Time for a CHANGE // Are You Investigating the Paranormal For Entertainment Purposes or SCIENCE?
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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This isn't to slate any paranormal channels as i like them. But this was a thought process and question from a livestream i watched discussing fake channels and real channels. Hope you enjoy :)
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Fakers are absolutely ruining the paranormal. What happens is you going to somebody's home and they expect you to find demons and ghosts in their basement. And it ends up being nothing. And then they blame you like you didn't believe them in the first place or you just did a bad job investigating
Alabama Eric here well said 🤘🤘
It's all fake.
There are no such things as ghosts.
How dare they leave you out! You are the OG,THE Mr. Grey!
haha i was only joking about that.....mostly lol
some people actually think your annoyed at me lol.
My jokes are at times too subtle lol
It was a good panel with Beardo, it would have been epic if Mr Grey was on the panel.
I agree with Mr Grey for the most part.
So good MrGrey!! Before I found debunkers, I watched all the ghost channels,mostly... and was amazed and scared by some of their "findings"! But I mostly watched just for entertainment, and I am a horror, spooky, anything junkie,lol. I always thought some of the things they caught on the voice recorder were great evidence and even wanted one for Christmas to catch my own ghost voice. I received one and nothing, It now just sets on my shelf, or I take it to doc appts. To record what my doc says to keep it straight or record while Im in hospital.
I have had very strange paranormal experiences, but at that moment, my #1 thought was to pull out my phone and snap pics or record! I was too frightened and it happened so fast, there was no time.
I dont think "ghost" hang around just for the entertainment of fake ghost hunters and so they can profit off of their deaths or their tragic demises.
My thoughts are that as a believer in Christ is that the things experienced are replays of historical events imprinted on the land or area and residuals of tragic events and deaths. I also believe in demons and that they can imitate deceased beings to entrap you into the dark world. It's like we as humans all have a daily battle.
" There is a battle between two wolves within ourselves. One is darkness & and despair, and the other is light and hope, and the one that wins is the one we feed the most."
I have lost both parents, and they both suffered greatly at the end, and I do not believe they are hanging around here on earth just to haunt places or to entertain ghost hunters. I believe they are in Heaven, in a new whole body, happy and will welcome me one day when my time comes.
But I do believe in Paranormal activity and support true Paranormal Investigators to find out exactly what it may be. Maybe there are souls that refuse to transition over after death and reside here on earth in a spectral sense but I believe if that happens then over time they would become angry spirits because they are not truly amongst the living anymore or intereacting with the living in the way they could when alive. I also think that demonic activity can be invited and it is not to be messed with.
When I was 10, my Mom and I loved board games. One day, she bought an Ouija board. We opened it and read instructions and started to play. Nothing happened after 30 minutes, and we just asked funny questions,not trying to interact with any deceased loved ones per say. So we got up from the table to get a snack and probably just box the game up. But as we got up and were fixing our snacks, nowhere near the table or board, the planchet went flying across the table and the room. I screamed, and we both were freaked out. My Mom took the board straight to the fire pit and burned it. Nothing happened after, so was it a breeze,an uneven table, I dont know, but I would not mess with them again.
I think most true "ghost experiences" are going to be uncaptured. Because "ghosts" aren't performing monkeys. But maybe one day with technological advances, they will be proven real, with true real factual captured evidence. Until then, the search still continues.
Love your thoughts and videos always! You are wonderful gent and always bring joy to my heart.
Blessings from South Carolina USA ❤❤🙋♀️🫂🕊
The problem with the fake stuff is that it's just lazy film making. If people made really good short paranormal videos that were clearly for entertainment people would watch them, just as people watch horror shorts and movies knowing full well they are fake. However if you pretend it's real you can make low effort stuff and dupe people into thinking it's real which is then doing all the heavy lifting.
It's a bit like the comparison to horror entertainment creators that put a lot of effort into stories, building tension and making creepy atmospheres and those that just rely on cheap jump scares.
I've never understood why investigations are always in the dark, I've had loads of 'spooky' things happen in my house, but it's always been in the day time or when the lights are on 🤷♀️🤔
Indeed. My most acute experiences happened in the daylight. Trying to set a spooky ambience is sure sign they're BSing. And that's fine, just don't expect me to take it seriously.
Yep totally true and also visual encounters are the least reported but everyone tries for them
Me too!
