The machete could be a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands, if that drunk guy comes by. Also good to lock the car, and put the keys in YOUR pocket, so your in control. Good video.
That's why we always have someone posted by the machete. As far as keys being in the pocket of the person who is on the roof- that's not a good idea. If that person were to fall, they wouldn't be able to get thier keys out of their pocket because of how tight their harness would be due to the fall. Absolute worst case scenario, the person on the ground could slowly lower the fall victim to the ground by inching the vehicle forward. We have since gone to a front mounted winch system that we attach the harness to when needed. With the flick of a switch, the winch can lower the person to the ground at a controlled speed.
We like those too. This was meant to be what people could do safely as bare minimum. Installing and removing roof anchors wouldn't appeal to the vast majority.
After many years, we still do it this way but we use a retractable cable instead of a rope! It helps not stepping on a rope and is faster and is less work!
this is the most difficult problem to solve for any business getting up on a roof: roofers, window cleaners, gutter cleaners, moss cleaners. How do you reduce the risk a worker falls and leaves you with a huge medical bill? this is the best solution I've seen so far
We appreciate your comment. And would add that by at least doing this, if they fall, the liability for the company is reduced and the risk for serious injury is reduced. And if it is company policy to always use these safe guards and an employee doesn't abide by company policy, then all liability from the company is erased.
I like this as it allows you to safely tether working on clay roofs as well without having to remove a tile. As a solar cleaning company it just doesn't make sense to remove a tile causing just as much work as it takes to clean solar panels.
So basically if you fall and the rope catches you, you can be at ease knowing that your buddy on the other end of the rope is going cut your lifeline at a moments notice right? 🤔
If you fall, the rope catches you and you sit hanging on the other side using your harness. From there, you could walk back up to the top of the roof, your buddy could try to lower you, or set up a ladder next to you, or yes, your buddy could get help, have someone hold the rope while he cuts the line near the anchor and then the people holding could lower the person down, or worst case he cuts and you fall from 6 ft instead of 20ft into something underneath that is acceptable. (Obviously don't cut if it will result in a higher fall) The point is, you didn't fall to your death because you were harnessed in and the rope was anchored. You may dangle for a while until your buddy can get a ladder to you, or something, but rather that than die or get broken to pieces from a fall.
Good video. I avoid ladders. Lol If I can't do my work with a pole I don't touch it most of the time. After hanging in the air 40 stories up I'm done with height's. You definitely know what your talking about. We had an OSHA mandatory meeting often. We used everything you've mentioned and then some. But you know what, sometimes I miss that.
M.A.W. Just window cleaning I try not to get on roofs anymore either. I leave it to the younger guys. Chris was new, so I wanted him to see the boss do it first. He got up there later and was fine!
@16:26 you squeeze it move it down the rope and * let got, grab a hold of the actual rope and move* reason is beacuse if you slip the first reaction youll have is to grab a hold of the first thing in your hand and youll release the mechanism of the ascender and fall all the way down. Learned it from rock climbers even though you are not supposed to grab anything you definetly dont want to grab the "prusik knot" or the ascender.
Speaking of which I was recently contacted by someone I use to drop with and he has a 15 story building but he has no insurance so I'm meeting with him to access the job and I'll use my insurance and make the decision if I'm going threw with the deal.
Just because you got insurance doesn't mean you are covered!❌ My insurance only covers up to one store high anything higher will cost much more and I doubt you have insurance that will cover you up that high.....Just saying man!💦
If you use the triangle method as discussed to keep the rope tight, you won't slip off the side. If you are walking the side from far side to near side then yes you will risk falling off the side. Ideally if you have to do all four sides, then you would want to anchor to the opposite side of al four sides.
@@TeamSqueegee look like the 50' is the cheapest right now maybe on sale, even cheaper than the 25', they said it's 10 time stronger than nylon but I do not see the weight rating, can you tell me from your rope label?
great idea! awesome video. one question though. How do you clean the gutters on the front side of the house where the van is? do you find a tree to anchor to in the backyard?
@@iShineCincy We don't anchor to tge ground in any way. We have anchored to the vehicle and large trees. We have also used multiple ropes connected to use as an anchor point as well.
@@iShineCincy there have been a very small number of cases where we ran out if rope using the 100ft. It was short by about 5 ft. But I'd say that is very rare. 100 ft is usually always more than enough to get to the other side.
