Constellation Episode 8: Who’s Vladimir & How Is Space Jo Alive?
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- I know most of us were expecting answers from Constellation Episode 8, instead of more questions it left us with. I can see how this could be disappointing for some, but I actually enjoyed the new mysteries episode 8 presented us with and I already have theories & explanations for them. Who were the men Jo saw in the rehab facility? What is the meaning of Jo’s ultrasound? What happened to Jo’s left eye? Let’s take a look at these questions and more!
00:00 Intro
01:17 Jo's New Baby
02:17 The Old Men & Jo's Eye
04:24 Jo
05:09 Timeline & Other Important Details
06:50 Overall Review
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More Constellation episode breakdowns: • Constellation - Фільми й анімація
Hi everyone. The confusing dates were indeed errors, the creator of the show confirmed on an Instagram comment: "It takes place in 2021 and if there are any other dates on the screens then it’s a little mistake made very late at night by one of our incredibly hard working FX crew. Apologies!" Thought I would let you know!
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Thanks for the clarifying update!
Your right eye vs left eye theory is brilliant! I totally agree with it. I completely missed the pupil clue! Additionally, when she was being wheeled in on the stretcher, and saw the dead Irena, she sees her on her left side!
Good observation; I missed that. Now I want to go back to the episode & see that detail.
Thank you! Oh yeah she was on the left side!! I'll watch the episode again maybe there was something else I missed 🤔
AGREE!! I’ve watched at least eight recap videos and you’re the only one I saw to bring this up. Amazing. Good job.!!!!
Jo's womb is now Schrodinger's box! 😊 The baby is in superposition!
Did you read another reviewer's comment that the ultrasound date is 2010 ? Another curiosity that doesn't make sense to me. The channel host thinks it's an editing error.
I only think it's an editing error because I don't have any other idea how that could be possible 🤷♀️
Completely agree on Jo’s eye. We didn’t think it was dead/blind, that she somehow took on Blue Jo’s eye. But I think extending that into her seeing into both universes is absolutely correct. Great pickup!
Thank you!!
it would be criminal if they don't renew this
Leave it be. I was happy with the ending.
@@billbaggins1688 it clearly did not end. Henry does not belong in jail. Bud does belong in jail.
And that's without even getting into Red Jo and Red Alice not reuniting.
there is no closure and no conclusion to the story yet.
It would be criminal if they renew this.
@@rajeshranjan3199 why didn't you like it?
I like the eye theory 🤔 and since the cal is no longer in play maybe along with the pregnancy (baby being from both realities) she is actually Able to look into both realities. I would like to think there is a reason for the many different dates and time jumps rather than just a continuity error.
But I strongly think there is something special about Alice
Both Alices are very special girls - problem solvers - willing to look more deeply - devoted to family. I love them both!
Another terrific analysis video.
Your videos on this show are the best- thank you for helping us detangle everything!
Wow, thank you!
I very much enjoyed episode 8 & give Constellation a 9/10 rating. I support your theory about Jo's ability to see both realities, e.g. the deranged astronaut upstairs. It hadn't occurred to me that her left eye was still serving a purpose. Thanks for that insight! Seeing the mirror images, in the same room, of Blue Alice's & Red Alice's wardrobes was a revealing effect that the wardrobe conversations were happening at the same time. This is also true for Magnus sitting before his therapist. We see him as a double with different clothing, & he says "It feels like we're all floating in space." I was pleased to see Irena's understanding help to Jo, encouraging her to live because what's been done can't be undone. I don't know if that's completely true, but now Jo sees the wisdom in taking the pills so she can return home to Magnus & Alice with a baby in her womb. To me, both Alices are adorable. I loved Blue Alice's calm honesty with Jo - I need a mummy & Jo's reply that she needs an Alice. That was beautiful! At the end, Irena's conversation with Alice, on the stairs, revealed 2 details: friends call her Valya, which Alice quietly processed AND "down the rabbit hole with you, Alice." Alice will bear the task of sorting through whatever transpires in season 2.
I kind of got the impression that Jo won't try to return to her original world. But maybe if she learns new information she may think she has a chance.
@@thenextseason I have the same impression - no returning to her previous self. Jo will conform. Did I mislead with what I first wrote?
@@thenextseason If Jo tries to return to her original world, she's dead and the other Jo alive again.
