What an excellent design. People who don't like the panoramic part fail to see that it is still an incredibly light dual bridge and can be used as such.
And some 'fail on their faces' trying to justify purchasing a certain brand of bridges for premier visuals over another. They are all light. If someone is going to pick one over the other, it behooves of them to pick function over micro-ounces in weight differences.
When I first saw these I thought they were kinda gimmicky but now I'm definitely sold. It's great to see actual innovation that's also available to the public!
I was blessed to have a friend find me a gently used blemless Elbit Gen 3 thin filmed green phos PVS-14 for $1950 shipped. Low Light Innovations makes a terrific "white" filter that essentially mimics white phos in appearance with limited light transmission loss for only $25. To save money on the mount, he suggested an "Evolution Gear L4G24 NVG Mount Perfect Replica" for only $85 shipped instead of the $465 for the real one, and the quality is phenomenal. I also picked up a used Wilcox AN/PVS-14 Arm for $150 shipped down from the original $229 price. Botach has a Longfri Level IIIA ballistic helmet for only $199 that is around 3 pounds, good quality for the price and there are lots of ballistic test videos on them. I also went with the FCS AMP Headset that is a fully functioning Replica of the Ops Core AMP for only $175 shipped down from $999 for the real one. I plan on running a Disco 32 PTT with them to get my Comms squared away. Although all of this stuff is still expensive, there are ways of making NVGs and Comms realistically affordable instead of an unobtainable pipe dream. I highly encourage yourself and others to do the same. I was able to have just as functional of a setup for a little more than $2,500 that would have been $7,500+ if I had gone "Gucci" on everything.
@@abel4776 Everything is still going strong but I would advise against my earlier endorsement of the FCS AMP Replica of the Ops Core AMP. Just go with some real Peltors. The Disco 32 PTT is great though especially for under $100… paired with a Baofeng UV8R and your Comms will be squared away.
Neil is a stand up dude. I’ve talked to him before regarding customer service related stuff and I was absolutely blown away by how cool he is and how committed he was to his product.
I am dying laughing. I've been watching all of your videos for 3 weeks researching and learning. Called tnvc and talked to a Will. Then bought a pvs14 from them online for the 4th of July sale. Just found this video saying you are Will. Wow that's a small world :)
Awesome review. I recently got my dual14s colimated as per your recommendation and I love them even more. I’ve never been more excited to have my warranty expire after seeing this review!
@@revvyishonisd5027 Ideally, them to someone and pay to have it done professionally. Otherwise, you can try this DIY technique: www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/DIY-Collimation-Technique/18-510765/
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION I have an nvision L3 unfilmed 14 and plan on buying a second from them. Can they do it? This sounds like warranty voiding work lol. Also do you have decide on and stick with the same bridge once you do this? Before seeing this bridge I was planning on going with the tnvc NPB since it seemed to give the best chance of not needing collimating. But this bridge seems like the way to go now.
@@revvyishonisd5027 That's a good question about being bridge specific... I use a NPBM and I sent the entire set to Mod Armory. The setup before gave me a cross-eyed feeling that would go away within 30 seconds but I could feel my eyes getting tired after about 1 hour of continuous use. I was going to use the DIY that nitewalker posted but I couldn't get my hands on the right spanner wrench. Based on the description, it seems its a device-alignment issue and not necessarily based on the bridge... but I could be way off here. I think my plan is to get this panobridge and digital power things and eventually have them serviced and installed by some pros. If the collimation seems off, I can have it redone then. Am I off here? Thanks.
@@alexanderchung6402 yeah I think the goal of the collimation is to make the same point’s of an image line up inside each tubes individual 40* fov, in the same place in both of them independently. Which is why adjusting the front lenses can achieve this goal. Slight tweaks to the tubes input image can adjust the output image, probably regardless of what the whole devices orientation is. So I’d actually bet swapping bridges or flip flopping left and right devices doesn’t have a large negative impact, now that I’m thinking about it at bit. But I’m just guessing lol
You sold me. I'm still waiting for my Universal Bridge Mount and OSS that I ordered from TNVC back in January. It appears my panobridge will arrive first.
Literally 5 pieces of metal that could be manufactured with machines from a century ago are now sold to people as someting incredibly innovative for more than 500 bucks. I am always impressed how they do that.
It's about time.. figured someone would make a night vision mount as I had to modify mine, too high to low not deep enoug to level your eye sight. I'll check it out
As a EMS Helicopter pilot who's logged hundreds of hours under night vision, I'd have to say that Pano function would drive me crazy. I Definitely like the weight and simplicity aspect though. If only they'd make a version with no Pano function then I'd be sold.
I'm in the same boat. Though he did say you can tighten the hinge points making it more difficult to adjust, perhaps almost locking it in place. That and you could probably use paracord or a zip tie to cinch the two sides around the front to prevent them from angling out. So long as they are parallel when pushed all the way in. Not pretty looking, but neither are dual 14's.
Panobino is coming later this year if Nocturn Industries and I can get it looking good. It was announced in the Panobridge press release on Soldier Systems, by the way, along with other info.
