The Newbie's Guide to Tactics Ogre Remake
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2021
- Come for the Story, stay for the mechanics!
One of the best SRPGs ever is also..one of the most unexplained in-game. To be fair, how the hell do you explain all of this without it being a player's handbook?
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I am glad that with Tactics Ogre Reborn, more people are aware of this incredible franchise!
I've always thought this game has possibly the most aesthetically pleasing menu design and character portrait art of any game. You'll be spending a LOT of time in menus in TO, but it's just so damn good looking. Really makes me want to replay. I beat the game about 7-8 years ago but never did the extra 100 floor dungeon or whatever it was
True, it's absolutely gorgeous. It's really worth revisiting, plus we have an overhaul mod these days
I haven't played Tactics Ogre since the 1990's and I just got my physical copy of Reborn. I really needed a refresher course before jumping in and this one is great. Thank you!
A couple hours into the game (I just got my first necromancer and enchantress) and I'm already looking up strategy guides...
So much to learn.
FFT was fun, and I put hundreds of hours into it. I put a lot of time into the Disgea series as well.
I never knew much about Tactics Ogre except that it had a perma-death feature that was unfun, so I avoided it.
Well, that just made it so that years later I would still have an old school tactics game to throw myself into, but my god, Tactics Ogre is next level.
Really enjoying it. It makes long rides on the subway between the Bronx and Brooklyn pass by in no time at all.
God Bless emulators. To play such a beast of a game for free is truly a blessing.
Stuff I missed that You should know:
-Chapter 2 unlocks Crafting. Shields and Helmets are useful all game, even the most basic ones. Especially the debuff immunities from Shields.
-Monster units can work as ladders.
-Shield bashing can kill any non-heavy unit not using Steadfast instantly if used on a cliff.
-Daggers, Bows, and 1h Katanas are notably better at scaling sooner, but can be a pain to get ahold of/have weird late game drawbacks.
-Leather+1 is some of your best light unit gear until Brigandine
-Upgraded Shortbows have a Stun Chance
-Blowguns are insanely good utility items, even if you don't have the skill for them.
-Thrown is really strong, but expensive to use.
-Select menu lets you get more details on just about everything. Including what racial type someone is to recruit them.
-No unit, even with max stats, is ever in god mode. The Solo of this game was pretty dang tense. (ua-cam.com/video/MCuaJ3aSuts/v-deo.html)
-Read the Warren Report. New stories unlock new events, maps, and more.
-Units all have a Steal Table, based on Steal Rank. You eventually run out of items to steam from a unit, but they always spawn with a pile of potential stealables that always have a classmark and usually a bunch of random consumables or crafting materials.
Can a unit master both parry and deflect at the same time and become the vanguard of the team? give the enemy does not have overpower skill.
@@SatiZakito Nope, they're exclusive.
What are the benefits of training cudgels to level 8? a mage it's never gonna go melee because it's a death sentence.
Or does it level up magic?
@@SatiZakito It can allow the mage to use their stick to a surprising degree of power. While it doesn't boost magic, the magic boosts the stick. It depends might be the better answer. Let's say we have a team of two clerics sparring with their staves for 1 damage while they have no MP available. They to chapter 4 with this, and they likely have 3 Cudgels, 4-5 Aug light. They get a Restoration Staff, suddenly they are benefiting from both, being able to do solid melee damage from this light scaling staff, which also happens to come with a solid free heal move. Suddenly their options have expanded a lot. Their first finisher also scales light, meaning with TP+, they're going to have a solid nuke move available if they need it.
@@CoffeePotato well that explains a lot, if I get the restoration staff I will make them go *BO NK* on each other heads for a nice finisher, thanks bro.
For anyone that is interested in this channel, Coffee Potato is reporting news about Tactics Ogre Reborn as well as several analysis on the classes and other interesting stuff!
Oh my god I’ve tried playing through this game like 5 times and I always fell off because I was trying to play it like FFT. The archer bit was exactly what I did. I used a full party of them to reach Chapter 4 because I wanted to see the story, only to get stuck. This video is so helpful I’m really excited to give this game another shot and actually enjoy it.