I think Jo will try to return to her original Alice at some point. Mostly because of the "moral" or "message" of the story. If Jo remains in the wrong universe, the message we are left with is that people are interchangeable. Like Jo said to Alice," ... and I need an Alice..." She's saying she needs AN Alice, but I think over time she will miss HER Alice. A person's counterpart isn't them. Even, like we learned with Bud/ Henry though they have the same DNA. Our experiences make us different. And I think Jo is going to be haunted by that.
The shining star in this story is Alice. Jo realizes she’s unable to return to the family she knew, so she will accept the Magnus & Alice she’s able to share life with, even though memories are different. Together they will face life’s offerings. It seems the story writer is playing with the possibilities of the entanglement theory. I read that a 2022 Nobel prize was given to several physicists for their research on entanglement.
You're really the best at this, Great breakdowns!!!!!
Thank you so much 😊
You are right on! Glad to find your channel
Thanks
My pleasure!!
The biggest problem I have is when Jo hits the window, there's no way glass in a space station would break so easily with her face and make a bullet hole. And sticking a baby wipe would prevent the leak??? A normal person in danger would use his or her hands and arms to protect themselves. I'm more on the side of Jo going through a mental breakdown because she's unhappy with her life and is imagining the whole parallel universe and how she believes that her family is in a different world yet there's nothing really that different about them. I noticed her claiming she now plays the piano but she never plays for anyone to prove it. I have a friend who goes through this similar mental state where she believes she can play the guitar, but can't and makes strange excuses. She gets this way when she uses meth and goes into psychosis. She'll think her mom is a replacement mom, and someone replaced her body parts with someone else's. No matter how I explain reality with logic, she will keep changing her narrative to perpetuate her delusions.
Great video and take on Jo's left eye as a window into the other dimension. Episode 8 was frustrating to watch but I really enjoyed the show.
My issue with Jo smacking up against the glass and dying is the fact that it would take a full grown silverback gorilla charging at full speed to maybe just maybe put a crack in that glass...but hey. Other than that I thoroughly enjoyed the show and I thought that Rosie and Davina were awesome. Which Paul is it?
The hole was already there and why she got sucked there so hard. There wasn't gravity to make her fall. Just too bad she did get pulled ass first
Bud decided to give him his flowers while he was still alive. Diabolical
Great video!
Smart take on the episode!
Thank you!!
Great theory and analysis. Really has me thinking
Awesome video, thanks! I wonder, when did Jo's ability to simultaneously see both universes started? Because she never had it before. Was it because of the electroshocks that the received? Also, check out the date on the ultrasound - it's 01-02-2010, which in Russia would be February 1st, 2010...
Perhaps it is because the man is in the same state as her of alternating between universes. Just like her daughter who can see the other version of her and her mother who are in the blue Universe. Or the scene from a previous episode in which Herry sees from his office two Alices on the street, entering the garage one after the other, where one Alice sees how the other throws the stuffed animal to the ground and steps on it in the puddle.
Another reviewer, on another channel, had the same observation. My vision is too blurry to see the date. So what does that mean exactly? That's an 11 year difference - Alice's age.
Thanks for your comment. I didn't notice that date, to be honest. And it doesn't make sense at all. I'm starting to think that's a continuity error too. What other explanation could there be?
@@thenextseason Well, an explanation would be that Russian nuns are not good at working out the settings on that machine :)
Did we see the cabin scenes from previous episodes? Where Jo tried to put Alice in warm water n then runs off to save other Alice. She was seeing all this the day she returned home I think.
I am even more confused after the finale! The main problem is not knowing if certain things are Easter eggs or continuity issues! The date on Jo’s ultra sound was 2020! The car in the “blue” universe has been a Volvo, but when Magnus goes to the sanitarium it is a VW Passat. Jo somehow has different clothes on when speaking to Magnus about the baby than she did when she spoke with Alice even though it’s supposedly mins later. I find it hard to believe that the show runners would have this many continuity issues so what is going on? I really really hope there is a season 2 because there is so much left unanswered!
My vision is too blurry to be sure, but others state the ultrasound has a 2010 date. I hadn't noticed the different car makes, but I did spot Jo's different clothing during the same Magnus/Alice visit. Outside the facility she's wearing what we've been seeing on her, & then inside, magically, she has on a different outfit. I didn't notice change with Magnus' clothing, but now I'm wondering. I love this series, as there's so much to decipher from shifting realities to who's who. I re-watch the episodes several times to see the changes & catch what other reviewers noticed.
You need to watch this show with a pad and pencil connecting all the dots as it progresses. Or the "Normal" persons corkboard with red yarn.
