For winter, bolt on some rubber mudflaps to protect the back of the wheel wells. Have them extend down far enough to stop the gravel from being thrown against the bottom of your Quest. Remove them after winter.
Good idea. I’m probably not going to make them for the Quest, because I’m not going to ride so much with it this winter. But next winter for the Quattrovelo I might make something like that.
@@TheVelomobileChannel , what about the chain guard tape in strips under the Quest in a line with the wheel openings? Or? Show this damage to velomobiel.nl and offer to continue riding in it, for wear and testing purposes, in exchange for a new one?😉
Hate the killer gravel. It is on the cycle path from November to April, and I get so many flats! Only tire I found to work is the Marathon plus. That is what I have in the Velo in the back. Small roads can have some small patches of snow, I had my first accident few weeks ago, patch of snow and I found myself in the ditch on my side
I remember a flexible, cut-to-fit clear stick on laminate they used to make for downhill bikes, to protect the frame from rocks and debris. Maybe something like that would help!
Now that you'll have a QV you're not taking much care of your Quest, eh!? 😁 Regarding the weather, you'll perhaps be alive to witness tropical weather up there in Finland!
If I would have known what the killer gravel does to the bottom of the Quest, I wouldn’t have even tried to commute with it. But I didn’t realize that could happen. I hope I don’t have to witness that kind of weather in here. I would hate it 😅
There is a thick tape for use in mountain biking which protects the lower frame from rocks and gravel. The same kind of tape you can also find on the underside of skateboards. Get that and cover the bottom of the velomobile, or at least the areas near the tyres. But honestly it's scary as hell to ride a trike on such icy roads. I wouldn't even trust my mountain bike with this. Btw, German winter is also feeling like spring with no snow and temperatures regularly above zero! Haven't seen that before...
@@TheVelomobileChannel it's called 3M protective tape and there are many variants including clear tape. Here is a wide one I found that would probably work for you: 3M Lackschutzfolie 1220mm x 250 mm - schwarz - Gravel Resistant Film www.amazon.de/dp/B00AARDA3C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_OJfiEbTX3E0GJ
Similar to Milan's with rubber to act as barrier at covered foot wells for bumping into surface. Some rubber on bottom behind wheels to shield body from gravel for those who live with such conditions.
Hello Gentleman from Finland. Enjoyed your video. Honking comment made me laugh. It was warm where you were because all that cold moved over Western Canada. Holy crap were we cold.
Saukki -You aren't the only country having a weird winter , it's rarely got down to freezing here near London in the UK which is unusual. Lots of wind and rain though and the smaller roads are a mess with lots of resultant punctures. The bottom of my QV is in a worse state than your machine and many scratches on the sides as well. Oh well, it was made for riding not just looking at! Hang in there - in a few months we will be complaining that it is too hot!
Great idea. Autocrossers sometimes use masking tape to protect their sports car paint from scuffing with pylons (cones). Blue 3M masking tape will generally hold tight for a while but removes without any residue.
The same weird winter here in the UK, we've even seen the temperature in the low teens around New Year which is unheard of here. That's more like a Mediterranean climate in winter.
Do you think applying a rubber tape to the edges and underside of your fairing would be of any use to protect it? You can remove it in the spring. It might even reduce the noise of it striking the undercarriage. Even cheap duct tape might do the trick until the trails are clear.
The gravel stones used on roads in the winter in Sweden and Norway were not so bad for what I can remember, never got puncture from it (although I was afraid of it). It looks like a lot less sharp than the little stones often used here. The stones here in the Netherlands seem to be composed from some silicate causing sharp pieces, I think they originate from the Rhine rivers flowing here. I think the gravel stones in Norway and Sweden (and Finland) are much more brittle and less sharp granite? If you suspect something is wrong with the rear tire, I'd advice to stop at once to check out and prevent dangerous situation.
Hey Saukki, it seems to me the gravel is on the bike path, but not on the street. I could be wrong on that. Here in Denver the weather has been the reverse. Last few years the winters have been mild, but lots of snow and cold this year. I do believe the climate is changing. We have wildfires in summer, and they have been getting worse with each year. In any event, be careful and stay safe out there. Looking forward to your new quattrovelo when it comes in 😁.