We are cleaning gutters on this house. The aren't any gutters on the front, however if there were, we would tether to a large tree in the back. These are things we look for when we bid the job!
Hi Ryan, Rob here. If I understand your question correctly the answer is tension. If the rope is loose from the anchor point to your back, then absolutely you could still fall over, or to the left, or right. If done correctly, when you get to edge of the roof the rope should be taught. (the rope should continually be taught). As long as it is very tight, you will not be able to fall left or right. We always ask, "is it tight?" to the person on the ground (because it could "feel" tight to the person on the roof but actually be caught on something like a bush, eave, pipe etc) Now a very important point that I believe I touched on in the video is that when walking the roof line, the proper way is to create a triangle. If you walk to the left corner, and pull it tight, and then start walking straight to the right side corner then you will create slack and can easily fall off. Instead, one should walk from the left corner back up towards the roof at an angle, then retighten the rope, then walk back down toward the right side an an angle (creating a triangle). We actually create several triangles along the way, or go back to the peak and re tighten. I hope that helps. Very good question.
One of my teachers in college knew someone who attached his harness on the other side of his house on his vehicle frame. And he was shingling a roof. Hours later his wife came out of the house to go shopping. She did not know he was anchored to the vehicle. When she drove he went up over the peak and down the other side and broke a few bones.
There are no front gutters on this house. But if there were, we would anchor to the trunk of a large tree found in the back yard. When we walk the house for the first time, these are the things we consider before accepting the job. Good question!
With as much time it takes to put the sign on the steering wheel, tape it and then grab a cone and put it in front, simple idea, put a quick disconnect on the battery cable negative. Then all you have to do is pop the hood, lift the lever off the bracket and kill all power to the auto, or you could also place a kill switch that only the employee knows where it is located in the auto, and engage it when your on the roof. No one could come and simply move the auto. Even if they tried to steal the car by hotwiring or breaking the column.
Interesting idea. However, keep in mind we have several employees that aren't sure how to pop a hood (we don't want them to break a nail), let alone know how to disconnect a battery and even more importantly, reprogram all our radio stations ha ha ha.
Instead of looping the strap threw just the outside web of the rim. Should put it straight threw the hole in the rim and come out the back then loop that way you have the actual rim and tire support just like the way they strap cars to trailers.
Install an auto theft toggle switch under the dash?! The vehicle will not start, any audio store can install it... Weld a half inch stock ring or rebar square loop to a tow stinger that you can remove from your tow package, you can girth hitch your strap permanently to the ring,👍🏻back into driveway, safe... Where are you, what state, what county?
Very good suggestions. This video was meant to address something that most people could do right away. A vast majority of people aren't going to do what you suggested- even though they're great suggestions.
Hey man. No offense but I wouldn’t attach that D ring to the rim. If you did fall the force would probably cut it in two. I’m a construction worker and use harnesses lanyards and D rings daily. I would use a softener between the rim and Ring made of thick cardboard or good quality rubber so the chances of cutting it would be lowered.
I agree an old piece of carpet works great. Also would be a great idea to get the certification for fall protection because if you fall and your hand is on decender reflexes kick in and bam on the ground. Best thing to anchor off of is the big concrete dividers the have on the highway I sure as heck wouldn't trust the old van wheel.
Great advice. The strap we use as seen in the video is pretty thick especially after we wrap it twice. But I definitely see your point and will consider that in the future!
Not sure where we would get a concrete divider in a residential neighborhood. And the ole wheel has been working fine.. it's not just the wheel.. its the entire weight of the van. But really, the point of the video was to encourage window cleaners to use SOMETHING because before this video published there was hardly anything on YT to help window cleaners formulate any method for roof safety and most window cleaners were (and maybe still are) going up there with absolutely nothing.
@@TeamSqueegee well thank you for your efforts but it's not very safe and really this method can give workers a sense of false security which lowers their fear of doing things that will kill them they would never do otherwise. I not perfect but I would never post videos like this to show others how to be safe when I have no business teaching others how to be safe on UA-cam. I'm not a certified instructor. Why these types of videos are not on here. Bc it's not something you can teach in a 10 minute video. The fall protection I did was a 8hr for three day class. Someday someone will watch this video and attempt to do work they have no business doing to make a buck and get seriously injured or killed. A wheel of any vehicle is not rated for anything to be tied off to. If osha was to see me do this I would get a 10 000.00 fine period.