The spirits are said to be made up of energy. The energy signature do not showed up in daylight. This woman was on a panel and the host shared her CCTV in her kitchen during night. No lights were on. We saw an orb, and kinda like a flash. Later as she went through her CCTV footage and the replay of the livestream? She clipped that part and slow the clip down. The orb that came from the kitchen table went to the other side of the room off the camera to our left, and then sound like an energy buzzing as a full figure woman in bright energy color walked across the room and vanished into the wall on the right of the camera. Everybody in the house was on panel, so it was not somebody pulling something. Not edited it, It is on that live still from 2022. It is one of the reasons you do investigations in the dark. Can't see those things when lights are on.
Yeah. I lost my keys on multiple occasions, during the day, too.
On a personal basis, being of the age where I am the last remaining member of all my siblings and also my parents I would love to believe that something of our consciousness survives and continues after death. I consider myself to be pretty open-minded but I have never witnessed anything that convinced me of the existence of, for a better word, ghosts or spirits, or even more the existence of malignant entities. My mother was very religious and was aware that her illness was terminal, and just before she passed away she told the family if it was possible that she would come back to visit us one day, needless to say, no such visitation has occurred.
There are I am sure sincere people who are genuine paranormal investigators, while I also believe there are just as many fakers and con artists who produce these videos for more mercenary reasons than a search for knowledge, while others do it simply for entertainment. A far more unscrupulous and distasteful sector of the paranormal community are those who profess to communicate with the dead and make money from people's grief when they are most vulnerable.
I use almost no tech on my investigations, apart from decent camera and audio gear. The only concession I have is I have an EMF meter (grudgingly), but it's a proper one that actually gives useful information about the cause. I only use it to debunk claims of EMF spikes being caused by ghosts. EMF is part of the lore now, I feel like it's gotten to a point we're stuck with it.
You're 100% correct! The EMF was never intended to be used as a way to detect ghosts, it was used to detect high EMF levels which can cause symptoms that one could mistake as being paranormal in nature. Sadly, that somehow got lost over time.
@@MtnManJack yeah, although the evidence for that is dubious in itself at best. The science doesn't really support the idea that EMF spikes (at least at the levels and exposure we're talking about) can produce the symptoms that are usually spoken about in paranormal field.
It's a red herring on both sides IMHO, and when I see debunkers like Beardo quoting this as fact I feel like there's a danger they're just swapping one flavour of BS for another. If we're serious about debunking we have to be careful not to fall into these traps.
In my experience on investigations, there doesn't seem to be a link between EMF and supposed paranormal activity, "real" or imagined. We can point to reports and say these people sensed a presence and there was high EMF, so one must have caused the other, but that's the correlation/causation confusion. For every report that shows high EMF alongside a paranormal claim, there will be 10 - 20 that have nothing unusual to speak of.
I guess the problem is when people have only seen the Dude! Bro! stuff and think it’s the norm with flashing lights and voices from the spirit boxes. Real investigations tend not to have all that. I know some who don’t use equipment and maybe that seems dull in comparison, I don’t know. I think one of the differences is that real investigators tend to question noises they hear, ie debunk as they go along, rather than assume it must be paranormal. But yes, you’re right, fake and real can appear to be the same but the fake stuff isn’t questioned by the team whereas the real investigators question everything. Thank you Dan… and I’m glad you’re over the man flu and not suffering with the dreaded lurgy ❤
Yeah, the dude-bros are so obnoxious. I don’t know how they have viewers but then, I’m an old fart so it just doesn’t appeal to me. 👵🏼☺️
I don’t see why investigators don’t put up both their raw footage and edited highlights, maybe with a link to the raw footage on a private channel.
But real investigators need to stop using the same equipment and cliches that fake channels use, to show a distinct difference. That means no spirit boxes or apps, no rempods or emf readers, no estes method but also no calling out and all this “use my energy” shite.
I would happily watch videos about haunted locations, showing you around, talking about anecdotal evidence and stories, without any investigations.
Blasphemy! The audacity of Beardo not inviting the legend that is Mr. Grey. I say we protest! 😆 J/K.
That was a great stream!
I had a ghost standing one foot in front of me and I pulled out meters that I use as professor of engineering and those devices showed nothing.
Instead of looking at emf we need to study density of air since if a spirit has mass, then as it moves you should find charges in the air properties.
100% true. I've been on investigations and nothing as ever happened but I loved it. Turning the lights off hightens your other senses and put you on alert, it's Human self preservation kicking in and every knock, tap, creek and groan is potential threat.
Fairgrounds, when I was a kid, used this on the 'Ghost train' ride.. now 40yrs later we have UA-cam lol.
You’re right. Although there are channels like Ryan and Shane’s channel that are successful because of their personalities and humor more so than anything. As a skeptic I never expect results. However I Will watch funny people getting creeped out looking for ghosts. Tyler’s group has some charisma and chemistry. They keep it light and funny. I see potential there.