I work at a hospital operation theatre as a nurse and in isolated places or old almost run down government hospitals, staff including me aren't told to or compelled to keep the time and date up to date on machine's like these@@kristineclevenger6705
Enjoyed Constellation's debut season even though a lot of the universe swapping flies right over my head & take multiple watches to pick up all the finer details.
That's normal. I had to rewatch certain episodes understand some stuff
That was a good breakdown and explains most of the things, yes I agree with you that there is time dilation between both universes.
Irene the director is coming to terms that her counterpart was killed in the alternate universe, she has been giving the astronaut lithium to keep their sanity presuming if they go into space it affecting their minds losing control of reality., She has a Eureka moment when she sees the ultrasound of the the fetus Image showing two overlapping BEC's connecting the CAL experiment. Joe when she goes upstairs and sees the first astronaut and his counterpart, is because the fetus BEC's is allowing her to see them, you have to remember that the CAL has been destroyed. And Henry thinks he can prove his innocence because he thinks he has traded places with this counterpart in a mirror universe showing a left hand helix., He does not realize that they switch consciousness, and not physically trading places with a mirror universe, thus reflecting a DNA of a right hand helix. Joe's counterpart was left on the ISS because she was dead I don't know why they even showed her holding the tablet., and how they're going to bring her back to life in the next season.
From the very first episode the mirror universe was implied from the moment you saw Buds reflection. My first thought was this reminds me of Fringe (very good series if you’re interested, also has the concept of a mirror universe.)
Another commenter also recommended Fringe and it's on my watch list. I'll definitely watch it soon!!
Holy smokes, i didn't catch the pupil reaction to light. Thats super interesting!
I'm ok with questions being left unanswered as long as we get a Season 2.
Fingers crossed
Agreed! Questions left unanswered is fine.
Mirrored realities: based on this 0:17, it looks like my theory that the gas and brake pedals are reversed/mirrored in the Blue universe is correct (a comment I made on your last video. 😊 :
In ep. 7, when Jo slams on the brakes while driving on the lake (at 32:56), they show a closeup of her stomping in the right pedal. That's the accelerator, not the brake pedal, at least in our universe.
I would have never noticed that myself lol. Great catch!
How are there 3 (or 4) tape players!!? Bud/Henry finds one in the car and they don't show him putting it back. We also saw one burn/melt. Then at the end, each Alice still had theirs.
Yes, curious indeed. They are each in different realities, & we saw 1 tape player melt in the fire.
I think there are only 2? The burnt one was in a blue liminal space. The one that blonged to the real blue reality, Jo found it and left it in her car. Bud used that in episode 8. I assumed when he left it there, it must have been returned to Magnus & Alice with their other belongings. The one in the red reality was safe anyway. And Red Alice used that one
anyone noticed how jo shed tears one eye at a time?
Here goes my theory: At some point in history, there was a divergence in the universe. The original timeline (the 3rd timeline where we saw JO and both Alice "meet") created 2 separate timelines. The reason for that is unknown at this moment. However, I presume that at some point (if this tv show will be continued) we will get more info about the 3rd timeline (the original one). Also, bear in mind, at some point in the show, Jo explained that time moves different for someone in space compared to someone that lives on earth. So, maybe, the answer is that sending Laika into space, made the Universe split into 3 timelines, and from that point onwards, there are crossings between them
I like your “eye” theory.
I love your reviews....have you done one on the TV show SEVERANCE
No I haven't but I'm planning on doing for Season 2. I watched season 1 though and it became one of my favorite shows ever!!
I like your ideas. I think they are hinting that there is a third universe. One red, one blue, and one that is in between the two. Henry said as much in one of the early episodes.
Love how people took a date off a screen and ran with it
Your reallt smart, i actuslly have a degree in film studies and i missed the eye thing, odds are your correct
I bet season 2 will prove you right
Thank you :)
OMG!! So that is what happened in the end?? So there is a way to get back. Joan will not be able to get back however because then she will return to a body that is completely disfigured. This is great
Nooni Baby. Because of you I watched the whole 8 episodes. Have not understood S.
I understand where you're coming from. She's gorgeous.
I agree that Jo can see both realities, but there is only one Jo in one. That means that she must also be able to interact with other realities to see inside the other reality room
The time isn't a editing mistake and it's hinted at very early on. When she getting the batteries things go crazy and when back on the station she says i lost time.
If in one reality Joe is dead ( presume dead left in space) and other reality she is alive, but in the father is not in shock to bring his daughter to see her (dead mother) in both reality Magnus isn’t surprised to see his wife. Even if she is suppose to be dead .
