How good is China's J-20 stealth fighter?

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  • Опубліковано 14 кві 2023
  • China's Chengdu J-20 Mighty Dragon was the world's first stealth aircraft to enter service that was designed outside of the United States. Here's a quick rundown on what we know.
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  • @AnimarchyHistory
    @AnimarchyHistory Рік тому +738

    It is superior to the Russian jet for the simple reason that it… you know… works.

    • @thelegitpilot135
      @thelegitpilot135 Рік тому +35

      Damn right. Just watched your second Rounder Table podcast and I was shocked to learn that the weapons bay is about as good as a WWII bomb bay XD

    • @DoorKnnob
      @DoorKnnob Рік тому +12

      ​@@thelegitpilot135 It's superior to Russian jets by engines, avionics etc
      The Bombay works, and is literally similar to the F-22's Bombay
      also you realise that the J-20's purpose is to fire and dip, not dog fight in any situation. If it were to be like that then China would actually put effort to make it dog fight capable.
      Also who really cares if a Bombay is similar to a WW2 Bombay. All it does is open up and fire missiles who's gonna be "picky" on that stuff

    • @SungGui91
      @SungGui91 Рік тому +9

      It's chinese bro, what are you talking about😂
      Besides the radar and targeting system It's a copy of the russian su27 which the us and england have recovered from the war so it's pretty much useless

    • @bigroxxor420
      @bigroxxor420 Рік тому +4

      i think they have more than two operational as well

    • @mr.waffentrager4400
      @mr.waffentrager4400 Рік тому +6

      The Russian one actually fought in a war ... Other places on the other hand...

  • @Roguescienceguy
    @Roguescienceguy Рік тому +173

    An old Japanese saying: There is opportunity where there is arrogance. Never underestimate the Chinese. It's better to overestimate them

    • @yenpham-jb4wo
      @yenpham-jb4wo Рік тому

      The Japanese are also on this side 😂.

    • @penskepc2374
      @penskepc2374 10 місяців тому +7

      They get over hyped so often it's hard to think of them as a real adversary. Remember the AI race we were supposed to be in with China last year? Me neither

    • @ZeroDim
      @ZeroDim 9 місяців тому

      We do overestimate everything other than their air force 😊

    • @lktan224
      @lktan224 8 місяців тому +7

      @@ZeroDimPlease fly your F22 over to Taiwan and see . Do not be cocky.

    • @ZeroDim
      @ZeroDim 8 місяців тому

      @@lktan224 also I personally don't own an F22 so how would a fly over this mystical F22 you speak of

  • @RT-mm8rq
    @RT-mm8rq Рік тому +632

    There's that old saying,
    Never underestimate your opponent.

    • @mikekahotea8148
      @mikekahotea8148 Рік тому +63

      Yup that ol saying "made in China" is a thing of the past

    • @matthewhuszarik4173
      @matthewhuszarik4173 Рік тому

      The problem is the US has been grossly over estimating its near peer opponents since WW2 and it has cost trillions of dollars that could have been spent far more productively. The US grossly over estimated the Soviet Union during the Cold War. When the Soviet Union fell we found out the US military complex had been lying to us, all along and the Soviet Union was nothing but a paper tiger. Then they said Russia is a threat they have cleaned up the corruption and mismanagement and now they really are a threat. Low and behold the US military complex was lying again and Russia is even incapable of beating a nation with a third of the population, one eighth the GDP, and less than one tenth the military spending.
      So no I don’t believe a word that is put out by either China or the US military industrial complex.

    • @otetechie
      @otetechie Рік тому +76

      There is another old saying from that part of the world.
      “Appear strong when you are weak”

    • @jonathanpfeffer3716
      @jonathanpfeffer3716 Рік тому +57

      @@otetechie we overestimate them: we dominate them with an easy victory and minimal casualties
      we underestimate them: we may lose and will certainly take heavy casualties.
      Which scenario sounds better?

    • @Laotzu.Goldbug
      @Laotzu.Goldbug Рік тому +18

      ​@@jonathanpfeffer3716 the problem is it's not that simple. resources are limited so if you overestimate someone and spend resources on countering a strength that they don't actually have then you haven't been able to spend those resources on something else that you may have actually needed. In fact, trying to appear that you have capabilities or things that you don't, especially if you didn't have to spend a lot of money to get them, and getting your opponents to waste lots of money, materials, and Manpower on countering them is one of the oldest tricks in the book.
      At the end of the day the only wise course is an _accurate_ assessment.

  • @greg.peepeeface
    @greg.peepeeface Рік тому +347

    When that canopy was closing, it looked like PVC tubes

    • @biancaortegaa
      @biancaortegaa Рік тому +77

      Knowing china it probably still had the home depot Tag on them

    • @greg.peepeeface
      @greg.peepeeface Рік тому +4

      @@biancaortegaa hahaha 🤣

    • @WarFoxThunder
      @WarFoxThunder Рік тому +1

      ​@@biancaortegaa Lmaooooo

    • @Walter_White_889
      @Walter_White_889 Рік тому

      ​@@biancaortegaaNa since China is a wanna be United States it would be toped emoh

    • @EthanThomson
      @EthanThomson Рік тому +84

      Everyone laughs but literally every fighter has them. They’re either air conditioning pipework, or air ducts for the inflating seal around the canopy

  • @MrDlt123
    @MrDlt123 Рік тому +348

    Nothing's stealthier than the Russian SU-57. - None have been seen in battle yet. 😂

    • @user-gc1hg9sp9k
      @user-gc1hg9sp9k Рік тому +68

      so does F-22 and F-35. The only confirmed Air to air kill of F-22 is shooting chinese weather balloon lol

    • @hollister2320
      @hollister2320 Рік тому +43

      @@user-gc1hg9sp9kDifference is they’ve been ACTUALLY tested against nearly every other ally plane. Esp during Red Flag events where they have a combined record of like 250-1 or something. There’s a reason so many country bought the F35

    • @user-gc1hg9sp9k
      @user-gc1hg9sp9k Рік тому +19

      @@hollister2320 But still those are only exercise, not actual combat.