You are right about the gravel. No gravel on the street. But I don’t feel comfortable to ride that part of the highway where there is cyclepath. Too much traffic and rumblestrip. Everyone should be riding velomobiles so the climate wouldn’t be changing that much 😄
@@TheVelomobileChannel Absolutely right Saukki! If more of us did the human powered thing like your t-shirts we wouldn't be in this mess. It was only a short time ago that most people in China rode bicycles. Now they have millions of cars, traffic jams, and cities so polluted they can hardly breathe. I should know, because cars rule my country too. We have to lobby and fight for bike trails here. The human powered revolution goes on!
@@frederikblom no, I'm riding a regular DF bike right now. But I'm already considering buying a recumbent bike) HPVs with 3 wheels are not rideable in my area, I think.
Mulla on sinkulassa nastat alla, mutta ei huvita raapia niitä pilalle kun ei ole kunnon talvikelejä. Jos vaihtais suosiolla vaan kesärenkaat alle ja alottais maantiekauden helmikuussa kunnon brevetillä. Sitten varmaan tuleekin lunta. En tiiä...
Hello, is this experience will affect your plans to get another velomobile SPECIFICALLY to be able to commute in winter because 2 rear wheels are better?
I asked this question on another video but you never answered me as to why that velomobile is so horrendously unstable when it comes into contact with rumple strips? These are extremely common road fixtures, as are poor surfaces so any vehicle that behaves so unpredictably has a serious design flaw. It’s only through luck that you weren’t seriously injured of killed. You could use some of that protection film they use on cars to stop the damage to the carbon fibre or as it’s not visible some rubber strips, they would have the additional benefit of reducing that annoying sound.
There’s a link in the video description to a video explaining why that crash happened. But basically, if rear wheel looses stability, you can’t control this kind of three wheeled vehicle. The standard rear suspension of a Quest or many other velomobile is basically just a spring with little friction damping. I have upgraded my Quest with air shock, so mine is not so prone to that kind of behaviour.
Saukki - The Velomobile Channel Any vehicle that behaves like that is a death trap, unfit for purpose and when the inevitable, serious injury or death happens the manufacturer should be held accountable.
I stay on the road with my velomobile in the winter. It's messed up anyway, so a few more scratches I don't mind. i live closer to my work than you do. I ride with tyres with spikes so slipping away does not occur so suddenly.
I don't understand why you would have a flat any more than on a regular bike. The quest is 31 kilos and has 3 wheels. That's about the same per wheel weight as a regular bicycle. People don't really get flats that often. (roughly 1 in 1000 km in my case, but I have no velomobile yet)
I usually get few flats per year. And I ride about 8000 km/year. But this killergravel is different. In the end of the video I have few gravel stones on my hand. See how the other one looks like sharp arrow head. If the road is full of that kind of gravel, everyone is more likely to get flat tyre.
Velomobile riding can be more puncture prone because the forces during cornering are much more stressing for the tyres, than on a two-wheeled vehicle. When cornering much of the force moves to one outer front wheel. Those stresses also adds up the strength for which sharp particles can puncture the rubber. Bicycle tyres are often not designed for multitrack vehicles and thus withstand these forces in a optimal way.
@@TheVelomobileChannel Itsellä ollut nyt neljättä talvea vanhat Nokian gazza extremet 54-622 eikä vielä yhtään rengasrikkoa. En tiedä onko hieman alemmilla rengaspaineilla vaikutusta, yleensä hieman alle 3 bar. Täällä Turun seudulla on myös varsinaista tappajasepelin juhlaa myös. varsinkin tänä "talvena". Super raskaitahan nuo on polkea lumessa mutta asfaltilla menee ok.
I HATE that gravel garbage. It's funny, we had ONE, yes 1 day of snow (not even slippery) and they spread that shit all over the bike paths. This was a long time ago, probably early december. Snow was gone next day, and nothing has come since. Yet, the pathways are ruined by the gravel. Absolutely unusable. I refuse to ride on them. I ride on the road next to them. Ironic isn't it.
For winter, bolt on some rubber mudflaps to protect the back of the wheel wells. Have them extend down far enough to stop the gravel from being thrown against the bottom of your Quest. Remove them after winter.
Good idea. I’m probably not going to make them for the Quest, because I’m not going to ride so much with it this winter. But next winter for the Quattrovelo I might make something like that.