@@CharleyVCU1988 It's not yet set in stone. We are still evaluating all the options. We might have one version that only takes a single CR123A and one that takes external battery pack, for example.
I can’t speak to the testing that occurred in the early 2000s, but I can say my original prototype had fixed outboard tube rotation, just like the headsets you’re talking about, and it didn’t work for most people who tested it. Instant headache. What my Panobridge does is allow the user to adjust it perfectly to their eyes and brain with the additional panning mechanism / joint. That’s the key that makes the system work for everyone who’s tested it so far.
@@stephenjameson4911 I've personally tried it and can say that it's really important to get the fit right for yourself specifically. Once I was making my adjustments and finally hit that sweet spot, I made sure to loctite the heck out of it. Zero headaches after that.
As soon as I saw this I took a pvs14 and a pvs7 and simulated the effect. The wider vision seemed substantial in my basement. If I can get up the nerve to exchange the tube from my 7 into a 14 home I'll have already ordered the pano-bridge . "American made" sold that deal. Thanks for the great info again. Side note.. Know anyone in the Maryland area who would want to perform the switch as for a fee?
The 10130 tube in the -7 can't be used in a -14 which requires a 11769 (for the gain control to work) or 10160 (no gain control). Best bet is to get another -14.
The ideal setting would probably be at 60° and if you are running 51° fov lens you could probably push it all the way out to 70° and not notice much of a blind spot in the center.
Are those energizers your favorite 123? I have bought a lot of surefires off amazon that I used to find suspect, but the fact that every month, they come with a newer expiration date, I think they’re fine. But I wonder if there’s better out there
I’ve been looking for NVG goggles? What do you suggest for goggles under $5000? What is the difference between green and white phosphor tubes also, 40 degree and 50 degree view? Thanks, TJ
I'm a little late to this video but does TNVC ship to the UK? (I'm aware you lot don't ship actual devices since laws prevent you from doing so) - though I'm thinking of getting accessories/mounts such as an ops-core helmet liner and/or Wilcox G24 mount. Thanks.
Picked one up. My duals are only 6oz heavier than the DTNVS. Have to say, everyone complaining about them haven’t used them. They’re actually really good and I like the FOV flexibility. Now, do I necessarily agree with the price point? Nah. I think they belong in the $300 range. In any case, these have already been replicated in the 3D printing world.
Hey will this work for binocular function with the flir beach & pvs14 like the knights vision mount you had set up. Understanding if you go into pano mode it may be weird but will they line up for straight ahead binocular function? Asking because of the indefinite back order through tnvc with my universal bridge set up like you did thank you your reviews are very informative
Yes, it will work to mount both together effectively but not as good as the KVC does because the breach has to be articulated for IPD. I did a recent video going over the breach & -14
You get the widest FOV but depending on the tubes the image can get a little buggy. It may not be a issue for some but for others it could be an issue. IMO, it’s better in a middle setting so you’re looking mostly through zone 1 & 2 of the tubes.
The Wilcox bridge works well since it is a dovetail interface. The dovetail on the NOX-18 is swappable between the standard location or in the pic mount location
Yes you can and it works fairly well. I still prefer KVC but it costs more than double and they haven’t been in stock for over a year. Hopefully soon they’ll be shipping some more out
Maybe I am not understanding but that demo picture of the pano bridge seems to suggest that the tubes are interesting in the middle, while you said there is a dead zone in the middle
The dead zone is at closer distances and it's based on how wide you set them. Neal did a video on the Noisefighters You Tube explaining it. ua-cam.com/video/6Fe0RMhzg9Q/v-deo.html
Thanks for the review of a cool product. I am planning to get binos, but now I may wait until the pano binos come out. I was interested in upgrading the power supply for my PVS-14. Who do you recommend do the work if I purchase the battery pack from noisefighters?
Money being no object (theoretically!). This setup with dual 14’s with great tubes versus a dedicated bino setup with great tubes as well? Every video up to this date has always said good binos always beat great pair of 14’s. Still hold true??
Great video dude. I have a quick question since you have been able to play around with these for a bit. When you are using it in a wider field of view configuration do you notice any loss in depth perception? or is it mainly just a resolution loss? Thanks for your time.
It’s basically resolution loss. As I said in the video, some tubes will have more distortion than others in the zone 2/3 part of the tube, so how much effect it has is dependent on the tubes. What I do is spread it out to the best FOV that maintains a good image.
Hi, since I developed this, I wanted to answer directly and say that yes, the depth perception is going to be compromised whenever the tubes are not aligned perfectly. However, if you use the technique Nitewalker talks about by going half-way outboard and achieving 55-65 degrees FOV, then the central, overlapped portion will still have decent resolution and provide the depth perception people are used to with binos.
Thanks for the fast responses guys. That definitely helps and I'll be looking at picking these up in the next month or so. @nitewalker that for the great review and info. @noisefighter nice job making these! These seem really awesome especially with how light you were able to make them.
