The Amiga 1200 IDE port will work as usual, but the TF1260 fast IDE controller needs a driver to be installed in order to be used. So if you want to boot from the accelerator port, you will need a modified Kickstart ROM. Or initially boot from floppy with the driver and then a reboot to enable it.
nice card maddi 😄i was eyeing one of these on steve's site the other day just hovering over the buy button .. maybe in a few months ill get one ive spent alot this year and the back end of last year already on a new case new keycaps and the indivision mk3 ..
Hiya Maddi ☺️ Ah good to see that gorgeous 1200 and that new card is a nice bit of kit indeed. Love the game, the demo and the music is always a treat to hear as it showed off it’s capabilities very well indeed. Glad Rich got his new card even if his thank you was a bit understated but it was all in good fun and l was very happy to see Mr Neelix, (who l know takes a very active roll in your filming plans whether you like it or not 😂), popping in to say hello to us all. Great upload as usual Maddi and all the best to you, Rich, Mr. Neelix and everyone there ☺️
I see you have an LC060, same as I have. Do you find much that won't work because of the lack of the FPU? I don't think the TF1260 can boot off the internal IDE without a ROM upgrade. You need to have EIDE drivers there at boot time for it to work? I _think_ (and this is from memory) that KS3.2.2 might support it natively. (I haven't played much with my 1260 as I'm still working on a "custom" case for my 1200)
Best thing you can do is to upgrade that CPU to a full 060. I remember noticing a significant speed increase when I installed an 50MHz 68882 into my Blizzard A1230 at uni, this is because the math*.library's are written to use a hw FPU if one is present. I don't have them now, wish I'd kept them.
Hey Maddi - The reason for the IDE not working is because the cable is too long. I have the exact card, and the exact issue. It will work and it will work MUCH faster with a shorter cable.... it has to be as short as possible (I have to buy 30cm cables and shorten them as far as i could. I ended up having my SDCard coming out the rear under the floppy. When using it too, you won't get your IDE light, there are fixes but it needs soldering and i get back when any fix needs one :)
Hey Ivan, you are correct with regards to IDE cable length if you're not using a buffered interface. If you're using one however you can use longer cables. Or are you talking about IDE on the TF1260 card specifically? If so I must try that out, but i'd have thought It would have already been designed with a buffer, or the buffered interface should work with it no? intrigued.
@@MsMadLemon I don't know the buffered or unbuffered thing, but i did the exact same thing as you, i had a long IDE cable from the original IDE port to the space under the floppy, i unplugged and connected it to the TF1260 and it didn't work.... so i did as mentioned in the OP, bought 30cm cable, and cut them to be as short as possible, and pop, it worked... and it is much faster. I look forward to see you get it running in the next video, and some easy instructions to get the IDE light to work :)
@@IvanEBC Interesting, i'll give that a try, hopefully I can get it to work. My next couple of project videos are already planned but if I do get it working, it'll definitely be in a future video 🙂
@@tassadar1977 Okay this makes more sense to me as to why it's not working. At the time of filming this video I had 3.14 Kickstart ROMs..Since then I upgraded to 3.2, so thats what I have at the moment. I get this feeling this is going to need KS 3.2.2 to work.
Hey, thank you! This is a little different to an ACA500+. The TF1260 is an accelerator card whereas the ACA500+ is more an expansion card that does have some acceleration, but adds a few other things such as ROMs and storage, it allows different configurations etc. The ACA500+ allows external A1200 accelerators like this one, to be used on the A500.
I agree an FPU is needed of course for any sort of 3D rendering etc and it's what the card is lacking unfortunately, but it still has it's uses of course.
FPU is not mandatory for Amiga's Doom ports. Quake port from the PC requires an FPU. IF Amiga had a Quake port from Windows CE ARM CPU, then the 68LC060 would be enough.
I've closed mine and its a very early revision i believe.. But.. I bought a trapdoor with vent holes, I dont think its a good idea using the original trapdoor with this.
@@ChuckyGang I thought that on some review it was mentioned that suitable cpu slot connectors are not made anymore and those that are still available doesn't fit in A1200 with trapdoor cover closed. Maybe I remembered wrong then and I am glad that I did. 👍
@@tassadar1977 The WHDLoad version of Nexus 7 does not crash at that particular point on the TF1260. Also the ball bouncing part has no slow down on the latest iteration 4 firmware.