@@bcwindowcleaning7360 well Thanks for your reply, but I guess we disagree. While your 3 day class may tell you this method is not safe, there are plenty of experts with decades of experience that recommend what we have presented here. As mentioned in the video, affixing to a vehicle used to be a recommended method by OSHA until someone drove off (they were drunk) then Osha nixed recommending this method namely for that reason. (other reasons were that people were tying off to bumpers). The vehicle in the video weighs approximately 4500 lbs. The anchor strap we use is galvanized steel with a breaking point of 5k lbs and is wrapped twice. We removed the keys, set the e brake and chocked the tires in addition to having someone stand at the vehicle. That's pretty safe! According to the Rigging Academy's Pat Rhodes, and as found in his official manual, useing a vehicle as an anchor is acceptable due to the vehicle's weight so long as precautions are taken. (keys, chocked etc). Pat has 40 years experience in rescue rigging. Moreover you can find several articles on the internet that supports this method. Here is a link to another YT video that briefly talks about it: ua-cam.com/video/8EskhyHkZZc/v-deo.html Also, Rob weighs just under 200lbs, (and is the heaviest person at TS) so a free fall of 6 ft would yield an anchor point capacity of only 1800 lbs... which is well under the capacity of the vehicle. And finally, as stated in the video, this video is to suggest doing something, rather than nothing, which alot of window cleaners do. Rob made the video in an effort to say, "hey! stop going up there with nothing, at least do this!". Perhaps that wasn't very clear in the video? Even if someone using this method fell, and the vehicle moved an inch or a foot (very unlikely), the force of impact would be substantially slowed down. The rope, and the strap will not break, so we can surmise your complaint is that the vehicle would move forward beyond the ebrake and the chock block. We feel, this risk is worth it versus having nothing at all. The possible inches it may move would actually slow down the fall, potentially saving the person's life, vs having nothing at all.
526 you forgot " seal holes you just put into roof" haaa 935 better to go through rim over tire then back out less chance of rim cutting or damaging anchor strap.. buy ridge pro n ballantine system. Guardian safe t ladder system. The lacket ladder stabiliser.
We have the ridge pro and the RP presents no lateral movement. It becomes unstable when moving side to side. We've tried everything and this is the safest method. We do use ladder stabilizers, just not on the small ladders!
That's true. We do have Cougar Paws that we use sometimes. But a good pair of tennis shoes with traction always seems to work just good to be honest. Specifically, ASICS are very "grabby".
Not while using a vertical line which is what we are using in the video. Most other lines use the shock absorber attached to the back, but on vertical lines, because of the rope grab you attach the way we did it. But I have seen people reverse it which means they have to take the rope grab off the rope. Below is a video by Guardian. They don't cover verticle lines that much in the video, bit if you pause it at the 9 minute mark, you can see the worker attached to the anchor using the shock absorber end. With that said, we now use retractable cables, but your point is definitely a good teaching point to illustrate the differences in the types of lines. Hope this helps! Here is the official video from Guardian. Again pause it at 9 min when they start talking about vertical lines. ua-cam.com/video/GMbcmuTsHVI/v-deo.html Edit... Here is the official Guardian video... I posted the wrong video up there.. ua-cam.com/video/cwopvhqa1no/v-deo.html
We actually have several buckets. We prefer and recommend one long rope vs connecting 2 smaller ropes. We will connect two when in a pinch, but the rope connected to you will have a 6 ft slow release at the connection point (vs the anchoring point).. this means, in a worst case scenerio, you will have 12 ft of slow release which means on a 1 story, you will more than likley hit the ground in the event of a fall. Keep that into consideration!
Yes we explain you can still fall forward. However the point if this vid is to illutrate that this is safer than nothing and safer than what OSHA wants you to do. Thanks for finding fault and not recognizing theain points.
@@TeamSqueegee have a look at my fellow cleaners here in the UK youtube videos of the leaders on the market here. Im sure they ship worldwide there's GVS which is Gutter Vac Systems. Guttersucker and spinaclean
Did you watch the whole thing? Doesn't sound like you watched the whole thing where we address this. This is by far one of the safest methods. It's not perfect, but it's much safer than what most people do.
Totally awesome, but funny how he bashed OSHA for first man up no safety Wich I agree, if it's use a chicken ladder but he also went up with no protection I understand that part of the roof was not steep so all good but if it were than what what I do and pretty much the only way is to take your BIG SHOT with a bag attached with your slick line and shoot it over house ( if you can just throw it) and then tie your climbing line/rope and to your slick line and pull it over now your protected right from the start, even on the ladder.
