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Can we bring this broken Soviet watch back to life? Non running Slava / Craba 2428
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2022
- Can we bring this broken Soviet watch back to life? Or do I do more damage than good? #Vintage #watch #restoration
I never thought I would watch a video about watches, yet this is so interesting! I love the design of soviet watches
Especially those Slava 24XX Movement are really reliable, love to work on them. Except the 2427 is an automatic and it's a brass bushing on the rotor, that is wearing very much, so after a while, the rotor is touching the back cover and do not work properly !
Nice going here. Soviet watches are interesting not only from an engineering level (as demonstrated with the two mainspring barrels, ridiculously large glycodur balance wheel, and the large center second wheel being directly driven in the Slava 2414 family) but also in how their parent companies functioned. You see, neither the concept of brands nor competition applies to them. They're just factories that often shared designs with each other and that's it. In Slava's case, it was the Second Moscow Watch Factory, built on the foundation of the Ansonia Clock Co. in the U.S. that was purchased in its entirety and moved brick-by-brick to the USSR in November 1930. While there is a Slava watch company still around today that uses rebuilt old Slava movements, it has no relation to the original one as the SMWF was regrettably destroyed in 2011. I'm trying to enter the world of watchmaking myself and am leaning heavily towards Soviet watches, both because of their interesting nature as well as my own family's background. I'm leaning towards Pobeda/ZiMs myself, as their ZiM 2602 and ZiM 2608 movements are built both expensively and cheaply at the same time. I'd think you'd get a real kick out of one of them. Anyway, hope this comments was informative and have a good one!
Love this info 🙏 the more i delve into watches, the more I'm learning! JSG
Doing my first rebuild on a SLAVA 2427 'Tank'. Same thing more or less. This video is a lifesaver.
Больше не покупай часы этой марки 🥴🤕
This Slava never had hoped for the attention it got from you :-) I see that some soviet guy got it as a present from his wife in 1970, so it had a very long and fulfilling life. Good job again! Not my favourite amongst the soviet movements, but still an unique double barrel. Respect to you for taking the time with it, most watch services in the western world wouldn't bother with it. The time spent on it would cost ten times the price of the watch. Hopefully videos like this one will give people some confidence trying to service a watch themselves.
The thing I love about this Slava is the strong beat of the watch. You can hear it ticking along on a quiet day, nice and relaxing! JSG
At home watch servicing makes a lot of these older lesser desirable watches more obtainable to the average collector and the service makes the watch more valuable as they now function
What's a good Soviet watch movement? Can you name a couple? Thanks.
@@Carlos-nq7up Best for watchmaking practice? Molnija 3602. As its a pocketwatch movement whos design originates from the early 1940s, its large and simple. Best for everyday wear? Probably the Raketa 262X series of movements. Just about the most durable balances on the market even today and spares remain inexpensive.
@@jakekaywell5972 Thanks! Several months ago I bought a Raketa watch and so far it's been keeping excellent time. 👌
Great job. Recently I found Slava in my parents house. It's not winding. I didn't look inside yet, but from the outside it looks identical, except creame colour dial. If the movment is same I could use your video as a guide to fix it. Many thanks for this in depth video.
Great video - thank you very much for spending so much time on a such a watch and sharing your comments with us.
An awesome job on the restoration of a non running Soviet watch. An old piece brought back to life. Well Done..
Thanks Tom, I've got some more things I want to do to this watch to make the case more presentable, I'm thinking of gold plating to case to have a gold/green colour way. stay tuned! JSG
Thank you for your video. My father brought this watch from USSR in the late 70s. It has never been serviced, but it still works. I will try service it myself. Your video will be my guide.
Hello jgs watches. 2nd or 3rd time watching your videos regarding mainsprings. I don't have the tool to install mainspring into the barrel so for cleaning the mainspring I soak the entire spring and barrel in some lighter fluid swish it's around let it sit for several minutes let it dry sometines letting the air co ditiiner blow in it when dry I add some mobious would into the spring sanead you did in this video then reinstall into the watch and always worked good for me. I'm a watch hi byist. Great video.
