10 Minutes of Religion being DESTROYED by Sam Harris #2
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- In this video Sam Harris dissects the foundations of religion with surgical precision in this gripping 10-minute video.
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A world without religion? Yes, please.
Amen
There are no religions in Hell.
@@ThroneofDavid8 Hell will be full of self righteous religious people
NO.
@@Artman1 True
I could listen to this man for hours. So simple but yet so enriched.
Well they only showed 3 minutes of the debate with Craig. Maybe look that up to get a more balanced view.
@@martinmoffat5417WLC is a vapid thinker. This was his peak and it’s only been downhill from here
I'm a proud Aussie Atheist. Sam is highly intelligent and a great orator. 🇦🇺 😊
I don't want to kill, I don't want to be killed. I don't want to steal or want my stuff getting stolen. I don't need god to know those things. I have empathy and societal laws. No god.
What/who makes you having empathy?
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"Mirror" neurons.
Doesn't it mean that atheists are "rely" on others to develop empathy?
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Nice superficial rtard analysis of the root word.
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Does atheists rely on what the others do to developing their empathy?
Its sad to think of all the children that died from very curable diseases but because of religion didnt get the care they needed because the parents believed God would cure them. Getting out of the religious mindset was the best thing mentally i could of done for myself
Christians brought us the hospitals and moe fundamentally the concept of caring for the weak. Darwin brought us eugenics and preservation of the favoured r@ces
How about all the children saved by kind committed doctors and nurses.
@@martinmoffat5417 the earliest known hospital was the temple of Epidaurus, where people could receive care and treatment, built in 4th century BC
The code of Hammurabi had legal protections which displayed the concept of caring for the weak, over 500 odd years before the OT was written
It had legal protections for vulnerable peoples, like widows and orphans
Then you need to realize that caring for the weak is a concept displayed even in some animals, there's literally no evidence to suggest it began with the Christian movement. Even the good Samaritan cared for the weak and they had their own religious beliefs and gods
Also Darwin had nothing to do with eugenics. A bunch of racists used his work to justify eugenics
And what of 73 Milli0n innocént lives that are premàturely st0len each year. Livés that are ènded as sàcrifice to protect h00kup culture. Christianity has always been a voice for the voiceless and we will not be silenced.
@@micklumsden3956 They had someone take them to these healers.
Just discovered this channel 20 mins ago. Incredible.
Nice to have you!!!
And I just got here
I am a secular humanist who doesn't believe in any god or gods...every religious person needs to wake up to the REAL world
I am a former atheist
Who did not believe in God or his existence.
It took yrs for me to come to the realization that God is God.
@@RandomStuff-i4iGo to your enclave then. Stay away from the rest of us.
@@RandomStuff-i4i😂😂😂 wtf
Tell me more about the 'REAL world'
Oh you know of God exists of not wow heu everyone deevnn knows everything and has the answer to life's biggest question, let's listen to him
Sam Harris is one of the great thinkers of our time.
Not even his own ilk accept his moral framework as it must be accepted as a brute fact. Refer to Alex O’Connor
He's a Primate
@@matimus100 As are all human beings.
@@martinmoffat5417 I'm of his "ilk" and I accept his moral framework. And by looking at the comments, many others do too.
@@The-Doubters-Diary Sam Harris is right to be skeptical of secularism as it is more properly understood as Historian Tom Holland suggests to be partially lapsed form of Christianity which is why it is fundamentally western in origin. Secularism is akin to a farmer saying, "We no longer need to plant seed or work the land because we have all its produce."
God is Santa Clause for adults.
"Follow these rules, and you will be granted eternal life. Just trust me, bro!"
Daymn! Why didn't I think of that! Lol!😅
"He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good, for goodness' sake. Oh, you better not pout..."
If only we had narcan for belief. How many would take it? If they only knew how the weight is lifted and love of life and humanity stays. What a beautiful world we live in; it is people that mess it up.
