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Most LGS in my area are allowing 10 proxies even in tournaments with prizes. The community is moving on without them.
Prof, you should make a sign petetion to remove the reserve list. Even if it is online I would gladly sign it!!!
@@jholopez1993 You can do something too! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Prof, when will be the next episode of tolarian winds?
Dear Reckless
Proxies are a necessary evil & Hasbro/WotC also deserve their trouble with illegal forgeries for this nonsense that they are upholding, as well as any other categories of cards in hot demand that they’r not reprinting fast enough in meaningful quantities.
D-e-s-e-r-v-e i-t!
Back in "the before time" my local store tried to offer Legacy/Vintage as an option but could never get enough interest. As soon as they allowed proxies, we had a full night every week!
Same
@@EvlEgle The issue is that WotC will legitimately suspend his LGS status and ability to host sanctioned tournaments at all if they ever found out. While I agree, and have experienced similar surges when proxies were allowed, it is simply a matter of safeguarding his business (unless he's been trying to sell the same damaged Moat for SCG NM price for five years; then he's just dumb).
I'm just here to appreciate "the before time" comment 😂
@@davidpoelman6152 there was a store near me that allowed proxy legacy night with the fine print being if you won you used some of your winnings to purchase the cards for real so people were just coming and doing absurd decks and beating those who had the cards, and they almost always had a full house.
I've been to stores like yours and they're always a good time. I've also been in stores where the player base has money and so they complain that everyone should use real cards. From what I've observed proxy shops are where it's at.
The man credited with getting Oubliette reprinted has set his sights on the Reserved List. Godspeed, Professor. Godspeed.
How does your comment not have a billion likes already?
*Salute*
If you agree with the Professor let Wizards know! Submit feedback straight to them: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
@@atlys258 a billion people don't play magic... Yet... Lol
@@olah420 just did :)
Mark Rosewater: There's nothing I can do about it, my hands are tied.
The Professor: Fine, I'll do it myself.
Mark Rosewater: How will you do that?
The Professor: *laughs in Oubliette*
@@Cheapducky Gauntlet fitted with the 5 original Mox (Moxen idk)
And yet, one year later...
Legally he knows his hands are not tied. Maro has done everything he can, quite literally, because he doesnt take the executive decisions at hasbro. He might have tried, but the true blockade is not the RL players, its WotC itself... :(
And two years later, magic 30th anniversary breaks the list apart. Indeed, the Professor he is
it really is a shame that only millionaires can afford to draft mtg30th. sounds like a good time
@@Jalae having a good time isn't for you I guess
@@Jalae Don't buy it till they get desperate and cut the price down by atleast 90%.
@@Jalae For that kind of money I can have a much funner time than drafting Magic.
@@Wallyworld30 I guess I could demote Lisette from commander and get Atraxa along with a gaea’s cradle. If I must speak mtg
"Ultra-Mythics" also known as: Expeditions
In the case of reserve list reprints they could go with the "priceless treasures" thing they had going for OG Zendikar.
Or even time-shifted purple rares. The original expeditions
Or these days, box-toppers, because they seem to be confusing the terms expeditions and box-toppers in the new Zebdikar set.
@@ArchChronarch Priceless treasures used pre existing reserve list cards that wizards hadn't put into packs. If they reprint then it's not "priceless treasure", it's just a reprint.
Secret lair ultimate edition 2
Pokemon literally reprinted their entire first set including one of its most valuable cards in Holo Charizard and it did nothing to the prices of the vintage cards... Just saying
Exactly. Plus, people don't even play with those as game pieces usually.
they were even standard legal for a time too, I understand wizards wanting to respect people's collections but looking at it now I doubt it would hurt the value of those
@@RozzzaSsarcasmo yeah it's like getting a CD of the dark side of the moon and saying it'll drive the price of the original lp down, old is old, and old is valuable. No excuses.
That's because they new printed cards will never have the wizards logo in them and the 1st edition icon.
The thing is that those are the prices they were meant to have as collector's pieces from the beginning of the game. Reprints of Reserved List cards would still fetch a high price, but the Reserved List as a concept artificially inflated the prices of cards that were already going to be expensive to begin with, so if that price bubble were to burst, prices WOULD tank. Obviously not to hyperbolic levels like 10 dollars, but it wouldn't be insane to see a 300 dollar card drop to 100 dollars. That's still 66% of its price shaved off.
Pleasantkenobi and prof: we need a meaningful reprint of fetchlands.
Wotc suitors: how bout this for meaningful you peasants....
Prof: play stupid games, win stupid prizes... We're gonna add duals to that list of meaningful reprints
Join them in their quest for reprints! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Yes, Please!!!!!! I have been playing this game since unlimited. I own a lot of reserved list cards, and I beg for the removal of this list. Please WOTC listen to this man's wisdom.
@@olah420 it says feedback request but on the wotc side it's probably labeled marketing data collection point lol then all feedback gets printed out and straight to a dumpster fire
WOTC: Here have a walk in my shoes.
-Gives them Jace shoes
@@olah420 Just did it
Can you imagine if Sol Ring STAYED on the Reserve list?
@@Syne111i play yu gi oh, and the card blue eyes white dragon, is reprinted very commenly, and so is Dark magician, but the orginal LOB set 1st edition blue eyes white dragon costs a ton of money. This shows how renoving the reserve list will not effect value as much
@@Syne111 ok, I dont see that happen much in yu gi oh but maybe it happens in magic, even so is it not better to let players have these cards without spending tons of money? There was a card in yu gi oh that everybody HAD to run in order to have a playable deck and was $100 for 3 copies. Same with many many other cards, all the reserve list does is create a gap between the players who cannot afford to pay for the best cards and those who can; us yu gi oh players we celebrate whenever a card gets reprinted and also "no it doesn't " referring to blue eyes white dragon a first edition blue eyes for the LOB set costs well over $1,000 and a non 1st ed will cost you $38 this is a card that has seceral reprints that cost only a few cents. The orginal keeps its value bc it's still rare
A modest professor in a community college by day, the mighty Reprintman by night. The hero we need but we don't deserve.
The Truest Reprintman.
"It is my strong belief that if money wasn't an issue, people would play older formats" You bet, I would.
I've had this discussion with a friend of mine that the format doesn't see a ton of innovation because it prices too many people out. I'd absolutely give the format a shot if it were affordable.
Over the years I've watched several of my local stores try proxy legacy events. People quickly lose interest, returned to other formats, and the stores abandon the events.
Absolutely! I've always been curious about legacy, but again, cant play because of being priced out 😅
I would love to play legacy in paper. So much.
Just play burn!
They don't put anything in 4dollar packs anymore
Thats not true. I found disappointment in a pack just yesterday
@@spicytrans_cupcake554 I just remember opening a handful of packs when I was a kid and still have some random cool collectibles from that time of zendikar and scars.
Nowadays I just buy singles because everything I want is in a collector's booster
Do they even put cards in 4 dollar packs anymore?
Lol, I did like m21 though. It had some good stuff.
Quin M21 is sick
Well, they do. But when those things get too good WotC bans them in a bunch of formats.
I own RL cards. Gaes cradle being the most notable. I dont care if the prices of those cards tanked or not. The RL should be abolished. I'd rather the game be accessible to more people than I would have a 700$ land that I only play in commander.
Same. I also own some og duals and would be more than happy to see other players being able to access these gamepieces. Wtf it's a childrens game after all.
I own one of every dual land, and a gaea's cradle. My pod and I proxy them. I have people in my pod that my cards are older than lol they shouldn't be held back because I'm old and have old cards
I think they should reprint them, but do new art which is very spartan (maybe even no art at all or some ugly thing just to stop counterfeits). Hell, give them new names if possible. That would help to preserve a lot of the value for RL cards and treat them like collectors' items and not some horrible p2win racket.
It would be nice if we could at least like, proxy those cards or something in tournaments or something
a sensible person wont even play with those cards lmao and most old cards are banned anyways so whats the reason and why would you punish the people who helped making mtg big how it like now and ruin all their collection's, what i always say if you dont have the cards just play mtg online.and even if they make a new edition the OLD ART is way better then the new ugly art now a days its all kid's friendly and the funny part is no KID from 12-14 years old is going to the playstore at 21:00 h till 01:00 to play a tournament.