I ordered a Slava with the same movement from Ukraine a bit over a month ago. It's actually a pretty stout watch for what it's worth and I didn't pay much even after it was done over by a watchmaker before being listed for sale. I know these aren't really valuable price wise, but it is valuable in the fact it still serves its purpose well and I won't really feel too bad if an already used watch gets a bit more used. I'll never feel guilty wearing the thing. The main differences with mine is it's more rounded and doesn't curve in where the straps go and the face is like an olive color with a really cool brushed metallic effect when the light hits it. Internally though, it's the same mechanism as this one, all 26 jewels and all.
When you install a mainspring with a "T" end, try your best to line up the "T" on the spring with the slot in the barrel, and just punch it in with the plunger on your mainspring winder. You won't always get it in the first time. Just lay the middle part of your tweezers across the barrel so you can hold the top of the "T" with the heavy section of the tweezers. Then you can turn it a tiny bit to get it in the slot. That was as short of an explanation as I could do. It's very easy to do.
Thank you very Much for sharing ! 😊🇨🇦
Hello Justin,
Excellent video. I love the green dial too. Very unusual, and that patina helps!! Orange and brown coloured dials are also very cool!
Yes, watch repairing/watch making is one big learning experience! There is always something new to learn.
The best thing for polishing a crystal is to use a fine grit sanding foam to remove the deep scratches followed by Brasso on a smooth micro fibre cloth to polish out the remaining ultra fine scratches. It's normally best to remove the crystal first if you can to avoid scratching the case. You will be amazed at how well you can restore even the most scratched crystal. For cracks, a new crystal is required. For all watch parts, try Cousins UK. They do all shapes and sizes of crystal.
I wash my watch parts in IPA too using an ultrasonic cleaner and I have never had a single problem of damage to the shellac on the pallet fork or impulse jewel . I've been doing it this way for quite a number of years. I understand your concerns though. Maybe try it on a donor movement to see for yourself.
Hope this helps and good luck with your continued journey here!!
Thanks Tony, I might give the donor movement a test in IPA as you suggest, good idea! JSG
Just discovered your channel. Love it. Please make more videos. Cheers.
Great video and thank you!!! You’re doing a great job btw!
Hi. I have done the 2427, as a hobbyist, which is similar, with the automatic components, and you are right: the balance jewels and that spring under the date bridge can be a real pain. Also is common on a soviet watch (not on this one) to have the balance stud pressure locked, without a screw, which is another pain if you want to take the hairspring out of the cock. Great video, as always :)
Thanks Carlos, it was odd to see the shim under the balance cock. I guess it was a cheaper and easier way to fine tune the gapping without ultra precision machining of the parts? Nice little work horses none the less, and clearly stood the test of time! JSG
@@jsgwatches Yes, many of them have also that shim and I also assume that it is for the purpose you told. By the way, I have lost that spring under the date bridge but fortunately I had a replacement. As a soviet watch fan, I usually buy movements for spares.
Great video again ! Little more challenge to do this kind of watch !! You did it !! 👌✨
Thanks Alain, this was a fun little challenge!
delighted to see the caseback held on with the same sensible (non-gasket destroying) system used by Vostok
Honestly wish more watch makers would pick up on that particular trick, it's brilliant and simple
Lovely presentation. Well done.
Great video, I have worked on some Vostok movements 2416, 2414 etc types (similar balance wheel design setup) and yes those cap jewels are a nightmare to get on compared with other movement designs I have done as a hobbyist. I was waiting to see if you had problems installing those things, glad I am not alone. Lost a few never to be found as well, can be so disheartening.
It’s a horrible feeling when you hear the ping and cannot find the part. Thankfully I had the donor movement! Onward and upwards 😅 at least it’s a lesson for future projects with that style clip! JSG
Great video… I’ve just bought one of these movements so this will help me a lot in its re-assembly. 😊
You are so right about a microscope. I do most work under a stereo scope now. Easier than a loop. I bought a Swift (from amazon) Recommended, less than £200. Changes everything.