I'm glad to help, and no worries man, I did the same thing for ages...but something just stuck there in the back of my head like "hey, dipstick, you missed something, do it better!" 🤣
Also new players need to know that your level is very important. For example, you are too high level you will miss out on certain very good spells, rare crafting material, and equipment. And if you are too low level you will not be prevented from getting them. As a general rule, you want to start your adventure at around level 13 and you need to be 25 (no higher) by the time you reach the hanging gardens. It can also be helpful to do the ancient temples at level 30 to yield a more useful drops of the recipes. However you MUST be at least level 40(many will argue 38) to see the very first forbidden magik spell from either the lich guarding the water temple or after you turn down Xapan when he asks to join you in law path. Each of these level requirements puts you in very tough and sometimes annoying position of having to give up or avoid certain battles. Most new players learn very fast that all you need to do to win every battle easily is enter at a much higher level. This can lock you out of the good stuff if you are too high.
True, but I'd say that's more something to come back to. Most folks I've talked to ended the game around 20-25, and that's a pretty consistently good spot to be at. A lot of things here are good to know, but you're not meant to know it all. Sometimes it's good to just let stuff happen.
FYI The Reviews of Tactics Ogre Reborn are already available! Most of them are very positive.
Long time Tactics Ogre player with advice for beginning players: make Denam into a Rune Fencer I find it is the best class Path for him until you get Warlock classmarks then go down the Warlock tree, it balances your Physical attacks and Magic attacks which is optimal for Denam’s special class the Lord
True there, plus he's got a good selection of good support loadouts.
@@CoffeePotato I love this game so much, I love the Ogre Battle Saga games in general. Most people grew up on Pokémon, Mario, Zelda etc. I grew up on Ogre Battle and Dragon Quest
@@dynastygirl2912 It's always great to know others also grew up with Ogre games. They're a really fascinating series
My Denam started as a humble footsoldier, but the enemy always run away from him and he wasted turns running after them.
Then he was a Soldier with sword and ballesta to shot the cowards.
Then he was a Ninja, made of butter.
Then he was a Ninja with dual wield and ninjutsu status, and still made of butter but with fortify II.
Now on chapter 4 trying to kill all that comes his way, even if he becomes a lord the ninja class was leveled enough so another dude can take his place.
Bottom-line, everything can be good if you stick to it and power it up as you go you will never be OP since the enemies scale levels along with you.
@@SatiZakito Dang right
I just recently bought another psp and can’t wait to play this game. I played this on PlayStation years ago, so I have a basic understanding of the mechanics. I was only 14 when I last played it, so I know I’ll be a little lost. This is such a great video.
So many people just assume to max everything for every character, but that would take years so accomplish! As I stated above, great video!!
Glad to entertain, and yeah, it's incredible how many gears are spinning in the background with this game. It's why I usually try to explain to folks that it's more DnD than FFT, which the One Vision mod has definitely emphasized better for returning players.
Great video man! Very well explained!
Thanks man!
I still just play the ps1 version, definitely looking forward to this one.
Played this before any other tactics game besides front mission loved it
Ty for such an open minded guide. Extremely in depth too. Ty for doing the math in a practical manner. I thoroughly enjoy challenge runs based on immersion. Some ch I won't even max 10 skills in. This sort of guide is beautiful. Ty!
Thank You, I'm glad to help!
@@CoffeePotato I have a question on getting ozma, I am in post game, have a hoybrim max loyalty, did what all the wikis said even set myself up to get Sherri and nada! Read rift in the dark knights, fought hagia, and went beeline for the town no fight! My guess is you can't kill oz at the fort? I put ozma to redline hp and instead of running she went nuts.
@@brianjohnson5272 I'm not sure if you left this out ..but did you World back to mid chapter 4? You go there right after she gets told off.