    • @hollister2320
      @hollister2320 Рік тому +1

      @@user-gc1hg9sp9k the point is the US is the only country to actually showcase their stealth planes in exercises and combat. The only evidence we’ve seen from Russia/China are CGI, just like their “hypersonic” missiles💀

    • @theamericancommie727
      @theamericancommie727 Рік тому

      @@user-gc1hg9sp9k f-22s and f-35s have flown over Syrian s-400s undetected that is about as close as you’re gonna get

  • @boejiden7093
    @boejiden7093 Рік тому +90

    The WS-15 engines have gone into production just recently I believe. J-20’s are being fitted with the new engines which have serrated exhaust nozzles for stealth.

    • @g1llifer
      @g1llifer Рік тому +6

      Yea I also believe I can fly but that's not happening.

    • @accountantthe3394
      @accountantthe3394 Рік тому +27

      @@g1llifer Problem is you can't but they can

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 Рік тому +1

      Don't put much credit into Chinese tech. Engines are the easy part. If they can't copy they can't do! US well into 6th Gen fighter tech thats production ready awaiting congressional approval. Facts. 🇺🇸

    • @Davido50
      @Davido50 Рік тому +1

      ​@Accountant The not real well..unless retired euro pilots are teaching them that is. 🇺🇸

    • @accountantthe3394
      @accountantthe3394 Рік тому +8

      @@Davido50 Nothing of worth to offer Chinese already have, WS-15 is already comparable to P&W's F135 😎🇨🇳

  • @litkeys3497
    @litkeys3497 Рік тому +81

    The front canards were an interesting design choice. I wonder why they went with that as opposed to thrust vectoring for lower cross section?

    • @jonathanpfeffer3716
      @jonathanpfeffer3716 Рік тому +47

      The delta wing design plus the probably very heavy radar in the front makes me think weight distribution reasons (canards provide extra lift in the front).

    • @Lardum
      @Lardum Рік тому +9

      Probably cus they can't make that

    • @randombully3798
      @randombully3798 Рік тому +19

      Because it was not a clean sheet design.
      Chengdu company already designed a 4th gen fighter which looked like russian mig 1.44.
      When the requirement for stealth plane was put forth by chinese government the company tried to make a stealthy version of their already designed fighter.
      The f35'sh/f22'sh shape is the best to get good stealth and good manurability at the same time, that's also the reason why newer designs like turkey's tfx, korean boarme, and indian amca all look like f 22/f35.
      While seeing the digital art of sixth gen fighters it seems they focus more on stealth and less on manurability, those sixth gen fighters will be more closer to b2 spirit bomber than actual fighter jets.

    • @allyourmoney
      @allyourmoney Рік тому +4

      Because the engines are underpowered & it needs canards to maintain lift.

    • @cjwrench07
      @cjwrench07 Рік тому +3

      @@randombully3798 Damn near all the 6th Gen fighter concepts, in the public sphere, still look more like a tailless F-22/YF-23; rather than the A-12 Avenger II flying wing design.
      The additional length of the upcoming next-Gen BVR missiles seems to make a Single-seat flying wing design impractical for internal carry. Although, Combat Aircraft Monthly did publish photos of what seemed to be 2 single-seat flying wing, fighter-sized, aircraft in formation, with “melted back” looking wing ends; about 8-10yrs ago.

  • @martin1377
    @martin1377 Рік тому +136

    Everyone talks about radar cross section when discussing stealth. They NEVER talk about it's IR signature, which on this aircraft is massive!!!

    • @dallasyap3064
      @dallasyap3064 Рік тому +2

      True

    • @Blackreaper95
      @Blackreaper95 Рік тому +16

      To be fair with BVR being a focus it's IR signature is probably irrelevant is it was in a combat situation depending on the opponent.

    • @martin1377
      @martin1377 Рік тому +17

      @@Blackreaper95 No so modern IRST systems are very good. The PIRATE system on the Typhoon is reported to have a range of 50 Miles.
      So if they can see it they can kill it

    • @1lostinspace
      @1lostinspace Рік тому +5

      it’s why the YF23 was a better choice then anything out

    • @pkfiremkice1883
      @pkfiremkice1883 Рік тому

      How about the fact this thing is a literal health hazard to be near?

  • @dannonyogurt98
    @dannonyogurt98 Рік тому +32

    This is a lot scarier that the Su-57 felon because... well they actually built some.