Although this is a standard question from believers, asking "what's there to prevent you from committing murder if you don't believe in god?" proves a lack of basic understanding of human psychology. Even animals don't run around randomly killing each other, let alone people, who have consistently and willingly organised themselves in communities based on partnership and communication throughout history. Murder happens either in the context of psychopathy or emotional distress (you feel like you're being denied something essential to your well being - sex, greed, revenge) and is exacerbated when a society has broken down (war, civil or otherwise). In other words, unless you're under real or perceived threat or have a severe personality disorder, you're going to want to work out your issues with others peacefully, regardless of what you believe in or don't believe in, because a) you intuitively understand that it's easier to live in a community, and b) because humans do genuinely enjoy social interactions and develop affection and empathy for one another.
They come to the belief in the existence of God out of sheer hope that he will come to their aid. I don't think they really believe he will, they just hope against all odds that one day it will happen.
Magical thinking, perverted faith. Not the good kind of faith that persistence, diligence, and passion that everything will work out in the end.
They???????
Why do you give yourself the right to speak for others?
@@__-tz6xx "Work out in the end"? You mean, after you're dead? That absolutely *is* magical thinking.
@@martinmoffat5417 The same reason the rest of the world does, I have a voice and have the right to use it. The person on stage does the same thing.
Belief in your particular “god” tends to encourage violence to anyone who doesn’t worship the same “god”.
It seems to promote tribalism, doesn't it? It separates us through myth telling and pits us against each other for no good reason other than some twisted pride in a fantasy that can never be proven.
Anne Lamott - 'You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.'
Imagine what mankind would do without the fear of consequence
@@martinmoffat5417 You are talking about Christians. Christianity teaches that it doesn't matter what you do, god will forgive you. No consequences.
@@martinmoffat5417 I imagine a world without the murdering of innocents over religious myths.
Honestly, the ones that think sound moral values can only come from religion, are the religious people. And there's no argument you can present to them that'll come to their senses. You'll end up getting either an angry response, long monologues about the greatness of their God or a lot of preaching.
And, you people are REALLY cruel.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite I don't know about the people you're talking about, as I'm not part of any group or doctrine, but, I'm actually a nice person. I don't think homosexuals are an abomination, like the Bible says. I don't think women are second class citizens, like the Bible shows. I don't think people that don't accept God or jesus, deserve hell. So, in general, I have a much fairer and humane moral code than what the Bible would make me have, don't you think?
@@Guanda70 I am not a Christian, in fact, I consider Christianity ahrimanic (Satanic). I am a Mazdakite Zoroastrian, and my religion teaches absolute equality. I want every man, woman, and child in the world to be equal, from the laboring slave to the king. (That phrase is derived from an account of Mazdak's revolt in the Shahmenah) I do NOT condemn nonbelievers to hell, and I love all of Ahura Mazda's creatures. A much better world than the imperialist world order you defend, don't you think?
@@TheMilitantMazdakite I'm an atheist. I don't believe in the supernatural. I don't follow any doctrine or institution. I only have a philosophy that could be described as humanism.
No she straw-manned the question at the beginning so you're justified in seeing the argument as weak. The framing of the question would have the theists denying its claim. Of course there can be morality without God. Its what we call subjective morality. The philosophical argument is that there can be no objective moral framework from which to discern good and evil that is binding on all mankind without a creator.
One of the better collections of Sam's work. Thank you!
Even in Africa where people have nothing to eat do understands this smart guy.he has huge impact almost on everybody who is listening being free from brainwashed.
Sam, thank you. Thank you for helping me take the shackles off. You were helpful. So were the others. I can never give back to you what gave to me
I coin a new phrase “religio-politics,” which is the politics of religion aimed at psychological and social control of other men since the days of the unsophisticated pre-science tribalist hunter-gatherer up through the Agricultural Revolution and unfortunately into modern times.
Sadly, amongst the many tragic flaws, misconceptions and errors of the Abrahamic religions - Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Islam, Mormonism - are:
1) The religious institutionalized misogyny and suppression of normal healthy sexual behavior instead has encouraged throughout history, men making war not love.
2) That thick dusty old or ancient foundational proprietary religious tomes such as the Jewish Bible, the New Testament, the Quran and the Book of Mormon are in actuality desperate attempts by tribalist men to fashion a moral code, but more dangerously, the claim of exceptionalism and a claim on real estate (!).
