Doom II: Sunder - Map 31 (House of Corrosion) UV-Max in
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2022
- Runner: Zero-Master
Date: 2022-01-29
IWAD: Doom2.wad
PWAD: Sunder 2407.wad
Category: UV-Max
Map: 31 (House of Corrosion)
Source Port: DSDA-Doom v0.22.5
Time: 28:40.26
Description:
This level feels quite short, which is strange as it's the 4th longest sunder demo I've done so far, but a lot of it is very simple. I'm sure getting under 25 minutes is not difficult, but I'm not going to aim for a really good time for a first exit or since demo might likely desync in future versions.
Only has one fight that is kind of difficult with exception of the very start. Both of those sections went terrible. The second cyberdemon was slow and the other fight became a mess as I allowed the arch-viles to resurrect too much, not to mention ammo management wasn't that good and my route isn't that good either. Should have dealt with the pain elementals in some other way perhaps so they can't fill the room up with lost souls. I also allowed the arch-viles to resurrect a lot of monsters in the tunnels, but that's intentional as I want splash damage to deal with them, clearly improvement can be made to the route there.
Also I am embarrassed of those platforming sections, almost looks like it's the first time I'm playing the game or something. I wouldn't even call the section by the mastermind platforming as it's so easy. I had one run that was faster, but I fell off there like an idiot. In the final fight it's nearly impossible to die so that's a bit annoying, but then I did this on the next attempt past the first cyberdemon so I don't feel too bad about it. Also lost a run in the other room with the thin pillars + I didn't practice those much so that explains why it's so bad.
Now only long levels remain and I expect to take a bit of time to complete them, map32 route is starting to look good though. I'm quite sure map 16 will be the hardest out of them to max.
Route/Strategy:
I run between the 2 revs to wake up the cyberdemon first while keeping the hell knights asleep as long as possible, this usually gives me enough time to bring the cyberdemon out of his room and I can run between the hell knights to safety. Hopefully everything lines up nicely for me to just run in an activate the switch and leave the room while the cyberdemon kills everything in the room by himself.
Obviously get the next cyberdemon infighting with the hell knights. I just try to pick off the ones moving to the side of the center and hopefully it doesn't get out of control where I get boxed in by hell knights not aggroed on the cyberdemon. For the revenants I just use rockets with the cyberdemon to clear them out quickly. Everything until the 4 megasphere room is straightforward. There I will grab ammo, a megasphere and sit behind one of the cyberdemon while I wait a short moment for the first switch to become available. Then I just need to get to the first room I entered and wait for the second switch. I don't really have much use for the megaspheres so I will pick another one up if I have taken any significant damage.
So then I can just leave this area and most likely the monsters will all get stuck and infight a bit. There is a chance they start moving into the starting area, if there's a lot of monsters then it's probably best to start over. Yellow key runthrough is simple, then I stock up on ammo for the next part.
The tunnels are usually no problem, need to just sit back and spam rockets and plasma all day. There's a chance I get blocked and killed by the arch-viles at the end. Once done here I will clear out the 4 megasphere room from the other path, if I'm lucky the cyberdemons are dead. Hell knights have very low chance of throwing projectiles through the gap, but revenants can so they need to be killed first.
The next room is the hardest, it's not that bad though as long as we don't get unlucky. My route here relies on getting good splash damage on the arch-viles while they resurrect stuff, which is pretty slow. I hope to get the viles out of the room they are in so that I can run in there and just use rockets to kill everything from a somewhat safe place. It would be much faster to stay in the open of course.
Arch-vile room past the chaingunners I sit on top of one of the teleport locations to block an arch-vile from immediately entering the room. Then I can just safely use plasma to kill them. Once I get back to megasphere room I just go straight for the invulnerability and clear everything with it.
Next section is easy as you can kill the mastermind with plasma without even seeing it as the hitbox is so massive.
Final area has so many megaspheres that I could probably face rocket myself 5 times and still get away with it. Just take care of the arachnotrons first, use all cells then pick up another 600 cells to clear the pain elementals. Then just a lot of rocket spam. Final arch-viles are no problem since I have so many cells and a megasphere easily available. - Ігри
It’s crazy how well crafted these Sunder levels actually are… before they’re covered in blood & bodies
I can't believe he can pound out daily Sunder maps without save scumming like most Doomtubers resort to - no fault to them, I hope people don't forget how hard this wad is.
A bit of of re-texturing.
They would be a lot better if the enemy placement wasn't slaughter-esque.