Beardos let all the money from Big Desk go to his head lol
He made a video going after Dr Disrespect...still waiting on the video going after Mr Beast..chasing clicks
If it makes you feel better, you were my first and only debunker for about 2 years ❤
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Me too. He's my favorite and I do love Beardo and Parrple but he was the first and only debunker I watched for a few years. You never forget your first. Lol 💚
Me too
For me it was The Shape. I was a subscriber of all of the fakers. With Jasko being my favorite, of all people 🤦🏼 So the debunking bothered me at first and i paid no attention. When i actually atarted to watch all of Shape's videos that's when it all came together and i knew for certain everyone was b.s. Now i never miss a Shape, Beardo, SEG or Mr. Gray video. I love them all.
Dandalf de Niro😂😂
I totally agree with your 1st question. I never knew debunkers existed, and watched 2 channels on youtube and a couple of tv shows, thinking it was real. When one day, popped up in my stream was Shape debunking one of them. Next was Mythos, then Mr Grey, and the rest of our debunkers. And boy was I disgusted with myself for being fooled. So yes, i was an outsider, and it all looked the same to me, because i was uneducated on the subject. The equipment for the most part, have all been debunked. In that regard, i really liked where trigger objects are used - like the reception bell that Joe Vitale and Dawn uses.
Great video Mr Grey❤
I don't think that 'ghosts' will come out and show themselves on demand. I do believe. But I think it's a case of if you see something or hear something it's when you're off guard, not because you've called for it 🤷♀️
Could not agree more with you!
The most annoying gadget for me are the apps, total bollocks in my opinion.
The only reason channels keep uploading videos is to please the yt algorithm, so the channel doesn't vanish into oblivion. Nothing wrong with that, that's just how yt works. Even if nothing happens during an investigation, many times the location, team's humor, charisma, and the history is interesting enough to watch.
You are absolutely right. Also, I wouldn't worry about not getting the invite to the live chat. You're one of the originals and the 1st debunker i found online. I love your videos, how you debunk and how you stay out of drama. Easy and enjoyable to watch.
Ps. This comment better not get ignored 😅😂
Now that Joe V has blocled me from commenting on his nonsensical videos, beardo and SEG also siding with Jason who is bullying TCH owner using her as a scapegoat, covering up for cody and satori lies and cheating; scammers like fantastique publishing doing AI art and music within the 'paranormal community 🙄
Content creaters are entertaining up until a point 👉 and that point is that the drama around all the BS of lying to cover up lies, faking the paranormal, has just become so boring 👻
I agree 100% with you. ❤
I'll believe it when I see it with my own two eyes
Well said we on the other hand use night vision for other reasons 1 is because we do alot of outdoor locations and the white light illuminators dont have the same reach as night vision IR lighting and 2 it's definitely an advantage to have minimal visible lighting when investigating locations due to unwanted visitors that might not be so friendly, and your speech I've been saying the same thing with my Dad that we need to change it up, great work love you're content keep it up, 👌👏💯💯
Great video, and I agree on the most part that people keep doing the same thing over and over and are expecting different results, is that not the definition of insanity? I have been thinking that maybe what Mark said could lead to some sort of understanding. If you can get an experience without equipment, but not with equipment, you would have to think that there is something to that. For all we know our equipment being used for investigation including cameras microphones and various other tech could actually be repelling the paranormal making any digital means of recording evidence impossible. But the way things are going now nothing after nothing after nothing kind of fuels that thought for me.❤❤❤
That's Bullshit how dare they not invite you, you was my first paranormal debunker and still my favorite. You should have way more subs then you have. We luv ya Mr Grey let's boycott his channel 😂
I think you raise some extremely interesting and valid points here Dan. My personal view is that because honest investigators don't run around screaming they should very much be afforded the liberty to use B-roll, background music etc to give their videos an entertaining edge - as long as it maintains the honesty and integrity of the investigation and doesn't present a false account of proceedings. Also, I personally don't have a problem with honest investigators continually posting videos where they find nothing. The paranormal isn't happening all the time and the chances of even the most persistent investigators finding something at even some of the most allegedly haunted locations is quite slim in reality. However, these honest investigations do provide an insight into different techniques used should anyone want to build on those ideas and take them forward. As I say, some great points in your video but for me honesty is key,👍👻
I saw you pop up in the Beardo live stream, lol! If I were to film an investigation, the entertainment would come from me hanging out with my friends. If you like weird inside jokes and esoteric humor, we'd be right up your alley. If something paranormal happens, all the better.
