. I think the robo reveal is gonna be another Cybertruck moment where it’s super different from what most people expect.
Sad to see even Tesla misspeaking about FSD though. FSD is nowhere near as safe as the average human driver. FSD+Human is safer.
The key comment for me was “loosing control”, in other words “letting go” which for a lot of drivers is interpreted as “taking away”, the future is very exciting!
Should they tighten control?
Damn Hebert seems convinced that the Robotaxi will look *nothing* like the concept seen in the Isaacson Bio. Dang
Think of first class air travel, that is a lounge.
Now, subtract the toilet.
14:24 Where’s the safety data on rear-facing seats?
How about seats are designed to absorb impact, to reduce deceleration just like an explosive airbag?
For young kids, rear facing works better.
For family interaction, it’d be nice to face your kids.
Even now, a large proportion of road deaths is from people not wearing seatbelts.
And airbag use continues to multiple, over a dozen now.
Just removing the glass windshield & rigid steel steering column is huge advance.
I think shifting passengers away from doors would be safer in event of T-bone.
ie Face-to-face seating with single central doorway.
I highly doubt Tesla does a Cruise or Zoox style carriage for their first robotaxi. Eventually but not first. To scale it worldwide, you have to optimize unit cost and efficiency. Pennies matter. A design similar to the one in the Isaacson book would have more room and easier ingress/egress than the backseat of a chauffer-driven Rolls Royce.
If practical, I suggest rider selected electrically darkened windows.
I like to drive?
Franz is mvp
Two seat compact car. Why? Because it's the lowest cost, most efficient way to cover the majority of the market. It won't be a van/bus (at least not at first) because it would constrain the numbers that could be put on the road quickly. BTW, a conventional car is already a tiny lounge for everyone but the driver.
Holy crap cybernetic limbs wow 🤯🦾
Self cleaning spray disinfectant system ? UV light sanitizer?
If Franz is sitting in a CC (Cybercab), it would appear that it is gull wing like the X. An expensive way to execute, but it wouldn't matter to spend some more money to enhance functionality with the cab duty cycle and it's attendant profitability. Ease of use and friendliness would trump cost.
A robotaxi with x wing Doors maby ?
No Herbert, it will be a two seater sub-compact.
Neuralink came up because you'll be able to ride hail a Tesla just by thinking about it.
Imo robotaxi will not be big and tall until battery technology improves to the point aerodynamics isn’t really important anymore.
Robo taxis, Robo, limos, Robo campers, Robo semis, the list is long. Robo mobile hotel rooms if you have another idea add to this list..
NHTSA is going to have a problem with lying down.
Herbert is way off with the standing space. Maybe for the larger bus like vehicles but the robotaxi will be car shaped with extra space for legs. I’d put money on it
Putting "skin" on Optimus was underwhelming like saying you can put whatever vinyl wrap on it like the Cybertruck. There are humanoid Robots now like Sophia that can do facial expressions and covered with fleshlike rubber.
Think Hans is suffering from faster horse fallacy (Tony Seba) . Not a faster horse 🐴.
So think of robotaxis as private public transport. A bus. A living room. And backwards facing is safer.
anyone knows how old Herbert is?
27
Early seventies. He looks great!
444 years young. He invested in Tesla early. Became a trillionaire and has him Time Machine to travel around as he likes
Cheers
I bet Elon’s been in a lot of little lounges. He probably has some great ideas!
In his private jet
Totally wrong. In a collision you are much safer backward facing. You face forward for obvious reasons.
West world
All these lounge comments from Franz and Elon bode well for a robovan or cybervan being one of the form factors they debut as part of the robotaxi debut.
Herbert saying the Tesla Van will wind up being the Cybercab is stupid. Stop being stupid.
I can’t believe all you Tesla fans accept accept what Elon says so uncritically. There is a long path to Tesla running robo-taxis if they ever do. FSD needs to get better, many regulatory minefields, political issues, platform development, insurance liability issues, untold weird edge cases and emergent issues, uncertain market structure, logistics, maintenance
I don’t understand how Tesla can claim FSD is already safer than human driver, so far 12.5 people are still reporting regular interventions 🤷♂️
If this is an example of good behaviour by capitalists then I say it is demonstrably broken.
Herbert. Tesla design cool products people want to have. What you are describing is an ugly VW minivan.