I think a stereo scope may just be in order, my digital scope has been problematic from the start 😅 I'll give the swift scope a look, thanks for the suggestion! JSG
Muy bueno los videos muy explicativos a pesar de que nose inglés hace una muy buena labor para que otros aprendan graciad
Well done. I’ve removed cleaned and refitted a couple of T Main springs, it wasn’t to tricky, you could do it! You could sand the glass with 600 grit, then 1000, then 2000 then poly watch or toothpaste. You could have regulated the watch a bit using the balance adjuster to take it closer to +/- 5 secs per day. If you get a stereo microscope you might want to find one from AmScope or other brand that you can fit a Barlow lens to if you want to increase the working distance from say 6 inches to double that. Also you would for UA-cam need the adapter for recording. Good luck!
Thanks for the info Boyd 🙏 I’m going to revisit the crystal with the method you suggest, it’s a great idea! Polywatch/toothpaste would take an age on its own to remove the deeper scratches. JSG
I found using the sandpaper then Brasso polish works well. Toothpaste not so much for me.
Nice job. You'll find the clip one day when you're not looking for it. I have a Slava with this same movement, different case and a very dark green dial that keeps pretty good time
У меня были такие котлы... Боялись ударов, несколько раз носил в ремонт пока гарантия, а потом плюнул. Я ещё учился в школе.
Great. Work commentary at Al!thank you!
Hello Justin! Personally I would invest more in watches. You have more and better tools from the average beginner. Great job again! Can't wait for your next project!!
Thanks boss! I’ve got a few more projects coming up, the seiko bullhead should be an interesting one, so many Frankenstein versions out there. Hoping to help identify what to look for If anyone else is looking for one. JSG
I love that colour. The whole dial is delightfully lurid.
Im still in love with the dial, it’s aged insanely well! JSG
I’m a sucker for a minty fresh crystal. Really enjoying your videos mate. Keep it up:)
Thanks mate! I love a minty watch too 😂 JSG
Very nice. Just got a similar one recently. Might need a service though
Nice job, those jewel retainers are a pain!. Well done.
Note to self for future projects 😅 those retainers were an absolute nightmare to reinstall! JSG
@@jsgwatches they should be called flings not springs!!
I'm sporting my latest and final Slava tank, the export with the screw down acrylic screen meaning I now have one of each "type" with the flatter squarer one (first successful 2427 rebuild), the traditional standard bruiser, the Slava tank quartz, a NOS Sekonda branded one (ultra rare), a CPSU Congress special edition (ungodly rare) from 1973, an Aeroflot issue and the acrylic screen export limited edition, all keeping superb time seeing 3 are personal rebuilds :D
BTW ebay seller Tur-1834 is a UK seller who has a ton of Soviet watch components he's refurbished, just bought some Slava complete balance assy's from him at a very reasonable price if you need on Soviet parts here in ol' blighty :D
Thanks boss, I'll give this a look! I've got some plans for this watch, top make the case more presentable, but may need some spare cases to do some trials on. JSG
Really enjoyed the video.. thanks
Привет,больше всего понравилась итория с донором]]] В общем хороший мастер так-как вернул часы к жизни.
Where have you gone!!!!
Hey, just found this , hope things are ok, cant wait for your next Vid !
Yeah. The clutch lever on my old Seiko broke too. The crown with the rod just popped off from the main housing.
Поздравляю, парень, из всех русских часов, ты выбрал самые плохие 🤣
I'm also just a starter and I also use the toothpaste as well but after a 4 sided nail buff block. I get them at the dollar store here in Canada.
Smart idea using the nail buffing block! JSG
Have you noticed the watch is signed at the back. This happens for two reasons: another watch was gifted to someone or it was as a pride to someone!!
I also love that shade of green.
Great video
I literally have the same watch in front of me, can't wait to have it restored as well
I love the sound of these things, can hear it ticking away in a quiet room. The patina On the dial makes it an eye pleaser too. JSG
I've no excuse for not tackling slava/seconda now.
Thank you!