We don't disagree and have used the sling shot method before.. However, we did address this in the video about the near side still being vulnerable doing it this way. Which, ironically if you do it the OSHA way will still be vulnerable as well.
Clearly, he needs to do more to be properly safe. He should consider lag bolting the chock blocks to the driveway to prevent them from being pulled out. Also, he should place another block behind the gas pedal so that in the event someone does get in, they can't press the pedal. I might even place a banana in the tail pipe so that the vehicle can't be started.
If it's not OSHA approved why move forward with this madness? How are you going to clean the other side? Just make sure you don't piss off an employee and they decide to drag you off the roof! Lol Just get a gutter vacuum and call it a day man!🤪💦
Madness is when we see window and gutter cleaners go onto roofs with no protection at all. If you watch the whole thing, Rob explains why we do it this way and how to clean the other side.
@@TeamSqueegee I agree. People get on roofs for many more reasons than to clean the gutters. So a gutter vac is useless for many roof jobs. Cleaning solar panels is a common one. The big boys use temporary roof anchor points.
What's mind boggling is that people get on roofs with zero protection and fall off and so someone else makes a video to help and offer suggestions that are better than doing it with nothing and then you come along and want to condemn that.effort. smdh.
The machete could be a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands, if that drunk guy comes by. Also good to lock the car, and put the keys in YOUR pocket, so your in control. Good video.
That's why we always have someone posted by the machete. As far as keys being in the pocket of the person who is on the roof- that's not a good idea. If that person were to fall, they wouldn't be able to get thier keys out of their pocket because of how tight their harness would be due to the fall. Absolute worst case scenario, the person on the ground could slowly lower the fall victim to the ground by inching the vehicle forward. We have since gone to a front mounted winch system that we attach the harness to when needed. With the flick of a switch, the winch can lower the person to the ground at a controlled speed.
Very thorough, just what I was looking for.
Thank you! We have a new one coming soon in which we use a couple different methods than this one!
Great information, im gonna use this technique to work on my 12/12 pitch metal roof
Got to say, great video with great advise. I rarely ever comment but this one was worth it.
Thank you so much!
Great video with many details. However, I prefer to install the temporary or permanent roof anchor points.
We like those too. This was meant to be what people could do safely as bare minimum. Installing and removing roof anchors wouldn't appeal to the vast majority.
This is something I've always thought about, I like it.
After many years, we still do it this way but we use a retractable cable instead of a rope! It helps not stepping on a rope and is faster and is less work!
What ladder do you mostly use for a two story home? Is 28 foot sufficient?
Yes 28 is sufficient. I think we may use the 24' more than anything because it's lighter.
this is the most difficult problem to solve for any business getting up on a roof: roofers, window cleaners, gutter cleaners, moss cleaners.
How do you reduce the risk a worker falls and leaves you with a huge medical bill?
this is the best solution I've seen so far
We appreciate your comment. And would add that by at least doing this, if they fall, the liability for the company is reduced and the risk for serious injury is reduced. And if it is company policy to always use these safe guards and an employee doesn't abide by company policy, then all liability from the company is erased.
I like this as it allows you to safely tether working on clay roofs as well without having to remove a tile. As a solar cleaning company it just doesn't make sense to remove a tile causing just as much work as it takes to clean solar panels.
So basically if you fall and the rope catches you, you can be at ease knowing that your buddy on the other end of the rope is going cut your lifeline at a moments notice right? 🤔
If you fall, the rope catches you and you sit hanging on the other side using your harness. From there, you could walk back up to the top of the roof, your buddy could try to lower you, or set up a ladder next to you, or yes, your buddy could get help, have someone hold the rope while he cuts the line near the anchor and then the people holding could lower the person down, or worst case he cuts and you fall from 6 ft instead of 20ft into something underneath that is acceptable. (Obviously don't cut if it will result in a higher fall)
The point is, you didn't fall to your death because you were harnessed in and the rope was anchored. You may dangle for a while until your buddy can get a ladder to you, or something, but rather that than die or get broken to pieces from a fall.
We’re could I purchase all this bro ?
Lowe's, home Depot, Amazon.
Good video. What is the name of the rope lock hand squeeze part?
