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I will say I like quality and capability of my Toyota Sequoia with the 5.7 and 4x4 and the Land Cruiser looks cool too when compared to other available offerings in the US but it's nothing compared to the Land Cruiser 70 series overseas with the 4.5 v8 turbo diesel, solid front and rear axles, and snorkel. Bring that to America and compare it to anything else you can get in this country. I'd buy one.
lets be clear in the difference between "off roader" and "overlander" because in the US they are often used interchangeably but they really shouldn't be. Overlanding is vehicle based adventure travel, that means sometimes going on rough trails and needing capability but more importantly its about durability, reliability and the ability to carry a load safely. Its not a matter of just being able to go off road with a cargo box on the roof. Any 4x4 can be made to go off road, but a good overlander is so much more.
@@retrokingranch I'm assuming you're an H2 owner or someone who wishes they had one? There's a reason why you don't see H2s as a common overlanding vehicle: they are too big for the tighter trails, reliability isn't their strong suit, and their MPG is horrible. When you're traveling great distances, "adventure travel", MPG kind of matters because you don't want to be stranded in the middle of nowhere. You'd need to carry a 55gal oil drum to be confident taking off into the backwoods with an H2. This is why more midsize trucks and SUVs are common overlanders - they are more nimble on the trails due to lighter weight, can travel greater distances because of greater MPG, and there's way more third party accessories in those segments.
@@mikec3454 I'm an H2 owner and use it as an overlanding vehicle. I also use a 2006 Tundra as an overlanding platform. The Tundra is a great deal smaller and gets moderately better gas mileage. It can't carry as much as my H2, isn't better off road by any stretch of imagination, isn't *more* reliable - though my Tundra is solid, and generally isn't my choice to go take a trip in. The H2 get's the nod for long trips mainly because it has capacity and it's proven to be durable/reliable. I have done the same basic mods that TFL did to their H2, with the addition of leveling, different UCP and 37" KM3's. I think the main reason you don't see Hummers often is simply because there are far fewer of them than other makes. I've owned a first gen Trooper (miss that thing), a pair of Land Rovers , and a Jeep. The Trooper was awesome, the Rovers were great when they ran (which seemed to be not often) and the Jeep was great off road but horrible on road. The Tundra and the Hummer are both better overall. FWIW I love the Land Cruiser, it's just not in my price 'reality'. There is absolutely better vehicles than the Hummer - it's older tech (mine is like 120 in dog years), it's heavy, wide, not a diesel....er I mean get's poor mileage, etc. But it certainly is capable.
I used to go mudding when I was just outta high school and there were these huge mud rigs built that would get stuck and then your see these lifted little Suzuki Samurai come up and just plow through the mud holes the big trucks all got stuck in. Loved Samurais.
It's not nice to lie to yourself, only offroading your Suzuki saw was when you couldn't park it and the front tire touch the grass in a mall parking lot.
Anyone who considers the suzuki samurai/ sierra/ Jimmy weak because they're small has never been in one off roading. They are nice and light, have great approach angles, and have very good ground clearance to relative size.
I have own an h2 hummer for 7 plus years in and African country where gas is expensive but to be honest with you guys, h2 hummer is a great truck. It was reliable, good off-road car and most of all very imposing. On the down side was the visibility issues which after many years of ownership I was already used to and the gas. But overall for me 7 years with this truck, I can firmly say that this truck is underrated.
I was a product specialist for Hummer for years. We had a 14 acre off road facility we tested them at in Indiana. All of us were amazed at what the H2 could handle even more so the h3. Most of us were Jeep and Toyota owners until we drove 'em. In 2003 a base h2 went for roughly $53,000 if I remember correctly. Let's not forget all the Baja's it won either. Ir was the real deal and didn't deserve the raw deal it got from everybody. My only beef was if did have weak factory tie rods for a vehicle of 8,600 lb's. That said, the only tie rod I ever bused was in moab doing some pretty crazy stuff I don't think any other stock vehicle could do otherwise.
The first thing I changed on my 2003 was the tie rods. The window sticker on mine was $55k - I'm the second owner, bought it in late 2014 @ 18K miles. It's been fantastic. You guys built a great rig.
@Maty you are the man, brother. The H3 Alpha Offroad package features a 50.3:1 crawl ratio and that sweet LH8 under the hood. In stock form it is an absolute goat on the trails. Best decision of my life. Looking forward to babying a 2nd generation H2. Forget a delicate Land Cruiser. Forget an overhyped Bronco. Hummer. Like nothing else. Truly.
Gotta love how Andre and Nathan just rib each other xD Good show as always! We want MOAR >:O (and I am a patreon supporter btw trying to HELP you guys get more out)!
Entertaining but flawed review compare a similarly built 200 vs that built H2 its no comparison. Even said that factory Land Cruiser behind the wheel of an owner familiar with the LC would still run circles around the H2. The LC is better in ALL categories also it holds its value and will be on the road decades later when the H2's are all in junkyards. A Land Cruiser any series model you pick has a reliable lifespan of 25/30 years. ua-cam.com/video/IXNDx_XgoKg/v-deo.html
So tie rods equal built H2 ???? LMAO !!! The departure angle is not as good as the hummer. That LC would be ripping off bumpers. Just the fact that Toyota does not even put decent offroading tires on it should tell you they don't not intend it for hard offroading without going aftermarket.
@@retrokingranch Why is he delusional? Landcruisers have a proven track record. An H2 might do ok head to head with the soccer mom 200 series LC in this video. An H2 would get buried by 70, 60, and 40 series LCs. H2s are not for serious off roading.
@@retrokingranch Well in displacement the H2's engine is bigger, but in the physical size of the engine, the 6.2L V8 is much much smaller than the 5.7L 3UR-FE.
I love you guys, and I watch your episodes daily, but I have to laugh a wee bit here. You claim the Hummer was more capable than the LC, yet the LC went everywhere the Hummer went - with ZERO modifications and street tires! I mean, it has the worst tires on earth - Dunlop’s, and it went everywhere the hummer did (with 35” BFG KM2’s!). Yeesh. I’ll take the LC any day of the week.