    • @joekingsword2150
      @joekingsword2150 Рік тому

      TRUEEEE

    • @abaani8554
      @abaani8554 Рік тому

      You can literally see rivets on the exterior of the russian one

    • @Marbun_edit
      @Marbun_edit 7 місяців тому

      Some? They already built more then 300

    • @dannonyogurt98
      @dannonyogurt98 7 місяців тому

      @@Marbun_edit Do you need me to explain the joke?

    • @dragicadjuric3635
      @dragicadjuric3635 7 місяців тому

      China beat the US and it's allies in Korea war almost barefoot,they don't need any aviation.

  • @peika8324
    @peika8324 Рік тому +10

    Wow I actually really really like j-20 designs, looks like a spaceship

  • @mk6315
    @mk6315 Рік тому +2

    Nothing seems more fitting than “Chinese plane” and “high speed breakdown” in the same sentence

  • @PatrickCamblin
    @PatrickCamblin Рік тому +21

    You did not mention its range advantage which is hugely important over the Pacific vastness

    • @castanza128
      @castanza128 Рік тому +1

      It's only important to THEM. Because they are still trying to develop their airborne refueling capabilities.
      A lot less important to nations with well-tested airborne refueling.... and carrier groups.

    • @angelaferkel7922
      @angelaferkel7922 5 місяців тому +2

      ​@@castanza128well you know those huge refueling tankers will go down first if a war breaks out. They will be the first target and even some escorts wont do enough if china overruns them in numbers and once they are down, most of US airforce is crippled in that area

  • @Unknown.NotRegistered
    @Unknown.NotRegistered Рік тому +2

    What's crazy is to realize the F-22 is technically obsolete at this point and it still beats newer planes.

    • @mckendrick7672
      @mckendrick7672 Рік тому +1

      I mean, most countries aren't really trying to beat the F22 because it was very built at huge expense that is still hard to justify for the US, nevermind nations with far less money. It's simply a better decision for most countries to produce lots of cheaper aircraft than a few advanced ludicrously expensive aircraft.

  • @RovingRoninEDC
    @RovingRoninEDC Рік тому +8

    Those forward kinards are 2 great big radar reflectors

    • @afrayyy
      @afrayyy Рік тому +1

      kinards

    • @ovni2295
      @ovni2295 Рік тому +1

      If they're deviated from horizontal, yes. But the idea is these are missile delivery vehicles, not stealth infiltrators like the F-22 or F-35. In that regard, some compromises to stealth might be acceptable.
      Really, the J-20 has more in common with the stealth upgrade to the F-15. They're both half-stealth missile boats.

  • @mikekahotea8148
    @mikekahotea8148 Рік тому +8

    "Thousands of time's bigger than the F22 on radar " oops

    • @Youtubeuser1aa
      @Youtubeuser1aa Рік тому

      Are you saying he’s wrong?

    • @mikekahotea8148
      @mikekahotea8148 Рік тому +1

      @@UA-camuser1aa nope it's just the Chinese said the same thing, but the opposite way round. But I suspect the F22 has the upper hand

    • @sethb3090
      @sethb3090 Рік тому +5

      That doesn't mean nonstealthy though. The F-35 is also far bigger (not gonna look up the exact amount or be confidently wrong, but I think it might be like 100x) than the F-22, which is the second stealthiest thing in the sky after the B-2.

    • @mikekahotea8148
      @mikekahotea8148 Рік тому +1

      @@sethb3090 my favorite is the F22 , I've been tracking the review's and found out so much info about it in the past years , to me it's an icon . If you like F35 that's good. I personally don't approve of that plane . F22 is for me yeah 💯👍

  • @Russinh0
    @Russinh0 Рік тому +41

    SU-57 and F-22: Who are you
    J-20: im your both but Bing Chilling

    • @Baronstone
      @Baronstone Рік тому +6

      LOL dude, the F-22 has an RCS of 0.0001 square meters while the SU-57 and the J-20 have an RCS of 1.0 square meters. They are not in the same league as the SU-57 and J-20 can be detected out to about 157 kilometers while the F-22 doesn't show up on radar until it hits the 16 kilometer range.
      In other words, by the time you detect the F-22, you are already dead.

    • @madanbisht6
      @madanbisht6 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@Baronstonehow many air to air kills f22 have

    • @idk-vx9fz
      @idk-vx9fz 6 місяців тому

      ​@@madanbisht6how many does the j20 or su57 have? Also why does that even matter? F35 or f22 can easily take out enemy fighters its not something that has to be proven bruh

    • @ali-haider5788
      @ali-haider5788 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Baronstone su57 have an rcs of 0.037m²
      The t50 wich is the protoype of the su57 have an rcs of 0.1m²

    • @ali-haider5788
      @ali-haider5788 5 місяців тому +1

      @@idk-vx9fz su57 have the longest air to air kills in history
      First a su24 from 206km using r37m missile
      The second kill is a su27 from 220km using also a r37m
      So the joke is on you

  • @wakannnai1
    @wakannnai1 Рік тому +2

    Basically, it's easily tracked. The F-35 can find it easily and will likely be shot down before it gets a chance to even engage an F-35. Sounds like a great job.

    • @yuluoxianjun
      @yuluoxianjun Рік тому +4

      months ago,China use a warning jet to find the USA F35 in south China sea,then the J20 get close to F35,until 1km near,F35 then find there is a J20 near

    • @dadidadida123
      @dadidadida123 10 місяців тому

      ​@@yuluoxianjunYou don't scare.this guy. Let him live in the dream. Just tell him, China is collapsing soon. They love this.