Ha ha.. Rob was trying to say "caribeaner".. but he was talking about the rope grab. Thanks for your comment!
@@TeamSqueegee No, not "caribeaner" but "carabiner". Yup, sound like a French term because it is. Pronounced: ka-rah Been-ner (not ka-rah BIND-ner).
rope grab
Thank you for this video!
You're must welcome!
Good video. I avoid ladders. Lol If I can't do my work with a pole I don't touch it most of the time. After hanging in the air 40 stories up I'm done with height's. You definitely know what your talking about. We had an OSHA mandatory meeting often. We used everything you've mentioned and then some. But you know what, sometimes I miss that.
M.A.W. Just window cleaning I try not to get on roofs anymore either. I leave it to the younger guys. Chris was new, so I wanted him to see the boss do it first. He got up there later and was fine!
Team Squeegee lol. Oh ok. 👍🏾
@16:26 you squeeze it move it down the rope and * let got, grab a hold of the actual rope and move* reason is beacuse if you slip the first reaction youll have is to grab a hold of the first thing in your hand and youll release the mechanism of the ascender and fall all the way down. Learned it from rock climbers even though you are not supposed to grab anything you definetly dont want to grab the "prusik knot" or the ascender.
Agreed!
Speaking of which I was recently contacted by someone I use to drop with and he has a 15 story building but he has no insurance so I'm meeting with him to access the job and I'll use my insurance and make the decision if I'm going threw with the deal.
M.A.W. Just window cleaning it's a talent! I hope it works out for you. I know you guys will be safe.
Just because you got insurance doesn't mean you are covered!❌
My insurance only covers up to one store high anything higher will cost much more and I doubt you have insurance that will cover you up that high.....Just saying man!💦
What about falling on the same side as your van?....
That is addressed in the video
What if you slip off the side of the house I get going over to the other side?
If you use the triangle method as discussed to keep the rope tight, you won't slip off the side. If you are walking the side from far side to near side then yes you will risk falling off the side. Ideally if you have to do all four sides, then you would want to anchor to the opposite side of al four sides.
Can you tell me on the 100' rope it self does it say 14mm?
This is the 100' rope we use.
www.amazon.com/dp/B004EEPTAO/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_cZ3wFbFJ5YZQW
@@TeamSqueegee look like the 50' is the cheapest right now maybe on sale, even cheaper than the 25', they said it's 10 time stronger than nylon but I do not see the weight rating, can you tell me from your rope label?
Thanks for the Vid. I subscribed at the very end because of the bloopers stc the end. Good stuff
If we can't laugh at ourselves, then we can't laugh at others! Wait.. that sounds bad.
All vehicles have a U hook under either or both ends. Any issues with strapping there instead of the tyre rim?
no issues with strapping under the vehicle. As explained in the video, we dont strap underneath because of ruated edges that could damage the strap.
Hey Rob,
I think this video needs an edit with the addition of OSHA 1926.100 (a) "Head protection"
You are right about the head protection.
I was just wondering here. Didn't you say something about your not supposed to tie off from a vehicle. Because OSHA said so. Hmmm
Yes and he explained why in the video as well and why he does it this way. Sounds like maybe you missed that part of the vid?
Great video
Thank you!
good vid TEAM SQUEEGEE. All the best from MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA.;-)
We love our Aussie friends!
great idea! awesome video. one question though. How do you clean the gutters on the front side of the house where the van is? do you find a tree to anchor to in the backyard?
Yes that is exactly what we do. (a big tree).
@@TeamSqueegee What do you anchor to when there is no tree? Do you ever anchor to the ground in someway?
also, have you ever found that 100 feet is not enough?
@@iShineCincy We don't anchor to tge ground in any way. We have anchored to the vehicle and large trees. We have also used multiple ropes connected to use as an anchor point as well.
@@iShineCincy there have been a very small number of cases where we ran out if rope using the 100ft. It was short by about 5 ft. But I'd say that is very rare. 100 ft is usually always more than enough to get to the other side.
How are you going to clean the other side of the roof? Video Please.
We are cleaning gutters on this house. The aren't any gutters on the front, however if there were, we would tether to a large tree in the back. These are things we look for when we bid the job!
What's stopping the rope from rolling off the left side of the house in the event of a fall?
Hi Ryan,
Rob here. If I understand your question correctly the answer is tension. If the rope is loose from the anchor point to your back, then absolutely you could still fall over, or to the left, or right.