I guess the show runners are saying there are only 2 "universes", but that doesn't seem right, based on their own premise of the Observer Effect. There should be one that is Black, One that is white and one where it is both Black and White. It seems like most of the Black and White universes happen at the cabin, but not all. Like when Alice is talking to Alice, that is the Universe where it's both Black and White. My question is who is the observer that is effecting the outcome? Is it us the viewers of the show, or the characters in the show?
Quantum mechanics and its paradoxes, are beyond intuitive understanding. (The math works so we can use it. ) i didnt think it worked as a plot device. There are no rules, anything possible, and nothing will ever be resolved since it cant be understood etc. Does anyone else here get what i mean?
I understand you're saying but I think the show will create some in-universe rules about how all of this works there
Somehow I feel suspicious about the “timeline” theory that u have mentioned. My guess is time somehow stopped in one of the universe, so they stuck in 2021/2020. I’ve noticed that too when Paul talked about ‘the 9 years old girls’ with his daughter Wendy. I’ve always been bad at physics in school but my education in filmmaking makes me think we saw an anomaly like in one universe only people can move freely (3rd dimension) but time never, like something is weird with the 4th dimension (time). ‘Uni A Jo’ is not a timetraveller but came back to a ‘stucked’ reality. Alice can see the Valya corpse bc of it can exist regardless of time and 3D, and it speaks bc of the liminal space and observation effect. In earlier episodes Irena talks about how she always dreams of orbiting to Earth/floating in space. Time stopped for her too in the parallel universe. 🤓🤯🤔
You might be right but I'm not sure at all. All the time differences could be the most confusing thing about this series. I don't know if they did it intentionally and there's meaning behind it somehow or is it an error? I'm not sure. I have to watch the entire season perhaps to fully understand everything
Amazing insights! I thought I got everything by myself but no. However I wonder about Bud and Henry exchange. It seems this time they exchanged only conciousness through universes and no physical bodies somehow. Even the DNA remains the same (Henry asked the FBI). Maybe it's possible that they identical DNA but that doesn't make sense. The clothes remained the same during the exchange too.
Yeah, I think it's only the consciousness
Yes. I understand what you mean. I understand quantum entanglement.
So if there are only 2 worlds, last episode shows one of the tape players melting in the cabin fire. But this episode shows 2 tape players existing since red Alice try to communicate with blue Alice.
2 worlds plus a liminal space where we saw people and objects from both worlds can coexist at the same. I gave this explanation in another comment. I'm not 100% sure about it but here's what I think: the burnt tape recorder was in the blue liminal space. The one that belonged to the real blue reality, Jo found it and left it in her car. Bud used that in episode 8. I assumed when he left it there, it must have been returned to Magnus & Alice with their other belongings. The one in the red reality was safe anyway. And Red Alice used that one.
@@thenextseason I thought about that but wasn’t the cabin in the liminal space not on fire?
I have to go rewatch the episode now 😂
Just finished the series and was underwhelmed. Severance was much better. More interested in Severance season two than Constellation. Just my two cents. Thanks for the recap.
How come nobody takks about why Alice sees her counterpart and also other participants (like dead astronaut?) - she wasn’t in space… was it because she observed the realities split?
The ultrasound machine does say 2010 (01/02/10). Hopefully that's a continuity error.
Yeah that was really confusing
@@thenextseason 1 wonder if they were in 2010 and that was Alice ultrasound (she is 10 or 11 in 2021) and now they are2 Alice's so both Jo and Alie slipped realities Idont know just a random thought
I think that the daughter(s) are dquantumly entangled and that although Jo is trying to make peace with the daughter in this reality she will continually be 'haunted by her original daughter.Can there be a transference between daughters>. They were abole to change realities at the funerals. so itis possible. This show is so wonderfully confusing!
This liminal space could be right, but I'm sure that on episode 7 and 8, Joan and her husband try to find their different daughters and they are not in any of the houses while they are talking on the recorder. At that time there were 4 different realities.
LoL, left eye . Nope, she saw them with both eyes, and the pain wasn't till after the electric shock treatment
How Bud was able to switch his relaoties but not Jo or Irena or Paul.
Will others be able to switch their relaties like Bud did but how he achieved that?
Death. He probably froze to death on the ice lake which caused him to swap, same thing with Paul. He got shot, died for a short time and his body was "inhabited" by the mirrored version - hence him looking at his arms with that scared expression on his face, he lost it in space. It appears that if you die, your "self" gets replaced with the dead version from the mirrored version.