@@samuellloyd6582 I guess you haven't traveled much. The only thing I see are hiluxs and land cruiser. Go to any Safari in Africa. 90% of the cars are going to be land cruiser.
Thats the problem with Land Cruisers. They are so capable offroad, but they cost damn near 100k and nobody that buys one really wants to drive them offroad. They put the best technology in that SUV, and then didnt give it any ground clearance. Kind of tragic.
Will Thornton Check out the 70 series they sell in Australia. Land cruisers are the defacto off-road beasts everywhere in the world except ‘Murica. Even the rich Arabs trust them to the deserts.
This is the first US-based duo in a show about cars I've seen that even comes close to that global Juggernaut trio. Have your producers even noticed? That is all
I live in Thornton, today I saw what looked like Andre in the hummer near 136th ave and Colorado Blvd! First time seeing any of the TFL gang around in Colorado. Denver native and I'm a fan man! Keep up the great videos! 🤘🏻😎
"world's most hated truck" ? I wouldn't agree. If it's because of mpg than ford excursion would be included as well. Personally I like the Hummer. Reminds me of Tonka toy truck.
my 80 series gets 26mpg in hard going and 29mpg on the highway. Naturally aspirated diesel. Solid as a rock, no modern 4WD can compare. Wanna try? I live in The Coorong National Park so come on all takers
oops yep. More power more fuel. But source the 4.2 litre 6 cylinder naturally aspirated diesel from the Toyota bus for this vehicle. 24 valve turbo if you want the extra maintenance. Personally I find a mountain to be a mountain and I can get over all. Each to their own
the 70 series 6 cylinder diesel tray top is considered as the ultimate boundary riders vehicle in Australia for Roo, Dingo and Fox Shooters. I ain't shitting you for I've done it. Slower than the petrol until you get to rough terrain, the diesel in any variant is unstoppable. Also half the fuel. Personally I'd opt for the naturally aspirated (since I have one in my Landcruiser) because at 130hp this works out perfectly on sand. Always seek a vehicle with the front diff locker but if a competent offroad driver the standard rear wheel LSD is awesome enough. But yeh rear LSD + front locked diff is amazing.. Get an AWB locker on the front if you don't have the Toyota unit. Then you will be unstoppable. The "Dog Fence" runs from Ceduna to the SA border and a 70 series tray top is considered the ultimate rig - you can make good money shooting roos and foxes with one of these. But only one of these Toyotas ( or maybe a very good Nissan GQ diesel ) for anything else breaks. That is the strength of 60, 70 and 80's series Landcruisers - they never break. If fitting big tyres for some obscure reason up grade the front Burfield joints and axles.. but why you'd want that useless extra expense is beyond my reason. But hey I simply live and work in Central Australia so who gives a damn eh
Edwin Henry Blachford I live in Colorado, USA right now. I've got a Petrol FJ Cruiser. Pretty much stock but a rear locker. I work on access roads and right of ways in the oil field. So mud and sand is where I drive for work and I play on the rocks in the mountains. I want to go on vacation out in Australia for a few months and get a Land cruiser to hit a few nice tracks up.
There will always be comments like "my civic can do those trails"...Maybe, but it's awesome that you guys actually test trucks off road, while other channels just talk about it.
Define rock crawler- Tommy's Jeep was crawling over those rocks just fine. The LC and Hummer are definitely not rock crawlers. The H2 can only be described as a rock crusher, and the LC, well my missus owns one, and I'm afraid to say and its a mall crawler.
My Dad bought one of the first H2’s (#5-10) in Canada back in 2003 and still has it to this day. Definetely one of the best cars I’ve been in. Cant say I’ve driven it because my dad treats that thing like the Ferrari from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.
I think the hummer is just misunderstood. When it came out, gas was cheap and the vehicle could outperform just about anything off road with its factory lockers and ground clearance. For the Toyota being close to 15 years newer, I don't think the hummer did too bad.
Its almost always been 2nd/3rd owners for these and other high end touring wagons since the early 90's. No shock there. I mean even the ubiquitous 80 series Land Cruiser was bought by some dentist new before people like me got a hold of it.
I personally love that these live easy, sheltered first lives. Im happy letting them pay the depreciation curve...its not going to matter how many easy miles are on these by the time people who intent to tour with them get their hands on them.
The only catch here is that the Land Cruiser actually made it there and back reliably STOCK, irregardless of the price, it's a vehicle that will last for decades stock. The jeep with all the work and addon parts ran well over 50% the cost of the Toyota Landcruiser, without needing any modification, aftermarket parts, adjustments or enhancement, which the Jeep had ALL of, and the Hummer had Half of. If you're going to buy a Jeep wrangler new, and modify it, buy a Landcruiser used and the same. You'll get better longevity and reliability. I Can justify the Hummer if it was gotten for a cheap price and you added in the work. But they're not making it anymore
News that matter The Hummer had absolutey no modifications at all. The 35" tires the H2 had are from factory. The only thing that was changed was the tire tie rods, which then isn't even a mod, it's more of a necessity than a mod. The H2 also isn't lifted.
For trails like this all that matters is approach, departure, and clearance. Breakover isn't really a factor. That's the difference between rock crawling and rock hopping. Furthermore, rock crawling doesn't mind solid axles, while rock hopping will have problems with a solid axle and diff getting stuck on jagged rocks and such. Likewise, thats the primary difference between weekend rock crawler vehicles and overland vehicles.
It had the pathetic I5 engine though, and was just a rebodied chevy Colorado. One of the owners of a bike shop I worked for had one, it could barely tow a bike trailer on the freeway as it was. Nothing awesome about it at all. Now if it had the I6 other models based on the same chassis had it would have been nicer.
I think you guys did yourselves a favor when you picked up Andre as part of your crew. I love it when you guys crack jokes in Russian. It's like suttle comedy. Thanks for putting this up. Vote for Andre!