@@hansolo631 I love playing with classic doombuilder but I’m pretty sure just one of these rooms would take me literal months 😂
The atmosphere in this level is awesome, it really feels like a dream you would have after becoming unconscious in the bathroom
All thanks to BPRD!
@@Ennello The Mucus Flow is probably the best DOOM midi ever made just for its dreamlike alien quality honestly. It just makes every map instantly feel calm and otherworldly even when it's a gibfest
Doomguy took a shit in the toilet and ends up getting flushed into hell.
The Mucus Flow will forever be the greatest map ever made. The music, the limited ammo and health with this foreboding music is just pure ecstasy. Beautiful.
Map was at one point going to be called CubeCubeCubeCubeCubeCube.
I'm curious, Mr. Gazebo : after watching this (yet again) incredible performance by Zero Master, and since Sunder is still in development, would you consider applying changes to these maps to prevent runners from defusing (too many of) your traps ?
I'm thinking of increasing the delay before the switch gets revealed at 4:42 for instance.
On one hand, it's always both funny and impressive to see how speedrunners find exploits to improve the times and (sometimes) drastically reduce the danger level of a given map, but on the other hand, if too many major fights get bypassed like that, wouldn't it deter too much from the intended experience and make the map too easy ?
By the way, this is one of my favorite maps in Sunder. Love that ominous teal/brown theme, and the vicious close-quarter traps :)
Excellent work once again.
Ah, a Zero Master Sunder run and a cup of coffee. What a great way to start a Sunday morning!
That music really makes me wanna see a The Mucus Flow run by Zero Master.
That damn chain-gunner at 15:58 ! Lol! Very impressive platforming, strats and time, man.
I remember foolishly trying to take this map on saveless when it came out. Watching this is cathartic.
"Save your game and save it often."
-DOOM instruction manual
@@expendableround6186Save scumming till I die!
The guy that created this map knows a lot about how the old Doom works, in terms of challenge. If you don't know how to cause infight you can't play most of it, you can learn with Zero Master if you don't know. This is quite possible the best map I have ever seen on any mega wad. House of Corrosion isn't just well designed, it also looks quite beautiful. Whoever did this and the music deserves lots of love and a big thankyou.
Beautiful music from the Mucus Flow~ 💖
@@seerofmind3929 Another map is Harlot's garden. These guys are very good.
@@cybergothika6906 Babylon chimera is pretty cool and very freak in term of design, i'll play the wad using the zion v8 mod (doom 2016) and its a blast unfortunately in some levels the counts are too high with the new monster of the wad and lags very much, a shoot of a bfg clean almost everything, after that you can continue the game. overall the wad it's very good.
@@taerkasten5090 Indeed. The whole mega wad is impressive. I don't always enjoy infight based levels but not with Sunder, it is really good.
This map is beautiful! And the music was great
GG ZM.
It was fantastic watching you run old Sunder, and I made (too many) comments about how great it would be to see you run *New Sunder* - And here you are. It's a treat watching these runs (of Sunder 2407.WAD) not just as a Doom fan, but also a Sunder fan and an average Doom player. Thanks for everything you do in the Doom Community, and thanks for the extra-long video descriptions & route/strategy explanations as well. I read every single one of them! :)
Always loved the video description that ZM provides ☺
12:15 this part shows how little i know about archviles compared to ZeroMaster, the mad man didn't even strafed he just went back a few pixels when my whole brain said "you are going to get zapped".
I mean we all have done things like that in the past, but i have see so many instances of this trough out the whole Sunders series that makes me thing: What a beautiful Doom-wired of a brain Zero has.
Little strong on the NerdLove in here.
Can you explain why did Zero Master moved forwards and backwards like that when facing the Archviles 🤔
@@Fillduck To avoid being zapped. They are infighting so there is a chance you wont get zapped, but is always quite a gamble as you can in theory get zapped all across the map if he is aiming at you, or the monster he was attacking suddenly died...to avoid these chances most players get away from the range of sight he just...moved backwards a tiny bit.
@@Fillduck Archviles zap you when you're within their line of sight, he just dipped out of the way slightly so the Archvile couldn't see him
Pretty sure what happened here is that the knockback from the rocket pushed the Arch-Vile out of LOS. You can do that to move other monsters that take splash damage.
@@Fillduck archviles move very fast, and he also needs 2 create space between him and his rockets so he doesn’t take splash dmg while also anticipating their movement
The Mucus Flow UV-max when Zero Master
Now this is an interesting and awesome speedrun.
GG. This map looks very nice and it uses one of my most fav midis.