I’m glad you’re done dying from man flu! 😂
For me, there are many things I enjoy about real paranormal, and it’s inspired me to go out doing it and sharing as well. I love seeing places and learning history I would likely never know about otherwise. I love the community, and time spent together. I love seeing how people analyze and debunk, and I’m always SO excited for teams when anything happens that they can’t 100% debunk. It’s like tagging along for the ride with friends. 😊❤
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. This needs to be talked about more. All the time. I wanted to make such a video sometime, now I don’t have to.
Investigating is great, but when the methods have never yielded any tangible results then maybe it's time to try other things. I always wondered who created these rules as to what ghosts can and can't do and how did they figure that out? If a ghost can walk through a wall then why would it knock? If a ghost is invisible then why do they become visible? Are their clothes dead too? It's all over the place.
I didn’t get invited either……..
SOOO agree. And if (when 🙏) I can overcome my social anxieties and ironically, being alone) I have the (what I believe to be COMPLETELY original idea) my idea requires NO technology other than a video recorder. REALLY REALLY REALLY wish I had someone to just go with me.
Awwww, you are too good to have been invited! They knew you would steal the show, or the sunshine, or both! You’re such a mega-star, they’d all have been overshadowed! (Besides they all knew you were very sick 🤒).
Take heart 💙
Glad you’re feeling better!!💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙
PS: I’ve had outside the normal experiences, and I’m not goofy nor too far out of my mind 😊
I totally agree with must of what you have said. For a long time people have copied a fixed way of investigating. Many dont know fully what EMF is or try using basic science. How ever I do use night vision for a few reason. At night time there are less people around and night vision give good visuals at night especially in woods and forests. Normal light can attract attention when you dont want it. But I completely get your point as far as investigations go. Investigations takes alot more than a few hours on a saturday night. As far as equipment goes for example EMF, we need the answer to the question, is EMF got anything to do with paranormal events and if it does, why? And even if the answer can be found , some of us already know, there are other sources of EMF which adds to the problem.
The ones genuinely looking for signs if the afterlife, whether they find it or not should absolutely upload their videos… I enjoy the honest investigations regardless. If you are sincerely looking and a believer (even a skeptic) please keep on doing what you do because people such as myself appreciate you more than you know and I thank you .
Can't it be for both, finding proof, and showing what it's like with nothing. I guess if people didn't want to see it they wouldn't watch.
I can smell what you're stepping in and I'm definitely picking up what you're putting down.
In a way I'm like you, I ask questions and sometimes people can get annoyed but the question needs to be asked.
To date I've not been on an investigation, but since I've got some equipment I could if I want. But I've been asking questions on various channels and some of my thoughts have and are being looked into. The funny thing is the only channels that have discussed thing are real paranormal channels, no fake channel has ever responded or made a comment. Strange really.
What I don't understand is why UA-cam has stopped actively suggesting the Flat Earth but will carry on supporting the fake paranormal channels...
If I had children I'd make sure they know what is real and what's fake.
Rant over. I feel better. 😆
Night vision also hides a lot. It's hard for us to see in the shadows, because these aren't legit, well made or military grade night vision devices that actually light up everything, able to see clearly if there is a person peeking out from behind a tree for example. What we get with the night vision on the cameras is glowing green and black. It makes it a bit harder for us to see string or wire. They do use it for the creep factor too though. I can't stand it. They have lights on their cameras that would make it so much easier for us to see any "evidence", yet even in a location with house lights on they'll use night vision 🤦🏼
Hello MrGrey, It’s took till this video for me to work out what you say in your intro. I didn’t know whether it was Dandolf the Great or Dandolf the Grey 😂 (i got it now tho)
My thoughts as an open-minded skeptic:
There should be a clear distinction between fake and "real" investigators. An honest investigation would not involve gimmicks/gadgets/overacting and it'd be a lot of sitting around waiting for something to happen (because it likely won't). Nobody would want to watch it. I think anyone who considers themselves to an an honest paranormal investigator should consider what they're doing along these lines. We don't know that EMF and the like can detect ghosts so really the only "evidence" you'll likely find are going to be personal experiences.
How do you measure a ghost? If it can be measured scientifically and reliably would it be paranormal? How do we verify it was detected? What's the control? Do we kill someone so we can try to detect their ghost? If we do, how sure can we be there's no other paranormal nonsense like the afterlife tugging their ghost away elsewhere? It's just insane to think about. How can you really for sure say you detected a ghost and it wasn't just coincidences that felt real to you? The more you think about it honestly, the more you can come to realize the ghost hunting gear is ridiculous.