Wow great video but I’m amazed with the Amiga accelerator card scene in 2023. Also, thank God I found out about retro passion. I think I’m about to buy my very first original refurbished Amiga.❤
@@MsMadLemon 68LC060 is good for Doom ports that targeted PC's FPU-less fast 486SX CPU. Integers can be used for 3D and the entire game console was driven by mostly integer datatype i.e. PlayStation 1. The FPU requirement is from PC's Pentium-era Quake and influence by the PC's Pentium. Windows CE ARM's Quake port didn't use FPU due to these ARM CPUs don't have an FPU.
i figured that all software will be written for stocks, that not even 040 wont save you from garbage software. so as every serious gamer i bought pentium. LAN every day
Schön das Sie wieder da sind. Ich wünsche ihnen ein sehr schönen Abend noch.
Ein schön Gruß aus Das schöne Berlin von Ralf
Mach weiter so
Thank you, but i've been back a few months now :-)
Oh nice. Got a TF1230 recently and really loving it.
Love the blue case on that Amiga 12
The Amiga 1200 IDE port will work as usual, but the TF1260 fast IDE controller needs a driver to be installed in order to be used. So if you want to boot from the accelerator port, you will need a modified Kickstart ROM. Or initially boot from floppy with the driver and then a reboot to enable it.
Wow 😮 amazing speed 😮
Wow that's a great comparison. Nice side by side view.
It seems only fair your get "thanked more than once" 😉
LOL! 🤣
I also call "ACA" the one for my A500. Thanks for working hard in giving us more videos!!😁
nice card maddi 😄i was eyeing one of these on steve's site the other day just hovering over the buy button .. maybe in a few months ill get one ive spent alot this year and the back end of last year already on a new case new keycaps and the indivision mk3 ..
Hiya Maddi ☺️ Ah good to see that gorgeous 1200 and that new card is a nice bit of kit indeed. Love the game, the demo and the music is always a treat to hear as it showed off it’s capabilities very well indeed.
Glad Rich got his new card even if his thank you was a bit understated but it was all in good fun and l was very happy to see Mr Neelix, (who l know takes a very active roll in your filming plans whether you like it or not 😂), popping in to say hello to us all.
Great upload as usual Maddi and all the best to you, Rich, Mr. Neelix and everyone there ☺️
I met TerribleFire at Revision and bonded over Amigas and the Belgian beer dispenser, I must get one of these for me some day
I see you have an LC060, same as I have. Do you find much that won't work because of the lack of the FPU?
I don't think the TF1260 can boot off the internal IDE without a ROM upgrade. You need to have EIDE drivers there at boot time for it to work? I _think_ (and this is from memory) that KS3.2.2 might support it natively.
(I haven't played much with my 1260 as I'm still working on a "custom" case for my 1200)
You didn't even take a short break and worship the holy 060 for a few seconds before plugging it in! Jokes aside, nice video! ;)
Best thing you can do is to upgrade that CPU to a full 060. I remember noticing a significant speed increase when I installed an 50MHz 68882 into my Blizzard A1230 at uni, this is because the math*.library's are written to use a hw FPU if one is present. I don't have them now, wish I'd kept them.
That's a regret i've had myself, not keeping the Blizzard PPC 68040 with Bvision Graphics card back then, it was a perfect setup for me back then.
I have a Blizzard PPC with 040 in my towered A1200, I'm happy with it, but if it should ever fail, a TF 1260 might be a good replacement
Hey Maddi - The reason for the IDE not working is because the cable is too long. I have the exact card, and the exact issue. It will work and it will work MUCH faster with a shorter cable.... it has to be as short as possible (I have to buy 30cm cables and shorten them as far as i could. I ended up having my SDCard coming out the rear under the floppy. When using it too, you won't get your IDE light, there are fixes but it needs soldering and i get back when any fix needs one :)
Hey Ivan, you are correct with regards to IDE cable length if you're not using a buffered interface. If you're using one however you can use longer cables.
Or are you talking about IDE on the TF1260 card specifically? If so I must try that out, but i'd have thought It would have already been designed with a buffer, or the buffered interface should work with it no? intrigued.