  • @TeenTeenFpv
    @TeenTeenFpv Рік тому +2

    Also, the J-20 only has forward facing stealth as well as the SU-57. Take a closer look for 90° angles lol

  • @AjitMD
    @AjitMD Рік тому +2

    Sure the J-20 is primitive compared to F-22 and F-35. However, in combat it is combined arms, numbers, logistics, etc. Hopefully, there will be no war.

    • @IntelFormulax
      @IntelFormulax 9 місяців тому

      Yeah peace is the best weapon

  • @QuizmasterLaw
    @QuizmasterLaw Рік тому +3

    Great! If true; I take your word at it.
    How about current Chinese engine production quality?

    • @onlyhereformoney175
      @onlyhereformoney175 Рік тому +1

      ​@@jdo8405the WS-10A isn't used on the J-20, it's apparently supposed to have the stopgap WS-10C which is greatly improved, but not the actual engine it was supposed to get, the WS-15A

  • @jamestuccillo
    @jamestuccillo Рік тому +3

    We'll still take them all out before they know what happened...

  • @FreekaPista
    @FreekaPista Рік тому +1

    Can you add captions to your shorts?

  • @gups4963
    @gups4963 Рік тому +5

    it varies, there is no one set number. I believe the F-22 is .0001 or .0001

    • @loyalhoodini4944
      @loyalhoodini4944 Рік тому +3

      You posted the same number teice

    • @gups4963
      @gups4963 Рік тому +2

      @@loyalhoodini4944 Take away a zero lol. Oh well $hit happens

  • @franmulhern2259
    @franmulhern2259 21 день тому

    The simple fact is we don’t know just how good or stealthy it is, and won’t until the time comes to fight it.

  • @steve4158
    @steve4158 Рік тому +1

    I imagine our intelligence satellites have determined exactly how stealthy the J-20 is, or isn't.

  • @Wonderwhoopin
    @Wonderwhoopin Рік тому +6

    Commercial radar systems track this thing

  • @foundationrepairman5321
    @foundationrepairman5321 Рік тому +1

    The idea is when these things first appeared was carried killers. They were meant to make high speed runs to cover the distances over water quickly engage and destroy the carrier and group. This is what they are going to be used for. High speed attack en masse. Everything is geared to nullify the threat the carrier's pose to land forces and therefore infrastructure, keeping them far off if unable to destroy them outright as designed. Doesn't matter how they right or fly, they just have to fly fast and deliver their payloads on target.

  • @markw208
    @markw208 Рік тому +5

    Don’t kid yourself. The Chinese have made huge leaps forward in all aspects of industry and military in only a few decades, thanks to Western consumer $$$. The Chinese don’t complain about taxes, they can’t. It costs a national fortune to build and maintain a military. In China you must serve in the military. Our military is drastically shorthanded.

    • @user-or3if1zn3w
      @user-or3if1zn3w 6 місяців тому

      I am Chinese and now I have passed the age of joining the military. When I was young, I went to serve in the military because there were too many people and I was not elected

    • @ex0duzz
      @ex0duzz 3 місяці тому +2

      You are right that China made huge advancement but wrong about Chinese having to serve. China doesn't have conscription unlike south Korea or Taiwan etc.

    • @Lightning-lr4bz
      @Lightning-lr4bz 22 дні тому

      wait I had to serve in military? gosh I mustve missed a phone call

  • @pythonboi5816
    @pythonboi5816 Рік тому +1

    whats the J20
    this is the day I realized how much the news is hiding from me

  • @TeenTeenFpv
    @TeenTeenFpv Рік тому +5

    Thats always been China's problem, they are horrible at designing their own engines. They have been waiting for the WS15 engines for 5 years with little progress.

    • @didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204
      @didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204 Рік тому +1

      Making engine is hard tho

    • @ChandranPrema123
      @ChandranPrema123 Рік тому +4

      Horrible what about F135 engine being so advanced and expensive but so damm unreliable?
      Like 70% of F35 are grounded due to F135 being so poor in Reliability

    • @TeenTeenFpv
      @TeenTeenFpv Рік тому

      @@ChandranPrema123 agreed. The F-35 is a POS

    • @m.w9228
      @m.w9228 9 місяців тому

      What about 6 months later? hmm? The situation is reversed now

  • @SomeKrieger
    @SomeKrieger Рік тому

    I find it funny how the F-22’s radar cross section is described as being the size of a bumblebee

  • @unkindguy88
    @unkindguy88 Рік тому +1

    yeah well it can't get wet because the stealth coating would be compromised.

  • @lmcsquaredgreendale3223
    @lmcsquaredgreendale3223 Рік тому +1

    Great to know that China hasn't achieved full stealth capabilities but I wonder if the "friendship without limits" between Putin and President Xi may lead to China building the SU-57 for themselves and for Russia. I hope not.

  • @lance3748
    @lance3748 Рік тому

    Dodge once came up with a sports car called stealth.
    My friend and I were stopped behind a jet black stealth at a freeway exit.
    My friend said, "look at that stealth."
    I replied, "where, I don't see it." 😅

  • @Hobowolverine17
    @Hobowolverine17 Рік тому +1

    The high speed take away from the j20 is that the f35 can see exactly where the j20 is to intercept it. So the j20 is not so stealthy. It's just a long range interceptor, not a true air superiority fighter. If the f35 can see it, then the f22 will creep up on it from behind for a game over using guns instead of missiles since the j20 doesn't have a gun.