Binos do not actually give you depth perception, at least no more than a monocular does. The biggest cue for range estimation we have is caused by your eyeballs panning inward and our brain senses essentially the muscle strain. More strain means looking at a closer object. Less strain means a further object. With night vision the tube does not actively move with our eyes, so our depth perception is 100% reliant on our ability to interpret what we see since our eyeballs are essentially static in the same position when looking through our NVD, the same way that we can tell what is closer or further objects in a picture by how they appear, even though the picture and technically all the objects are actually at a fixed distance from our eyes. As OP and OEM noted, the actual issue is resolution. The noise (static) in your tube is random, but by sheer probability wherever the static is in one image is likely not in the exact same place on the other tube at the same moment. This allows your brain to fill in the missing gap and you see an image that appears less noisy, clearer. Without this overlap you will see static closer to as if you were using a monocular. In other words, even this is not really that significant of a downside. If you can run a monocular, you should not have any performance issues running this bridge. It isn't like the noise will be any worse than what is inherent in each individual tube. I personally think the resolution gains from binos are a little overrated to begin with, but I'm also not a huge tube spec snob either. Even 90's surplus Gen 3 that are essentially military rejects are good enough to me, even though current new tubes are like almost 3x better.
Good question but hypotheticals suck, lol, because if you dig this stuff you’ll get more gear. It’s rare for someone to ever only have one setup. But….with that type of hypothetical I would do dual PVS-14s because 2 is 1 and 1 is none
Well, it depends on the bino. A newer lighter weight bino is better but if the bino is heavier than duals on the Panobridge then I’ll take the Panobridge. The key benefit of the Panobridge IMO is it offers a light weight solution to run two existing PVS-14s. The adjustable FOV is an excellent add-on feature. It’s a great solution for people or organizations who have multiple PVS-14s without the budget to purchase a dedicated bino system or true panoramic system like the GPNVG
No I don’t. This bridge is suited for someone who currently has two -14’s and wants to bridge them. The adjustable FOV is a nice feature but the key feature is the lightweight. The RNVG is 20oz as it is and made out of aluminum
Mainly because the majority of people I've communicated with who get them end up switching to a dedicated bino. A minority like dual -14s however the majority don't.
Works fine. It depends on how wide you put it. I run it at a middle setting. You just have to scan more to aim the thermal in the direction you want to scan with it.
I need a set for my rock climbing partner everywhere seems to be either too expensive or sold out, I have 500$ would anyone happen to have a pair for sale? (Helment and Mount not needed but would still buy)
@@nikanor8152 I don't care what model just something my friend can mount on their Helment to see and know that their ropes are set in the right positions.
@@nikanor8152 The purpose of getting my friend their own set of night vision is so that every time they turn to look at me I won't have a lighthouse of a head lamp beaming directly at my face.
$500 for a PAIR of PVS14’s?!? You’re joking right? You can’t even buy a single housing, without a tube for $500. Increase your budget by 8 times and you might get lucky enough to find two used PVS14’s. Also, the panobridge is $550, so there’s that hurdle for you as well.
looks like this bridge is promoted by REALLY GOOD PR manager. It's everywhere but i cant believe it can be used in real world. Most bridges of those type have a weak spot near 14 housing screw - you just cant fix it really straight. There are few bridges with workarounds (wilcox have an extra screw that counter the unit at front and wont allow it to move at all), but that problem exist starting from original j-arm design and it's solely PVS-14 problem. It's extremly easy to misalign 14ies on modarmory bridge and get the headache. It wont be even noticable. What we can see here? That bridge looks like very similar to modarmory one and i dont see anything that says it's axis fixed better than on D14 bridge... That's the first point and the first major reason to say i dont believe in that bridge as good PVS-14 bridge. The second reason is the fact a little FOV increasement just wont worth it. 3rd zones as center are big downside. Thermal between monoculars is ridiculous as there is a big difference in brigthness of I2 tube output window and microdisplay and it's not fixed with NVGs. Even being mounted (ducktaped lol) to that bridge, it will weight much more oz. than acceptable. So, what is the use case for it? What about worning off? Even if you dont have headaches from prev. reasons, why you may want to use it? i can accept there is some common sense in 4x14 with two fixed bridges like like a real pano, but that... What the hell is that!?
As someone who has used them for several classes (primarily force on force) I can tell you with confidence that these are phenomenal. Massive advantage over duals in FOV and weight. Since the edges of both units “zone 3” overlap, it gives your brain more information which, in my experience, compiles the data/image into better-than-zone-3 image. The advantage you get from the ~70° FOV CANT be understated. As far as the “weak point,” only time will tell, but with modern polymers and ever improving manufacturing processes, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a non issue.