What track is played for this?
@@ProjectDevilEye The Mucus Flow theme by B.P.R.D.
Beautiful map and music. I want more music just like this. It feels like something you'd hear deep in a dreamscape
Очень красивый дизайн уровней, действительно. Впечатляюще, внушительно, монументально и при этом детально! ))) Некоторым современным дизайнерам и разработчикам игр есть чему поучиться у создателя этих карт. Движок дума используется на полную и очень умно, видимо создатель знает про многие нюансы движка. И забег тоже получился очень интересным. Поиграв и побегав немного по картам, я понял, что почти на каждой карте есть лазейки, облегчающие прохождение. Например, на некоторых уровнях можно далеко убежать от монстров. На других есть огромные пространства, где вы просто можете бегать до тех пор, пока все друг друга не перебьют. Иногда встречаются моменты, где для того, чтобы монстры начали к вам телепортироваться, вы должны выстрелить, чтобы они вас услышали, или когда происходит закрывание комнаты с монстрами, вы можете с помощью багов и хитростей оказаться вне этой комнаты. Поэтому, иногда вы заранее можете занять выгодные для вас позиции. Но чтобы это всё использовать, это нужно хорошо знать каждую карту. Рекомендую играть, используя лёгкий и не требовательный порт, например woof или dsda-doom, так как на них данный wad работает стабильно и показывает хороший fps. На продвинутых портах, типа gzdoom, на больших картах неизбежны небольшие просадки, особенно, если у вас не современный и слабый компьютер. Только интересно, можно ли этот wad запустить на ванильной версии doom??? Я думаю, что скорее всего нет, из-за размеров карт.
Gorgeous map, hypnotic music and an awesome run on top. Seriously cannot get enough of these ZM Sunder videos right now. I'm hooked!
Man this track is epic
Zero Master, how about doing a Dimensions play through ?
Recently that Wad has received a lot of attention from top doomers, specifically considered as the toughest doable wad, so fans might really want to see that how ZM tackles it.
I'm sorry ZeroMaster but there is an other master in this run, it's the mapmaker ! The level design is gorgeous ! All Sunder is awesome and with your gameplay, you transcend this megawad !!!
I like colder design of the level. Feels refreshing 🥶
It's honestly enchanting to see a carefully orchestrated response to each encounter. Real amazing work of art.
Damn this map looks really clean. All these wads never cease to amaze me!
Nice. This is a hell of a week for sunder
At the end, the title says Wolfenstein
LOL
This is my second fav sunder level!
The amount of effort put into the architecture of this map is amazing
Wow, amazing map and run!
The music is quite nice and I enjoyed the run!
Great job on the sub 30, this run was insane! This map kind of reminds me of Fractured Worlds because of the colors used.
Absolutely stunning beautiful deadly map.
Came here for the thumbnail.....stayed for the music.
LOL!
Excellent video!
Man, I just love the design of this map. I decided to play Sunder a few months ago (Pistol Start, UV, 100%) and I have just started playing MAP04. Can't wait to play THIS one.
It's beautiful!
Playing sunder as a old doom vet. I see that zero master has a great understanding of the doom AI. As well as good reflexes. Its as if he can predict the path of the demons.
I took me 15 mins to beat the first level.
It was fun to watch and That zdoom engine is just incredible😁
Thumbs up. Thanks for the demo.
woot, a new uvmax speedrun!
gg zero master!
That was dope
I really hate you as whenever I click on your playthroughs I can't stop watching... You are amazing mate!
Damn this maps looks so nice, awesome colors.
CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT MAP LOL
First time for me that i am this early for a Zero Master Doom Video.
Same for me as well!
Mucus flow 2.0 :) great run as always.
18:15 - You were SO lucky that the splash damage didn't kill you there!
Very cool man 🤟🏻
1:10 That HK behind you out of nowhere was like peek-a-boo.
Getting serious Lullaby WAD vibes.
the chaingunner at 15:58 lmao
To day on The Most Dangerous Game:
Rocket launcher in a room full of Pain Elementals.
Amazingly creepy and claustrophobic map, using cold marble and the snotfalls music to max effect.
Though it feels like this music only belongs to that one certain map, for me..yknow. I do love it though, and this map looks beautiful
OHHHHH... thats HOW you do the 2nd room...that was perfect =D
ZeroMaster ripping up the rule of constant changes while clapping asses with a rocket launcher. I love it.
17:12 revenant fireball: “Why are you running?!”
This map appears like a fever dream to me.
Unstoppable...