@@TheVelomobileChannel , what about the chain guard tape in strips under the Quest in a line with the wheel openings? Or? Show this damage to velomobiel.nl and offer to continue riding in it, for wear and testing purposes, in exchange for a new one?😉
@@TheVelomobileChannel Or just some "helicopter tape" - as used to protect the leading edge of helicopter blades.
Hate the killer gravel. It is on the cycle path from November to April, and I get so many flats! Only tire I found to work is the Marathon plus. That is what I have in the Velo in the back. Small roads can have some small patches of snow, I had my first accident few weeks ago, patch of snow and I found myself in the ditch on my side
Very very informative, I love your channel man. My absolute favourite, always looking forward to your next video
I remember a flexible, cut-to-fit clear stick on laminate they used to make for downhill bikes, to protect the frame from rocks and debris. Maybe something like that would help!
Now that you'll have a QV you're not taking much care of your Quest, eh!? 😁
Regarding the weather, you'll perhaps be alive to witness tropical weather up there in Finland!
If I would have known what the killer gravel does to the bottom of the Quest, I wouldn’t have even tried to commute with it. But I didn’t realize that could happen.
I hope I don’t have to witness that kind of weather in here. I would hate it 😅
There is a thick tape for use in mountain biking which protects the lower frame from rocks and gravel. The same kind of tape you can also find on the underside of skateboards. Get that and cover the bottom of the velomobile, or at least the areas near the tyres.
But honestly it's scary as hell to ride a trike on such icy roads. I wouldn't even trust my mountain bike with this.
Btw, German winter is also feeling like spring with no snow and temperatures regularly above zero! Haven't seen that before...
Thanks for the tip. I need to find that tape 👍
@@TheVelomobileChannel it's called 3M protective tape and there are many variants including clear tape. Here is a wide one I found that would probably work for you: 3M Lackschutzfolie 1220mm x 250 mm - schwarz - Gravel Resistant Film www.amazon.de/dp/B00AARDA3C/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_OJfiEbTX3E0GJ
Similar to Milan's with rubber to act as barrier at covered foot wells for bumping into surface. Some rubber on bottom behind wheels to shield body from gravel for those who live with such conditions.
Hello Gentleman from Finland. Enjoyed your video. Honking comment made me laugh. It was warm where you were because all that cold moved over Western Canada. Holy crap were we cold.
Finnish killer gravel :-)
I’d love to see some gravel velomobiling lmao, it’s all the rage for road bikes these days.
Put a broom in front of the velomobile! :)
🤣
Saukki -You aren't the only country having a weird winter , it's rarely got down to freezing here near London in the UK which is unusual. Lots of wind and rain though and the smaller roads are a mess with lots of resultant punctures. The bottom of my QV is in a worse state than your machine and many scratches on the sides as well. Oh well, it was made for riding not just looking at! Hang in there - in a few months we will be complaining that it is too hot!
Maybe you can tape the critical areas with some masking tape with duck tape in top
Great idea. Autocrossers sometimes use masking tape to protect their sports car paint from scuffing with pylons (cones). Blue 3M masking tape will generally hold tight for a while but removes without any residue.
Flex Tape hehehe
The same weird winter here in the UK, we've even seen the temperature in the low teens around New Year which is unheard of here. That's more like a Mediterranean climate in winter.
That's the new normal. You'll be able to tell your grandkids you can remember when it used to get really cold in the winter.
@@rever1111 I fear you are right.
fun vid thanks!
I'm confident less gravel is better. The much-gravel area also has sections with little gravel, making you more often exposed to low surface area.
English swears with Finnish voice is so cool hehe
Do you think applying a rubber tape to the edges and underside of your fairing would be of any use to protect it? You can remove it in the spring. It might even reduce the noise of it striking the undercarriage. Even cheap duct tape might do the trick until the trails are clear.
The gravel stones used on roads in the winter in Sweden and Norway were not so bad for what I can remember, never got puncture from it (although I was afraid of it). It looks like a lot less sharp than the little stones often used here. The stones here in the Netherlands seem to be composed from some silicate causing sharp pieces, I think they originate from the Rhine rivers flowing here. I think the gravel stones in Norway and Sweden (and Finland) are much more brittle and less sharp granite?
If you suspect something is wrong with the rear tire, I'd advice to stop at once to check out and prevent dangerous situation.