@@spencerreeves3492 i can believe you like it. what was the training environment? CQB? rural area? suburb? woods? how often you ve tried the extended fov position? all the time? often? sometimes? what about aiming & shooting? switch position every time? i like binos for it's natural aiming, just like without NODs from any shoulder and can't understand what the benefit to shoot looking not directly on target. i ve tried something like it with moving tubes as fas away as possible on conventional binocular and it was strange a little, but surely more FOV, i can imagine what you mean about brain-fused-zone3. as for me weak point of bridges like it is obvious. It's more PVS-14 problem. Good unit, but it was desinged as single monocular... First time i ve got that problem after making my own bridge with 2 j-arms, it wasnt noticable, but never had that kind of headache ever. my eyes was fckd as hell and after i ve tried wilcox bridge all the problems gone away as it's rock solid, even if it's heavy. and if for tactical usage my official position is "second tube is good, but COTI is a must", so im still sceptic about bridged binos as they something like heeeavy. i done with 14ies, got 15+COTI instead, but have some NSEASes laying around so i can technically try to make something like that bridge for testing, maybe it worth just to try as it's easy enough.
@@yaneemdetey You turn your head to shoot, same as really when you do anything else. NVD training teaches us to constantly scan, so the middle blind spot is not as big of a deal as you would think. Your head is moving enough where you really don't notice it unless you focus on it. I have a 3D printed Quad tube setup and I got blind spots between the outer tubes (because I haven't made the ocular prisms for them yet). In practice, those black bars have not disrupted my actual performance.
Very neat, but I feel like $500-700 is kind of an insane price for a few pieces of plastic and screws. I hope the final release looks better, the finish on it is *rough*
What an excellent design. People who don't like the panoramic part fail to see that it is still an incredibly light dual bridge and can be used as such.
👍👍 exactly. The adjustable FOV is useful also. You still get more FOV even if it’s not at max width
And some 'fail on their faces' trying to justify purchasing a certain brand of bridges for premier visuals over another.
They are all light. If someone is going to pick one over the other, it behooves of them to pick function over micro-ounces in weight differences.
That bridge is so sick. Nothing but good things about it from multiple dudes
When I first saw these I thought they were kinda gimmicky but now I'm definitely sold. It's great to see actual innovation that's also available to the public!
I was blessed to have a friend find me a gently used blemless Elbit Gen 3 thin filmed green phos PVS-14 for $1950 shipped. Low Light Innovations makes a terrific "white" filter that essentially mimics white phos in appearance with limited light transmission loss for only $25. To save money on the mount, he suggested an "Evolution Gear L4G24 NVG Mount Perfect Replica" for only $85 shipped instead of the $465 for the real one, and the quality is phenomenal. I also picked up a used Wilcox AN/PVS-14 Arm for $150 shipped down from the original $229 price. Botach has a Longfri Level IIIA ballistic helmet for only $199 that is around 3 pounds, good quality for the price and there are lots of ballistic test videos on them. I also went with the FCS AMP Headset that is a fully functioning Replica of the Ops Core AMP for only $175 shipped down from $999 for the real one. I plan on running a Disco 32 PTT with them to get my Comms squared away. Although all of this stuff is still expensive, there are ways of making NVGs and Comms realistically affordable instead of an unobtainable pipe dream. I highly encourage yourself and others to do the same. I was able to have just as functional of a setup for a little more than $2,500 that would have been $7,500+ if I had gone "Gucci" on everything.
@@abel4776 Everything is still going strong but I would advise against my earlier endorsement of the FCS AMP Replica of the Ops Core AMP. Just go with some real Peltors. The Disco 32 PTT is great though especially for under $100… paired with a Baofeng UV8R and your Comms will be squared away.
Neil is a stand up dude. I’ve talked to him before regarding customer service related stuff and I was absolutely blown away by how cool he is and how committed he was to his product.
Glad to see another review bro. Always a pleasure
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I am dying laughing. I've been watching all of your videos for 3 weeks researching and learning. Called tnvc and talked to a Will. Then bought a pvs14 from them online for the 4th of July sale. Just found this video saying you are Will. Wow that's a small world :)
Lol 👍🏼
That’s siiiiiick. I can’t wait to get a second pvs14 and try this out
Wow you are quick with these reviews man! Was just reading about it the other day.
always wondered why people dont do this with duals. great product
Awesome review. I recently got my dual14s colimated as per your recommendation and I love them even more. I’ve never been more excited to have my warranty expire after seeing this review!
How do you go about having dual 14’s collimated? I only have one right now but am planning a second so I can bridge
@@revvyishonisd5027 Ideally, them to someone and pay to have it done professionally.
Otherwise, you can try this DIY technique:
www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/DIY-Collimation-Technique/18-510765/
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION I have an nvision L3 unfilmed 14 and plan on buying a second from them. Can they do it? This sounds like warranty voiding work lol. Also do you have decide on and stick with the same bridge once you do this? Before seeing this bridge I was planning on going with the tnvc NPB since it seemed to give the best chance of not needing collimating. But this bridge seems like the way to go now.
@@revvyishonisd5027 That's a good question about being bridge specific... I use a NPBM and I sent the entire set to Mod Armory. The setup before gave me a cross-eyed feeling that would go away within 30 seconds but I could feel my eyes getting tired after about 1 hour of continuous use. I was going to use the DIY that nitewalker posted but I couldn't get my hands on the right spanner wrench. Based on the description, it seems its a device-alignment issue and not necessarily based on the bridge... but I could be way off here. I think my plan is to get this panobridge and digital power things and eventually have them serviced and installed by some pros. If the collimation seems off, I can have it redone then. Am I off here? Thanks.