Vince: Reprint Fetchlands you cowards!
Prof: Hold my scotch
So if fetches were the gateway for og duals, what’s next after oubliette?
😂😂
I've got tons of the original duals and the blue third of the power nine. Reprint all of them, cowards!
I have 2 fetches. Ones 25$, the other is 12$
If wizards of the coast wants my money again reprint dual lands and I'll also dump my dual lands for the collectors to pick up I don't want to play with collector items I want to play the game
you sir are a man of honor
But that means... Everybody would be happy. We can't have that!
Yes! I'm a new player. ~3 month in
and I don't know how to deal with the fetchland situation. I like this game, but do I want to support a company that makes staple cards so unavailable?
amen my bro
@@kartoffeldrucker you know you can just go to a card shop and by one right.
This is literally The Professor's mission statement. "Make Magic the Gathering Affordable". I stand behind this idea 100%!
Magic is ridiculously expensive but at least it isn't as expensive as yugioh is
cLuTcH BleacH I hope it never dies
halfpintrr I think he means the death of the game in terms of official play and finance. That way it can be just a game again.
I've played (started in 2003), then quit. started playing again, then quit. then in 2017 started playing yet again. When I got a look at the pricing in 2017 I about crapped my pants at how expensive it was.
For example: Staff of Domination was a $0.50 rare when it came out and for a loooong time after. Now it's $56???? There's no shortage of this card. Fifth Dawn was produced in MASSIVE numbers! Also, why hasn't this card been reprinted in 16 years??
This game will certainly die if we can't get in more new players... and that starts with getting costs under control!!
@@georgedriff5156 How so? Yugioh is usually pretty generous with their reprints, and there are fairly regular reprint sets. You can expect a reprint reasonably soon (their annual tins and supplemental products have reprinted some big cards; e.g., Borreload Savage, Phantazmay, etc.). Their preconstructed decks are usually pretty good, to the point that you can pick up 3 of them (~$10 each; $30 total) and a handful of budget cards to make a surprisingly decent deck (Dinosmasher's Fury, Soulburner, even Shaddoll Showdown come to mind).
I think it's significantly harder to play high-level Magic on a budget.
I think the reason some people dont want the RL to be abolishes is because of a power fantasy. They have powerful cards that others would want and the only way they are going to get it is buy buying from them. Remove the RL and even though their card is a collector no one other than collectors will buy from them now. which is a small margin I for one dont want to buy from collectors and just want those RL cards even if they are reprinted.
"Why not just reprint the cards with different art?"
No, no, he's got a point.
They *were* doing that, and got into shit for it with Hasbro and had to stop. Specifically, Judge foils like Survival of the Fittest.
I'll use my moxen to wipe up your tears while you cry about wanting collectable cards.
Investors drive a large part of cards sales, those same people hold money in rl cards. Making the dumb assumption that people driving price due to playability and collectability are the same thing is hilariously wrong. This is why reprinting with different art won't work.
Mitch no are you sure you replied to the right post..? Edit: Guess he did, it’s just strangely hostile.
@@cosmo56 yeah, strange, people that worked hard for what they have is at risk to lose 10s of thousands of dollars just because some people want everything handed to them and don't want to proxy. Weird.
@@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh why is your retirement in cardboard investments
I don't have masses of reserved list cards. But I do have 11 Duals, 4 Cradles and other Legacy staples.
I'd happily lose my "value" if it meant losing the reserved list.
You my guy, are a hero.
I’m in the same boat. Though I see a world where duals become irrelevant
Same dude. I have enough duels for 8? almost fully kitted EDH decks. Id giev away my value in a heartbeat if more people could play the game at high power levels.
Then first thing I'd do is build RUG Delver 😃
Same man
I can confirm that, if money wasn't keeping me from doing so, I would instantly start playing Legacy.
Time to make your voice heard! Ask Wizards directly to remove the list! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Facts
But then you might not play standard. We want you to play standard, with your friends on Friday night! *counts their money from cycling out sets*
@@snarferyasmr3739 Exactly. It's painfuly obvious what formats Wizards does and does not want people interested in.
I could say the same thing about magic in general
We’re going to get to a weird spot where counterfeits will be allowed in Legacy tournaments.
we're already there. it's how everyone I know plays vintage/legacy, there's not many players buying real cards. just "investors"
You’re already allowed counterfeit cards in your deck, it’s legal ( but frowned on ) to use 7 proxy cards ( fakes )
@ did not know that thanks for the correction 🤘🏼
This already exists, it's called using proxies
@@architectofdreams73 yes but I’ve only ever seen proxies allowed in Vintage tournaments not Legacy.
The professor gets obuilette reprinted and then aims for the reserved list. What a Mad Lad.
I'm so happy the Professor made this video. If you agree with him let Wizards know and submit feedback directly to them: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Go big or go home I guess lol
If they do get rid of the RL, I better see Chronicles 2.
Then 2 years later...
"The reserve list is a lie"
*Uncomfortably sweating Rudy*
He wouldn't care what so ever
@@akselhansen304 sure he wouldn't. As demonstrated in the video, the cards wouldn't lose much value. Or any value in long term.
Taco floppiness intensifies
@@eusouzoom Yep, and Rudy has spelled this out several times.
Players: "Reprint cards we want!"
Wizards: "No."
Players: "Ok we'll play with proxies"
Wizards: shocked pikachu face
I dead-ass couldn't breathe.
Actually Wizards though: "Sweet! We saved you more money to spend on Standard."
@@jasonoshman1079 that's if people are actually playing standard.
@@k1n6n07h1n6 Wizards: "Not a fan of standard right now? ... Can we interest you in some... standard?" *Slides 50 Gold across the digital Arena table*
@@jasonoshman1079 as someone who doesn't play Arena, your gold has no power here!
Man this aged beautifully. Well play Prof, well played🎉
@@austinwilburn1772 I think that was his point, which is why this is so relevant event today. Reserve list is a lie. It only serves to gate keep newer players out of the most popular format. Luxury cardboard rectangles
I came to comment this. Aged even better than the professor himself
How so? Reserve List is still there and never going anywhere. So how did this age so well? also its hilarious how you people lick this dudes boots nonstop; a pseudo-intellectual goofball with the worst takes on nearly everything. lmao
Prof's new goal after getting oubliette reprinted. Get rid of the list.
Lmfao HE'S DRUNK WITH POWER
If he manages it, I will truely applaud him! (And I own most RL cards)
I've gone mad with power!
@@TolarianCommunityCollege You'd be the only one of us with Power at those Power 9 prices...*Ba dum tss*
@@TolarianCommunityCollege have you tried going mad without it????
Isn't the reserve list also in some ways the acknowledgment of the secondary market even though wizards believes that "there is no secondary market".
Exactly
It's more like they're legally obligated to state that they don't believe in the secondary market
There’s numerous examples of this hypocrisy. 5 cards in a secret lair for $300+ but they don’t acknowledge the secondary market? 🤔
they don't believe that, they claim that.
They do acknowledge the secondary market. They work with companies that obviously sell singles. They just ignore the prices.
Legacy and Vintage are pretty much doomed formats without reprints, so I would've thought 'investors' would be in favor of anything that would increase demand for the cards used in those formats🤷♂️
Indeed... I feel the bulk of the market is circle jerky, like a miniature version of the real estate bubble from about a decade ago.
Very few people buy those to play, most buy them "because they're expensive and OUGHT to get more expensive" but I find the idea that few actual players are the ones keeping those cards in circulation is sad
As of the recent spike in the past month or so, absolutely. Legacy is officially dead unless WOTC acts.
The people who would hate the dump of the reserved list likely aren't even fans, they're just daddy's money Porsche owning shitlords.
Literally the only thing stopping me from playing Vintage is how absurdly expensive it is.
Free on XMAGE. Always has been
@@RFlairPC I actually already play on XMage. I meant playing Vintage in paper. Although it isn't always easy to get Vintage games going on XMage, but I do play Vintage on XMage.