They’re nice little things to work on! Just be ultra careful with the centre pivot for the seconds hand. It’s a long one and looks like it’d be easily bent if lifted at an angle 🙏 JSG
Man, i wish you made more videos! so helpful
Stay tuned boss! Slowly picking up new things to add to the videos. Am going to try my luck at re-plating some of my heavily worn nickel plated cases in the near future 🙏 JSG
@@jsgwatchesthey aren’t nickel they are platinum
It's been a year since you posted a new video. I know it's a pain, but I hope to see new material soon, and I hope you're doing well.
He passed away unexpectedly
Thank you for making this video.
I would like to get into watch modifications and eventually gradually start movement restorations. Do you have any directions as to what are some things I can be doing? So far I have bought basic tools more geared for modding from DIY watch club using a NH35 movement. (I successfully changed the date wheel, hands,and dial to aftermarket seiko parts not given by the company)
I’ve read practicing on a pocket watch works well being that the parts are bigger and easier to work with. I also want to try and disassemble and reassemble the movement.
Any advise on good books, schools or things that has best served you in the past to help build your skills. Thank you in advance! 😁
Not only am I green with envy about your skill and patience but, most of all, about your "thick" wrist !!!
Nothing worse than being a watch lover cursed with a ridiculously thin wrist....
Terrific video. Only two things I don't quite understand. 1. When you put the drops of oil on the jewels, what prevents the oil from spilling out all over the mechanism? 2. Since the second hand is not screwed down, what prevents it from simply falling out if the watch is turned face down? Thanks.
Hello, I had the very bad idea to lubrificate the balance jewel. And after lot, lot, attempts I mange to reinstall the little spring but...when I tried to center it better, than..it broke one point! Have you any suggest for replace this unobtainable spring??
Hi.Nice work!I recomand the book "The birt of soviet watchmaking" by Alan F. Garratt
Thanks Andras, appreciate the book suggestion 🙏 JSG
Brilliant work
I have a Seiko 8F32-0049 [A0] that doesn’t run that I would like to get running.
Is that something you could help with
Cheers
Hey mate, love your videos. Can i ask which lens's do you use on your camera?
This is the second video of yours that I've watched following your overhaul of the Invicta Pro Diver. It's absolutely riveting (pun not intended, but it's free so what the hell ! 😆) ! I'm glad I found your channel as I've always loved watches and now I know what makes them tick, literally !
I do hope you will do lots more ? Fascinating.
I have subscribed ! 🤗❤️✌️🖖👋🇬🇧🕰️⌚⏲️⏰
There is an engraving on the back of the watch. It was a present to a husband from a loving wife :)
Love this! Thanks for the translation Dmitry, now I like this watch a little bit more! JSG
Are you selling this watch? I’m interested.
Great video. Love your work.
Hey Tom, this watch is actually my favourite and hasn't left my wrist. I'm planning to do another video to gold pate the case as i think gold with green will make it look even better 🙏 JSG
@@jsgwatches thanks for the response, it is a lovely watch. I'm usually a watcher not a commenter but this was a fantastic fix. Thanks for all the good work, I love your videos.
That clip joined the Swiss Space Program :)
😂 Either that or Thanos made it disappear with his infinity stones! JSG
The Price of Brass would collapse if we could get all those Clips back from their Orbits.
Hi, I have a Slava 21 jewels watch. The calendar was stuck and I have tried like you to tear it down. Unfortunately I cant put it back together. J wonder if you would like to have a go.
I’ve got an old Tissot that was my grandfather. It need fixing but I don’t know anyone I can trust plus the cost to fix it would probably be impossible for me to save. Can you give me a rough idea what you would charge so I know if I can even attempt to save it up?
Greetings. Did a great job Sir.
17:04 i am a beginning watchmaker. I myself faced the same problem. I can’t put back the mainspring t-shaped. Complete disaster. Asked other watchmakers, one said it will automatically move in the barrel, other said both teeth must be in their respective holes.
I actually put the mainspring but was not able to close the lid.
Please let me know if you figured out the way out)
Greetings, from what I can see, the t bar must go in correctly first time, otherwise you will face your issue with not being able to close the lid. I think a small mainspring winder would help position the t bar, but would need to be placed precisely to get the t bar in the slot. Unfortunately I don’t have any tricks to help! JSG
craba.. damn. doesn't even say craba visually. More like CAaBa.