My opinion may be harsh but I think there are no real paranormal investigators. I think there are honest people who honestly believe in it and they try to tackle it in an honest way but they end up falling for the tricks of the fake ghost hunters and the bogus ghost hunting equipment and things that can be easily explained like a draft or a door opening. (Another way to say it is I think if there's no actual reliable way to detect ghosts then how can one ever be a legit ghost hunter? Can I start calling myself a Unicorn Hunter and go around with Unicorn Detection Equipment?) Do I think the fake ones are ruining it for these people? Probably. Sadly as you say it's UA-cam that'll promote those fuckers and there's not much we can do about it because people want the fake stuff because it's more entertaining.
I would love to have a conversation with you on these topics and more. If you're interested, let me know. I'm happy to adjust to your schedule.
Absolutely man, we'll sort a time out . I'll pick your brain on many things:)
Your 100% right yes and so so true word`s, GG ps/ Glad your better 👍
hmm..I understand your point but I dont understand why it should not be uploaded and shared. Not everyone will enjoy it but those interested would. No? Can be some great discussions around methods and locations that would not otherwise happen.
I agree that Investigators should always be looking for new ways to find the ghosties...if they in fact exist.
Absolutely!!! The same methods have been used for decades and they garner nothing that could be construed as evidence. Time to change things up 😛
Hi , love your more "serious" discussion vids and enjoyed that Live chat Beardo hosted. My one disappointment was the response (I beleieve it was Kev Kerr's) to the question of what would be deemed proof of the paranormal....he basically said there was no way to prove anything paranormal, as the list of requirements was beyond impossible AND they still wouldn't believe it. SO, what is the point of them (scientists/absolute sceptics) even having a conversation? Am I being too harsh? I've had my proof and don't feel that I need to prove anything to anyone else, but I find it offensive to be told "it's all in your mind" , just because they can't find a physical reason for something. I am fully aware that in times of stress our minds will "compensate" as a coping mechanism...doesn't make it true all the time XXX (BTW you were missed lol)
My analogy is that if you have two deep sea diving channels, one comes across sharks every time, the other channel only comes across sharks once, you'll watch the one that always gets sharks, just my opinion, (sorry if that's a bad comment but I know what I mean)
Thank you for always making me laugh 😊 ur a natural and a Beast and debunking!
i still do not have an blue ray tv.
It was shame you weren't on the panel as you always have a interesting point of view that gets you thinking of thinks in a new light. You are right before I join this community I couldn't tell you if a ghost investigate was fake or real you can't tell.also equipment is useless I don't think anythings work how can it when we don't know what a ghost is made up of. If they are real that another question.
I believe that any one who facts something, it does make people question every other person who does or says the same thing.
I suppose it is good if some investigations are uploaded just in case that... well, say, a viewer may catch something one has missed. Then there's to be argued if there's something like that found, did one do a good enough job on 'investigating' in the first place. What I'd instead say is drop the useless 'toys' that people prefer to use. They seem to be random background noise instead of anything substantial. I'm more curious of 'shadowy beings' and 'unexplainable phenomena' being documented than whatever jargon a sprit box is spouting or whatnot.
My two cents anyhow. Interesting video!
It's a vicious cycle - investigations needs money, YT can be a good source but a legit investigator may need to occasionally spice up their videos to generate views, ad revenue etc so they can keep investigating. A case of damn if you, damn if you don't? Btw, glad you survived the manbabyflu, Mr Grey 🙃
WEATHER ITS DAY OR NIGHT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL JUST MORE SPOOKY TO SOME VIEWERS
Love your point or view on this subject❤
I really enjoyed this! Thank you 🤘😁
Why in the world are videos always popping up in my notifications that are a week old?! Shouldn't i get notified as soon as a new video drops? Hey UA-cam, i have all my bells on! Stop sleeping on the job!
It seems a slippery slope for many creators. I watch some that don't go in for all the gadgets and just use their senses, but they are often not believed because an app didn't support the event.
Is there a device to detect paranormal activity or is it something so personal it cannot be be measured by equipment or technology?
YES!!!
I've been investigating for over 2 decades and I'm a skeptic as well. The only times (maybe 3 or 4) things have happened that I logically cannot explain, it was not in the dark and I had no "special" equipment. An old school camera that my dad used for professional photography in the 70s (with 12 million different lense attachments 😆) and a voice recorder. That's it.
Doesn't the fact that both use the same methods just prove that it's all some degree of fake? Why is a "legit" channel's supposed evidence real when they're using the same worthless gadgets that the fakers are using? What I love is when they start in with the mental gymnastics and excuses that they're using the equipment the correct way but the fakers aren't. I can't tell you how many times I've seen that garbage about those ridiculous phone apps.
It's definitely a case of someone says 'Jump' and we all ask 'How high' 🤣
I see you have new subscribers your to 21K, congrats Dan you deserve it!