  • @SpadesNeil
    @SpadesNeil 8 місяців тому

    I've often said. Russia doesn't scare me. It's a shell of its former self. I've known this since the 2000s.
    _China_ is what scares me.

    • @ASSASIN7-sd5sr
      @ASSASIN7-sd5sr 8 місяців тому

      what scars me more, is Somalia and Afghanistan

  • @mohammedsaysrashid3587
    @mohammedsaysrashid3587 Рік тому +2

    I think F-22 raptors & F-35 B are 5th generation stealth aircraft....big boost & capability... while 4th generation engines ...and its big size isn't suitable for stealth capability

  • @sirdewd2197
    @sirdewd2197 Рік тому

    Is the J-20 RCS calculated before or after the removal of the luneberg lens?

  • @creamcheese7845
    @creamcheese7845 Рік тому +2

    Did one fly over Taiwan and the Taiwanese military didn’t even know 😂

  • @MCapinTV
    @MCapinTV Рік тому

    not gonna lie... that bird looks nice

  • @Matterian
    @Matterian Рік тому +31

    The damn thing is a flying Apartment building. This is a wet paper dragon.

    • @sorashirogami1729
      @sorashirogami1729 Рік тому +4

      Now, you shouldn't discredit them just yet. Even without stealth, they have a pretty good communications and sensors suite, so even without stealth these guys are pretty much 4.5 gen fighters already. And 4.5 gens shoot missiles all the same.

    • @gamingrex2930
      @gamingrex2930 Рік тому +1

      @@sorashirogami1729yeah it’s basically a MIG-31.
      Hilariously bad in a dogfight. If you can reach it that is.
      Hilariously good in BVR.

    • @Remix2366
      @Remix2366 11 місяців тому

      ​@@gamingrex2930judging by the canards and delta I wouldn't claim the agility the be low per say

    • @Remix2366
      @Remix2366 11 місяців тому

      Like to hear that after it shoots down an f15

    • @karldoenitz7142
      @karldoenitz7142 7 місяців тому +1

      对对对,你说的都对,你真是个大聪明。

  • @ikeschrager9903
    @ikeschrager9903 Рік тому +1

    How long is the j20 shit looks long as hell I’m no pilot but I feel like In a dogfight it would be easy to shoot due to it’s size

  • @destinyangel5
    @destinyangel5 Рік тому +1

    F22 has those special letter box exhaust nozzle that mask heat and therefore is even more stealth , whereas the china jet and Russian equivalent still use conventional vectoring exhaust nozzles . These exhausts are not stealthy . Somebody got the wrong blue prints when they tried to copy the F22 .

  • @s.g.r.2773
    @s.g.r.2773 Рік тому +2

    The bigger question is how many flight hours will they get out of them.

    • @castanza128
      @castanza128 Рік тому

      ...and the maintenance costs per flight hour.
      It's Chinese manufacturing, after all.

  • @dbuckleton
    @dbuckleton Рік тому

    what data do we use to assess the f22 RCS?

  • @tomupchurch4911
    @tomupchurch4911 8 місяців тому +1

    So you drank the Kool-aid...

  • @bipolarspock6145
    @bipolarspock6145 Рік тому +1

    India said they have easily tracked it.

  • @garethbgoogle9396
    @garethbgoogle9396 Рік тому +2

    Bro everything is stealthier than the su 57 😂

  • @Turboy65
    @Turboy65 7 місяців тому

    Does it include a phone book so the tiny little pilot can put it on the seat and sit on it so he can see over the dashboard?

  • @ShionWinkler
    @ShionWinkler 9 місяців тому

    All the specs for the J-20 come from the reputable source called "Trust me Bro"

  • @hilairelaplume1616
    @hilairelaplume1616 Рік тому

    Here is a big problem I see with the mighty dragon is that it was engineered around engines they had the time. Which is probably why they have canards . Either way if these new engines are far more capable they're probably going to need a a future redesign for better stealth

  • @seniorslaphead8336
    @seniorslaphead8336 Рік тому

    It's like a bad photocopy of a US jet.

  • @douginorlando6260
    @douginorlando6260 Рік тому

    Designed to do one thing the best … ambush. High speed, long range, stealth from the front quadrant, large weapons bay, large missiles, large radar. And because they did not make it a “Jack of all trades, master of none”, it has the performance to be very successful

  • @tomte47
    @tomte47 Рік тому

    "Based on the most most advance weapon that an F-22 block 20 can carry now, it is not competitive with the J-20 with the most advance weapons the Chinese can put on it."
    LtGen Richard G. Moore, USAF, Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans and Programs
    From a US House Armed Services Committee March 29, 2023
    block 20 are the first 33 planes built that are missing upgrades found in later batches.

  • @brianargo1659
    @brianargo1659 8 місяців тому

    Did anyone else see the PVC under the cockpit? I wonder how many more parts on it that was picked up from Home Depot?

  • @poodlescone9700
    @poodlescone9700 Рік тому +7

    China: Our engineers are huge Macross fans. They suggest we make it like the YF-30 chronos. They could never get the missile or gun pods working, though.