Although a fun video to watch, I see the concept of overlanding being misused.. rock crawling and overlanding are 2 very different things. The land cruiser is an awesome platform for an overland build, but the H2 (and this is a very personal opinion) is not a good vehicle at all: it huge, too long of a wheelbase, NOT reliable, requires lots of upgrades.. I suggest making a comparison video between a land cruiser and a Nissan Patrol - vehicles designed with similar features. Cheers!
sorry for your prejudice of the Hummer. Just a little education about this vehicle. The reason so many people liked the Hummer was it didn't need any upgrades. Except for the Tie Rods, I will agree with that... what was the reason behind that I will never know. The Hummer was ready for off road right from the show room. The front end was built like a chevy 2500 for the weight of the motor and the rear end 1500 for towing. It comes with 33's, and you can put 35's or 37's without upgrading anything. the only thing besides the tie rods I have upgraded was the exhaust system. I installed 4 inch pipes with a Evenflo muffler, and a better air filter. it puts me up to 362 HP, I can do a little more to get to 400 but then it will start messing with my gas mileage. Right now I get 12 to 13 in town and 19 highway, maintaining the speed at 1500 RPMs I'm at 22 to 23. That's no BS, give me your email and I'll send you a picture to prove it. The reason why I get this type of mileage is because I don't drive it like I stole it. I have owned this one for the past 5 years and has been a solid vehicle. All I have done to it was normal oil changes and schedule maintenance, plugs and cables, air filter, belts, trans and radiator flush.
@eric Parks - Don't you have that backwards? I think the rear was the 14 bolt corporate axle (from the 3/4 ton) and the front was the half ton axle. As an aside I think the H2 could have really been something special had it been allowed to survive past rubbish GM and their dark 2000's. the mechanical engineering was quiet good and some legit effort went into making it capable. I even wrote a thing about it years ago. oppositelock.kinja.com/why-the-h2-should-have-been-a-classic-1447347444
Hello Eric, First of all I want to thank you for the enlightment in the H2. Now, as I wrote in the comment above, this is a personal opinion and I don't mean to offend anyone. I work in the auto industry and have been around cars for over 30 years. My experience with H2s have been very bad and this is my grounds to make such statement - reliability. To my knowledge - and I might be wrong - is that the H2 is a GMC Denali with a different shell and bigger tires, again I might be wrong. I wanted to express my surprise when i see "Experts" using terminology that they don't have clear. Overlanding and rock crawling are very different activities and the vehicles are designed with that in mind. Size, weight and shape and factors that are taken in consideration when designing a vehicle for a purpose and if we're talk about overlanding there are other options that might be more suitable. Like i stated before, overlanding and rock crawling or even back-road offroading, are not the same thing. Cheers!
LandCruisers have become a luxury career than off-road vehicle. For that purpose, from Toyota, get something else like Tacoma or 4 Runner ( and Landcruiser 70's series ).
I've gone on Jeep Jamborees in my Grand Cherokee WJ Overland. The guys in the Wranglers just didn't like it. Too comfy. They liked to be jostled around on a firm suspension & solid frame. It didn't help them tackle the trail any. I (on worn all-season tires with no lift) did better than most of them, yet I had a nice ride in plush leather seats, A/C blowing, and good music playing.
Awesome! More russian Andre! I think land cruisers engeneer forgot what that name mean... these side steps are ridiculous and have no place on a land cruiser!
I would actually keep the running boards on because it doesn’t come with factory sliders would protect the vehicle. Additionally, replacing runners would be cheaper than replacing door panels, the entire door, rocker panel, etc. if it got smashed on the trail.
I would choose the Hummer, I don't care if I damage it because it's rough, it's higher, probably could go a lots faster than the Toyota in offroad, but he didn't dare.
Best Toyota 4x4 is 70 Series. Efficiency, capability, durability and simple electronic for easy fixing. New 2019 Land Cruiser for suburban off-road. I experienced myself this summer.
the old early 80s model F350's is excellent off road with a good set of 33's i have yet to get stuck on something i could not rock out of but i did swop for a thicker skid plate for my rear 38 gallon reserve tank as it will make rocks sometimes when recording from a drop off
I agree. Comparing a modified to a stock vehicle yields what conclusion?? Anyone who wants to use a Hummer as a daily driver I wish them luck. They aren't reliable and you pretty much can't see a thing out of their windows.
What channel are you using on them Beofengs? They technically can not legally be used without a HAM radio license, although low power mode on MURS channels meets output specs to use under MURS rules.
Love how they (russian🇷🇺 and American🇺🇸) are good friends.... especially how that American man tried fake russian funny.......lol 😂😂😂 love from india🇮🇳...
agree. LC is a mall crawler. if you hate hummer, dont buy it. i dont like low rider civics, or lifted trucks with doughnut tires, thats why i dont buy them. respect everyone's choice, or accept the criticism for your choices as well
Leave it up to the Jeep to be the go to vehicle for scouting and recovery. Great video guys. How cool it would be for you guys to get your hands on a Mahindra Jeep. Maybe even make it street legal.
The land cruise used to be a solid, capable machine. Now it’s an expensive soccer mom vehicle. What we want here in the states is the FJ70. If they weren’t impossible to find, i would buy a FJ 40 to build. The FJ80 was the last real Land Cruiser sold here in the US.
Comparing Toyota to crap. Wow you guys at tfl need a break. The landcruiser is a UN vehicle. And is extremely reliable that's why. A landcruiser will always get you home no matter what. And it will run for generations. I had a landcruiser with 300 ks and trust me never saw a check light just regular maintaince it never broke.
Like the posts... But keep in mind the radios you are using are ham radios. FRS and MURS frequencies are non licensed, however each have their own power restrictions. GMRS frequecies require a license. Amateur Radio frequencies require a license and are NOT for business use. Any other frequency you just "punch in" could be a Government, Law Enforcement, Military, Commercial, Public Service, or any other agency frequency and is not only illegal to transmit on without a license, it could cause serious interference to licensed users. If your licensed my apologies, but often people buy these cheap radios thinking they can use them as walkie talkies.