@@alexanderchung6402 yeah I think the goal of the collimation is to make the same point’s of an image line up inside each tubes individual 40* fov, in the same place in both of them independently. Which is why adjusting the front lenses can achieve this goal. Slight tweaks to the tubes input image can adjust the output image, probably regardless of what the whole devices orientation is. So I’d actually bet swapping bridges or flip flopping left and right devices doesn’t have a large negative impact, now that I’m thinking about it at bit. But I’m just guessing lol
Wow, that thing looks awesome, I might need to pick up a second pvs14 and one of these...
I’ve been wondering when you was gonna drop a video and man did you drop a good one!!
Thanks brother 🤙
You sold me. I'm still waiting for my Universal Bridge Mount and OSS that I ordered from TNVC back in January. It appears my panobridge will arrive first.
Uggh yeah that sucks. Every bridge has its pluses and minuses. The KVC has several pluses but unfortunately being very lightweight isn’t one of them
Glad you did this review! Saw this a couple weeks ago and thought it was an excellent idea.
NODs newbie here, but when you said center thermal i was shocked. That is so damn cool
That's really cool. A practical way to give every user a more Seal Team performance on a budget.
Literally 5 pieces of metal that could be manufactured with machines from a century ago are now sold to people as someting incredibly innovative for more than 500 bucks.
I am always impressed how they do that.
Just pay the price and get TNVC pbm
It's about time.. figured someone would make a night vision mount as I had to modify mine, too high to low not deep enoug to level your eye sight. I'll check it out
Thanks Will for bringing another great NV product to our attention. You make great videos, and I really appreciate that being new to the game
Thanks brother 🤙
I hope Noisefighers gets the Breach arm working 👍
I wish 14s had external battery kits, I’d have totally done this if they did.
thats pretty sic sur can i get my cereal box gpnvgs now, cant wait to see a pvs31 review
As a EMS Helicopter pilot who's logged hundreds of hours under night vision, I'd have to say that Pano function would drive me crazy. I Definitely like the weight and simplicity aspect though. If only they'd make a version with no Pano function then I'd be sold.
I'm in the same boat. Though he did say you can tighten the hinge points making it more difficult to adjust, perhaps almost locking it in place. That and you could probably use paracord or a zip tie to cinch the two sides around the front to prevent them from angling out. So long as they are parallel when pushed all the way in. Not pretty looking, but neither are dual 14's.
What a time to be alive for N.V.
would you still run this over dedicated binos?
hope there will be a dedicated bino version of this that doesn't need PVS-14 pods...
Panobino is coming later this year if Nocturn Industries and I can get it looking good. It was announced in the Panobridge press release on Soldier Systems, by the way, along with other info.
@@noisefighters will the panobino have capability for an external battery pack?
@@CharleyVCU1988 It's not yet set in stone. We are still evaluating all the options. We might have one version that only takes a single CR123A and one that takes external battery pack, for example.
Best looking and most un clunky bridge on the market
Thanks. Glad to hear you think that.
This is super cool. Now if only I didn’t have the budget of a squirrel, I could afford it.
If I am not mistaken this was already tested 20 years ago, during anvis-10 prototyping and result was that it causes headache etc.
I can’t speak to the testing that occurred in the early 2000s, but I can say my original prototype had fixed outboard tube rotation, just like the headsets you’re talking about, and it didn’t work for most people who tested it. Instant headache. What my Panobridge does is allow the user to adjust it perfectly to their eyes and brain with the additional panning mechanism / joint. That’s the key that makes the system work for everyone who’s tested it so far.
@@noisefighters thanks for your insight ;-)
@@stephenjameson4911 I've personally tried it and can say that it's really important to get the fit right for yourself specifically. Once I was making my adjustments and finally hit that sweet spot, I made sure to loctite the heck out of it. Zero headaches after that.
As the duel thermmal and PVS 14 king are you going to make a video on the new arm that is shipping with the panobridge for thermal monoculars?
There’s a good chance 😉
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION Awesome! Can't wait!
As soon as I saw this I took a pvs14 and a pvs7 and simulated the effect. The wider vision seemed substantial in my basement.
If I can get up the nerve to exchange the tube from my 7 into a 14 home I'll have already ordered the pano-bridge .
"American made" sold that deal.
Thanks for the great info again.
Side note.. Know anyone in the Maryland area who would want to perform the switch as for a fee?
The 10130 tube in the -7 can't be used in a -14 which requires a 11769 (for the gain control to work) or 10160 (no gain control). Best bet is to get another -14.
The ideal setting would probably be at 60° and if you are running 51° fov lens you could probably push it all the way out to 70° and not notice much of a blind spot in the center.
If they make a dedicated housing that does all this I’d be all for it, rather avoid dual 14’s if I can
Panobino is coming out later this year if the stars align.