3) The realization that threat and fear is the modus operandi of Abrahamic religion, and integral to that is the absurd and preposterous claim that there is life after death, and failure of faith causes annihilation in eternal flames of Hell.
This rises to a crime against humanity.
Agreed, and unfortunately women in those cultures often convince themselves that submitting to those ideologies is an act of choice and agency, not the result of fear or peer pressure.
When he brings out statistics, that's his wheelhouse right there.
No, that's when he gets especially cruel in how he blames the west's victims.
The map he shows is literally the evidence that Christianity is good for society. All the Western nations are literally the highest on his index. But of course you object and say, “Not anymore”. This is a fundamental misunderstanding firstly of how long it takes to input values into a culture to then receive benefits and secondly of where the secular values come from in the first place. Don’t believe me. Ask secular Historian Tom Holland
The statistic literally show expansion of Christianity in the western world. Even the values today called secular are Christian in their origin. It takes a long time for the input of values to create an output of cultures. Thank you Sam Harris for the testament to Christianity
Stats represent the Christianized nations
Religion is and has always been merely a placeholder for knowledge.
Well isn't that a surprise. People whose religion inherently mandates that they unconditionally reject atheism and any challenge to their religious beliefs, are actually rejecting Sam Harris for some unknown reason.
The main basic fault of religious morality is the abdication of personal morality. There is no mystery regarding personal morality. If you have empathy for others you dont want to do what will cause others harm. This is what our evolution as a species has taught us. We learn this as children. But when you allow someone else to determine your morality it becomes deeply flawed by the absence of your reasoning and by those creating a morality fit other lives. A great example is not kill. There are many varied definitions of what it means to not kill. To you, taking another life is horrible. Another person making that judgement has an outside judgement of it. If you find yourself in a position regarding taking a life you have to make that choice. Having another person judge that based upon an imaginary friend is so far removed from reason and experience. Killing for nationalism, religion, racism, bigotry is always wrong. You would never do otherwise without those influences. Just as a child would never do those things for those reasons. No one has a perfect morality. We live in a world where we have to make hard choices. But substituting your learned morality for the morality of another is on the whole wrong. Youve given up what you know for the skewed beliefs of others.
Religion does not abdicate morality at a personal level. It seems you suggest people should insist on their own morality in culture which is called anarchism. All religions believe the law of God is written on the conscience of mankind.
@@martinmoffat5417 Then we don't need prophets or texts telling us how to live life. Having no religion is not anarchism, it's secularism. Big difference.
@@randyhilton6629 Secularism is lapsed Christianity. It shares our fruits but rejects its roots. Your statement is akin to a farmer saying we don’t need to work the land anymore because we have its produce
@@martinmoffat5417 "All religions belief the law of God is written on the conscience of mankind." The Hindus don't. The Sikhs don't. The Wiccans don't.
And if you believe in the god of the Bible and you believe the Bible, why would this god need to hand down any commandments ( old testament has a total of 613 commandments) at all? Did god forget they had already written the law on people's hearts? or did this god realize they left out a whole bunch of the laws?
@@cnault3244 You are absolutely wrong about those religious groups. They absolutely have God's moral standard written on their hearts as they believe in human dignity, moral duties and inalienable rights.
Brilliant theists will hate that the truth not supernatural nonsense will always shine through
Where ignorance is bliss religion thrives - Shytot-1
Thank you Sam Harris for all you’ve done to open peoples eyes. Truly an amazing thinker. I hope one day thoughts like this will be common sense.
If you want your eyes opened watch the whole debate between WLC and Harris. After losing the philosophical debate Harris results to slandering religions.
2. The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig
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What is this from? I really want to watch the entire thing.
They're listed above in the video description.
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1. Sam Harris : The End of Faith
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2. The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig
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Listen to the words of “John Lennon’s” Imagine. A world without religion, yes please.