@@MsMadLemon I don't know the buffered or unbuffered thing, but i did the exact same thing as you, i had a long IDE cable from the original IDE port to the space under the floppy, i unplugged and connected it to the TF1260 and it didn't work.... so i did as mentioned in the OP, bought 30cm cable, and cut them to be as short as possible, and pop, it worked... and it is much faster. I look forward to see you get it running in the next video, and some easy instructions to get the IDE light to work :)
@@IvanEBC Interesting, i'll give that a try, hopefully I can get it to work. My next couple of project videos are already planned but if I do get it working, it'll definitely be in a future video 🙂
@@MsMadLemon Booting from the accelerator IDE port requires a modified Kickstart ROM. What version do you have?
@@tassadar1977 Okay this makes more sense to me as to why it's not working. At the time of filming this video I had 3.14 Kickstart ROMs..Since then I upgraded to 3.2, so thats what I have at the moment. I get this feeling this is going to need KS 3.2.2 to work.
I got some kickstart ROMs that boot from the IDE from the TF1260. it is about 3X faster than the A1200 IDE.
Hello, lovely voice as usual :) so is this like an aca500+?
Hey, thank you!
This is a little different to an ACA500+. The TF1260 is an accelerator card whereas the ACA500+ is more an expansion card that does have some acceleration, but adds a few other things such as ROMs and storage, it allows different configurations etc. The ACA500+ allows external A1200 accelerators like this one, to be used on the A500.
How good to hear from you again . Does the terrible fire have on board memory thanks
Hi, a fast turbo card, but an FPU is mandatory for the AGA Amigas. There are many nice demos (TBL) that require an FPU. Best regards 👍😘
I agree an FPU is needed of course for any sort of 3D rendering etc and it's what the card is lacking unfortunately, but it still has it's uses of course.
FPU is not mandatory for Amiga's Doom ports. Quake port from the PC requires an FPU. IF Amiga had a Quake port from Windows CE ARM CPU, then the 68LC060 would be enough.
@@MsMadLemon Have you tried SoftIEEE FPU Emulator? I would be interested to know if the "Ocean Machine" demo would run with Soft-Emu?
I think I remember reading from somewhere that you can't close trapdoor when you use TF1260. Is this still a thing?
I've closed mine and its a very early revision i believe.. But.. I bought a trapdoor with vent holes, I dont think its a good idea using the original trapdoor with this.
ehh?? that have never been an issue
@@ChuckyGang I'm wondering if it's just the advice of not recommended closing the trapdoor been taken the wrong way.
@@ChuckyGang I thought that on some review it was mentioned that suitable cpu slot connectors are not made anymore and those that are still available doesn't fit in A1200 with trapdoor cover closed. Maybe I remembered wrong then and I am glad that I did. 👍
@@KarpowSCX they are hard to install. but closingthe trapdoor have NEVER been an issue..
Gratz with the card. The demo run to fast or wrong speed.
Your Nexus 7 demo does the same as my TF1260 - it crashes at the same part.
You have to run it outside of workbench, it cant be running in the background. As in boot with no startup sequence and execute it via AmigaDos,
@@MsMadLemon that's weird behaviour! Thank you.
@@tassadar1977 The WHDLoad version of Nexus 7 does not crash at that particular point on the TF1260. Also the ball bouncing part has no slow down on the latest iteration 4 firmware.
@@wizardjd64 I have tried both versions and they crash. Maybe it's the firmware then?
@@tassadar1977 Possibly, the new firmware fixes a lot of bugs and noticeably increases the speed of even general Workbench usage.
Wow great video but I’m amazed with the Amiga accelerator card scene in 2023. Also, thank God I found out about retro passion. I think I’m about to buy my very first original refurbished Amiga.❤
Does it help with creative endeavours such as
Dpaint
Lightwave
Tracker
Video stuff
?
If it accelerates the system and adds more memory, which it does, then without a doubt it will help.
Without an FPU, Lightwave will struggle.
@@Lucretia9000 Yes, unfortunately this lacks FPU so it won't help much with any sort of 3D rendering.
@@MsMadLemon 68LC060 is good for Doom ports that targeted PC's FPU-less fast 486SX CPU. Integers can be used for 3D and the entire game console was driven by mostly integer datatype i.e. PlayStation 1.
The FPU requirement is from PC's Pentium-era Quake and influence by the PC's Pentium.
Windows CE ARM's Quake port didn't use FPU due to these ARM CPUs don't have an FPU.
Can I see your cat? It was in the background aroung 5:05
Sure, he's at 22:49, 23:00 and in a lot of my other videos.
@@MsMadLemon Thanks. A little Panther :)
i figured that all software will be written for stocks, that not even 040 wont save you from garbage software. so as every serious gamer i bought pentium. LAN every day