I would say heightened emotional state & approximity to death have to do with it
@@thenextseason So what was the CAL for?
How did Alice get involved with the liminal space? Everyone that was affected by it, went to space. She is the only one from Earth who can see glimpses of both universes.
Some say it was probably because she saw the CAL device while talking to her mother through the video call. Maybe there's another reason we don't know yet
Her teacher says she is 10 which is a liminal age. I thought maybe that was the explanation
Work of art, cancelled. Wasn’t reaching high enough viewership to satisfy Apple executives.
How did Paul swap? If his doppelganger was dead?
I don't think your counterpart is %100 dead as long as you're alive. That would be my explanation.
Well to me, a liminal space would be a 3rd reality .. I mean, it's not reality red or reality Blue it's something else....a Shrodinger cat timeline ...imo?
That's one way to look at it :)
What If...! _The First Cosmonaut_ Is Jo's Son??
Calling Her Mumma? Not Just Multiverse But Time travel too
What If Jo's Twin Have The Same Capability Similar Or Greater Than That Of CAL Machine. What If They Can Travel Through Universes!
I Want Jo To Reach Her Own Alice.
So you're sure that Paul is now the dead Paul living again and the other one is dead?
That's what I got from that short scene of his
@@thenextseason Yeah, maybe.
Thanks for the analysis, I had missed the detail of Jo´s pupil not contracting with the light. For me, it has been a very disappointing finale leaving many questions answered. The series remain me of shows like Lost, From or Raised by Wolves, that keep raising new riddles and questions but leave plots unsolved. There are several details that have been left uncommented:
1) the "retired police officer" to whom Bud Caldera brings flowers; my guess is that this man is Bud´s love in his own past while, in Blue-car-universe Henry Caldera is predominantly heterosexual.
2) t is not also clear why Jo from Red-car-universe can play the piano if she still does not have the consciousness of Blue-car-universe Jo.
3) Why do the two Alice can send messages to each other (and understand those messages) through the FisherPrice recorder if the CAL has been destroyed?
It seems that the Jo left in the International Space Station epitomises herself Schrödinger´s paradox as she is dead and alive at the same time? The final scene somehow infers that Dead-and-Alive Jo is the one who helped Paul and Red-Car-universe Jo to go back to Earth
The retired police officer was the conspiracy theorist Bud threw off the ship in the other universe. I don't think there's anything more than that
I hope it never get season 2.
Eye doesn't make sense.... She couldn't see Alice in the mirror...
Whole season makes no sense...
1. How does Alice know how to record with tapes in 2021... She's only 9 she doesn't even know what a tape is??
Will dead Jo and dead Irena join forces?
2. The tape player burned up in the fire . How did she get a new one????!
The show does not make sense, and a lot of it is continuity issues or plot holes. However:
1. It's a children's toy, she's obviously been messing around with it since she was a toddler, so the concept of how to use and record a cassette is perfectly feasible.
2. There is our reality, in which Jo was launched into space. There is a second reality, in which Joe returned to earth. And there is the superpositional state. Where both those realities are one and the same. This is the between, or liminal space they have been talking about. Jo, as we follow her, is predominately experiencing the second reality (with the blue car and the wrong Alice). But now and then she gets a peek into her original reality. And sometimes, as when she grabbed the disembodied arm, and saw the uninjured Paul, she experiences both at once.
People coming back from space seem to be experiencing 2 states of being and a 3rd which is a combination of the two. The CAL could have somehow broken reality entirely and therefore this also explains Irena. Or it has nothing to do with the CAL at all. More likely: it's sloppy writing.
Unless it is based on a finished book, don't continue for more. Otherwise it will be a trash show like all other American shows out of greedy
We are far from DARK with this show, it may end like LOST, the end is not clearly already written.
Even the last episode was too much
The two fetuses. One is in each universe. Twins are born a few minutes apart. One is born in one universe then later one is born in the other. The second will be born without a mother. It’s a play on immaculate conception. The father will receive the baby. Maybe the embryo is in the kissed school teacher.
What....
The intro of this video was pointless if you've even tried to watch the show.
You'd be surprised how many people didn't pick up on what was really going on. I think some needed to hear it as a confirmation even if you, personally, didn't.
I miss details often, so some repetition helps. Plus there’s lots to process. My daughter retains information far better than I do, & you must have good retention also. Lucky you!
The narrator's voice cuts like a knife. Extremely unpleasant.