Where are the uploads bro 😞
I have a 1973 automatic seiko Chronograph cal.6139 with orange dial ref 6139-6005 and it was passed down from my father to me but quit working and have no idea how to get it fixed because I live in the country and not too many watch makers here and all jelwers around here say they don't work on watches
Hey Justin. Just checking if you're coming back.
Hey Chris, currently my job is sucking every minute of my life. I'm planning on getting another video out in February. Appreciate your support boss 🙏 JSG
@@jsgwatches brilliant. Great news that you’ll be back. Hope the workload eases a touch soon.
hey man could you make a video on you restoring my vintage seiko 5 7S26-6000?
I love your videos and how you do totally different movements. You've done China, America, Swiss, Soviet. I was wondering if one day you could do India and give your impressions on a HMT Janata or other similar cheap Indian watch.
Absolutely! I'm travelling the world with watches, and Indian model is definitely on the cards. Appreciate the support, JSG
He hasn't really done America yet though. Yes, American companies, but either Swiss or Japanese movements. He'd have to go back to the 1950s or earlier to absolutely be sure on getting an American movement. Anyway, great video here and I second the HMT idea, given that they're basically simplified lisence-built Citizen designs.
Mate where are you? Your channel was just getting started.
He passed away unexpectedly
@@jmoo876 wow that’s terrible news he was doing great. Thanks for letting us know.
Are you using 40x60cm green bench mat? Made from silicon? Because it looks like we share the same choice here, I'm ordering exactly the same mat, the Horotec one is small yet expensive.
ÓTIMO SERVIÇO 👍👍 🇧🇷
Hi Justin, I have a soft spot for these Soviet watches. Like Vostoks, they are completely function over form with nary a decoration in sight for miles. The engineer in me approves somewhat - Soviet stuff gets built tough and to last, it had to withstand hobnail boots and hammers after all!
What's the dual mainsprings about? Is this one of those watches designed to stay accurate all the way from full wind to none?
I think you are bang on the money for the dual main spring function Alan, from what I've read, when they are connected in parallel like this movement, it was designed to improve power delivery consistency over the full power reserve of the main springs. A pretty neat design! JSG
Where are you man? I was ejoying your videos, I hope you're doing well.
Thanks Ammar, I'm doing well, but my day job is currently sucking every second of every day leaving me mentally gone. I have a video planned and hoping to get it out in Feb 🙏 Each video takes me around 35hrs to film/edit/voiceover, I have no idea how some of the other players pump out a video every week 🥵 JSG
@@jsgwatches I understand, job can be draining, well at least we know that you're still alive😁.
Good luck and happy new year.
When are you coming back ? ☹️
He passed away unexpectedly
What's your opinion on this Slava 2428 movement? Good or not, so good??
could you do a video on a seiko 6139?
Hi I'm from Puerto Rico and I'm learning how to fix wrist watch ⌚ and pocket watch and started with a automatic wrist watch steinhausen 1923 gold color and I'm stock because don't know how to put back the mechanism to change the date months back is there a guide 🦮 a see how it goes back please help
When i bought a stereo microscope it was a complete game changer.
My digital scope has given me nothing but headaches, I think I'll upgrade to a stereo scope! JSG
Plastic bag to protect steel from a stick?? Lol
Do you have watches to ' giveaway'?
Slava its mean Glory
Try petroleum ether.
That should be Claba, not Craba. The second letter, L, is л.
SLAVA.
I'll eventually get a "Slava" to go with my other Russian girls (Paketa; Vostok)
No videos for a year :(
He passed away unexpectedly
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I'm planning to sell my soviet watches and donate the money to Ukraine armed forces. If there is interest I have this watch with a dial which is in better condition. Watch seems to be running fine. Located in EU.
No point in doing that for political points, since both Russia and Ukraine were a part of the USSR.
Loved the video. How do I get in touch with you. Email id??
Really interesting channel mate. Just starting to take an interest in watches. Good to hear a British accent 😂👌🏾