The reason I investigate in the dark is science and biology when you investigate in the dark your senses become heightened because when we lived in caves thru evolution we automatically become more aware of our environment in the dark for safety when we lived in trees and caves.
Legitimate paranormal investigators?
Howls of derisive laughter ensued.
👏 ❤ Well said!!
I AGREE WITH YOU YOU... I WATCH FOR REAL EVIDENCE BUT DO NOT GET MUCH AND THE REMPODS... AND OTHER GADGETS MEANS NOTHING WHEN IT COMES TO REAL EVIDENCE BUT I SUPPOSE ITS ENTERTAINING LOL
my sugar was off last night . i only realised it today.type 2
Any investigation which does include debunking will not have been adequately performed. Science requires data to be stress-tested, and this is the reason why peer-review journals exist. Every claim is suspect, and every theory must survive intense scrutiny. So, by the very nature of the act, investigators must be debunkers, and they must be operating with the understanding that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.
Yay, I'm actually still subscribed. I'm being unsubscribed from channels left and right. I certainly can't subscribe to anything new.
Ya know im kind of you werent invited to be honest.. seriously. This community would not exist if it werent for you. I mean yes there may be older debunking channels on youtube but like so many hav already said, you sir are my OG.. I subbed years ago and youre the first membership i ever purchased.
I find it inconceivable that you were snubbed. Especially by beardo of all people. Maybe if you bought one of his desks? Lol!
Joking. I love beardo , so it puzzles me why i ddnt invite you.
You are by far ( other than maybe kenny biddle or the shape) the most skeptical skeptic that ever skepticed among these skeptics however and you truely remain nuetral and dont really endorse anyone as being legit. Which personally, being,and ill say it, a total and oomplete skeptic ( and id love,LOVE to be wrong . ) i devoted many of younger years as a full blown believer.
Thinking i had more than one experience when i was young. After tear of legit no toys ( equipment) investigaton i hadnt collected a shred of evidence i couldnt debunk. Zero...zilch...zed...nada.. no hollio....the big goose egg.
Then after seeing Ghist hunters, which i loved , ghost adventures which i loathed, abd most haunted which was interesting but damn those brits talk funny. And finally , sadly some youtube vids .sigh
I really started feeling like id done something wrong...if these cornheads were getting evidence then why couldnt i? I was an all in believer. It never had occured that they could or would fake anything...i mean ...why would they,?
But as i stood on the sidelines and watched the " industry" grow, it became obvious, money and fame had poked up its ugly head . .yeah i know it had always been there. But icwas researching the paranormal back when hans holzer was the only paranormal investigator out there, before the warrens even.
And like an obsessive idiot i went back to the books. Trying to figure out what i was doing wrong. Met a psychic, fell in love with her married her, ...and studied her asked her questions...for 11 wonderful years of marrage...sadly the marrage lasted 23 but thats another story .
She was not a scammer. She did not believe she was fake. I watched as as she went from doing readngs at parties and foe our d&d group to opening er own business complete with celebrity clients.... which she still does to this day...i never saw or felt any of it was anything more than being personable, having keen intuition and being very intune and observant with her surroundings and her clients. Mothing ever suggested any psychic gift of any kind, though i of course ould never tell her that. She helped people. Thts what she did. And she believed that with all her heart. So i smiled and supported my wife. Period..
One day watching a youtube vid...i faily famous one which wad being called proof of the paranormal, showing a ghost wondering around a car park...i was working in security and i knew instantly it was a piece of something..possibly a leaf caught in a spider web blowing in the windinches in front of the lense . Years later you watched that very video and i knew id found a newhome...a kindred spirit. And a new obsession if that as explianible and i there was money and fame in faking such vids...i wanted to expose it. I wanted to expose it all. I had wasted half my life trying to prove something id basicly been lied to about my entire life. And mow..5 years later amongst a debunking community fibally i feel i can feelat least a bit validated..
Everything in the universe dies. There are no exceptions. They have to . For new life to exist. Humans are no exception to universal laws.
Period mic drop full stop. Right?!....
...well, ... damn it im still inable to close that open door.
Quantim physics teaches is that niether matter no energy can truly be destroyed. Only transformed.
Once we exist, we exist forever.
But that also means weve existed since before...we existed???..ok i still have somuch to obsess over...and since these days i have far more existance behind me than ahead of me i tackle it even more ugently.
I can catagorize ghosthunting for what it is. A hobby , and entertainment.
Its not nor ever will it be legit science...
The paranormal is a much larger umbrella....( off topic , do you watch the unbrella academy? I really enjoyed it. They just finished there final season sadly. Ill miss it., but i digress)
We have to stay grounded. Its ok ro wantto entertain or to be enterained. But we can t ever drag entertainment into the science camp lest things get...muddy.