28:40 Wolfenstein is a harder map than I remember
Damn, interresting map.
Had no idea that a Spider Mastermind’s hit box was THAT big…you literally cheesed that one without even seeing it hardly at all. Excellent run as always and I do have just one question…are you gonna attempt to UV-MAX map 16 and map 19?
Incredible. Please consider playing Flotsam at some point - it’s so good.
Yoikes, I just saw that Soul attack right after it got hit. That would've been nasty.
Dooms music is fuckin incredible
This map definitely deserves its MIDI.
Its even better with the mucus flow
Damn, that's a lot of visplanes.
When I play first time sunder maps, especially 15, 18, 20 -I just ask myself: How? How did he [insane gazebo] create it?? When I see zeromaster's run I feel similar: how??? How does he play like this?
the one thing more impressive than this map is this run.. good job
Cool :)
Let's congratulate the MVPs of the map, the demons themselves!
For killing their own thanks to infighting.
YEEEEEEAH
Might I ask why you waited @2:00 minutes Zero Master? Is it to reset Cybie aggro or corral the bone heads? Excellent run as ever. gg wp
I'm waiting for the cyberdemon to fire at me so that the revenants will walk into the rockets and fire back at the cyberdemon, then the cyberdemon will target them.
@@ZeroMaster Ah yes obvious now, stupid me no wonder my runs suck lol I am too impatient to always wait for infighting :D
After the recent maps, it feels weird to see how "low" the enemy count is here.
i think the 'challenge' with this map is that there are a lot of tough fights in small spaces, as opposed to huge spaces with huge numbers
@@BabySkinCondom I get that. It's just that I find it kinda funny going from over 5k to just a bit uner 900.
well, just wait for the next map. you won't be disappointed lol
That, and the lack of BFG until almost the end of the map, so you cannot go rampage spamming It.
De los mapas más raros que le he visto a Zero Master
❤
I expected this video to take a little longer
What a map full of action for an Elite Player full of energy!
You went straight rampaging at full speed frenetically from the start to the very end. You think you could improve your time here even better?
Are you trying to convince @insanegazebo that Sunder is too easy? =) So looking forward to MAP16...
Ah, so this is how you play Doom...
Yooo!
Wolfenstein Lol!
The first minute summarized: "I'm not a pacifist, I just enjoy watching them kill each other."
Wish I had a gaming pc
Alguien sabe en qué juega Doom Zero Master?
Looks like the mall level in Silent Hill 3.
Aha now that you mention it it kinda does. Wow that's a long time ago i remember a camera angle from the top looking down on the floors. Thanks for the nostalgia.
This is not the House of Corrosion.
This should be the Realm of Corrosion.
Oh mighty Zero Master! Might you one day teach decino your ways?
Why? They are two different players with different styles and goals.
Why should decino become like Zero master? Should Zero master become like decino and do blind runs with commentary?
The fact that Doom applies to players with completely different styles is a thing of beauty.
There is no way. Agree with me or not but one does not become a TAS runner or any runner from just playthroughs. There are many years of just starting up the game and attempting clear runs on speed rather than just play for fun.
Experience could change decino but that's the point, experience in just play-throughs ain't gonna do it.
I did not know that Zero Master plays multiplayer cooperative mode with CyberDemons... :)
Cheater!!! :D
Are you still gonna go for map 19?
10:55 Where did this guy come from?
You killed 22 monster even before first shot
This map would take months to precalculate on a 486sx25
k👍
Hi do you play with lost soul limit enabled or disabled?
lol at first i thought it was a pacifist run, i was wrong :)
What is your top 3 favorite DOOM games?
Mine are;
1. 2016
2. 64
3. DOOM 2 with WADs
Honorable mention:
DOOM Eternal
Sunder is finally finished?!
Not yet. Its creator returned in 2019 after 10 year absence and is steadily making progress since then. Sunder currently has 22 maps out of 32 planned - from 1 to 20 and both secret levels. It got 8 new maps since creator's return.
@@superaurorabreak Still, that's dedication considering how long it takes to PLAY each map let alone make them.
I remember the first time I downloaded it, it only had 10 maps. Then it had 14. Now it's got 22...
Holy shit this map is beautiful, but good lord it's just as hard.
An accurate description for many of sunders maps
Я прошол 31 карту, а почему 32 карта не открывается может есть секретный выход подскажи ???🙄
ez
i dont know much about doom , but u did map 15 . Where are maps from 16 to 30 ?
31 and 32 are usually secret levels.
i have one question? *How in the living hell (pun intended) do you do this*