If done correctly, when you get to edge of the roof the rope should be taught. (the rope should continually be taught). As long as it is very tight, you will not be able to fall left or right. We always ask, "is it tight?" to the person on the ground (because it could "feel" tight to the person on the roof but actually be caught on something like a bush, eave, pipe etc)
Now a very important point that I believe I touched on in the video is that when walking the roof line, the proper way is to create a triangle. If you walk to the left corner, and pull it tight, and then start walking straight to the right side corner then you will create slack and can easily fall off. Instead, one should walk from the left corner back up towards the roof at an angle, then retighten the rope, then walk back down toward the right side an an angle (creating a triangle). We actually create several triangles along the way, or go back to the peak and re tighten.
I hope that helps. Very good question.
@@TeamSqueegee It just looks like if you lost your footing that the rope and you would would roll of the left side of the building.
@@stoneyclimber if the rope is tight, then you will not go anywhere.
Thank you very very much. This should be literally an OSHA video.
Thank you! We can only hope!
I hook mine to the toe hook in front or rear of the car
Yes that is a very good option if you have that available.
One of my teachers in college knew someone who attached his harness on the other side of his house on his vehicle frame. And he was shingling a roof. Hours later his wife came out of the house to go shopping. She did not know he was anchored to the vehicle. When she drove he went up over the peak and down the other side and broke a few bones.
yikes! that is a good example of why we use all the safety precautions!
That guy sounds to have pretty bad luck
How are you doing in light of the corona? Almost all of our retail work is non-existent, thankful we have a lot of residential exterior work.
We are doing fine! Namely in part to our "make $$ while you sleep" program. We shut our doors for the last 2 weeks of March for safty reasons.
$$ while you sleep?
What do you anchor to when you're working on the front gutters? Thx.
There are no front gutters on this house. But if there were, we would anchor to the trunk of a large tree found in the back yard. When we walk the house for the first time, these are the things we consider before accepting the job. Good question!
Excellent! Thanks man. I love people that have their head on straight :-)
With as much time it takes to put the sign on the steering wheel, tape it and then grab a cone and put it in front, simple idea, put a quick disconnect on the battery cable negative. Then all you have to do is pop the hood, lift the lever off the bracket and kill all power to the auto, or you could also place a kill switch that only the employee knows where it is located in the auto, and engage it when your on the roof. No one could come and simply move the auto. Even if they tried to steal the car by hotwiring or breaking the column.
Interesting idea. However, keep in mind we have several employees that aren't sure how to pop a hood (we don't want them to break a nail), let alone know how to disconnect a battery and even more importantly, reprogram all our radio stations ha ha ha.
great point about "sitting" i did not know that!!
Thanks for watching my friend!
Good video thanks so much!!!
Alan Brown thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks
You are welcome! We will soon be publishing a couple new roof safety methods using different equipment!
Good vid eo
thanks for watching!
Instead of looping the strap threw just the outside web of the rim. Should put it straight threw the hole in the rim and come out the back then loop that way you have the actual rim and tire support just like the way they strap cars to trailers.
That's an excellent idea.. although I believe the strap we use is too short for that. I will definatly try it though! Thanks so much!
Make sure u hide the vehicle keys so that no drunk guys can move your vehicle 😉
Install an auto theft toggle switch under the dash?! The vehicle will not start, any audio store can install it... Weld a half inch stock ring or rebar square loop to a tow stinger that you can remove from your tow package, you can girth hitch your strap permanently to the ring,👍🏻back into driveway, safe... Where are you, what state, what county?
Very good suggestions. This video was meant to address something that most people could do right away. A vast majority of people aren't going to do what you suggested- even though they're great suggestions.
Hey man. No offense but I wouldn’t attach that D ring to the rim. If you did fall the force would probably cut it in two. I’m a construction worker and use harnesses lanyards and D rings daily. I would use a softener between the rim and Ring made of thick cardboard or good quality rubber so the chances of cutting it would be lowered.
I agree an old piece of carpet works great. Also would be a great idea to get the certification for fall protection because if you fall and your hand is on decender reflexes kick in and bam on the ground. Best thing to anchor off of is the big concrete dividers the have on the highway I sure as heck wouldn't trust the old van wheel.
Great advice. The strap we use as seen in the video is pretty thick especially after we wrap it twice. But I definitely see your point and will consider that in the future!