Ive even gone back and looked at my childhood experences .2 outof the 3 i can niw say wit heavy heart are debunked. One i can only explain by beig a very imaginitive child....so boom. Thats done. To everyone who think kids see ghosts. ...that their imaginary friends are are more than imaginary.. please.if you want to think that..great. but dont tell. Or encourage that in your children. It fucks with them their entire lives..
Its all fake dan.
...untill its not.
You da Best Grey! ❤
One test you can do with proving abnormal/paranormal things is to put a ball in a vacuumed transparent box, like a golf-ball that has small dents all around it so it requires a force to move it, but preferably a bigger ball like a dogs toy to make it harder for the ball to move on itself. You can then have a measuring device such as a Digital Anemometer that will measure the wind to make sure there is no heavy wind or draft around the box. Then you you conduct the test with all data available, the vacuum data and the Digital Anemometer data, and with various cameras and angles. What you do is that you go to various supposedly haunted places and talk to the ghosts to participate in the experiment and see if the ball will ever move on it's on. Ghosts are supposedly seeking attention to get a message across, so no excuses.
Perfect, well put 👍🏻👍🏻
Would you ever do a collaboration with Ghost Theroy or Amy's Crypt? Since you said your an skeptical about the paranormal?
totally agree with everything you said, i've been thinking the same thing for a while, try something different.
I totally agree with you re drama sells. iMO some honest paranormal investigators have another way to increase followers by having aggressive discussions complete with swear words and persoal atacks (drama) rather than constructive discussions like yours to build their followers. 😞 Just an observation. NOTE: I am an adult and make my own decision to watch or not to watch.
I don't know why I'm saying this again. But, Brian J Cano's show scared, managed to do both. With a mix of people that don't necessarily agree with each other. Most of the entertainment value was in that. Scientific methods, kind of, if there is such a thing. Lots of setting up. And usually 0 conclusive results, and it worked 😉🙂👍.
Yes, you are being PROFESSIONAL, like Kenny! Hahaha! Paranormal channels are ruining people's lives. They are out there making videos about people's lives or death's for content on UA-cam. Pretenders pretending to communicate, daddy supporting pretender, no one calling them out because CONTENT for UA-cam.
Have you thought of going down the UA-cam full time work. Not sure what’s involved, I don’t think I could think of enough content to keep myself bill paid etc.
I'm sure if you wanted to go on the live, you would have been more than welcome. (Hello You're Mr. Grey). I'm glad you're feeling better. As always you have great points.
From a 100% skeptic who doesnt believe in ghosts whatsiever (yet):
Amy is more real because she doesnt fake purposefully. Sure she def attributes normal stuff to spoopy ghosts but Im a beggar and so far shes the most realistic ive found with a high-feeling production value and not outright obvious fakery so I cant be much of a chooser yet. Are her apps real? No, most likely not. Does she sell it knowing that? No. I genuinely believe that *she* believes in her products which is good enough for me, even if im aware of how those apps work on the backend and its about as useful in contacting "spirits" as reading tea leaves. I think I enjoy her more than the other large paranormal channels is because she gives off really early original Ghost Hunter vibes. They dont find much, and most of it feels like watching people talk to walls, but theyre goofy and lighthearted and a lot of fun to pop onto the backround or sometimes activrly watch.
The twins and Sam/Colby/Paranormal Files, have been caught faking. They left in a hand tripping the REM POD like so blantantly. Not to mention theyre over the top similar to Ghost Adventures. They know theyre fake and still play it up for views.
I do wanna say tho, Paranormal Files I remember being a lot better in the beginning before he met the others. He was a lot more down to earth, calmer and only got hype when something genuinely strange happened. Watching him sell out and fall off so hard for success has sucked but at least hes a big name now I guess.
4 minutes in and I agree 💯
I like the posters. Awesome
sometimes they use night vision so not to be seen in places where they are not supposed to be. abandoned hospitals care homes churches wherever. but yeah paranormal doesn't just happen at night i would like to see more investigating during the day
The only ones I watch are the ones where nothing happens!! Or something does happen and they make an effort to find the natural cause of that event.
The constant squealing and shouting of the Dude/Bro types does my head in.
I’m glad they upload, or I’d have nothing to watch 😁
But yeah, it’s about time they (not necessarily “them” personally, more the real paranormal community as a whole) thought of a new, different approach to investigating. It is quite formulaic, and they all follow it, whether fake or genuine.