If we didn’t have religions already “pre-made” for us then humans would invent them. Religions all start as doing something that will be good fortune for the tribe. Like dancing to being the rains. And when that doesn’t work they dance wearing red. And when that doesnt work they sacrifice a child, dance, and paint their faces blue. Then when it rains the next day it becomes a religious ritual the tribe does everytime they need something from “god”. Its built into human brains. Only reason and logic and science will overcome this irrationality.
If you need promises of rewards and threats of punishment 24/7 by an all knowing, cosmic dictator, you probably weren’t that good of a person to begin with.
I treat others how I would want to be treated and I feel guilty from inconveniencing others. Empathy is my standard for morality.
Not by praying for forgiveness and assuming I’m off the hook.
You just quoted the royal law of Christ. Do as you would be done by. We have nothing to fear because while we were still slnnérs Christ died for us. We love because he first loved us.
"Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wràth through him! For if, while we were God’s enèmies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!" Pauls Letter to the Romans 57 AD
@martinmoffat5417 The golden rules existed thousands of years before Christians invented the figure of jesus.
@@martinmoffat5417 Your jesus sanctioned slavery and genocide.
Don’t pretend I’m borrowing a standard of ethics from your imaginary friend.
@@martinmoffat5417 Read a bible. Any bible. Then say that.
christianity and islam are weird in the sense that they start off by declaring everybody a sinner ... I'd say it's a framework of narcissistic abuse, if you get them young enough and can indoctrinate them into thinking they are worthless you can basically abuse them and demand their forgiveness ...
Sam Harris taught me how to think better than almost anyone, and in my mind, stands with such good company as Hitchens and Dawkins. He's important to free thinkers everywhere and needed horribly in times like this.
But his thinking is limited to the value of the fruits of Christianity while lacking any mechanism to sustain them which he acknowledges in this video. This video in which he in fact poisons their roots
@@martinmoffat5417 Wtf are you talking about? He poisons what roots? Also he doesn't only talk about Christianity. I think I'm missing whatever point you're trying to make here
The values of the secular world are indistinguishable from Christianity. Don’t believe me look into the work done by Historian Tom Holland in Dominion
@@mikefufuffalo8487 Won't let me post to explain but perhaps if you comment on this post
@@martinmoffat5417 The values of the secular world are indistinguishable from christianity? No. Christianity's basis is the bible, and the bible is very, very morbid.
Outstanding commentary. Thank you.
No religion has a lock on charity or morals. The "religion" of the Native Americans is the most appealing. They see life in everything and it's place in everything up to and including rocks. The gratitude they would show for having to take an animals life to sustain themselves unlike today with ingratitude and gluttony while so many starve.
Only a criminal would be afraid of a Judge... only a sinful believer would believe in God. Normal people would just go on living their moral and ethical life.... without a worry for both.
I don't agree with Harris or Dawkins or Hitchens on secular issues like foreign policy, but their criticisms of religion are still bulletproof.
Nope. It's part of how they blame the victims of western imperialism.
On the contrary they are self defeating. If you enjoy the fruits why poison the roots. That's why the 2 of them have stepped back from criticizing Christianity. They have come to understand that it is the basis of the western values which is fully unpacked in Historian Tom Hollands work on Dominion
@@martinmoffat5417 Which is why religion continues to lose ground, day by day.
Sam Harris proves again why he's a god among atheists!
If Sam would just stop being so polite he could adopt the position of the late great Hitchins!
The problem is that sheep will be sheep. If you take religion away from them, they immediately find another ideology/hole to fall into. Taking religion away from them would make them unpredictable and could actually make them more dangerous to themselves and others.
Thats a bald ass claim i bet you cannot give any data to proof that true, so stop claiming bs!
@@pub652 Then why do people cling to religion?
Living brings have a will, a complex set of desires. An action becomes immoral when it hampers the desires of the being. Many actions that ARE desired will in turn hamper the desires of a seperate living being, and in these cases we must attempt to weigh which desire is more valuable to the whole of all beings. The prime desires are for continued existsnce, avoidance of pain, and freedom.
I desire lots of coffee, how that that negativly affect anybody?