Hey Saukki, it seems to me the gravel is on the bike path, but not on the street. I could be wrong on that.
Here in Denver the weather has been the reverse. Last few years the winters have been mild, but lots of snow and cold this year.
I do believe the climate is changing. We have wildfires in summer, and they have been getting worse with each year.
In any event, be careful and stay safe out there. Looking forward to your new quattrovelo when it comes in 😁.
You are right about the gravel. No gravel on the street. But I don’t feel comfortable to ride that part of the highway where there is cyclepath. Too much traffic and rumblestrip.
Everyone should be riding velomobiles so the climate wouldn’t be changing that much 😄
@@TheVelomobileChannel Absolutely right Saukki! If more of us did the human powered thing like your t-shirts we wouldn't be in this mess.
It was only a short time ago that most people in China rode bicycles. Now they have millions of cars, traffic jams, and cities so polluted they can hardly breathe.
I should know, because cars rule my country too. We have to lobby and fight for bike trails here. The human powered revolution goes on!
Meanwhile here in San Francisco there was a cold weather warning
Cyclepathpsychopath; sounds like a great metal instrument.
🤣
They used broken (tarmac) debris instead of natural sand (2-6mm); not very nice...
@@TheVelomobileChannel When I would sing it I would loose my teefh.
Saukki, what was the cause of that terrifying crash? Are velomobiles THAT sensitive to rumble strips? Do you know the outcome? Terrifying!
Yes they are. Here’s more about that crash: ua-cam.com/video/zGuVJtwPN24/v-deo.html
Exactly the same weird winter hier, in Moscow. I didn't even wear my winter clothes this year.
you ride velomobile in Moscow?
@@frederikblom no, I'm riding a regular DF bike right now. But I'm already considering buying a recumbent bike) HPVs with 3 wheels are not rideable in my area, I think.
Have you considered using some of the clear paint protection stuff?
It's probably an absolute pain to apply, but it will keep your carbon fiber fresh.
Tape
@@thomashughes_teh nah, it's like clear packaging tape but it's stretchy... Tape would work too!
My orange Carbon Quest looks a whole lot worse underneath. I live on an Island with sand everywhere.
Never mention punctures! 😀
Good old gravel blast for velomobile :/
Mulla on sinkulassa nastat alla, mutta ei huvita raapia niitä pilalle kun ei ole kunnon talvikelejä. Jos vaihtais suosiolla vaan kesärenkaat alle ja alottais maantiekauden helmikuussa kunnon brevetillä. Sitten varmaan tuleekin lunta. En tiiä...
Tulee varmaan joku jäätävä takatalvi. Juhannuksena +5 ja sataa räntää.
@@TheVelomobileChannel Ikuinen talvi. Tulee ne Nordkapin kävijän velomobile-survival konstit tositarpeeseen 😀
Painting the bottom with truck bed paint will prevent that sort of damage.
video subject suggestion - how do the police react to velomobile riders? legal issues...rules. problem with traffic police?
Thanks for the idea!
Great video Saukki. That gravel will damage carbon if take ride to long distance
Yes, I thought so too. I don’t want to test how long the carbonfiber will hold 😅
I would up grade the width of the rims and tyres.
Hello, is this experience will affect your plans to get another velomobile SPECIFICALLY to be able to commute in winter because 2 rear wheels are better?
Yes this is one of the reasons I'm buying a Quattrovelo. It will be much more safer on slippery roads.
I asked this question on another video but you never answered me as to why that velomobile is so horrendously unstable when it comes into contact with rumple strips? These are extremely common road fixtures, as are poor surfaces so any vehicle that behaves so unpredictably has a serious design flaw. It’s only through luck that you weren’t seriously injured of killed.
You could use some of that protection film they use on cars to stop the damage to the carbon fibre or as it’s not visible some rubber strips, they would have the additional benefit of reducing that annoying sound.
There’s a link in the video description to a video explaining why that crash happened. But basically, if rear wheel looses stability, you can’t control this kind of three wheeled vehicle. The standard rear suspension of a Quest or many other velomobile is basically just a spring with little friction damping. I have upgraded my Quest with air shock, so mine is not so prone to that kind of behaviour.
Saukki - The Velomobile Channel
Any vehicle that behaves like that is a death trap, unfit for purpose and when the inevitable, serious injury or death happens the manufacturer should be held accountable.