Not sure where we would get a concrete divider in a residential neighborhood. And the ole wheel has been working fine.. it's not just the wheel.. its the entire weight of the van. But really, the point of the video was to encourage window cleaners to use SOMETHING because before this video published there was hardly anything on YT to help window cleaners formulate any method for roof safety and most window cleaners were (and maybe still are) going up there with absolutely nothing.
@@TeamSqueegee well thank you for your efforts but it's not very safe and really this method can give workers a sense of false security which lowers their fear of doing things that will kill them they would never do otherwise. I not perfect but I would never post videos like this to show others how to be safe when I have no business teaching others how to be safe on UA-cam. I'm not a certified instructor. Why these types of videos are not on here. Bc it's not something you can teach in a 10 minute video. The fall protection I did was a 8hr for three day class. Someday someone will watch this video and attempt to do work they have no business doing to make a buck and get seriously injured or killed. A wheel of any vehicle is not rated for anything to be tied off to. If osha was to see me do this I would get a 10 000.00 fine period.
@@bcwindowcleaning7360 well Thanks for your reply, but I guess we disagree. While your 3 day class may tell you this method is not safe, there are plenty of experts with decades of experience that recommend what we have presented here.
As mentioned in the video, affixing to a vehicle used to be a recommended method by OSHA until someone drove off (they were drunk) then Osha nixed recommending this method namely for that reason. (other reasons were that people were tying off to bumpers).
The vehicle in the video weighs approximately 4500 lbs. The anchor strap we use is galvanized steel with a breaking point of 5k lbs and is wrapped twice. We removed the keys, set the e brake and chocked the tires in addition to having someone stand at the vehicle. That's pretty safe!
According to the Rigging Academy's Pat Rhodes, and as found in his official manual, useing a vehicle as an anchor is acceptable due to the vehicle's weight so long as precautions are taken. (keys, chocked etc). Pat has 40 years experience in rescue rigging. Moreover you can find several articles on the internet that supports this method. Here is a link to another YT video that briefly talks about it: ua-cam.com/video/8EskhyHkZZc/v-deo.html
Also, Rob weighs just under 200lbs, (and is the heaviest person at TS) so a free fall of 6 ft would yield an anchor point capacity of only 1800 lbs... which is well under the capacity of the vehicle.
And finally, as stated in the video, this video is to suggest doing something, rather than nothing, which alot of window cleaners do.
Rob made the video in an effort to say, "hey! stop going up there with nothing, at least do this!". Perhaps that wasn't very clear in the video?
Even if someone using this method fell, and the vehicle moved an inch or a foot (very unlikely), the force of impact would be substantially slowed down. The rope, and the strap will not break, so we can surmise your complaint is that the vehicle would move forward beyond the ebrake and the chock block. We feel, this risk is worth it versus having nothing at all. The possible inches it may move would actually slow down the fall, potentially saving the person's life, vs having nothing at all.
526 you forgot " seal holes you just put into roof" haaa
935 better to go through rim over tire then back out less chance of rim cutting or damaging anchor strap.. buy ridge pro n ballantine system. Guardian safe t ladder system. The lacket ladder stabiliser.
We have the ridge pro and the RP presents no lateral movement. It becomes unstable when moving side to side. We've tried everything and this is the safest method. We do use ladder stabilizers, just not on the small ladders!
When doing rope work a good set of gloves is a must have.
Agreed! Especially on hot roof tops!
Those tennis shoes aren’t roof shoes like you mentioned.
That's true. We do have Cougar Paws that we use sometimes. But a good pair of tennis shoes with traction always seems to work just good to be honest. Specifically, ASICS are very "grabby".
Volume on video way too low!
I just re-watched it . Something happened on UA-cam's end because it wasn't always that low.
You have the rope backwards. The part in the plastic is supposed to be attached to the person, not the anchor point.
Not while using a vertical line which is what we are using in the video. Most other lines use the shock absorber attached to the back, but on vertical lines, because of the rope grab you attach the way we did it. But I have seen people reverse it which means they have to take the rope grab off the rope.
Below is a video by Guardian. They don't cover verticle lines that much in the video, bit if you pause it at the 9 minute mark, you can see the worker attached to the anchor using the shock absorber end.
With that said, we now use retractable cables, but your point is definitely a good teaching point to illustrate the differences in the types of lines. Hope this helps!