Indeed, these BaoFeng's can be programmed to practically any VHF frequency, up to 8 watts. FCC is starting to take notice and is probably going to ban these. Same with the cheap, easily 11m convertible 10m radios.
Pretty impressive the old 6.0 vortec is getting 12.5 mpg hauling all that ass around vs the brand new land cruiser with Toyota's 5.7? Getting 11.5mpg... Not to shabby for an old gm
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I will say I like quality and capability of my Toyota Sequoia with the 5.7 and 4x4 and the Land Cruiser looks cool too when compared to other available offerings in the US but it's nothing compared to the Land Cruiser 70 series overseas with the 4.5 v8 turbo diesel, solid front and rear axles, and snorkel. Bring that to America and compare it to anything else you can get in this country. I'd buy one.
What kind of tie rod ends did you go with and steering components?
Cool
The Fast Lane Truck с чтением русского языка вышло круто 😂
Reading Russian was cool! great test: fun and very indicative
Mike Diaz
Hopefully they did it with stuff from D-max store
Anything from 2500 dmax is an upgrade
lets be clear in the difference between "off roader" and "overlander" because in the US they are often used interchangeably but they really shouldn't be. Overlanding is vehicle based adventure travel, that means sometimes going on rough trails and needing capability but more importantly its about durability, reliability and the ability to carry a load safely. Its not a matter of just being able to go off road with a cargo box on the roof. Any 4x4 can be made to go off road, but a good overlander is so much more.
Couldn't have said it better myself. ;)
Patrick Rich
Which is the exact definition of the H2.
@@retrokingranch I'm assuming you're an H2 owner or someone who wishes they had one? There's a reason why you don't see H2s as a common overlanding vehicle: they are too big for the tighter trails, reliability isn't their strong suit, and their MPG is horrible. When you're traveling great distances, "adventure travel", MPG kind of matters because you don't want to be stranded in the middle of nowhere. You'd need to carry a 55gal oil drum to be confident taking off into the backwoods with an H2.
This is why more midsize trucks and SUVs are common overlanders - they are more nimble on the trails due to lighter weight, can travel greater distances because of greater MPG, and there's way more third party accessories in those segments.
@@mikec3454 I'm an H2 owner and use it as an overlanding vehicle. I also use a 2006 Tundra as an overlanding platform. The Tundra is a great deal smaller and gets moderately better gas mileage. It can't carry as much as my H2, isn't better off road by any stretch of imagination, isn't *more* reliable - though my Tundra is solid, and generally isn't my choice to go take a trip in. The H2 get's the nod for long trips mainly because it has capacity and it's proven to be durable/reliable. I have done the same basic mods that TFL did to their H2, with the addition of leveling, different UCP and 37" KM3's.
I think the main reason you don't see Hummers often is simply because there are far fewer of them than other makes.
I've owned a first gen Trooper (miss that thing), a pair of Land Rovers , and a Jeep. The Trooper was awesome, the Rovers were great when they ran (which seemed to be not often) and the Jeep was great off road but horrible on road. The Tundra and the Hummer are both better overall.
FWIW I love the Land Cruiser, it's just not in my price 'reality'.
There is absolutely better vehicles than the Hummer - it's older tech (mine is like 120 in dog years), it's heavy, wide, not a diesel....er I mean get's poor mileage, etc. But it certainly is capable.
4runner TRD Pro ftw
I used to go mudding when I was just outta high school and there were these huge mud rigs built that would get stuck and then your see these lifted little Suzuki Samurai come up and just plow through the mud holes the big trucks all got stuck in. Loved Samurais.
It's not nice to lie to yourself, only offroading your Suzuki saw was when you couldn't park it and the front tire touch the grass in a mall parking lot.
Michael Bacon
samurais are for pussies
FSEVENMAN but they got big sword XD
wow people are dicks yeah id love a little 4x4... people call my tacoma small but its huge in all actuality
Anyone who considers the suzuki samurai/ sierra/ Jimmy weak because they're small has never been in one off roading. They are nice and light, have great approach angles, and have very good ground clearance to relative size.
I have own an h2 hummer for 7 plus years in and African country where gas is expensive but to be honest with you guys, h2 hummer is a great truck. It was reliable, good off-road car and most of all very imposing. On the down side was the visibility issues which after many years of ownership I was already used to and the gas. But overall for me 7 years with this truck, I can firmly say that this truck is underrated.
I was a product specialist for Hummer for years. We had a 14 acre off road facility we tested them at in Indiana. All of us were amazed at what the H2 could handle even more so the h3. Most of us were Jeep and Toyota owners until we drove 'em. In 2003 a base h2 went for roughly $53,000 if I remember correctly. Let's not forget all the Baja's it won either. Ir was the real deal and didn't deserve the raw deal it got from everybody. My only beef was if did have weak factory tie rods for a vehicle of 8,600 lb's. That said, the only tie rod I ever bused was in moab doing some pretty crazy stuff I don't think any other stock vehicle could do otherwise.
The first thing I changed on my 2003 was the tie rods. The window sticker on mine was $55k - I'm the second owner, bought it in late 2014 @ 18K miles. It's been fantastic. You guys built a great rig.
@Maty you are the man, brother. The H3 Alpha Offroad package features a 50.3:1 crawl ratio and that sweet LH8 under the hood. In stock form it is an absolute goat on the trails. Best decision of my life. Looking forward to babying a 2nd generation H2. Forget a delicate Land Cruiser. Forget an overhyped Bronco. Hummer. Like nothing else. Truly.
See what i love about you guys is you keep humor in the videos so it's not all boring. Love the all the russian speaking lol!
Gotta love how Andre and Nathan just rib each other xD
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Land Cruiser is an unstoppable beast
Sam Jacobs
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Sam Jacobs Absolutely true u said. Doesn't breakdown like other crappy show off SUVs.
We got ours stuck a few times. You must of never drove one offroad
big sarge Landcruisers are the defacto suvs in Australian Outback. And they’re some of toughest places in the world
Sam Jacobs Jimny the real deal.