In America, you would need lots of blinking lights in every direction so cars would notice you....
Why they are not using sand???
I stay on the road with my velomobile in the winter. It's messed up anyway, so a few more scratches I don't mind. i live closer to my work than you do. I ride with tyres with spikes so slipping away does not occur so suddenly.
I know its off topic but I would like to know what is your favorite tire for velomobiles? Thanks in advance.
For summer I would use Greenspeed Scorcher. It’s fast and comfortable.
Mount some copter tape as protection, Biltema has it, item number 33-310.
Thanks for the info!
whey don't you put a stripe of gaffa tape to protect?
how did the rumble strip make that velomobile crash? was the wheel thrown off or???
Check the video linked in the description text box or in the youtube card for more info about that crash.
try some rhino tape over spray area, I use slime in all bike tires 100 grams per wheel
Ekoteko👍
Looks like the Tryker is not produces anymore.
That’s too bad. Why do they stop making good velomobile tyres? 🤦♂️
I don't understand why you would have a flat any more than on a regular bike. The quest is 31 kilos and has 3 wheels. That's about the same per wheel weight as a regular bicycle. People don't really get flats that often. (roughly 1 in 1000 km in my case, but I have no velomobile yet)
I usually get few flats per year. And I ride about 8000 km/year. But this killergravel is different. In the end of the video I have few gravel stones on my hand. See how the other one looks like sharp arrow head. If the road is full of that kind of gravel, everyone is more likely to get flat tyre.
Velomobile riding can be more puncture prone because the forces during cornering are much more stressing for the tyres, than on a two-wheeled vehicle. When cornering much of the force moves to one outer front wheel. Those stresses also adds up the strength for which sharp particles can puncture the rubber. Bicycle tyres are often not designed for multitrack vehicles and thus withstand these forces in a optimal way.
@@TheVelomobileChannel You should write a polite email to your council requesting daily sweeping. If it's a small section of road they might do it.
@@TheVelomobileChannel 1 puncture a year is excellent. Good tyres. I'm using regular narrow road tyres and get about a lot more.
@@bast1aan1 good point.
Probably a friendly toot :)
Probably 😁
nice light beam, B&M ? Battery or dynamo powered ?
2 x B&M Cyo 80 lux. Battery powered. Pretty good lights 👍
install small mud flaps
Ehkä vähän vois panostaa lausumiseen, jos meinaa englantia puhua.
Laita nastoitetut nappularenkaat niin ei tappajasepelin hammas ylety.
Sellaisilla renkailla voi olla jopa niin, ettei ihan yhtä paljon roisku tuota sepeliä. Eli vois olla hyvä idea käyttää sellaisia.
@@TheVelomobileChannel Itsellä ollut nyt neljättä talvea vanhat Nokian gazza extremet 54-622 eikä vielä yhtään rengasrikkoa. En tiedä onko hieman alemmilla rengaspaineilla vaikutusta, yleensä hieman alle 3 bar. Täällä Turun seudulla on myös varsinaista tappajasepelin juhlaa myös. varsinkin tänä "talvena". Super
raskaitahan nuo on polkea lumessa mutta asfaltilla menee ok.
Why dont they use salt instead of gravel?
Fanatical use of salt is bad for the environment. It gets in to the ground water and that’s what we drink. Not good.
Here is Your receipt for the Quest: www.lackprotect.de/302.html . I think I will try it with my MilanSL.
I HATE that gravel garbage. It's funny, we had ONE, yes 1 day of snow (not even slippery) and they spread that shit all over the bike paths. This was a long time ago, probably early december. Snow was gone next day, and nothing has come since. Yet, the pathways are ruined by the gravel. Absolutely unusable. I refuse to ride on them. I ride on the road next to them. Ironic isn't it.
Mitenkähän auton alustamassa toimisi velon mahapuolella?
OK, OK, you need to reference my video!
Don’t worry, there is a card pointing to your video.
@@TheVelomobileChannel I was joking, but missed it the first time. Always enjoy your videos. Guess you won't be riding on gravel any more.
Probably not. But if the winter continues like this, then I have to fabricate some kind of mudflaps, so I can ride without worrying about the paint 😄
Hyvä video! Laita nastarenkaat.
you pronounce temperature wrong
Yes, I know. English is so damn hard 🤣