  • @Thebootlegengineer
    @Thebootlegengineer Рік тому +1

    It can’t be worse than the su 57 beracut

  • @ovni2295
    @ovni2295 Рік тому +4

    Everything I've heard about this jet suggests its relative lack of stealthiness does not hurt its intended usage. Its goal is to fly in with its relatively stealthy front towards the enemy, release missiles, and then bug out at high speed before the enemy can scramble anything to intercept it. In that regard, it doesn't matter if you see it, because by the time you do, it has already launched missiles and is on its way out of the combat zone.
    I do not know how much of that is true or even plausible, but it sounds reasonable to my untrained ear.

  • @squidysnose69
    @squidysnose69 Рік тому +6

    Amazing aircraft

    • @anguswaterhouse9255
      @anguswaterhouse9255 Рік тому +4

      Highly underrated, lots of people say that it’s made from stolen (-35 and f-22 designs, but if that’s true then it’s using technology from the best fighter jets in the world so it’s still going to be better than almost anything else

    • @skyserf
      @skyserf Рік тому

      @@anguswaterhouse9255Unless their implementation of the stolen technology is off. And China *did* steal designs for both the F-22 and the F-35. This has been known since 2014.

    • @didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204
      @didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204 Рік тому

      ​@@anguswaterhouse9255 f22 and mig desgin tho

    • @accountantthe3394
      @accountantthe3394 Рік тому +1

      @@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204 F22s aren't canard deltas tho

  • @smithyMcjoe
    @smithyMcjoe Рік тому +5

    So essentiually "not great, better than the su57, but will proceed to be clapped by 35s if they ever kick off" is what I'm picking up.

  • @gwill9472
    @gwill9472 Рік тому +2

    Hopefully it won't be too dangerous, as we'll be at war soon enough against them.

  • @mike4769
    @mike4769 Рік тому +54

    Chinese stealth = rivets exposed

    • @lambo_centernario9064
      @lambo_centernario9064 Рік тому +30

      Russian stealth = exposed phillips head screws holding the whole aircraft together

    • @ChandranPrema123
      @ChandranPrema123 Рік тому

      Well even F22 have Rivets exposed if you look closely at the nose cone section

    • @PavelAVasilevich
      @PavelAVasilevich Рік тому +9

      ​@@lambo_centernario9064 Source Trust me bro

    • @lambo_centernario9064
      @lambo_centernario9064 Рік тому +27

      @@PavelAVasilevich source: videos of the su 57 from Russian sites

    • @Roguecjb
      @Roguecjb Рік тому +8

      ​@@PavelAVasilevich Lol cope

  • @skymaster4121
    @skymaster4121 Рік тому

    China thinking that a knock-off a F35 is as good as the real deal is like if a guy with absolute no training whatsoever thinks he is Bruce Lee just because he imitates his moves and voice sounds…

  • @wstavis3135
    @wstavis3135 Рік тому

    Some "experts" have wildly differing WAGs....

  • @ZleatZ
    @ZleatZ Рік тому +1

    It looks like a mix between a; jas gipen e, f18, f22 and maybe even a bit of f15

    • @onyxfinger7431
      @onyxfinger7431 Рік тому

      Did you just pick a bunch of wildly different aircraft to mention how it looks like an airframe we haven't seen yet ?

    • @Lightning-lr4bz
      @Lightning-lr4bz 22 дні тому

      none of the planes you mentioned have canard wings

  • @hellogoodbyestaysavage6283
    @hellogoodbyestaysavage6283 Рік тому +1

    source : trust me bro

  • @ibrahimn22
    @ibrahimn22 Рік тому +5

    I was shocked they got this far.
    Its a good first attempt and I'm sure the Chinese have built it to surve their needs

    • @skymaster4121
      @skymaster4121 Рік тому +2

      Yes. They need it for propaganda. It wont do any good against an F35 in combat…

    • @zeusradeon4533
      @zeusradeon4533 Рік тому +1

      ​@Indi An Fasod 😂😂😂😂

    • @ssglbc1875
      @ssglbc1875 Рік тому +1

      @@skymaster4121 how would we know we haven’t seen any of these planes in combat with each other or any other nation that’s not a third world country

    • @user-SaputroYono
      @user-SaputroYono 6 місяців тому

      ​@IndiAnFasod DYAM!

  • @Austin-cx2xe
    @Austin-cx2xe 7 місяців тому

    The infrared search and track is likely the same system used in older 4th gen Soviet jets because there’s no way they developed their own.

    • @jaek__
      @jaek__ 6 місяців тому

      Nope. Brand new system.

  • @kre4ture218
    @kre4ture218 Рік тому +27

    Thank you for that breakdown, imo underestimating China would be a big mistake from a NATO point of view

    • @DARTHBLUNT713
      @DARTHBLUNT713 Рік тому +3

      Exactly 💯 just like the USA underestimated the Japanese Zero before WW2 broke out

    • @anguswaterhouse9255
      @anguswaterhouse9255 Рік тому +9

      I think people on the internet underestimate China, I highly doubt the dod is planning for anything less than China being as powerful as their propaganda claims, because what’s the point in preparing for things less than the worst case scenario.
      Another thing is that people underestimate just how hard it would be for China to take Taiwan. It’s a highly populated island which is mostly mountainous and urban environment, there’s something like only 7 viable beaches to land troops at.
      And the US doesn’t need to send forces, it just needs to spam long range missiles at the Taiwan strait to sink amphibious assault ships until China can’t land enough troops for conquest

    • @patrickwright8352
      @patrickwright8352 Рік тому +1

      ​@@DARTHBLUNT713 the irony,like the j20 zero wasn't an indigenous design also

    • @Xiphactinus
      @Xiphactinus Рік тому +2

      Yes, in my opinion people underestimate their capabilities but overestimate their ability to deploy.