@@youtubestudiosucks978 you'll note I said "many", not all actions. However, I don't think it's a stretch to see some effects of your coffee consumption. It was likely imported from another country, and there is some climate damage always involved in over seas shipping. It may have been processed by workers living in poverty. It might effect your personality negatively, making you agitated or stressed. In every scenario, the benefits must be weighed against the costs. Is it morally justified to drink coffee? I can not judge on this matter fully, but my first instinct is to say it's not so bad.
@@yamahkogribbis6212 every product sold is made by underpaid workers, the world is corrupt and slavery is still being practiced in anfrica
@@yamahkogribbis6212 every product made is done by underpaid workers. Slav3ry is still being practized in africa btw
@@youtubestudiosucks978 not just Africa, and of course I think that is immoral. No person can be perfectly moral in this world, so much of our existence is predicated on the suffering of others. We just try our best knowing we are flawed.
The story about the neuroscientist who is fine with taking out every third eye of children has a potential explanation. If she is from a country that practices things like female genital mutilation, she has already been indoctrinated into the idea. If she herself was a victim of that, then her support of something so ridiculous is simply her own defense mechanism at how her body was mutilated in the name of religion. I'm not defending her position - only that she is exhibiting a primitive human defense mechanism. This is something that religion often relies upon to manipulate its victims.
I disagree!
We need to look at the socioeconomic conditions of these places and don’t just blame religion for everything bad happening.
I am not religious, but I think improving people social services is the key to reduce crimes .
Education, healthcare, and jobs .😊
1:41 Sam Harris is right I be skeptical of secularism as it is more properly understood as Historian Tom Holland suggests to be partially lapsed form of Christianity which is why it is fundamentally western in origin. Secularism is akin to a farmer saying we no longer need to plant seed or work the land because we have all its produce.
People can do horrid things, but only religious people can be truly evil.
Really?...like really? "only religious people can be truly evil." Wow! You haven't spent much time on the internet have you? 🤣
Good for you.
@@shyman3000 Struck a nerve? Atheists have no absolute morality so there is only being good and bad. Religious people have absolute morality, so when they commit bad acts, they are evil.
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However , those numbers are changing .
Number of violent crimes in Europe has increased ( some due to increased immigration)
Also those low crime countries are high on education levels and social services .
So we can not just claim that atheism is the main factor for low crimes . 😊
Have you looked into religiosity vs atheism in prisons?
I guess god gave freewill to everyone except Muslim women,
Before the Bible/Quran there was a morality. The Quran borrows from the Torah/Bible, and the Bible borrowed from Middle Eastern cultures. It wasn't a new thing.
Jesus is said to be born in a region referred to as Jewish Palestine. This strip of land is on the Mediterranean between Syria and Egypt. Scholars today estimate roughly 500,000 people lived in this area +/- 100,000. So why did God focus on this small bit of land and its inhabitants and ignore all of his other children? Why is there little to no reference in God's bible to the "others" he created? These two simple questions throw shade on the bible's validity. For example, at the time of Jesus' birth there were already 75 million people in India, 57.5 million in China, 56 million in Europe, 250 million in Africa, 55 million in South America and 35 million in North America ... for a grand total of over 1/2 billion. Yet God avoids them, never speaking to them, never providing commandments, yadda, yadda, yadda. Religion is bad. 👋😎 My 2-cents.
religion is instinct rooted in a higher power. They all are simply rules about survival and reproduction that generally help people survive and reproduce more effectively thru cooperation which is something animals have figured out. All the stories have occured throughout human history and people shared them and learned which results were more beneficial to the individual and group as a whole. Survival of the fittest leaves you alone or dead while cooperation takes you to the moon.
You dont need religion to find and enjoy companianship and cooperation . Humans are social animals who will allways, in general, seek others to live with, no religion needed.
No, survival of the fittest winnows out the weak.
Science takes you to the moon. Literally.
The moral framework that Sam Harris proposes is essentially just utilitàrianism. The problem with utilitàrianism is that it relies on the benevolence of those who hold power to serve the weàk and poor rather than themselves. We need not w0nder if they can be trusted. Firstly they are slnnèrs like us and Secondly history has shown the çorrùptibility of power and its detrimental results. Philosophies require human compliance whereas Theology supplies objective standards such as moral duties and inalienable rights that by definition cannot come from mankind.