@@noisefighters where can i send my money ? Ill pre-order the pre-order right now
*Plankton screaming YES*
The thermal trick is cool but I wouldn't envy your spine running around with that
Are those energizers your favorite 123? I have bought a lot of surefires off amazon that I used to find suspect, but the fact that every month, they come with a newer expiration date, I think they’re fine. But I wonder if there’s better out there
Those are my two go-to CR123A's - SF and Energizer
What mount do you recommend to go with this setup to get them closest to the helmet when they are stored in the up position?
I prefer the angle of the Wilcox G24 and it’s what I recommend.
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION Sweet thanks.
Would love to see your thermal attached to this please! :) It's the FLIR right?
No way to attach Breach or MH25 currently to Panobridge, but I'm working on a replacement arm for people who want to do that.
@@noisefighters ok, sold, I'm buying one right now! I don't mind a wait to run a Breach with my pvs14 ☺️
@@noisefighters any idea on when you expect to release the arm your working on?
Just get ECOTIs for both the 14s. Its only gonna weigh like 50lbs.
@@josephdeliz3455 ohh sarcasm 🥃🍟
Even if you don’t like the pano feature. Dual 14s at 22 ounce!!
So, what you're saying is that I can now become Sam Fisher, officially. Dope.
Damn that takes me back
I’ve been looking for NVG goggles? What do you suggest for goggles under $5000? What is the difference between green and white phosphor tubes also, 40 degree and 50 degree view?
Thanks,
TJ
I'm a little late to this video but does TNVC ship to the UK? (I'm aware you lot don't ship actual devices since laws prevent you from doing so) - though I'm thinking of getting accessories/mounts such as an ops-core helmet liner and/or Wilcox G24 mount.
Thanks.
Picked one up. My duals are only 6oz heavier than the DTNVS. Have to say, everyone complaining about them haven’t used them. They’re actually really good and I like the FOV flexibility.
Now, do I necessarily agree with the price point? Nah. I think they belong in the $300 range. In any case, these have already been replicated in the 3D printing world.
due to my limited intelligence, is there a way to mount the "Breach" to the panobridge ?
No, this is meant for attaching two PVS-14s
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION now you've gone & made me rationalize buying another PVS14 & the panobridge .... its not my fault, really its an addiction!!
Hey will this work for binocular function with the flir beach & pvs14 like the knights vision mount you had set up. Understanding if you go into pano mode it may be weird but will they line up for straight ahead binocular function? Asking because of the indefinite back order through tnvc with my universal bridge set up like you did thank you your reviews are very informative
Yes, it will work to mount both together effectively but not as good as the KVC does because the breach has to be articulated for IPD. I did a recent video going over the breach & -14
i want this kind of product for my night hunting,and I didn't know were it available in my country
What does it look like through them with them on the widest setting
You get the widest FOV but depending on the tubes the image can get a little buggy. It may not be a issue for some but for others it could be an issue. IMO, it’s better in a middle setting so you’re looking mostly through zone 1 & 2 of the tubes.
What is the weight if you keep the standard battery compartments in?
About 23.9oz.
With the pano bridge, do you still have to collimate the 14's?
can you use 3 of these to quad mount?
Do you have any experience with the Cod 4 Defense NVB-58? If so, which would you recommend?
I don’t have any experience with it
Any recommendations for a bridge to run a NOX-18 with a PVS-14?
The Wilcox bridge works well since it is a dovetail interface. The dovetail on the NOX-18 is swappable between the standard location or in the pic mount location
can you run a breach and a pvs14 with this?
Yes you can and it works fairly well. I still prefer KVC but it costs more than double and they haven’t been in stock for over a year. Hopefully soon they’ll be shipping some more out
Do you have to run them in max tilt? Or can you have it somewhere in the middle for angling out?
They are adjustable so they don’t have to be at maximum spread
are these 51 degree tubes?
7:51 - Enhance.
Maybe I am not understanding but that demo picture of the pano bridge seems to suggest that the tubes are interesting in the middle, while you said there is a dead zone in the middle
The dead zone is at closer distances and it's based on how wide you set them. Neal did a video on the Noisefighters You Tube explaining it. ua-cam.com/video/6Fe0RMhzg9Q/v-deo.html
Old it be possible to run the dual PVS14 battery pack with this set up?
Great review, do you like the FOV this mount provides over a dedicated set of duals?
The extra FOV is nice but the main thing I like about this bridge is the lightweight.
Is there a way to use one of the Noisefighter CR-123 power sources to power BOTH PVS14’s on a dual bridge build?
No
Do the standard battery compartments accept both AA and 123s also?
man if noisefighters ever made their own housing, lightening it up even more, they could change the game. articulating panning nods. one day haha
Look at the Nocturn Tanto.
I’ve been waiting for this
Thanks for the review of a cool product. I am planning to get binos, but now I may wait until the pano binos come out. I was interested in upgrading the power supply for my PVS-14. Who do you recommend do the work if I purchase the battery pack from noisefighters?
Hey I have a fake panobridge by FMA…. You think I could send it to you for a comparison review?
Money being no object (theoretically!). This setup with dual 14’s with great tubes versus a dedicated bino setup with great tubes as well? Every video up to this date has always said good binos always beat great pair of 14’s. Still hold true??
Yes, it still holds true.