    • @jonathanpfeffer3716
      @jonathanpfeffer3716 Рік тому +2

      @@anguswaterhouse9255 Most of that is true, but Taiwan’s government repeatedly just procures the least useful things for themselves. Not naval mines, anti ship missiles, but tanks or even ships. And the ROC military isn’t in particularly great shape morale or training wise. Those are the two things that worry me.

  • @AbruptandOffensive
    @AbruptandOffensive Рік тому

    It’s a knockoff Typhoon Eurofigter and I don’t believe in its stealth capabilities for a single second.

  • @toddabbott781
    @toddabbott781 Рік тому +1

    The F-35 and the AIM-260 would eat those J-20 alive. They are going to detect the J-20 much earlier and be able to fire the AIM-120 long before the J-20 knows what is going on. They can direct the AIM-260 to go out to the side and come in where the J-20 has a MUCH larger radar and IR signature. The missile can then hunt for a lock using Passive radar like the HARM missile does if the J-20 is actively scanning for enemies and as it gets closer get a lock with IR like the AIM-9x does and use both to score a hit. If the J-20 detects the AIM-260 and deploys flares and turns off its radar (both will likely not work anyways) the AIM-260 can switch on active radar like the AIM-120 has. With the range of 200km and speed of Mach 5 it is highly unlikely the J-20 will survive. Meanwhile the F-35 has moved out of the area to find another target and the J-20 never knew it was there until likely when the AIM-260 strikes.

    • @yuluoxianjun
      @yuluoxianjun Рік тому

      F35 radar is worse than j20

    • @toddabbott781
      @toddabbott781 Рік тому

      @@yuluoxianjun On paper maybe. The problem with a brutal dictator is that he tends to be surrounded by yes-men that will only tell him what he wants to hear and not what really happens. This means things like GDP numbers are basically made up to make him happy and the true capabilities is likely far short of what the white papers say.

    • @jaek__
      @jaek__ 6 місяців тому

      ​@@yuluoxianjunnot worse, they are suited for different roles, they're comparable otherwise, the f35 still has a sensor/electronic advantage

  • @Dr.Westside
    @Dr.Westside 8 місяців тому +1

    I'm more interested in the j31 which is the direct ripoff of the f-35 .

  • @Douginont
    @Douginont Рік тому

    Not sure if this is true or not but techs apparently wipe down the aircraft to remove moisture so it doesn't rust. Something in me thinks that this could be true.

  • @zenith_7_7_7
    @zenith_7_7_7 Рік тому

    Quick explanation so china tracked down a crashed F-117 with all the advanced stealth technologies in the multi billion dollar nighthawk they bought it for around 1 billion ish so then they took all the advanced stealth technologies and paint and got some inspiration from the Typhoon and then they made the J-20

  • @andyxu1184
    @andyxu1184 11 місяців тому

    i finally found someone who isnt biased

  • @williamdawson3792
    @williamdawson3792 Рік тому

    Pakistan, India, America, Japan, have all had no problems picking up the J-20. It’s not stealth

  • @DARTHBLUNT713
    @DARTHBLUNT713 Рік тому +2

    It's basically A Chinese Stealth F-111 how I see it😊😂😊

    • @greg.peepeeface
      @greg.peepeeface Рік тому +1

      How is this an F-111? An F-111 is more like comparing it to an SU-34, and the J-20 is more like a delta wing or Euro fighter?

    • @DARTHBLUNT713
      @DARTHBLUNT713 Рік тому +1

      @@greg.peepeefaceby a few things both very long range, both are very large almost in similar size and weights and weapons carry capabilities

    • @greg.peepeeface
      @greg.peepeeface Рік тому +1

      @@DARTHBLUNT713 ohhhhh, ok, got it. Thanks

    • @DARTHBLUNT713
      @DARTHBLUNT713 Рік тому

      @@greg.peepeeface anytime, thank you for pointing out which I forget to mention that together 🙂💯

  • @leeofallon9258
    @leeofallon9258 Рік тому

    I pick our F35 for reasons too numerous to list ... and no, I am not biased: a superior machine in every way!

  • @PRIM1984
    @PRIM1984 Рік тому

    well, here's what I see; a fuselage made for stealth with a front main wing sporting a Cannard and rear main wing, sharp unprotected angles along the wings, fuselage, and tail, uninterrupted circular sections of fuselage for areas such as the nose and engines, and visual camouflage paint (suggesting it is intended for visual range combat).
    all signs that Chinese designers opted to directly copy elements of other planes rather than consider their design impacts.
    this suggests that Chinese stealth and aircraft design doctrine is well behind what they are attempting to put forward.