“Philosophies require human compliance” … religious moralities _don’t_ require compliance? Theology supplies lots of conflicting moral standards. No compliance required? Is the objective one the one you happen to favour? Or all of them are?
@@damienschwass9354 I never said you don't need compliance or philosophy. I was speaking of the limitation of each of the disciplines regarding morality. You certainly need compliance, philosophy in any moral system and theology at its base to derive meaning. Otherwise we are just discussing labels designed to control you.
@@martinmoffat5417 your argument is incomprehensible. “Philosophies require compliance whereas theology ….” Now you say you certainly need compliance whilst also talking about without compliance it’s just a system to control you?!! Complying is not adhering to a system of control?? You’re contradicting yourself martin
@@damienschwass9354 Or perhaps you misunderstand. A person could theoretically develop the perfect moral framework that accounts for everything from a philosophical stand point. But what is it value if it fails to obligate anyone to comply with its statutes? In reality it would only need to fail to capture the powerful and the rest is history. 170 million Rest In Peace.
@@martinmoffat5417 “what is it value if it fails to obligate anyone to comply with its statutes” people are no more or less obligated to comply with any other moral framework, and that includes any that invoke deities. Compliance is a matter of choice in every case.
Australia is not an Atheist country. The Pentecostal religion is the most peaceful!
Pentecostals are terrible people and not peaceful at all! I was around Pentecostals for a bit and the amount of HATE was astounding! Even where I live now, the Pentecostals are the right wingers and Republicans who make our lives worse with their hate and lies!
Stop lying Stuart
Sure is.
( :ﾟ皿ﾟ) This is the artistic proof that the universe was created. When you paint a shadow its the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white is so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.
I think a love of god is fine, but a love of religion sucks!!!
I'm an atheist, so there is no god, but as a backup plan... I'm not interested anymore in why he would have created what he created... how is what I'd like to know, why is not relevant. It was actually a happy day when I realised this.
Another person trapped in his own ignorance.
When are we going stop flooding youtube with this constant bickering about religion. Just believe or disbelieve and get on with our lives.
Easy.
Why?
Because the Christian cult thinks they need to spread their hate and lies instead of keeping that crap to themselves!
When people will stop kill in the name of supernatural sky daddies.
easy, when they stop arguing that it's important to find jesus and try to adopt cult leader apostel Paul's ideas in 21st century legistlation... and the same goes for Mohammed and allah...
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Listening to Sam's commentary on the clarity of his moral compass here, feels rather hollow in light of his support for the genocide in Gaza happening right now
When did he ever say he supports the genocide?
@@drsatan3231 listen to the last couple of podcasts. It's acceptable collateral damage in his eyes
@@SiRushBass what exactly were his words
You're the one making the claim, the burden of proof is upon you
But of course we don’t have the amount of live instruments that you people do!
Hi. I quite agree that the early iron age versions of God don't "cut the mustard", but why must we play the "religion versus science" game on the same old playing field those atavistic religions have dumped us on?
I'm a scientific Theist, and I have no trouble requiting science with morality and ethics. "Honesty" is not only the personal ethic that we trust most in other people, but also the main ethic of science because it exposes truth. Honesty is to do with both types of reality, both material and ethical. This is why when someone says "to be perfectly honest----" or "absolutely honest", everyone knows exactly what they mean, even small children, and no religious indoctrinations or understanding of philosophical nuances is needed. Honesty is a universal ethic understood in all cultures.
The other divider between right and wrong is malice, which is always wrong, and also easily recognizable. It's the opposite of kindness and goodwill. Dishonesty and malice always occur together, because secret malice uses dishonesty to hide behind. Dishonesty is always malicious because it seeks to deprive the deceived person of truth, and truth is also a scientific reality.
Although I personally choose to believe in God, it's not necessary to believe in him/her in order to understand ethics and morality. One God at least is not so full of himself that he's slammed the door on non-believers. I suppose you could say he's more kind and honest than the other Gods. Cheers, P.R.
You skipped the good parts, Mr. Scientific Theist. The 6-day creation. The moon turning into blood. The rod turning into a serpent. The 3 men in a furnace. A tribe wandering in the desert for 40 years.