How durable is this mount? How much force can it withstand without breakage?
Don’t have any exact data but Noisefighters says the material virtually indestructible. It’s designed to flex.
Great video dude. I have a quick question since you have been able to play around with these for a bit. When you are using it in a wider field of view configuration do you notice any loss in depth perception? or is it mainly just a resolution loss? Thanks for your time.
It’s basically resolution loss. As I said in the video, some tubes will have more distortion than others in the zone 2/3 part of the tube, so how much effect it has is dependent on the tubes. What I do is spread it out to the best FOV that maintains a good image.
Hi, since I developed this, I wanted to answer directly and say that yes, the depth perception is going to be compromised whenever the tubes are not aligned perfectly. However, if you use the technique Nitewalker talks about by going half-way outboard and achieving 55-65 degrees FOV, then the central, overlapped portion will still have decent resolution and provide the depth perception people are used to with binos.
Thanks for the fast responses guys. That definitely helps and I'll be looking at picking these up in the next month or so. @nitewalker that for the great review and info. @noisefighter nice job making these! These seem really awesome especially with how light you were able to make them.
Binos do not actually give you depth perception, at least no more than a monocular does. The biggest cue for range estimation we have is caused by your eyeballs panning inward and our brain senses essentially the muscle strain. More strain means looking at a closer object. Less strain means a further object. With night vision the tube does not actively move with our eyes, so our depth perception is 100% reliant on our ability to interpret what we see since our eyeballs are essentially static in the same position when looking through our NVD, the same way that we can tell what is closer or further objects in a picture by how they appear, even though the picture and technically all the objects are actually at a fixed distance from our eyes.
As OP and OEM noted, the actual issue is resolution. The noise (static) in your tube is random, but by sheer probability wherever the static is in one image is likely not in the exact same place on the other tube at the same moment. This allows your brain to fill in the missing gap and you see an image that appears less noisy, clearer. Without this overlap you will see static closer to as if you were using a monocular. In other words, even this is not really that significant of a downside. If you can run a monocular, you should not have any performance issues running this bridge. It isn't like the noise will be any worse than what is inherent in each individual tube. I personally think the resolution gains from binos are a little overrated to begin with, but I'm also not a huge tube spec snob either. Even 90's surplus Gen 3 that are essentially military rejects are good enough to me, even though current new tubes are like almost 3x better.
It is aluminum or ABS plastic?
Curious to the performance with the 51 degree FOV kit
Thats what im thinkin
Not good I would assume, those kits distort badly at edges. Not fun looking through two distorted zone 3s
So can this work with 4 of them?
Will, you think it'd be good to buy while it's in stock, or wait for a possible v2? I have 1 tube probably a year away from another.
i really like this
If you could only have one setup, would you choose BNVD-SG or panobridge?
Good question but hypotheticals suck, lol, because if you dig this stuff you’ll get more gear. It’s rare for someone to ever only have one setup. But….with that type of hypothetical I would do dual PVS-14s because 2 is 1 and 1 is none
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION thanks for the input, I current have a panobridge, but dislike the weight
where can i get that PVS-14 replacement battery compartment?
It's available on the Noisefighters website and also at Nightline, Inc.'s website, as well.
@@noisefighters thanks!!! 👍🏽
can u mount Flir MNVD‘s instead of pvs 14‘s ?
No. This requires the 1/4 x 20 camera thread like what comes on PVS-14s. The FLIR uses a MUM rail.
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION thanks
@@cagrihancakmak3048 it’s worth contacting noisefighters. I believe he may be working on bridges for other devices
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION i hope they release that soon
Will this be available internationally or only in the US?
Nightline, Inc. is my export partner. They are getting things ready for international shipments.
@@noisefighters Sweet. Any plans on making a version for minirail devices?
What kind of pvs are you running
They are PVS-14’s with L3Harris unfilmed white phosphor image tubes inside
they better than bino then?
Well, it depends on the bino. A newer lighter weight bino is better but if the bino is heavier than duals on the Panobridge then I’ll take the Panobridge. The key benefit of the Panobridge IMO is it offers a light weight solution to run two existing PVS-14s. The adjustable FOV is an excellent add-on feature. It’s a great solution for people or organizations who have multiple PVS-14s without the budget to purchase a dedicated bino system or true panoramic system like the GPNVG
Do you think it’s worth canceling my order for RNVGs for 2 PVS-14s and this bridge?
No I don’t. This bridge is suited for someone who currently has two -14’s and wants to bridge them. The adjustable FOV is a nice feature but the key feature is the lightweight. The RNVG is 20oz as it is and made out of aluminum
Widest view = center blind spot ... so don’t try to fight Riddick, gotcha.
What's this thing made of? Plastic, titanium, aluminium, unobtanium?
It's a performance polymer (plastic) made by Arkema, with stainless steel fasteners.
All they need now is a bridge like this that replaces the battery housing to a single helmet mounted pack and a sync’d gain/ focus
why do you try to discourage people from running dual pvs-14?
Mainly because the majority of people I've communicated with who get them end up switching to a dedicated bino. A minority like dual -14s however the majority don't.