  • @jd5179
    @jd5179 Рік тому

    Arent Indian military agrees that they can detect them using cold war era radars ? -

    • @awil8891
      @awil8891 Рік тому

      No they can Detctete with ww2 era radrs from. Spain 🇪🇸. To India buy and see j20 Hundars of times per day they can shoot j20 down with gun by a 👦 kids

  • @shawnw6486
    @shawnw6486 Рік тому +1

    just quit comparing things to Russian military equipment. At this point it's about like comparing things to Mexican military equipment. It's all a joke

  • @6foot1
    @6foot1 Рік тому

    It’s the canopy. It’s not gold lined like the US stealth aircraft. The gold lining absorbs some of the radiation.

  • @dallasyap3064
    @dallasyap3064 Рік тому

    Could be a good plane, but China doesn't have a whole lot of amazing fighter pilots.

  • @Yushi232
    @Yushi232 7 місяців тому

    STEALTH IS USELESS WHEN ALL U CAN DO IS HIT A WEATHER BALLON

  • @ExUSSailor
    @ExUSSailor Рік тому

    The PLAN tried to use J20s to penetrate Indian airspace. The Indian Su-30MKIs were able to pick them up on radar at extreme ranges.

  • @adamantturner5019
    @adamantturner5019 Рік тому +10

    It does not have to be the best, it just needs to be good enough. Thanks to the American public for paying for China's military equipment by shopping at Walmart!

    • @hsqueeze6456
      @hsqueeze6456 Рік тому

      i think this is the most sensible comment i have seen on this post

  • @chit4luck
    @chit4luck 4 місяці тому

    One area that is never discussed in these aircraft comparisons is the pilots (experience) who fly them. Great warplanes are only as good as those who are sitting in the cockpits. Or, in the future, whichever AI program was developed from the most realist experiences.

  • @fredmertz1791
    @fredmertz1791 Рік тому +4

    each year, China graduates more engineers.. Than America has in total

    • @Grak70
      @Grak70 Рік тому

      And yet they can’t seem to develop a US peer fighter.

    • @fredmertz1791
      @fredmertz1791 Рік тому +1

      @Grak70 lol, they don't need one..
      They just need to make the fighters five times faster than their enemies.
      In WWII , The Germans had the best tanks and fighters in the world.
      The Tiger tank, the Germans made about 1350 chassis of Tigers.
      The Americans made 55,000 Shermans.
      The Americans made about 19,000 c9mbat aircraft..
      The Germans never had a chance.
      And neither will the Americans when we fight China.

    • @Grak70
      @Grak70 Рік тому +2

      @@fredmertz1791 bold to assume a fighter that has a kill ratio over 200:1 needs to be produced at the same rate as one with a thousand times the radar cross section. These J-20 heaps will get their shit kicked in.

    • @Grak70
      @Grak70 Рік тому

      @IndiAnFasod yeah it’s easy to catch up when you steal everything. And given the results, they haven’t even done a decent job of stealing.

    • @Pouncer_Fox
      @Pouncer_Fox Рік тому

      Here we go. I was wondering where the Chinese trolls were hiding.

  • @UncleSamsDeplorable
    @UncleSamsDeplorable 6 місяців тому

    Is that rcs considered stealth or more like reduced visibilty?

  • @timothychung4811
    @timothychung4811 6 місяців тому

    I love amateur experts thinking they know about something that has no information. Stealth is not just coating and physical design.😴

  • @midnightrider1100
    @midnightrider1100 Рік тому

    If you need the canards, you're doing something wrong.

  • @davidav8orpflanz561
    @davidav8orpflanz561 Рік тому

    But, Maverick could still shoot down a J-20 of any version with an old battlefield commodered F-14 Tomcat...
    "It's not the plane, it's the pilot".

  • @aidansweeney9909
    @aidansweeney9909 Рік тому

    I still don't understand how canards ever make sense on a stealth aircraft.

    • @Pouncer_Fox
      @Pouncer_Fox Рік тому

      It doesn't, at least not for stealth. However, it's a cheap and easy workaround for their selected airframe.
      Sometimes it's not about building the perfect aircraft, but rather, being able to produce a good enough aircraft, in enough quantities, and do so at a reasonable enough price point. As such, there are always going to be compromises.

  • @theduke7539
    @theduke7539 Рік тому

    The Canards cannot be understated in how terrible they are for stealth. plus theres the canopy, replicating stealth glass is not something china ever had the ability to do nor is it something they managed to steal from us. Next. the avionics on both the F22 and F35 are still very classified, so even doing this comparison is something no one outside of the pentagon or lockheed is qualified to talk about

  • @loganb7059
    @loganb7059 Рік тому +11

    Lmao the PVC pipes when the cockpit was closing

  • @gusbiv8282
    @gusbiv8282 8 місяців тому

    It's the Kia Soul to the Ruzzian SU-57 Yugo, but like comparing a Kia Soul to American HELLCAT with Harry Potter's invisibility cloak.

  • @adozub3366
    @adozub3366 4 місяці тому

    Americans 🇺🇸 be hating 🤣

  • @davidav8orpflanz561
    @davidav8orpflanz561 Рік тому

    I bet, the Virginia Highway patrol could track a J-20 from the Wilson Bridge!!! And, ticket the pilot for having a radar detector!!!

  • @gmb4648
    @gmb4648 9 місяців тому

    China best fighter jet successfully connected

  • @yojimbo3681
    @yojimbo3681 Рік тому

    J-20 also flies at a higher altitude (66,000 ft), than the F-35 (50,000 ft), has bigger fuel capacity, longer flight range, and its purpose is to hit the AWACS and refueling aircrafts in a first strike.