What, first you were not invited, and them your comments were ignored? You should make a big complaining video about it and start some drama. 😉😁 Glad to you back back in good health, Dan, the community needs you! You got some excellent points here.... for the outside viewer, the fake videos are the same as the real ones, all use the same tools and do the same things. It's a definition of madness doing the same stuff over and over again and expect a different outcome. Dead Cold Paranormal got it right in this comment.
The biggest problem I have with all of these tools is that they are not scientific. If I use a thermometer, I know for a fact that I can measure temperature with it. It's scientifically proven, and the thermometer is specificially created created for this use. If I use a EMF scanner to detect ghosts, I am NOT doing scientific work because it has never been proven if ghosts exist at all and if they do if they influence EMF at all. So the moment I use these tools and get a reading, I got a reading, nothing more, and I can never say I caught a ghost and stay on a scientific basis. This might sound harsh, but it is what it is.
I have nothing to add. Good show.
For someone who has a lot to say, you actually provide very little of it in this video.
Thanks dan
you were not invited only because you were sick... :( Honestly, your presence in that live stream was missed. Truth be told, we are very similar in what we think in the matter of the paranormal Beside I want to raise a good point: we don't know IF ghosts are real or not, so how can we determine what method or intruments works in this case? We have never obsserved ghosts... all we know about those instruments are speculation and ideas derived from: superstitions, TV shows, Urban legends. We know that most of those stuff are useless: EVP recorders, rods, Ouijas but it seem that people still believe that those things might work -.-
I was just watching a young man reacting to asian filters gone wrong. You truly can't trust your eyes or ears on UA-cam. That's why i always say, i subscribe to people i like. It might not sound nice saying it's not the content, because everyone works hard on content. Well, i wouldn't come across someone doing videos i have 0 interest in. But i look for real people. So i subscribe to the actual person then, go with the flow on the content. 100% though, real or fake i do assume all paranormal content is fake. I always have. Despite having my own 30 second apparition appear in the middle of the day. I didn't believe that was a child. Or anything i wanted to get involved with. And it was that random and fast. I don't like it. I do however like people that do. But only reactions like caspersight. And you guys. I really don't like it ❤❤❤.
3:08 - 5:57 So... because some investigators exaggerate their reactions and sensationalize their videos, that automatically makes them fake? And knowing how the algorithm works makes them all fakers?
Nope, never said if they know the algorithm or exaggeration they are fake lol. Only the ACTUAL fake channels
@@WorldofMrGrey You said that channels with screaming, shouting, and dramatic reactions are the ones with more views, subs, etc. You implied that smaller channels are small bc they don't do this, making them more likely to be legit...
To me it just seems that any and every channel debunkers call out as fakers are the large channels with big reactions (aka, ones that know how the algorithm works).
There can be legit investigators who care about statistics and the algorithm. That doesn't always mean they're faking... BUT it certainly opens a door to the possibility.
There are large channels out there that I feel without a doubt are fakers... But there are a select few (which have been called out by debunkers) that I personally feel are legit... But just because I believe they're real doesn't mean they are and I'm open to understanding that. I simply haven't seen enough 'incriminating' evidence...
I can't really speak for any smaller channels because I've not heard of them yet.
(At this point I feel like I'm rambling and not making sense, so my apologies if this is the case. I hope this was a intellectual and reasonable discussion tho 😅😅)
They're all fake on youtube. Outrage and clickbait. That's all it is.
There's "real" paranormal investigations on UA-cam.
My view of filming paranormal investigations hasn't changed in twenty odd years Dan; footage and photos etc. will never be "evidence" because these things can easily be faked. All you can have are your own personal experiences, if you're lucky. Having said that, I love watching some paranormal content, not the blatantly fake stuff, but the subject has always fascinated me and probably always will. 👻
You do know there weren’t formal invitations but he put out there what he wanted to discuss and channels volunteered to talk. Glad you’re better, Dandolf.
i was joking about the invite lol
do i need a guide
i wish , i had gone to your site first. i followed what came to me as recommended. sites first. i never had been online before. i somehow became a top commentator. at a politcal site. it was about xena and hercules. it was about the actors said. i could not verify it . but on my first night on commenting i somehow became a top commentor i was just looking for you or mr h and friends
it is not actually appearing the way , i typed.i am horrible with grammar.
If it’s entertainment, then say so in the disclaimer. If you lead people to believe it’s real when it’s not then you’re a liar.
WELL SAID. I tried to give Amy some thoughtful advice on her app and what could make it more accessible for people who can't pay every month for only 500 words. 500 words. But she spatted back being very defensive that they have to pay for investigations location fees gas food etc I didn't like the response. She didn't even seem nice about it so honestly I am not a fan of Amy. No longer will I watch a video of hers.