I love Nathan's sense of humor! Awesome Hummer. I want one. Lol. Great episode guys!
Landcruiser all day
Entertaining but flawed review compare a similarly built 200 vs that built H2 its no comparison. Even said that factory Land Cruiser behind the wheel of an owner familiar with the LC would still run circles around the H2. The LC is better in ALL categories also it holds its value and will be on the road decades later when the H2's are all in junkyards. A Land Cruiser any series model you pick has a reliable lifespan of 25/30 years. ua-cam.com/video/IXNDx_XgoKg/v-deo.html
So tie rods equal built H2 ???? LMAO !!! The departure angle is not as good as the hummer. That LC would be ripping off bumpers. Just the fact that Toyota does not even put decent offroading tires on it should tell you they don't not intend it for hard offroading without going aftermarket.
Larry Landry
Lol you're delusional if you really think a LC is better (and more reliable) than an H2 at offroading.
@@retrokingranch Why is he delusional? Landcruisers have a proven track record. An H2 might do ok head to head with the soccer mom 200 series LC in this video. An H2 would get buried by 70, 60, and 40 series LCs.
H2s are not for serious off roading.
...........all day stuck in the mud.
It was great meeting you guys at Overland Expo! Looking forward to seeing the H2 get way out there and do some exploring!
I just love the Land Cruiser, with its big, brawny, naturally aspirated V8 engine that a lot of manufacturers are dropping for V6s.
Big, Brawny ie too big for the trail, and too expensive when you rip-off a fender.
Sergiu Puscasu
The H2 also has a big, brawny, naturally aspirated V8. As a matter of fact, the H2's V8 is even bigger.
In other countries toyota offers the 4.0L V6 and a 4.5L V8 twin turbo diesel in the 200 series.
@@retrokingranch Well in displacement the H2's engine is bigger, but in the physical size of the engine, the 6.2L V8 is much much smaller than the 5.7L 3UR-FE.
I love you guys, and I watch your episodes daily, but I have to laugh a wee bit here.
You claim the Hummer was more capable than the LC, yet the LC went everywhere the Hummer went - with ZERO modifications and street tires! I mean, it has the worst tires on earth - Dunlop’s, and it went everywhere the hummer did (with 35” BFG KM2’s!). Yeesh. I’ll take the LC any day of the week.
Larry Queen Hummer came factory in 35’s so you’re saying? Hummer H2 will see more off roading than most LC ever will 🤷🏻♂️
@@samuellloyd6582 go to other countries with deserts. No one uses hummer there
Klarschwert Kquid
Fool, that's because some foreign countries don't sell American vehicles.
@@retrokingranch So? that's not land cruiser's problem. It is because there is no demand for Hummer in many markets. What do you want?
@@samuellloyd6582 I guess you haven't traveled much. The only thing I see are hiluxs and land cruiser. Go to any Safari in Africa. 90% of the cars are going to be land cruiser.
I disagree, the worlds most hated truck is the honda Ridgeline.
*john doe* it’s not really even considered a truck, it’s a car with a bed
TableRocked lol how is having a hummer even related to those things?
You again! Change the profile pic maaan!))
World is not USA alone. World's hates mean 99% of american and a few of European products. Most of them are garbage
Also bmw drivers aren’t 99% of the people. Go down to Mexico, it’s chevy, Ford and dodge. A good amount of vw. And usually rich snobby kids drive bmw.
I think ANDRE and NATHAN, could be great comedians too. Never change please.
Love these kind of videos! Man, that Toyota is so nice, I'd have a hard time taking it off roading.
Thats the problem with Land Cruisers. They are so capable offroad, but they cost damn near 100k and nobody that buys one really wants to drive them offroad. They put the best technology in that SUV, and then didnt give it any ground clearance. Kind of tragic.
Brad Conklin take it off road and break it. My new Expedition will destroy that thing & get 300k mis.
@@Davido50 sure it would. Good luck with the shitty welds in your fuel pump.
Will Thornton Check out the 70 series they sell in Australia. Land cruisers are the defacto off-road beasts everywhere in the world except ‘Murica. Even the rich Arabs trust them to the deserts.
I loved this video. Good comparison, and I got such a kick out of Nathan and Andre messing with each other, especially the Russian parts.
Still Hummer is my favourite suv in the world 💓💓💓
Gawd I luv Andre. The best part of TFL... so glad they let him be a host
This is the first US-based duo in a show about cars I've seen that even comes close to that global Juggernaut trio. Have your producers even noticed?
That is all
global juggernaut trio?
@@jamesflores9456 top gear uk
Check out 4WD Action for pure off road action
7:15 “I’m using all my lights” has gotta be one of the best off-road sentences I have ever heard. 😂
Great video as always. You guys are a kick in the butt . Really enjoy watching.
I live in Thornton, today I saw what looked like Andre in the hummer near 136th ave and Colorado Blvd! First time seeing any of the TFL gang around in Colorado. Denver native and I'm a fan man! Keep up the great videos! 🤘🏻😎
"world's most hated truck" ? I wouldn't agree. If it's because of mpg than ford excursion would be included as well. Personally I like the Hummer. Reminds me of Tonka toy truck.