Scientific? Or laughable?
@@Sue-xv8os Hi Sue. Of course I skipped them, those are the "same old playing field" of interpreting ancient metaphorical analogies literally. Even when rejecting the idea of "God", our thinking has been put inside very old religious boxes.
Your "good parts" still release a little information however, even if not of the direct and honest kind. "Following a pillar of fire at night, and a pillar of smoke by day" tells any forensic sociologist that the Hebrew tribe wasn't wandering in the desert for forty years, they were headed for the great Ptolemaic lighthouse at Alexandria on which a fire burned 24/7. It was there to guide ships, and please note that the camel is "the ship of the desert".
If "the Lord" had intended them to wander the Sinai sands for 40 years he would have told them to take water-skins, but no, he told them to pillage the Egyptians of jewelry and fine clothing, the type of item that can be exchanged for water, food, and cash at any market town on the way to Alexandria. Clearly (to me at least), the exodus story is a cover-up, an "official and politically correct version" of an account of escaping slaves, written much later.
The rod turning into a serpent may have its origins in the Hippocratic symbol used by the medical profession, two entwined snakes separating at the top of a rod. Like you I don't take the bible literally, but to simply divide your thinking into just two categories, "scientific" or "laughable" doesn't do justice to the knowledge we have. When dealing with twaddle, tommyrot, and balderdash, each has its own unique perspective from which much can be learned. In other words, rubbish can be prophetably recycled. Cheers, P.R.
@@philliprobinson7724 Honest question: If the book MEANT to read that the Hebrews were headed to the lighthouse yada yada -- why didn't it say that?
Why call a ship a camel?
The Hippocratic serpent on the rod originated in Greece so there's a big problem with the logistics of travel to get to your thoughts about it.
And yes, there are parts in the book that are quite laughable, such as a woman turning to salt, or 2 bears mauling a bunch of mischievous kids. What'd they do -- stand in line & wait?
Don't you think a book inspired by "The Word of God" should say what it means, for all time and for all people?
@@Sue-xv8os Hi Sue. A camel is called "the ship of the desert" because it carries goods across vast seas of sand to destinations that can only be reached by navigating by the stars.; just like ships!
Hippocrates? The early bible was written in Greek because it was universal language of scholarship back then. Naturally Greek concepts flowed like water wherever people sought knowledge. (Google "Rosetta stone")
Lot's wife turning to a pillar of salt refers to her trauma and bitterness at seeing all her friends and their children killed in a military operation against the city of Sodom.
The story of Elijah's bears is just a dramatic way of teaching kids not to make fun of others because of their personal appearance, there are always consequences.
HONESTY will be true for all time for all people, but it's the only moral concept that can be "nailed down" in simple concrete terms. (That's not a literal "nailed down".) All the more abstract ideas like love, humility, grace, etc, are better expressed in story-form. You are being too literal. Try reading poetry, it may give you another perspective. Cheers, P.R.
The WISDOM of MAN is NOTHING when saying there is NO GOD
1Corinthians 1:17-29)
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Religious gibberish
You done now?
Cali-guru ... Supports commies?
I dare you to watch the entire debate between WLC and Sam Harris. Harris loses the philosophical argument and resorts to poking holes in religion generically
Not atheist nations. Secular Nations more properly understood as lapsed Christian’s who continue to share our morals - refer to secularist historian Tom Holland’s Dominion
Baloney.
@@njhoepner Why conclude in your ignorance?
@@martinmoffat5417 Someone doesn't read, understand, or believe their bible. Which one is yours?
@@martinmoffat5417 No ignorance involved...your statement is pure baloney. The nations you mentioned have bypassed Christian "morality." That's why they're not burning witches, hunting down gay people, prosecuting blasphemy, and censoring their education systems any more.
10 minutes of atheism being DESTROYED as Sam Harris embarrasses himself.
All those countries he cites are Caucasian.
Yes, and they are the imperial core, AKA the countries benefitting from western imperialism.
Importantly, for his point, they have low religious adherence. So any argument that this leads to moral decline or a worse society is baseless.