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor if you haven't already go to the beta server and ask about the discord. Vintage , legacy and historic drafts multiple times a week with people who finish games. I feel you though I love paper magic but cannot be arsed to spend the kinda money. One option a friend of mine is looking at is getting some high quality proxy's made for a vintage cube.
@@RFlairPC I don't really like draft much, I'm already in the Discord so yeah I'll start asking for Vintage.
@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor I'll cya there brotha
Prof: *chanting "reprint fetchlands" repetitively for years*
WotC: OK, we're reprinting fetchlands in 2021.
Prof: Great, now reprint duals!
I'm seeing your scheme here, and I'm all for it.
You are forgetting oubliette
Yeah cause nobody would be upset about the card that they saved up for months and spent $400+ was suddenly worth $80 cause WoTc sold out. If you can create a solution where those ppl don't get fucked over than reprint dual lands by all means. Until then go work for your shit like the rest of us and save up until you can buy what you need, instead of complaining that you can't have it. This is like complaining lamborghini is too expensive and they should manufacture more so it becomes cheaper for you to buy and drive/enjoy.
Thing is they aren't even reprinting them in meaningful ways :/
@@juniper3847 in 2021 they are, in modern horizons 2
@@BetterYouNow Yeah because "suffer like i did or ill be a lil bitch about it" behavior is currently what is driving away new players and the price points, all because you're butthurt about a piece of cardboard being reprinted for more people to access and enjoy. If you saved up for months and didnt do the research ahead of time or waited to see possible reprints then that's your fault not anyone elses. resell it at a slight loss and buy the cheaper land then, the fuck? or save it to sell a couple years later. comparing a mass printed card that can easily be reprinted at any time, to a luxury car is the weakest example you can come up with. In fact, its ironic considering a similar example was literally explained in this video. TL:DR You're an idiot.
It always makes me sad when I see or hear about an "investor" who buys up cards and doesn't even play the game
at least those cards are still around thinks to those investors
@@kalackninja Yeah because players are known for tearing up their cards on the regular.
A player's collection and an investor's collection run very similar risks, overall.
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos yes so why fuck over your fellow players investments?
But players do play with them and do damage them.
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos Because you know, there aren't such cards that are MP/HP/Damaged right? Because... players and collectors are VERY similar.
@@jdmj0 Yeah, because the only way a card degrades is through play, and because players still treat cards like garbage just like they did in '95.
The beauty of proxy cards
My favorites are the Vintage Masters dual lands that i have...so awesome!
@@ericvernon1182 where can I get these?
If it's just a game, I see no reason why people can't just use proxy.
@@SheldonCoopersBrain just google mtg proxy cards and you'll find sites that sell many proxies for cheap, and if you don't play competitively, then proxies are the better option.
@@SheldonCoopersBrain I'm not sure the professor would like it if I started pushing Chinese proxy companies in his comments section...but if you Google the name of the UB dual land followed by the word proxy you can find the site I use...
To be honest even if it did drop the value of the cards i wouldnt care. maybe, just maybe it's a bad idea to bank on a children's card game as a viable retirement fund. Maybe, just maybe, price locking people out of being able to play a community based game plays into giving the mtg community a bad rep from an outside perspective.
I just want Angus Mackenzie but I dont wanna pay 300 dollars dammit.
You say that, but my beanie babies are set to make me a fortune here when I retire! After all, they were worth millions last I checked! /s
In all seriousness, price is what mainly keeps me from playing magic anymore. Standard was set to change far too often for my liking back when I left the game in 2014. I had played commander for a while, but even there the staples at the time were really expensive, leaving me with janky decks to try and refine. Legacy, Vintage, and Modern weren't even options for me at the time. Now, I just watch as the game slowly crumbles from afar, just as I did with Yu-Gi-Oh years ago.
A lot of anger in you for some reason. People have been making bank on card games for decades, why does that piss you off?
I lost you at the "children's card game" comment. Why are you even on this channel? I've seen plenty of teenagers playing MTG, but never a "kid." Magic is a seriously complex game, with many adult fans.
But, in all seriousness, the Reserved List only really protects the somewhat "newer" and less scarce cards on the list. There's no real reason to "protect" cards from the original few sets. You could reprint those and it wouldn't affect the price at all.
@@eslnoob191 "seriously complex game" you have 40 iq
Just use a proxy for Angus and many players will understand and allow you to continue unless you are in a tournament.
Reprint it into the ground. I just want to be able to find games of paper Legacy more than twice a year.
If you want the list gone submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Proxies!
@@ssnow5516 nobody wants to play with proxies. They're ugly and its just not the same.
@@robbeyer-bowden2097 pretending like old style cards are not ugly by default.
@@mmorkinism old cards are so beautiful. I hope I would started playing when they were around.
IDEA: "keep" the list, just remove all the cards from it! ;) win-win!
Or keep the list but the only card left on it is Wood Elemental.
Or just change the art, names, and list
@@INTCUWUSIUA BOOOOOOOOO
I really want to build a Wood Elemental deck!
No, kookus must remain, along with his keeper. He is too powerful to simply release from his shackles
Or keep the 9 racist cards on reserve list.
Everything else free game.
Remember when Richard Gardfield didn't wanted set lists with the rarity published to avoid the "rich kid syndrome"? This "syndrome" is exactly what the reserved list causes.
Yeah and he also never intended for people to have play sets of black lotus and such. Can you imagine I'd the game was "play what you pull" these days? Would be crazy lol.
He stated, that no card should cost more than 5$ to ensure that everybody can play whatever they want...
*angrily looking at Uro*
@@Cinomod6066 that's a problem of external factors... it'd be impossible to keep that a secret when you'll have people sharing info on the WWW and some would even do the math needed to estimate rarities.
WotC knew it was a lost battle back in the times of message boards
@@caligo7918 yes, but designed the set with cards that are OBVIOUSLY wayyyy more powerful and rare than other cards... so... yeah.
@@thatepicwizardguy That doesn't matter. He thought people would buy maybe two packs in their life and move on. They were not meant to be put in a pedestal.
How about a set called "The Revered, " and it's entirely reprints of the whole reserve list.
YES
@@tmc5243 Ashaya and Multani are better versions of Wood Elemental so it wouldn't see play in most formats probably.
@Sterling Sundby not everything needs to be draftable
That's their point. Wood Elemental is basically unplayable.
The Revered Wood Elemental!
Suddenly a whole swath of players will experience the pain of getting Sharazade cast on them.
I know the content of the video is very important, but no one is talking about your suit and it's such a glorious nice suit. 10/10 suit and tie combo. Love it.
Agreed.
Both foil versions
My wife use to work at men's warehouse she took one look at this video and promptly let me know he got the suit from there.
I was just thinking that! I was like "I wonder where he got that suit from" and "He should get a suit sponsor".
Nuh uh. My cardboard is protec by LAWS. Little known fact!!
"fact"
uhh what? There's no law preventing reprinting.
@@safersephiroth943 no u
@@rjz2 okay?
@@TolarianCommunityCollege Article 7 section 403.2 states, "any reproduction of the reserved list is punishable by a minimum of 3 years in federal prison". That's just the law, Brian. I mean, there's no disagreement there.
*finger curls in on monkey's paw*
Introducing, Secret Lair: Didgeridoo!
I'd be willing to accept a Didgeridoo SLD if it meant the game was widely accessible.
...
... Does it at least come with a couple good Minotaurs? 🤨
@@TopsideCrisis346 Secret Lair: Didgeridoo comes with
1x Didgeridoo
1x Anaba Ancestor
1x Anaba Bodyguard
1x Anaba Shaman
1x Anaba Spirit Crafter
So no, it comes with 3 crappy Minotaurs and 1 decent lord.
I love the “if you have 2 or more opponents” dual lands. They should do more of those, maybe even throw them in the precons.
Those lands are okay except for the fact that they don't count as the respective land type so you can't get them with fetches
Disregard Fetches, Demand Original Dualies.
Or as PleasantKenobi would say: "Reprint Dual Lands you cowards."
Prof got a somewhat meangingful reprint of fetches next year in modern horizons 2.