LOL! 12.9 mpg for the TLC?! I used to have a 1969 FJ-55 that routinely got 15 mpg on the road.
my 80 series gets 26mpg in hard going and 29mpg on the highway. Naturally aspirated diesel. Solid as a rock, no modern 4WD can compare. Wanna try? I live in The Coorong National Park so come on all takers
Edwin Henry Blachford but no American 80 series Land cruiser had a diesel so a bit hard to compare.
oops yep. More power more fuel. But source the 4.2 litre 6 cylinder naturally aspirated diesel from the Toyota bus for this vehicle. 24 valve turbo if you want the extra maintenance. Personally I find a mountain to be a mountain and I can get over all. Each to their own
Edwin Henry Blachford I'd love a diesel Land cruiser been looking for a nice 60 or 70 series to import.
the 70 series 6 cylinder diesel tray top is considered as the ultimate boundary riders vehicle in Australia for Roo, Dingo and Fox Shooters. I ain't shitting you for I've done it. Slower than the petrol until you get to rough terrain, the diesel in any variant is unstoppable. Also half the fuel. Personally I'd opt for the naturally aspirated (since I have one in my Landcruiser) because at 130hp this works out perfectly on sand. Always seek a vehicle with the front diff locker but if a competent offroad driver the standard rear wheel LSD is awesome enough. But yeh rear LSD + front locked diff is amazing.. Get an AWB locker on the front if you don't have the Toyota unit. Then you will be unstoppable. The "Dog Fence" runs from Ceduna to the SA border and a 70 series tray top is considered the ultimate rig - you can make good money shooting roos and foxes with one of these. But only one of these Toyotas ( or maybe a very good Nissan GQ diesel ) for anything else breaks. That is the strength of 60, 70 and 80's series Landcruisers - they never break. If fitting big tyres for some obscure reason up grade the front Burfield joints and axles.. but why you'd want that useless extra expense is beyond my reason. But hey I simply live and work in Central Australia so who gives a damn eh
Edwin Henry Blachford I live in Colorado, USA right now. I've got a Petrol FJ Cruiser. Pretty much stock but a rear locker. I work on access roads and right of ways in the oil field. So mud and sand is where I drive for work and I play on the rocks in the mountains. I want to go on vacation out in Australia for a few months and get a Land cruiser to hit a few nice tracks up.
One of your best videos yet I laughed all the way through it and learned a few things awesome job guys
You should compare to the 80 or 100 series land cruiser. New land cruisers are mall crawlers now.
Neal Bird 80 series was a mall crawler when new also. Saw plenty of them in the 90’s. Solid front axle though!
Landcruiser is the father of all suvs
H2 hummer is not the most hated vehicle. Probably the the Honda rigiline
There will always be comments like "my civic can do those trails"...Maybe, but it's awesome that you guys actually test trucks off road, while other channels just talk about it.
i loved Nathan's Russian impersonation! Hilarious.
Все равно на русском говорит с акцентом
That hummer is awesome and it was getting basically the same mpg as a brand new suv.
Someone needs to get Andre a Lada Niva :D
I'd be happy to help you guys export one if you are interested, but it'd likely be a UK RHD spec Cossack, less useful in the US.
What, and make the jeep look bad?!
Absolutely love these H2 vids!
Nathan "However" Adlen. :D :D :D
I have a laugh every time he says "however", it's like his thing, a trademark.
Like Stacey David's "as you can see....".
Tommy acts like his Jeep is a rock crawler lol I saw that video of Tommy’s Jeep compared to a real rubicon ... yeah big difference
GMC Jae well, it is a rock crawler, just not the best one 😊
What do you mean Tommy’s Jeep did just as good as the rubicon if not better.
Define rock crawler- Tommy's Jeep was crawling over those rocks just fine. The LC and Hummer are definitely not rock crawlers. The H2 can only be described as a rock crusher, and the LC, well my missus owns one, and I'm afraid to say and its a mall crawler.
My Dad bought one of the first H2’s (#5-10) in Canada back in 2003 and still has it to this day. Definetely one of the best cars I’ve been in. Cant say I’ve driven it because my dad treats that thing like the Ferrari from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off.
Who thinks these guys should do a comedy episode keeping in characters like they featured in this episode? Thumbs up if ya!
tops303 sounds like a plan, I thought it was comedy
I think the hummer is just misunderstood. When it came out, gas was cheap and the vehicle could outperform just about anything off road with its factory lockers and ground clearance. For the Toyota being close to 15 years newer, I don't think the hummer did too bad.
The land cruiser is great but I don't see people that are overlanding pay 85000 for one. Maybe get a used one they are very reliable.
look around...they are driven by dr's wives...its just a big bloated station wagon to them, not an offroader
Used ones are still expensive
Its almost always been 2nd/3rd owners for these and other high end touring wagons since the early 90's. No shock there. I mean even the ubiquitous 80 series Land Cruiser was bought by some dentist new before people like me got a hold of it.
I personally love that these live easy, sheltered first lives. Im happy letting them pay the depreciation curve...its not going to matter how many easy miles are on these by the time people who intent to tour with them get their hands on them.
I'm sorry I didn't make it up to the Overland Expo this year, had I seen this before now I would have gone just to meet up with you guys!
Why you gave the h2 and wrangler bigger tires lifted them and change them and kept the land cruiser stock ?!
H2 is not lifted, u can fit 37" without any mods.
It’s a loan.
I've been waiting for a video like this. Thanks!!
The only catch here is that the Land Cruiser actually made it there and back reliably STOCK, irregardless of the price, it's a vehicle that will last for decades stock. The jeep with all the work and addon parts ran well over 50% the cost of the Toyota Landcruiser, without needing any modification, aftermarket parts, adjustments or enhancement, which the Jeep had ALL of, and the Hummer had Half of. If you're going to buy a Jeep wrangler new, and modify it, buy a Landcruiser used and the same. You'll get better longevity and reliability. I Can justify the Hummer if it was gotten for a cheap price and you added in the work. But they're not making it anymore
There is no way that Jeep with its add-ons cost $44K. I thought they bought it used?
News that matter
The Hummer had absolutey no modifications at all. The 35" tires the H2 had are from factory. The only thing that was changed was the tire tie rods, which then isn't even a mod, it's more of a necessity than a mod. The H2 also isn't lifted.
the h2 is stock.
@@retrokingranch you may be right. If you are then I am mistaken. My apologies. I'll look into it and confirm
That was fun) especially at the end when Andrei was reading in Russian)
Good stuff as always fellas
For trails like this all that matters is approach, departure, and clearance. Breakover isn't really a factor.
That's the difference between rock crawling and rock hopping. Furthermore, rock crawling doesn't mind solid axles, while rock hopping will have problems with a solid axle and diff getting stuck on jagged rocks and such.