Here is the official video from Guardian. Again pause it at 9 min when they start talking about vertical lines.
ua-cam.com/video/GMbcmuTsHVI/v-deo.html
Edit... Here is the official Guardian video... I posted the wrong video up there.. ua-cam.com/video/cwopvhqa1no/v-deo.html
Wrong video... (Although they do have it right in that one too... )
Here is the Guardian video.. pause at 8:55
ua-cam.com/video/cwopvhqa1no/v-deo.html
It’s safe. But way to much work for a walkable roof like that
Better Safe than sorry! That's a 2 story roof plus pitch.. why risk it?
I'm with you. If one can't walk that roof safely and without fear, perhaps roofs aren't your thing......
My brain is hurting after watching this video alot of the things said I just can't compute.
I hope your brain is feeling better now.
Consider purchasing two buckets to obtain your 100' length. This way your have extra equipment and proper length...
We actually have several buckets. We prefer and recommend one long rope vs connecting 2 smaller ropes. We will connect two when in a pinch, but the rope connected to you will have a 6 ft slow release at the connection point (vs the anchoring point).. this means, in a worst case scenerio, you will have 12 ft of slow release which means on a 1 story, you will more than likley hit the ground in the event of a fall. Keep that into consideration!
I'd like to comment on your connecting two ropes together is Nope that's against OSHA rules it has to be only one rope
European rope access gear seems so much better in so many ways. Seeing this just feels weird to me.
It's not safety. How about you fall in forward. It's good for opposite side only.
Yes we explain you can still fall forward. However the point if this vid is to illutrate that this is safer than nothing and safer than what OSHA wants you to do. Thanks for finding fault and not recognizing theain points.
Just get a gutter vacuum. You're over cooking a simple job us UK guys do from the ground
we've considered that, but the reviews arent steller.. so we have opted not to. Maybe in the future we will try one.
@@TeamSqueegee have a look at my fellow cleaners here in the UK youtube videos of the leaders on the market here. Im sure they ship worldwide there's GVS which is Gutter Vac Systems. Guttersucker and spinaclean
@@AW-Services will do! We get alot of equipmemt from the UK!
So many things wrong with your That rope can slide right off the roof with you on the right side of the chimney.
Did you watch the whole thing? Doesn't sound like you watched the whole thing where we address this.
This is by far one of the safest methods. It's not perfect, but it's much safer than what most people do.
You're volume is too low
Check your YT volume. It is fine on our end!
Hey dude, here's an idea, lock the vehicle.
Sure. Sounds good.
Totally awesome, but funny how he bashed OSHA for first man up no safety Wich I agree, if it's use a chicken ladder but he also went up with no protection I understand that part of the roof was not steep so all good but if it were than what what I do and pretty much the only way is to take your BIG SHOT with a bag attached with your slick line and shoot it over house ( if you can just throw it) and then tie your climbing line/rope and to your slick line and pull it over now your protected right from the start, even on the ladder.
We don't disagree and have used the sling shot method before.. However, we did address this in the video about the near side still being vulnerable doing it this way. Which, ironically if you do it the OSHA way will still be vulnerable as well.
Clearly, he needs to do more to be properly safe. He should consider lag bolting the chock blocks to the driveway to prevent them from being pulled out. Also, he should place another block behind the gas pedal so that in the event someone does get in, they can't press the pedal. I might even place a banana in the tail pipe so that the vehicle can't be started.
If it's not OSHA approved why move forward with this madness?
How are you going to clean the other side?
Just make sure you don't piss off an employee and they decide to drag you off the roof! Lol
Just get a gutter vacuum and call it a day man!🤪💦
Madness is when we see window and gutter cleaners go onto roofs with no protection at all. If you watch the whole thing, Rob explains why we do it this way and how to clean the other side.
@@TeamSqueegee I agree. People get on roofs for many more reasons than to clean the gutters. So a gutter vac is useless for many roof jobs. Cleaning solar panels is a common one. The big boys use temporary roof anchor points.
This is mind boggling that someone will take the time to make this "instructional video" on roofing safety SMDH
What's mind boggling is that people get on roofs with zero protection and fall off and so someone else makes a video to help and offer suggestions that are better than doing it with nothing and then you come along and want to condemn that.effort. smdh.
Why don't they make it a building code to install roof anchors as construction is under way. That would be the answer to their weird laws. The ✔🗒
Alot of newer homes DO have them pre installed. But I'm not sure why they don't just make it a standard.