But how do these work with ecotis I wonder
Works fine. It depends on how wide you put it. I run it at a middle setting. You just have to scan more to aim the thermal in the direction you want to scan with it.
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION wow. Quick reply. Thanks man.
They need a bridge that replaces the battery housings.
My only complaint is the price 550$ just for an adapter is overpriced to me
I need a set for my rock climbing partner everywhere seems to be either too expensive or sold out, I have 500$ would anyone happen to have a pair for sale? (Helment and Mount not needed but would still buy)
Wait, are you looking to get a Pvs14 for 500?
@@nikanor8152 I don't care what model just something my friend can mount on their Helment to see and know that their ropes are set in the right positions.
you might get lucky and find a used, not very high spec 14 for like 1.5-2k. Anything below that and you're better off with a decent flashlight
@@nikanor8152 The purpose of getting my friend their own set of night vision is so that every time they turn to look at me I won't have a lighthouse of a head lamp beaming directly at my face.
$500 for a PAIR of PVS14’s?!? You’re joking right? You can’t even buy a single housing, without a tube for $500. Increase your budget by 8 times and you might get lucky enough to find two used PVS14’s. Also, the panobridge is $550, so there’s that hurdle for you as well.
Every n.v.g video should start with price then do the spill
Pretty nifty
Nothing like a $600 piece of plastic that costs $20 to make!!!! Ripping folks a new one on the daily! Nice job 👍🏼
I have the FMA pano bridge and it works great! For $18 bucks it’s good quality material.
Do this fall under itar .rules
Yes
@@NITEWALKER-NIGHTVISION thanks bro
@@darylthompson5071 🤙
looks like this bridge is promoted by REALLY GOOD PR manager. It's everywhere but i cant believe it can be used in real world. Most bridges of those type have a weak spot near 14 housing screw - you just cant fix it really straight. There are few bridges with workarounds (wilcox have an extra screw that counter the unit at front and wont allow it to move at all), but that problem exist starting from original j-arm design and it's solely PVS-14 problem. It's extremly easy to misalign 14ies on modarmory bridge and get the headache. It wont be even noticable. What we can see here? That bridge looks like very similar to modarmory one and i dont see anything that says it's axis fixed better than on D14 bridge... That's the first point and the first major reason to say i dont believe in that bridge as good PVS-14 bridge. The second reason is the fact a little FOV increasement just wont worth it. 3rd zones as center are big downside. Thermal between monoculars is ridiculous as there is a big difference in brigthness of I2 tube output window and microdisplay and it's not fixed with NVGs. Even being mounted (ducktaped lol) to that bridge, it will weight much more oz. than acceptable. So, what is the use case for it? What about worning off? Even if you dont have headaches from prev. reasons, why you may want to use it? i can accept there is some common sense in 4x14 with two fixed bridges like like a real pano, but that... What the hell is that!?
As someone who has used them for several classes (primarily force on force) I can tell you with confidence that these are phenomenal. Massive advantage over duals in FOV and weight. Since the edges of both units “zone 3” overlap, it gives your brain more information which, in my experience, compiles the data/image into better-than-zone-3 image. The advantage you get from the ~70° FOV CANT be understated. As far as the “weak point,” only time will tell, but with modern polymers and ever improving manufacturing processes, I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a non issue.
@@spencerreeves3492 i can believe you like it. what was the training environment? CQB? rural area? suburb? woods?
how often you ve tried the extended fov position? all the time? often? sometimes?
what about aiming & shooting? switch position every time?
i like binos for it's natural aiming, just like without NODs from any shoulder and can't understand what the benefit to shoot looking not directly on target.
i ve tried something like it with moving tubes as fas away as possible on conventional binocular and it was strange a little, but surely more FOV, i can imagine what you mean about brain-fused-zone3.
as for me weak point of bridges like it is obvious. It's more PVS-14 problem. Good unit, but it was desinged as single monocular... First time i ve got that problem after making my own bridge with 2 j-arms, it wasnt noticable, but never had that kind of headache ever. my eyes was fckd as hell and after i ve tried wilcox bridge all the problems gone away as it's rock solid, even if it's heavy.
and if for tactical usage my official position is "second tube is good, but COTI is a must", so im still sceptic about bridged binos as they something like heeeavy.
i done with 14ies, got 15+COTI instead, but have some NSEASes laying around so i can technically try to make something like that bridge for testing, maybe it worth just to try as it's easy enough.
@@yaneemdetey You turn your head to shoot, same as really when you do anything else. NVD training teaches us to constantly scan, so the middle blind spot is not as big of a deal as you would think. Your head is moving enough where you really don't notice it unless you focus on it.
I have a 3D printed Quad tube setup and I got blind spots between the outer tubes (because I haven't made the ocular prisms for them yet). In practice, those black bars have not disrupted my actual performance.
Very neat, but I feel like $500-700 is kind of an insane price for a few pieces of plastic and screws. I hope the final release looks better, the finish on it is *rough*
Oh my lanta
poverty vision 14: big brain edition
damn it how am i gonna afford another pvs14 smh