Likewise, thats the primary difference between weekend rock crawler vehicles and overland vehicles.
"sleeping pod" hmm thats inteesting...they have this new invention called a tent
H3 would make a great offroader, especially if you can find the off road package
It had the pathetic I5 engine though, and was just a rebodied chevy Colorado. One of the owners of a bike shop I worked for had one, it could barely tow a bike trailer on the freeway as it was. Nothing awesome about it at all. Now if it had the I6 other models based on the same chassis had it would have been nicer.
Oldbmwr100rs my 2008 H3 is the Alpha model and has the 5.3 V8. It’s a beast
You already know the awnser I would choose the land cruiser perfect tank
I think you guys did yourselves a favor when you picked up Andre as part of your crew. I love it when you guys crack jokes in Russian. It's like suttle comedy. Thanks for putting this up. Vote for Andre!
Although a fun video to watch, I see the concept of overlanding being misused.. rock crawling and overlanding are 2 very different things. The land cruiser is an awesome platform for an overland build, but the H2 (and this is a very personal opinion) is not a good vehicle at all: it huge, too long of a wheelbase, NOT reliable, requires lots of upgrades.. I suggest making a comparison video between a land cruiser and a Nissan Patrol - vehicles designed with similar features.
Cheers!
Yeah, "overland" gets thrown around a little too caviler in the US these days. No it doesn't mean going off road for a few hours.
sorry for your prejudice of the Hummer. Just a little education about this vehicle. The reason so many people liked the Hummer was it didn't need any upgrades. Except for the Tie Rods, I will agree with that... what was the reason behind that I will never know. The Hummer was ready for off road right from the show room. The front end was built like a chevy 2500 for the weight of the motor and the rear end 1500 for towing. It comes with 33's, and you can put 35's or 37's without upgrading anything. the only thing besides the tie rods I have upgraded was the exhaust system. I installed 4 inch pipes with a Evenflo muffler, and a better air filter. it puts me up to 362 HP, I can do a little more to get to 400 but then it will start messing with my gas mileage. Right now I get 12 to 13 in town and 19 highway, maintaining the speed at 1500 RPMs I'm at 22 to 23. That's no BS, give me your email and I'll send you a picture to prove it. The reason why I get this type of mileage is because I don't drive it like I stole it. I have owned this one for the past 5 years and has been a solid vehicle. All I have done to it was normal oil changes and schedule maintenance, plugs and cables, air filter, belts, trans and radiator flush.
@eric Parks - Don't you have that backwards? I think the rear was the 14 bolt corporate axle (from the 3/4 ton) and the front was the half ton axle. As an aside I think the H2 could have really been something special had it been allowed to survive past rubbish GM and their dark 2000's. the mechanical engineering was quiet good and some legit effort went into making it capable. I even wrote a thing about it years ago. oppositelock.kinja.com/why-the-h2-should-have-been-a-classic-1447347444
Hello Eric, First of all I want to thank you for the enlightment in the H2. Now, as I wrote in the comment above, this is a personal opinion and I don't mean to offend anyone. I work in the auto industry and have been around cars for over 30 years. My experience with H2s have been very bad and this is my grounds to make such statement - reliability. To my knowledge - and I might be wrong - is that the H2 is a GMC Denali with a different shell and bigger tires, again I might be wrong.
I wanted to express my surprise when i see "Experts" using terminology that they don't have clear. Overlanding and rock crawling are very different activities and the vehicles are designed with that in mind.
Size, weight and shape and factors that are taken in consideration when designing a vehicle for a purpose and if we're talk about overlanding there are other options that might be more suitable. Like i stated before, overlanding and rock crawling or even back-road offroading, are not the same thing.
Cheers!
Roberto Olivar
Yeah, and opinion does not equal fact.
Really great video guys! You three are the best together!
LandCruisers have become a luxury career than off-road vehicle. For that purpose, from Toyota, get something else like Tacoma or 4 Runner ( and Landcruiser 70's series ).
its been this way for a while. My 97 came one way - loaded. Doesn't mean its less capable.
Keep up with the funny humor I'm starting to like it a lot. BTW I can't stop cracking up from that Russian talk that was seriously great!
You guys are awesome, keep it up 😂😂😂🤣🤣
HahasoNotorious 327 what is so funny?
Great video TFL! I really wish the Sequoia looked leaner and meaner like it's big brother Land Cruiser. Fingers crossed Toyota does this by 2020.
Tfl truck always makes the highest quality content.
I've gone on Jeep Jamborees in my Grand Cherokee WJ Overland. The guys in the Wranglers just didn't like it. Too comfy. They liked to be jostled around on a firm suspension & solid frame. It didn't help them tackle the trail any. I (on worn all-season tires with no lift) did better than most of them, yet I had a nice ride in plush leather seats, A/C blowing, and good music playing.
Awesome! More russian Andre! I think land cruisers engeneer forgot what that name mean... these side steps are ridiculous and have no place on a land cruiser!
I would actually keep the running boards on because it doesn’t come with factory sliders would protect the vehicle. Additionally, replacing runners would be cheaper than replacing door panels, the entire door, rocker panel, etc. if it got smashed on the trail.
I would choose the Hummer, I don't care if I damage it because it's rough, it's higher, probably could go a lots faster than the Toyota in offroad, but he didn't dare.
Best Toyota 4x4 is 70 Series. Efficiency, capability, durability and simple electronic for easy fixing. New 2019 Land Cruiser for suburban off-road. I experienced myself this summer.
I love the land cruises,, with all my heart plus look how he nasty it
Toyota love u
Still enjoy my 2 hummers h2 !!
Why people hate the hammer so much it's a nice car. I love it..
Its not a car its not a truck its hummer the only hummer
Estes Park! Love that trail, but we did it on a rented RZR.
The Hummer looks lots more sturdy for these trails..
It might look the part but it can't play the part...worst truck in history..
@@MultiDreamer1979 that's a lie.
Looks can be deceiving
@@ismailtopa3671 maybe, but not on the H2.