@@damienschwass9354 Please, these countries are MUCH more evil than the countries that they plunder, such as India.
@@damienschwass9354 He literally showed the map of Christian expansion and influence. Cultures don't change over night and secularism originates from Christianity and proclaims all its virtues.
@@martinmoffat5417 nothing that you said contradicts the fact that most of the countries that score highly on standard of living indicators have low amounts of religious adherence in their population.
atheist societies are he most peaceful? really? Albania, Soviet Union, China, Vietnam? what he means is secular societies with freedom of religion
And look at religious societies and the crime, hate, etc….. and education is terrible, all to keep children dumbed down for religion. It’s disgusting!
Most in prison in America today are Christian’s! Seems like Christians do more evil for their gods.
Because political affiliation have nothing to do with that, right? Illiterate.
All of the countries you mentioned are much, much more peaceful than USA. And yes they are atheistic societies. As the world continues to drop religion(s), the world continues to become more peaceful. Fact.
Two of them are communist
And don't conflate atheism with communism.
0:09 “There can never be any morality without religion.”Classic atheism always posing the wrong straw questions despite this being developed by Aquinas and existing long before. The philosophical argument is that there can be no objective moral framework from which to discern good and evil that is binding on all things without a creator.
Morality imposed by a "creator" is by definition subjective, unless it is binding on that creator as well. Since the Abrahamic religions reject that notion, the morality they propose is subjective.
@@njhoepner Subjective is how you play the game. Objective is how the game is to be played. In this way objectivity is directly linked to design. If the universe was designed it follows that we are subject to the designers rules regardless as to whether we consider them moral or not. If on the other hand we are somehow born out of blind pitiless indifference then everything is permissible and nothing is truly good or evil but simply labels made up by those who wish to control you. This ideology binds us to the whims of those who hold power and there is no God to stop them. This ideology disproportionately empowers those who hold the seat of influence and is thus highly corruptible. As for me I will take my seat at the foot of mountain and receive the teaching of Jesus.
@@martinmoffat5417 Surely by religion you are not talking about the Abrahamic god of the bible?
@@martinmoffat5417 You're redefining what "objective" and "subjective" mean to suit your argument. An objective morality, by the actual definition, is a standard not based on the will of any being - it stands on its own and is binding on all beings. If it is merely the will of some being, including some creator, then it is subjective by definition. If it is merely the will of said being, then indeed "good or evil are simply labels," in this case "made up" by the being that wants to control you.
This being, of course, is a faith claim. The fact is that religions are human inventions, and the morals they preach are too. Their morality is therefore not only just as subjective as "secular" morality, it comes from the same source - it merely pretends to a higher source in order to reinforce the control attempt...and thus "disproportionately empowers" those clever enough to get themselves into the position of speaking for god or jesus or allah or whatever.
It is completely obvious that the universe is completely indifferent to life, including us. In the bronze age this was less obvious, given how small their concept of it was and how immediate their "gods" were, being earth-dwelling anthropomorphic entities who walked around in gardens and lived in temples (including "Yahweh"). This conception is no longer tenable...we are on our own and have to deal with that reality - and I think we can.
@@njhoepner This is really is not a hard concept.
A) The creator of soccer(football) determines that if you kick the ball in the opponents net you score one point. Whoever has more points at the end of 90 minutes wins. Simple
B) The creator of Mario Bros. determines that you run to the right, collect as many points as possible in the shortest time possible and jump on the tip of the flag to repeatedly beat each level and you win. Simple
Adherence to the design scores points and rejection only makes you look like a f00l until your time runs out or you get kicked off the team. Simple
Finding out that a scientist advising the president on scientific ethics believes and rationalizes such ridiculous and UTTERLY Amoral religious nonsense? That’s freaking HORRIFYING!
No, religion is pefectly rational.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite nice troll
@@Lordidude Nope.
🟪BREAKING NEWS.
Death is not the end of LIVING; death is the end of DYING, so get over it. Some advice to our brave, indefatigable and ambitious "wannabe" atheists:
A wise man has once said: "A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Matthew12:35-37MKJV).