“Dualies”. Nobody is fighting anybody :)
If you want them to reprint dualies let them know! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
If they don’t want to reprint duals, print trilands that come in untapped and are all 3 respective land types.
Just go out and buy fetches. theres no shortage. They doesnt expire if you play them sleeved.
Duals? Just go out and buy them. theres no shortage. They doesnt expire if you play them sleeved. Buy revised or ita-fra-ger duals. There are a ton out there. No need to get the NM ones, just grab some tournament legal.
Cmon dont be crybabies.
Just got into MTG , (Arena mostly) However I'm a long time Comics collector, and let me tell you a reprint will never, ever will make a first print lose its value. As the professor said, if anything it will just make the original get more attention and just go up in price.
You got it! Let's start speaking up and ask Wizards directly to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Ditto to both the new MTG player and the longtime comics collector. The reserve list makes no economic sense.
Yep this is the point I make every time. your amazing fantasy #16 will never go down in value when they reprint it in a graphic novel or a free comic on free comic book day!
They are just putting money in china's counterfiter pockets at this point.
i as well agree despite evidence proving otherwise
As someone who played back then, the majority of the complainers were *NOT* players, but rather collectible speculators. I've been saying it for 20+ years that the reserved list is damaging to the longevity of the game, as it has basically made the eternal formats, Vintage and Legacy specifically, impossible to enter for newer players. As such they are barely staying alive these days.
Another "fun" thing that makes the reserved list bullshit is that there are cards from Revised (a.k.a. 3rd edition) are on it, you know, the first all reprint set.
And finally, WotC can get rid of the Reserved List tomorrow if they really wanted. Why? Because it is policy, specifically it's official name is "Official Reprint Policy", as it is policy, they can remove it whenever they want just by making a simple news release announcing its abolition. If they do this, they can start designing sets containing cards from it tomorrow. Any lawsuit would then have to prove that they designed the sets *prior* to the lists removal., and as the design lead time for non-standard legal sets is now down to less than a year, that could mean we could get them as early as fall next year.
Absolutely! It's time we as a community started speaking up. Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
a) Wizards is willing to print cards with very similar effects to reserve list cards, like fork and reverberate.
b) Reserve list cards wizards doesn't functionally reprint are generally busted and unfun cards that wizards has demonstrated they have no interest in reprinting (they never reprinted a single OG dual from 1994 - 2010 as a judge promo or anything else)
c) Non reserve list cards are still $100+. Underground sea gets reprinted you not gonna get it for less than $250 unless wizards drastically changes reprint policy
A better strategy is to ban broken cards, because you know, they are busted
and push for effective, fair functional reprints.
I edited point a), as Welverin pointed out my initial statement was incorrect.
Not a chance for RL to go. Even Rosewater stated that the reserved list is here to stay. One time after reprinting a couple of rhe RL cards in FtV something happened. Something even Rosewater was too afraid to publicly state it.
@@rjz2 it doesnt matter if the vast majority of cards on the list are not in high demand what matters is that there are high demand cards on the list. Thats what is hurting the games longevity specifically in legacy and vintage.
Thats the point besides all those cards on the list are still on demand, even if not high demand, for collection, cube, edh or even jank purposes and it takes away from players having such a list.
Interestingly there are two different aspects at play here.
1) The whole "legal argument" about promissory estoppel fails as a result entirely because the speculator community has failed to uphold the community side of the promise.
2) Evidence shows that the value of the original versions will RISE if the cards are reprinted, due to access. Remember that prior to MM1 Tarmogoyf was 80...ish, and after the drop, it spiked up to close to 200 (Obviously it's gone down due to being reprinted another 4 times and due to the metas of modern and legacy) - we've seen this happen with a number of different cards that see play in the largest formats (Modern/EDH/Legacy.)
It also puts newer younger players in an impossible situation if they wanna play vintage, imagine being priced out of a format because some of these cards were printed and hoarded before you were born.
Pokemon TCG recently reprinted their *entire* 1st edition set and sold it in boosters.
Imagine the world's shock when the secondary market for 1st edition pokemon cards didn't collapse.
Damn, I didn't know about this. It's like the perfect argument *for* the reprinting of the reserved list cards. Why isn't this talked about?
Pokémon is not MtG
They did not REPRINT. They printed cards Similar to the old ones. They altered the cards oh HP and abilities. They are also NOT 1st edition etc...
@@chocolateking1143 You're right. They made BETTER versions of them. Literally made them MORE powerful, but the originals are still worth more. Funny, huh?
@@cameronmoerer6244 to be fair the cards are still unplayable. I can count on my fingers how many cards of that set are actually playable. Your point isn't invalid but your argument kinda is.
One thing that the pro-Reserved List crowd has done a great job of (bolstered by WotC employees themselves) is getting almost everyone to talk about the Reserved List in terms of it being a "promise." In actuality, official statements in Duelist magazines and online have consistently referred to the Reserved List as "policy." Don't concede that distinction!
Very important observation! Thankfully, if that is the wording then it's easier for them to renege on such a policy.
@@josephrivera9818 they can't though, not legally without facing a giant class action lawsuit. It's the nature of the 'contract' they established. That has been my understanding and I am not sure prof is right here. I would actually like to hear from a legal expert on this.
Separate from his legal analysis prof touched on what would be the biggest issue with suing, the pretty well established fact that either the original cards won't come down in value, or they'll come down but only as part of a broader rotation of investor money out of reserved list cards and into sealed or another collectible or whatever, not at all due to the broken "promise."
You can't claim you relied on their "promise" to your detriment if there's no detriment, so your case is DOA. Then even if you could somehow win you'd have no damages. No one is spending $120K ballpark to sue over the fact that duals got reprinted and then doubled in value so they're owed $0. Frankly a stronger case would be investor vs investor against the investors who manipulated the market to suppress prices and corner all the product by nagging wizards into making and retaining the reserved list.
@@Chris-ci8vs there is no contract with anyone. the professor is 100% correct. the reserve list has 0 legal leg to stand on. the lack of "consideration" means there is literally no contract. www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/consideration-every-contract-needs-33361.html
@@ParabolicLabs They can also remove cards one by one until there is only the power 9. They won't get any lawsuit because the list still exists. "They fullfiled their promise".
Professor, as an attorney, I can state confidently that this was one of the best layman explanations of Promissory Estoppel I've heard.
The Reserved List protected value 25 years ago and even 15 years ago, but now the value is in the collectibility and the purpose of the purported contract has now been frustrated.
WOTC could modify and or eliminate the reserved list and it would not damage values one bit, in fact I think the vintage cards would increase in value.
People like to foil out their decks. If Legacy came back full force, players would want to buy ABU power rather than newer printings anyway, and my reserve list cards would be in even more demand.
This is actually an interesting insight on the matter. Thanks
This is not true for reserve list cards recently (within the last 2-5 years) purchased, especially the Revised dual lands. Prof omits Revised from his discussion and examples, let's evaluate Birds of Paradise (Approximate MTG Goldfish / large retailer / ebay Pricing):
Alpha $3000 (high variance)
Beta: $1400
Unlimited: $170
...
Revised $15
Modern Printings $7-8
BaB Promo $50
So for birds, it's a 10x jump from Unlimited (3rd) to Revised (4th). It's 200x jump from Revised (3rd) to Alpha for Birds.
Same exercise with Underground Sea:
Alpha: $7500 (high variance)
Beta: $2800
Unlimited: $1000
Revised: $650
It's a 2x jump from Unlimited (3rd) to Revised (4th). It's only 10-15x jump from Revised (3rd) to Alpha.
Convenient omission? A 200 fold price increase vs a 15 fold price premium? The mass reprinting of original Dual Lands would crush Revised Dual prices. There will be casualties of "just print", and they're mostly invested players who already own their Revised duals.