@Bezo Balo no shit...
i had an 86 land criuser with a lift kit and prity beefy tires. i loved that truck.....wish i still had it
Perfect Russian banter. This one was special guys.
the old early 80s model F350's is excellent off road with a good set of 33's i have yet to get stuck on something i could not rock out of but i did swop for a thicker skid plate for my rear 38 gallon reserve tank as it will make rocks sometimes when recording from a drop off
For once you guy's did a review including a Toyota where you did not beat down on the yota as if it was a P.O.S
Would love to see this comparison with an "overland prepared" 100-series Land Cruiser (probably closer apples to apples cost-wise)
I agree. Comparing a modified to a stock vehicle yields what conclusion?? Anyone who wants to use a Hummer as a daily driver I wish them luck. They aren't reliable and you pretty much can't see a thing out of their windows.
$85000 LC with side steps and crap tires...Sounds like Toyota in the US. Sad that the only Land Cruiser we get in the US is a soccer mobile.
Ryan Martinage It's literally exactly the same what we get here in the middle east.
Ibraheem Al hadede I'd love to get the ones from Australia. Solid front axle v8 turbo diesel.
Ryan Martinage You mean the older style? Because you will never get a solid axle in the current models.
You can buy new 70 series LC in AUS with the solid front axle.
No. You can buy brand new 2018 model year 70 series Land Cruisers with all the things that made them famous.
You guys are so funny!TLC here.
And another thing, the Hummer should be the one checking the trail, not that jeep.
What channel are you using on them Beofengs? They technically can not legally be used without a HAM radio license, although low power mode on MURS channels meets output specs to use under MURS rules.
That was informative and funny, thanks guys for another great show!
Love how they (russian🇷🇺 and American🇺🇸) are good friends.... especially how that American man tried fake russian funny.......lol 😂😂😂 love from india🇮🇳...
LAND CRUISER bast off-road
Hummer is bestest.
Montero/Pajero/Shogun is also Gold standard. Good video!
I chose the H2 before the test and i chose the H2 after the test!
In where i live, the 2 most common suvs are the land cruiser and the nissan patrol followed up by the pajero and prado
Both are best but my heart is with the #hummer which is a pure badass
Jose Paul David completely agree
agree. LC is a mall crawler. if you hate hummer, dont buy it. i dont like low rider civics, or lifted trucks with doughnut tires, thats why i dont buy them. respect everyone's choice, or accept the criticism for your choices as well
Love the hummer.
I’ll take the LC, because you can put 300k miles on it, the Hummer will quit at 150k.
stanley kowalski Mall crawler? Lol. Only in America. Ask an Australian what car do they trust in tough and dangerous Australian rural outback.
Leave it up to the Jeep to be the go to vehicle for scouting and recovery. Great video guys.
How cool it would be for you guys to get your hands on a Mahindra Jeep. Maybe even make it street legal.
I’m curious to see a off road test between the Land Cruiser and the Nissan Armada
2 very funny guys...well done both. Thoroughly enjoyed the video.
Most hated what ?!
Excuse me! Who does not love hummers !
They are very unique
Yes Land Cruisers are rock crawlers lol.. Best crawlers of ALL large SUVs, and still the best overland rig I have ever owned
Soo... A modified H2 vs. Stock Land Cruiser...
I'd still take the Land Cruiser
12 mpg on the Landcruiser... wow! And I thought my Tundra was bad on gas.
70 series LC is Golden
Absolutely
Early model 80 series in diesel. Unbreakable
Al Al why not! the 70 series has only been in production 3x longer. It was so good they just retired it, like a jersey I guess.
The land cruise used to be a solid, capable machine. Now it’s an expensive soccer mom vehicle. What we want here in the states is the FJ70. If they weren’t impossible to find, i would buy a FJ 40 to build. The FJ80 was the last real Land Cruiser sold here in the US.
Have some friends from Yemen they are definitely Toyota people!
Poppy Neese Most people in the middle east. But people here don't mind GM trucks. It's just that the LC is more common and used to be simple to fix.
still is if your one of the countries with the 70 series
Poppy Neese I’m from Yemen I like Toyota but I like other brands too
Militants love Toyota.
I wish I was working with you guys. Love your JOB
Comparing Toyota to crap. Wow you guys at tfl need a break. The landcruiser is a UN vehicle. And is extremely reliable that's why. A landcruiser will always get you home no matter what. And it will run for generations. I had a landcruiser with 300 ks and trust me never saw a check light just regular maintaince it never broke.
thats only 180,000 miles, any and every vehicle should last that long with regular oil changes
@@hellojames4069 yeah my old pirus even last that more
Like the posts... But keep in mind the radios you are using are ham radios.
FRS and MURS frequencies are non licensed, however each have their own power restrictions.
GMRS frequecies require a license.
Amateur Radio frequencies require a license and are NOT for business use.
Any other frequency you just "punch in" could be a Government, Law Enforcement, Military, Commercial, Public Service, or any other agency frequency and is not only illegal to transmit on without a license, it could cause serious interference to licensed users. If your licensed my apologies, but often people buy these cheap radios thinking they can use them as walkie talkies.
Indeed, these BaoFeng's can be programmed to practically any VHF frequency, up to 8 watts. FCC is starting to take notice and is probably going to ban these. Same with the cheap, easily 11m convertible 10m radios.
The title should be, “Old vs Older”
Goco Family Facelifts don't make an 10 Y.O. design modern.
jironmeister yeah the LC200 is so outdated for a car you can still buy brand new today.
Allen D. Typical Toyota fanboyism, defending their lack of innovation and overall blandness. There is a reason it’s called the Bland Cruiser.
Alex Stelling and you are the only one calling it bland cruiser.
Alex Stelling or maybe americans are so lazy that they need a vehicle that drives for them?
Pretty impressive the old 6.0 vortec is getting 12.5 mpg hauling all that ass around vs the brand new land cruiser with Toyota's 5.7? Getting 11.5mpg... Not to shabby for an old gm
It is old vs new ...