@@apocalex13 You're right. The old versions of cards are high in value because there are only collectors that wants to buyt them. If players AND collectors wants to buy them then the price will go higher in EVERY editions because no matter what you need this card to play. I can't believe people can think this has no effect, either they don't know the basics of economic or they are really dumb. Every argument in this video is BS
Another example is back to basics, look at the price when the card was on the RL and now. The old one has litteraly dropped from 50€ to 10€. It did not increase in value ^^
And I'm not even speaking about cards that wasn't on the RL like grim tutor. This card isn't played in a lot of formats yet its price went from 200~300€ to 80~100€. If the RL disappear the price of the duals will not tank it at all
This comment is so wrong. Eliminating the reserved list wouldn't damage values? Seriously? Cause WoTc wouldn't reprint these cards to oblivion, right?. How many tarmogoyf or Scalding Tarn versions are there? Now imagine if there was just one version, from a set long ago never having been reprinted. Would be worth a lot more right? Of course.
Wizards will never replace the reserved list because it's the shining jewel of MTG. Anyone looking from an outside perspective who's never played goes damn there's cards worth thousands. Now imagine no reserved list, from outside perspective looks like a stupid kids card game. Would lamborghini be as respectable if it was as cheap as toyota's? Stop complaining about exclusivity. You're a socialist, clearly.
@@BetterYouNow If you think that there aren't people who still look at Magic "like a stupid kids card game" even and ESPECIALLY when they find out the price of an Alpha Black Lotus, I've got some bad news for you, friend.
For me as a casual player, duallands, moxes, manacrypt and stuff like that should either be heavily reprinted OR just banned from the commander format. theres such a gigantic paywall and its a little frustrating
Realize lots of cedh games allow proxies. Look up the top deck series
If your group says its casual but plays these, they don’t know what casual means lol
I am an enemy of this list since the beginning. A
game should stay a game. This game will not die as long as its top selling product type: lootboxes, are accepted in paper format.
The gatekeeping elitism and entitlement surrounding "value" is disguting.
Submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know how you feel! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new Let's get rid of the Reserved List!
It's a trading card game. There will always be extreme chase cards. Either play formats that don't require pricy stuff or play chess.
@@VMC_Boy what does that have to do with the topic at hand. Expensive cards will exist without the RL, but that is even more reason for there to not be an RL. Your argument in nonsense.
Jason, there is no point in silly requests. The RL is here to stay. Just save and buy the cards you need or proxy them. There are people who invested bilions of dollars in the RL and they are powerful and wealthy people who can raze the wotc to the ground if the abolish it. My advice is just to get over it and move on
@@radip I honestly don't believe they would be "razed to the ground" given that the WotC's lawyers are Hasbro's lawyers, who fight legal cases against much bigger corporations on a daily basis. Besides, a promissory estoppel is a case so weak that one would have to be willing to spend their cards investment itself to win a case that is not worth it
I'm someone with limited funds, where a $300 deck is an investment I make over a few months. The Professor is spot on. I'm a player who would love to play competitive powerful decks, but looking at a price of $1000+ for a 'budget' cedh deck makes me want to vomit.
I want to play a card game, not pay for multiple months of rent as cardboard.
I 100% agree. Vote with your voice! Submit feedback straight to Wizards and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Try proxying! It works out great and still feels like normal magic. If you go to philo-jh.github.io/MTG-Proxy-Generator/ you can find a great website to proxy cards. :)
Sorry sir, but with that budget Wizards believe you should be on the Standard hampster wheel.
What's the problem? Just proxy the cards you need. Or play other formats.
Proxies
"Fallen Empires had no power."
HYMN TO TOURACH: Am I joke to you?
Goblin Grenade!
There were some fun playable commons like High Tide, Initiates of the Ebon Hand, and Goblin War Drums
@@mikeciul8599 High Tide is good. I loved Initiates, too!
Well, it was, literally, a joke. So yes
@@mattpfarr6129 🙄
The reserved list is fine. The reserved list is fine. The reserved list is fine.
“There is no war in Ba-Sing-Se.”
The Reserved List makes collectors safe. The reserved list makes players free.
As someone whos only method of playing mtg is kitchen table commander/legacy via cockatrice, the sheer freedom of choice is absolutely a draw for eternal formats and i totally agree that more accessibility of older cards would see eternal formats grow immensely
Still watching, but the moment a LoTR reference came up, had to laugh. So good Prof!
After finishing, I loved all the points you made. While I personally am not worried about the reserved list (I am fine using the jank I have around the house), I would love to be able to play cEDH with my cousin. Having access to cards would allow this, and would let so many people get into the older formats.
In cEDH, its acceptable to use proxies, as most of the needed cards are expensive
Let's start speaking up so these cards ARE more affordable and accessible. Submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know how you feel about the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
@@Cyberbobafett321 It might not feel acceptable to them :)
@@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos
Thats fair enough
Unfortunately his arguments were tremendously weak and inherently dishonest as he employed assumption based logic which is necessarily inherently fallacious. It’s flawed but it’s nature and easily discarded. This video was absolutely worthless and grossly negligent and harmful to the community
Actually i was just thinking about buying an gaeas cradle so this is exacytly my topic right now
Just proxy it.
Not exactly a buyer's market at the moment
As a guy who managed to buy one a few months back, and it was in mail limbo when the price rose, I agree it's likely better to proxy it if you can/if your playgroup is fine with it
Ask Wizards directly to remove the list so you can get one for a price that actually makes sense! support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
The time to buy it was weeks ago. You'll have to wait a few months to hopefully get prices a bit lower than they are now.
I was born in 1998, so I never had the chance to acquire reserve list cards while they were “affordable.” Its really frustrating being locked out of formats just because I wasn’t alive at the “right time.”
I was born in 1987, had some cards back then, but was a filthy little kid ... and my parents were poor af ... so yeah, someday I sold or gifted my small collection to someone, can't remember exactly. ***travels back in time to kick my smaller self in the balls***
no joke. I was too young to care when the original sets came out, so I'm basically locked out.
that's just life man lol
RL still dumb tho
welcome to owning a house now.
I purchased a Gaia's Cradle for $10 back in high school, and the fact that I lost it somewhere along the way still haunts me to this day. A reprint, would help me overcome my biggest magic mistake.
If wizard wont print them, the Chinese will gladly print high quality foil and full art reserved list proxies!
And.. They won't curl.
i found somebody that can actually print proxy money so with that you can buy the real cards.
@@MortalityTechnician: That's actually how you can identify them as "fakes", they don't curl! 😭
This is a good point. They lose money while the chinese fill their pockets with WIZARDS OWN PRODUCTS... That's just dumb to think about.
Keep it up Chinese printers. Fuqm. No reason to protect the secondary market except that it allows them to justify 24 pack boxes for 300+
The year is 2050 and the new set “Return to legends masters 3” has just come out. It features dual lands and reprints of Wayfarer’s Bauble. Life is good.
Except for the 75 dollar a pack price tag.
@@t.estable3856 Hey with inflation, that amount of money in that year might even buy you a coffee!
@@pizzamandhx have you ever heard of starbucks?
@@imperialphoenix1229 answer me this: am I weird/retarded for wanting fetch lands in standard?
And then Dual Lands original printings were worth $0.04 and everyone hated Magic!
By the reserved list's logic, no card should ever be reprinted as it kills the value
Seems like there's a slight difference between your $20 card losing value and your $800+ card losing value
@@somedude3236 Dude, you really have no idea what you're talking about, Blue-Eyes White Dragon in YuGiOh is arguably the most reprinted card ever, but the original LOB printing still is worth over $600
@@somedude3236 those cards never would've been worth $800 in the first place if they were regularly reprinted like every other card in this game.
@@somedude3236 See here's the issue with the argument of an "$800+ card" losing value. The investment into that card in the first place was like $3.50 at most. It's a $3.50 card that has it's value inflated because it's never been reprinted. Though as has been used as an example, Shivan Dragon alpha has a value still well above $5000 even though there are modern reprints of the card. The proxy Collector's Edition has a value of around $130 even though there has been modern reprints of the card.
Reprints don't crush the value of older cards, first edition prints will ALWAYS hold value. Even if you look into other card games, as someone else here has already mentioned, a Blue-Eyes White Dragon (DDS) holds a value of $850 for a DAMAGED copy. Close to $2000 for a NM copy, and it's one of the most reprinted cards in Yu-Gi-Oh. If a card is going to hold value, it will hold that value wither it's reprinted a lot or not, because people will always want to own a first edition or shiny copy of the card and there are only so many copies of the first edition printing.
The issue with MTG is there are to many cry baby investors that don't give two shits about the game who will cry the moment you dare threaten their "investment" for the sake of making the game better. You dare add some risk to their investment and it's like you've kicked their dog. The game is far better off ignoring those investors and doing what is best for the player base.
The reserve list was a stupid idea by WotC to make a small vocal group of people happy, and in the end all it's done is hurt their game in the long run.
@@somedude3236 it's only 800$ because of the reserve list. I wish the moxen and lotuses were widely reprinted bc then collector's would only collect as a hobby rather than a retirement plan.
Abolish the Reserve List!!! Let us play with the cards!!!
YES! We need to start asking Wizards to remove the list - make your voice heard! Submit feedback straight to them: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
You can already do it, go buy them. If you want to have a Rolex you go earn it off instead of crying.
@@edoda1438 but that's exactly everyone's point. You can keep your rolex, we want a normal, functional watch. I want to know the time, you want to watch your rolex in your wardrobe. You do you.
@@edoda1438honestly a rolex have a lot of real value in the material and engineering, the value is not tied only to the brand. All magic cards are made from the same cardboard, so it's not the same thing...
@@edoda1438 The only ones really crying are people like you who don't want others to have what you have.
In every WoTC survey I always wrote "Abolish Reserved List" in the blank answer line.
I do that too! You should also submit feedback straight to Wizards and let them know how you feel: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Dp what makes you feel good. RL is here to stay, You either brag about it for no effect or move on and play with proxies
saaame!
@@olah420 Wizards is aware players *hate* the reserved list. They themselves *hate* the reserved list. The fuel is already there, they just need a spark to start the fire. Problem is, I'm not sure what the spark would be
Same.
I’ve been saying this for years, they should reprint them with different art. First editions are worth more in other card games same for first edition books. In my opinion most of the cards on the list are losing value because no one wants to pay 14k for a magic deck
This solution is so obvious, that it's almost comical they haven't done it. The change in card borders alone would be enough to make it obvious which is new and which is original, but new art is an even better idea. They certainly love releasing cards with two or three different styles in a single set as of late.
@@wesleywyndam-pryce5305 I think it's specifically to make it obvious which ones are the new cards. For people just wanting a copy so they can play it, it doesn't matter that much what the art or border looks like, but for actual collectors, and there will still be tons of those people, the original art and border is PARAMOUNT. That way basically everyone can get what they want...collectors can still own their original printings that are still very obviously distinct and hard to get, and new players can have access to the cards for their effects.
Ya know, i have almost all cards from reserved list. I have friends that also have those. Many of us have vintage and legacy decks, complete and functional... something we all agree, it's how boring it is to always play against the same people, almost same decks, and almost never... 'new blood'
Seriously, no one of us would mind even if our cards value dropped to a cent, thought we have the collection, we are players before that, and watching dust collecting on cases of expensive cards is the worst feeling ever.
Heck, even if the cards went to thousands more we wouldn't care! We wanna play our favorite formats! Not use them as... money bargain!
The same for me. Have them, want others to have them so we can play vintage for real :)
Yeah I have thousands of dollars worth of reserve list cards. But they are useless because I can almost never find people with the collection to play. Please reprint them. Even if it drives the $$ value down for my collection. My true value of the cards is the ability to play magic with them.
what you guys should do is gather all the people who said they wanted a reserved list and say Take it down for the sake of the game and see what happens. Maybe then you guys can play mtg with us New Bloods Lol
@@ArmyAlex95 Honestly, what saved MTG games for me n' friends was commander, as i can still somewhat use many of my collections without 'breaking' the game to unjust levels (well, sadly no using Mishra's Workshop and alike). Got to the point that even competitions we've stopped playing cause some people are using proxy to play for fun instead of using those thousands to play the game or that just can't find the damn card to build the deck... just sad.
@@zukiginagato2215 I definitely see what your saying. im glad to hear you and your friends found commander as your saving point, because me and my buddies only play that format LOL we love it. I just recently made a Muldrotha graveyard deck and it was disgusting. I had so much fun with her and my friends did not, lol. Reserved list or not, i still find ways to have a 6 hr game period go by in like 20 minutes it feels. i like magic too much
- the reserved list is a lie?
- it always has been.
- and it is here to stay
*Bends Expensive Cardboard*
100% true and to use other card games as a comparison.
Base set Charizard in Pokemon and LOB-001 Blue-Eyes in Yu-Gi-Oh! both cards debuted in the original set of their games and have been reprinted multiple times and did that in anyway affect the original printings why yes, yes it did? It drove the prices of the originals further higher because these cards are iconic. While at the same time offering the experience of pulling these cards in newer sets.
It's as if those whining collectors (and WotC) never heard of the vastly different price ranges at which different printings of the same famous books sell. Hell, by now pretty much everything from the 19th century and before (and some since then) is in the public domain, and yet first editions still sell for thousands of dollars. The RL is an obscene farce.
We NEED the dual lands to be printed and widely available.
This is as relevant as ever.
Lets get Wotc on board and print these basic, powerful cards. Let's go.
@@psionicfish bad take... You provide nothing more than your opinion.
@@psionicfish Who says I'm poor? The reserved list is stupid, you're just concerned your '40+ dual lands' will drop so much in value that you won't be able to sell them for a profit. I don't give a fuck of you have 40 dual lands or not bruh, it's more about giving access to these dual lands to everyone equally.
@@psionicfish I can tell you're a Republican (or, just in case you're not american, then generically right wing*) even just from the way you talk about a card game, and that shouldn't make you proud.
*I feel like you're American though.
And that shouldn't make you proud either 😂
@@BradleyAshley you can play shock lands instead of duals with almost no issue in legacy
@@ziegfeld4131 Lol. Just, lol.
As someone who has waged many rhetorical battles on this subject, it's so good to hear the avalanche of dispositive arguments coming from the lips of one of the community's most esteemed thinkers.
It is worth noting that some affirmative legal arguments in favor of Reserved List abolition are also quite strong. The dilution of brand that comes from widespread counterfeiting cuts against the argument that whatever the plaintiffs would be asking for in a promissory estoppel claim is "in the interests of justice". There is also the fact that Hasbro has financial duties to its shareholders, and the egregious sums of money WotC is leaving on the table by *not* reprinting ABUR duals and company would be amount to an abdication of their responsibility to those shareholders.
Furthermore, notice of an upcoming change to the policy set out more than a few years would dry up the claim that investors were acting in reliance on an immutable promise in the first place.
And let us not forget the reality of the theoretical lawsuit: it would all but certainly be a class-action suit. Counsel would be assigned, a fair settlement crafted to appeal to the court's punitive instincts would be reached (several orders of magnitude below the several billion USD that r/mtgfinance tells itself it would be owed), and every Magic player who responded to their letter in the mail would get all of a few cents by check.
Magic cards are not stocks. They don't give you leverage over WotC any more than buying sleeves gives you leverage over Ultra Pro.
"And let us not forget the reality of the theoretical lawsuit: it would all but certainly be a class-action suit. Counsel would be assigned, a fair settlement crafted to appeal to the court's punitive instincts would be reached (several orders of magnitude below the several billion USD that r/mtgfinance tells itself it would be owed), and every Magic player who responded to their letter in the mail would get all of a few cents by check."
(disclaimer: I am not a lawyer) I would imagine that it also depends on how far the lawsuit is able to proceed - which (again, just an uneducated guess) I would imagine depends on the arguments presented by plaintiffs, the laws cited as applicable, evidence that such laws are applicable, etc.
@@DanknDerpyGamer Not a lawyer, but some legal training under my belt: it absolutely would. Even getting to the negotiation stage is a big "if" when you're dealing with a novel legal issue that some random judge might just as soon toss out of court.
"But judge, my 3x4 inch piece of cardboard is worth thousands of dollars"
Capcom wouldn't even put that in an Ace Attorney game LMAO
What?
@@kitfisto6345 i think it might have something to do with ace attorney being a court room game, no clue other than than lol
@@kitfisto6345 Ace Attorney games are home to many ridiculous and over the top twists. Gatorboy is saying that one card costing this much is way too ridiculous even for those games
So this list of reserved vs non-reserved list card comparison works great until you start looking at Revised. I'm not saying it doesn't work but I'd say there's a reason you didn't include them in the video.
100% agree
Of the 'Reserved List' there is maybe a less-than-you-think slice of the list which actually are... you know... good. Not to mention the similar slice of cards which *should not* have existed in the first place because they're just too good.
For instance: We don't need Power Nine back any more than we probably need them straight gone.
@@kereminde - Yeah, the only cards I really care about taking off the list are OG duals.
Revised would likely drop a fair bit (depending on how many new ones were printed - if they were printed as rare includes in box toppers? Probably by about 50%), mostly because for many the white border and light coloring is a compromise due to cost, but they'd remain the most accessible version with the old art which people do want. It also doesn't really affect the legal argument either, since collectors aren't collecting Revised as an investment - they "invest" in ABU and other rarities like Summer or FBB. As someone who owns plenty, I say go for it.
because he wouldn't have a video and income from it lol
Revised through Mercadian would crash. It was a deliberate omission.
Starting from the fact that i own Unlimited P9, I agree with the fact that reserved list should not exist. If we look at the numbers of vintage tournaments, we can see they are very very low, with the result that some paper formats are actually dying and are only played online (where u can have all that format's cards for the amount of 2-3 of those paper staples cards) or by rich people.
@@psionicfish I'd play vintage and legacy if the cards were affordable.
I've been saying this for years. The professor has said what I said. You're a good guy professor. It's true. They remade the cards on arena or the other online game
I'm a legacy player and I have some the reserve list and sold them for paying bills and stuffs
Say it straight to Wizards then! Submit feedback and ask them to remove the list: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
I can't imagine if every commander player that wanted a gaea's cradle bought one. There literally wouldn't be enough of them in supply to let the thousands of them even obtain one.
i like the reserve list, sorry. not an investor and don’t own a lot of reserve list cards, but the uniqeness of having treasures out there, that simply are not available easily, appeals to me. everytime a mox is put on the table by someone at my lgs, the whole shop comes over to watch. a mox or a lotus as something magical, that exists out there somewhere, that s a big part of the game for me. there are enough formats to get into. i would leave the reserve list alone. but that’s my oppinion :).
That's fine, even if Wizards doesn't get around to it, the Chinese will. 5 years or less before those unique cards aren't unique, and Wizards won't get a cut.
Reprinting them wouldn't decrease the rarity or special-ness of the originals, it would just make them available to more people. And, historically, drive the price of the originals up due to increased interest. Literally everyone would win.
I can respect that viewpoint as I too see some cards get played and I'm like "Holy S#!t! Is that legit?" That said I just wish those cards weren't the equivalent to a buy-in to some formats or strategies.
The mars trilogy is separated and out of order on your bookshelf.
So glad I wasn't the only one to notice this.
Also, in MTG arena, they had that event where we all could play moxen and black lotus. That was the best event they ever ran. We just wanna play the cards!!!!!
If they eliminated the reserve list I would be much more likely to get into legacy
Then ask them to! Submit feedback straight to Wizards: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Well of course...this is the case with many people. Issue is if legacy would even be a format worth playing if WotC started targetting it for powercreep
it would probably become my main format
@@NurdLMB I don't know why you'd even want to target it since it's just all of best cards all in one place anyway. They've done a pretty good job of powercreeping Legacy just by ignoring it. Every time they make OP stuff in Standard, Modern, or Commander it becomes Legacy's problem to figure out.
I know what you're saying though. Just because something is not a great idea, doesn't mean Wizards won't try it.
I need professor to bring in legal eagle or something cause it sounds like hes saying even if the community wanted to we couldnt sue over the reserved list!
I would 100% watch that!
I think he's arguing it would be a difficult case for the person suing.
You could sue. You can sue anyone over anything, that's a legal right.
You just wouldn't win.
In fact, if the Professor is right about some of the things he says, you might have difficulty finding a lawyer who'd do the suing for you.
I was honestly expecting it to happen when he brought up the legal side of things.
You can sue, you just wouldn't win
I am so glad that the reserve list is protecting the value of cards like Faerie Noble, Goblin Flotila, and Teferi's Imp. I struggle to think of what the prices on those cards would be if not for their inclusion in this program.
The almighty 2/2 Islandwalk for 3, with a downside !
BEHOLD!! The subtle art of sarcasm in action. THIS is how it's done!!
People tend to forget that it's not just the Power 9 that is on the reserved list. When you actually look at it, there are a lot of cards that make no sense being there
As a Yu-Gi-Oh! Player I can say, reprints rarely affect the long term value of higher rarity versions or legacy versions, sure, reprints of meta cards does, but collectors don't invest in new cards for long term value, except for well-known collector rarities (i.e. ultimate rares and starlights)
When I was a little boy, I always wanted those "rare" expensive cards like Mox or Lotus, but I couldn't afford them. Moxen were around a fifty to a hundred and Lotus was around a 1000 back then if my memory serves me right. Now that I'm older and have my job, I should be able to buy them. Alas, they are still too expensive. It's frustrating and it kind of takes the fun out of my favorite game knowing, that I will never hold those cards in my hands simply because I was born too late.
Buy Chinese counterfeits, they look superb, that is what I did.
The reserve list is evil. Reprint everything. Gamepieces not fucking stocks, simple as
Seems like a similar situation to investment using comics. Action Comics #1 can run into the millions, but that doesn’t mean the $4-6 reprint I pick up is going to tank that price.
To some extent I agree but there is no competitive game based around comic books.
@@VMC_Boy Exactly Action Comics is simply a collectible so a reprint has no value. That is the same logic that a old collectible currency doesn't lose value because we print money every year.
hot take: even if it did hurt hardcore collectors..who gives a shit? are we really that devoted to MTG's worst fans that we're willing to keep out new players to protect their precious investments?
The only relevant argument.
Facts. Are “investors” really a higher priority than people who actually play the game? This is a kids card game, not a stock market
@@JujuInFlames Also, investors rarely buy any new cards which would provide profit to wotc.
Hot take: what's up with these entitled opinions? Have you ever had your chase card reprinted (or banned) right after you finally acquired it and felt that loss? Maybe you're too new to have experienced it. Multiply that across the most invested (time, effort, money) players/collectors who have bought in, supported, and built this game.
"Reprint everything" to make modern formats more accessible to the masses unfortunately meant killing (creating a glass ceiling and slowly eroding) the value of modern cards and collections... and now you're whining about the logical conclusion that modern price instability and aggressive reprinting has lead to the value of modern cards collapsing and another reserved list buyout? Congrats, modern will be more accessible - but at the cost you'll never again feel comfortable holding multiple copies of modern chase cards or buying anything "because it could probably be reprinted in 6 months on the next List or Mystery draft set... or even at any moment as a way cooler, flashier secret lair".
I'm okay with modern accessibility, I like having most aspects of the game being more affordable, and who knows maybe the ultra flashy premium versions of things might retain some value if they're not printed into the ground. I now wish I had bought missing reserved list cards to fill out my collection more at an affordable price, but could say the same thing to 2010 or 2000 me. But I'm happy I'm financially stable, have some money saved, and finally decided to acquire copies of certain reserved cards because buying after this mania would have been a hard pill to swallow again as a long time player.
If you're playing commander and feel price gated, just use gold border or a sharpie or even make your own custom alters if you're playing cEDH. Go nuts, it's casual, Rule 0. Or ask Wizards to make a gold border set. If you want to play legacy, save some money, spend some time, work for what you want and acquire some sleeve-playable copies of what you need... and rest assured that even though you're spending potentially a few hundred (to maybe a thousand dollars), at least your cards might retain some value thanks to the reserve list. Or request WoTC to start a system where you can "pay for a sanctioned rental set of proxies" - enfranchised players would likely be fine with that, it means they don't have to play with their expensive cards at tournaments, and no additional supply means their cards retain value which was the intent of the reserve list policy.
I'm not a huge fan of speculators and hoarders but that's the reality of an unregulated market (let's talk insider trading)... I haven't completed my collection nearly to where I wish it could be, but I did manage to see this price spike coming as a result of policy changes and have the majority of what I want to play. If I'm at a position to get more in another 2 years after the hype dies down and cycle resets or see an opportunity, then fantastic. If not, then I'll advocate the above solutions.
But maybe I should just sell my collection because we should do away with the last 30 years of history and scarcity of a COLLECTIBLE card game: collections should never appreciate or remain stable over time, they should only depreciate and be reprinted, so why would you ever collect at today's price besides liking the pretty picture cardboard? Let's flip the entire business strategy that has built the game. Trust, stability, and confidence in a market are important but if you're cool with crashing the value of the entire secondary market then we have very different opinions on how that would impact the future of the game.
@@apocalex13 I bought a Damnation the week before its first reprint got announced.
I'm familiar with every card in Modern because I've been tracking spoiler seasons since Eighth Edition. This is not a matter of old player vs. new player. Some causes are worth supporting because they are right.
You're not the only person to get burned by a reprint. You're not the only player who's invested in the game. You're not the only player who should be allowed to be. Take the hit and get over it.
I can confirm I only started Modern because I can't afford duals.
That is exactly what wizards wants =)
wtf, i only recently had the spending cash for duals and ive been playing commander for years. you dumb boy?
And the problem with such that is what? Modern is great :)
The only reason I play Tron is because I cant afford fetches.
Oh, and because Tron.
I WANT DUAL LANDS FOR MY COMMANDERS DECKS, please 🥺
Why? (Serious question) I've been an on and off player and I always here this. Why do people want to play dual lands so bad, other than just to "play with dual lands"? There are better lands to use that have been printed in newer sets. They're just basic dual lands with no other effects. You can get dual lands from commander legends that do the same thing. Just curious, don't hate me for asking.
Because those are the best bi-color mana cards that exist. They can produce both types of mana without any drawback (they come untapped in the field without spécial condition) and they are treated as both basic lands (for example a volcanic island can trigger effects that require you to have an island and the ones that require you to have a mountain).
In a Commander deck the only card that is better to get mana is Commanding Tower but you can only have one in you deck so adding the dual lands adds some consistancy
MTG Finance is in a tizzy rn over this video lol
Meh. Rudy has spoken in favor of removing the reserve list multiple times. He'd just wait for a bit of a dip and buy all the Beta/Unlimited duals, lol.
Why would they bother to reprint reserved list cards when they can continue to sell VIP packs and five card sets direct to customers?
Um because you could offer reserved list cards, and charge more
@@ghoulhaven7765 Just because there haven't been lawsuits in the past doesn't mean there couldn't be. I'm sure their team of lawyers have explored the potential liability if they reprint reserved list cards. The risk vs reward is heavily weighted towards non reserve list cards. Why use very valuable reprint equity when they can continue to print the products they are and have them still sell well?
@@mikestyer3909 Exactly they have enough non reserve list cards they can whale hunt with as it is.
@@mikestyer3909 Hasbro isn't legally obligated to uphold agreements WotC made before they were bought.
They can sell these VIP packs at 1000 snackers instead. Honestly Wizards is leaving money on the table by not selling reserved list cards. How else do fake/proxy card market exists?
There's no reason 572 cards should hold back a game with over 20k different cards move on.
What an incredible point! Tell Wizards how you feel about the list by submitting feedback directly: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
@Dudebro who says the broken stuff needs to affect standard or modern? Master sets exist
@Dudebro Erm ... wouldn't format it's played in matter somewhat? Not to mention, what constitutes "A lot?"
Players didn't complain. Shop owners and Speculators complained.
Pls do a untitled podcast with Rudy talking about this
Bump
Rudy gets a bad rap because people just assume he's the "evil MTG finance guy" who supports the reserve list, but he's said multiple times on his channel that he's all for removing the reserve list - hell, he even said he'd move to buy up as many of the beta/unlimited cards as he could when the price initially dipped, because they'd obviously go up again.
I hope Prof sees this.
THAT would be something!
Pleeeeeeeeease do this!!!
Where did you get that suit jacket? 😮 that's sharp af.
Prof I feel if anyone on UA-cam you’d have the momentum to start a movement. Why not create a signup petition and share around community to show just how many people want this!
I love that idea! In the meantime you can do your part and submit feedback straight to Wizards: support.wizards.com/hc/en-us/requests/new - Let them know how you feel about the Reserved List!
@@olah420, I don't think that the feedback on their website would be useful, but I have an idea to team up with influent MTG personalities in order to start a more serious and coordinated movement to change the concept around the "spirit" of the Reserved List, that is what stops the printing of cards similar to RL cards (like Legendary Duals with ininfluent drawback in Legacy and so on). The total abolition is not possible as for now, but this is a point where we can start. How can I contact you?
Wizards is perfectly aware of how many people want this, this is just a "fight" between who they think they should "benefit" because they think they should stand by their original players that have been collecting over 20 years or if they should make this accessible to new players and risk getting backlash from those early players that stood by magic all these years.
they are perfectly aware of the amount of money they would win by reprinting duals in master sets aswell
I agree, if the uproar for reprinting is massive enough, I would think they would listen
Over 20 years ago I said that one day they will reprint reserve list cards. I stand by that and I think the decision will be out if their hands in the end. Hasbro will step in and force the issue. If you really want the reserve list canned, pester the owner of the leash: Hasbro. The reserve list is pathetic and has always held the game back.
I have to wonder how many people actually complained about the reprints back then. What % of the player base that was. and how that compares to player complaints now.
funny that complaints of such a small number of people from such a small original player base mean so much more than all the players now.
Yugioh is really good about reprinting cards, even the old stuff. If you want a reprinting, it's a few bucks. The old prints? Their prices have been maintained.
Yeah but they print famous cards like Blue Eyes White Dragon into oblivion. It is nothing special in any massive yugioh cards. Players open a pack and are happy about 2 $ worth of secret rare cards. :)
I back up the Prof on this message.
*Make.the.game.more.financially.accessible.*
Fuck off with your bullshit, not only does it being expensive make it valuable (DUUUHHH) there are dozens of levels you can play at in all of the different formats that would be considered cheap. You non magic playing bitches are annoying.
kalackninja bro. Standard and modern decks cost the same. Not everyone wants to play pauper fuck off u card hoarding pig lol
Laughs hard in Pokémon
We should start spamming that during WotC's streams.
@@kalackninja been playing since OG ravnica back in 2005 and i can wholeheartedly say your take is as wrong as your attitude about this. i and the majority of the playerbase old and new would love nothing more than to play with more and more new players but that will never happen. even edh is getting to the point where new people are excluded from most games even slightly above precon power level. magic is not an investment its a game meant to be played.
I've been dying on this hill at my LGS for a long time now, glad to see Prof is on my side
fuck you socialist
@@kalackninja you should probably look into rehab for your boot leather addition.
@@rhael42 hey man i just want a bunch of free shit and i want you to pay for it
This comment is so wrong. Eliminating the reserved list wouldn't damage values? Seriously? Cause WoTc wouldn't reprint these cards to oblivion, right?. How many tarmogoyf or Scalding Tarn versions are there? Now imagine if there was just one version, from a set long ago never having been reprinted. Would be worth a lot more right? Of course.
Wizards will never replace the reserved list because it's the shining jewel of MTG. Anyone looking from an outside perspective who's never played goes damn there's cards worth thousands. Now imagine no reserved list, from outside perspective looks like a stupid kids card game. Would lamborghini be as respectable if it was as cheap as toyota's? Stop complaining about exclusivity. You're a socialist, clearly.
Can't have everything in life but there are goals you can attain which feel so much more rewarding BECAUSE OF EXCLUSIVITY. Buying a Mox Ruby after saving up for months feels way better than having x4 of every mox cause it's in a standard set and you play draft every weekend. What fun is that? Stop bitching cause you can't have it all. I wish I had power 9, I enjoy having something to look forward to.
@@BetterYouNow Shivan Dragon from alpha costs 5000. If you want something to look forward to and brag about, buy an alpha mox instead of a newly reprinted one.
Magic 30th proves Prof to be incredibly correct