@@CoffeePotato thanks
@@CoffeePotato no I didn't. It say anytime b4 castle barnicia post hagia.
nicely done :) thank you for making this video
Also new players need to understand that there are 3 classes in the game that NO CHARACTER with a warren report entry can EVER become: zombie, ghost, and angel. They cannot be skeletons either but it's difficult to call skeleton a class because it's really more of a precursor to other things like angel and scavenge. This means if you've been growing your main character as a valkyrie/rune fencer or if you've been really spending a lot of time working on Presence/Donnalto or one of the sisters, you may feel deeply frustrated or saddened to discover that none of them can ever become a ghost or angel or even zombie. However, yes, most of them can become lich, even your main.
Great video, this really helps.
Thank You!
I _love_ how hard the sprites go with their jogging in place with a speed buff on. It'd be great if fighting on a carpet inside had a chance to shoot lightning if a character's speed was buffed.
I haven't finished Stick of Truth, but if they didn't do it, I'd be surprised.
Are you suggesting 'Static Shock' attacks? 😂
Character: - jog jog jog jog jog -
Enemy: 'Dog! What are you doing to Milord's royal throw rugs? How dare you!'
Character: points at enemy
Enemy: 'You know no magic, you fool!'
Character: 'You are correct. You're also dead.'
* Crackow! *
Enemy: reduced to a small pile of ashes
Character: 'I felt like the Emperor from Star Wars for a second.'
Love the vid, want to comment on some of your comments.
One of the most important things I can suggest is that everyone gravitates towards knights. Big tanky units that even limit enemy movements. They are some of the BEST units to spam debuff items, good lord spam them. Especially the tarot cards.
Exorcism scrolls are actually godly; why put your cleric in danger when anybody can exorcise?
Archers may be OP, but if you rely on them, like you said, they get screwed post-game.
Rock throw only run was actually hilarious to see, love it.
“This is like a 600 hour game” put a huge grin on my face; I still have save files on my psp from high school.
“The AI doesn’t know how to target (barricades or shadows)” I’m thinking Reborn might have changed that, saw they were “revamping” the AI. Can’t wait for archers to target only protect targets, am I right?
Wizard gets Lizard has gotta be a pun. My wizard was named Gizzard, btw.
And of course you had to rile me up with the damn virtuous dance at the end, those fairies have caused SO much grief. Holy crap.
Thanks again for the video, always fun seeing other people’s perspectives
Nice 👌 now I feel like I'm ready to dive in
Glad to help!
this video came up on my recommendations and I'm def going to go play this now :) I was a really big fan of ff tactics
Glad to help! It's the same folks that made it, this was kind of the next evolution of those ideas, just expect things to work differently.
This is a story of a man who lost his love and now on his way to tear that heaven's gate.
Ends up writing a self help book down the road "What to do with your new promotion when your girlfriend leaves you for a demonic entity. "
@@CoffeePotato "I should have sacrificed Cybil, goddammit I took the wrong route"
Can you do a guide on choosing which generics to recruit, how rerolling stats in the shop works, etc? :)
Good idea, will do!
Commenting just to boost the algorithm on this video.
...and Bingo was his name-O
bookmarking this one since i've always struggled to get start in this game + never made it past the first few maps
Glad to help, there's a ton to love in this game, whichever version you play.
Also new players need to understand that you get more money from selling your items to the shop directly. If you sell it yourself from the menu or if you have too many of an item and it gets automatically sold at the end of a battle then the profit from the sales is actually lower. The oberyth coins are supposed to be sold EXCEPT for the silver ones. I personally keep around 50 silver oberyths but you prob only need around 30.
Or, realistically, maybe 5 silvers. Most folks don't lose more than 1-2 on accident, and sacrifice a few more before forgetting about the mechanic. The funny thing is that they actually let you use the half sale mechanic from the inventory for ..some reason. For the life of me, I can't think of when you'd ever need to emergency sell things at half cost that would also allow you to buy things and not sell, but who knows, maybe that's a thing somewhere. It's probably there as a junk toss option that they wanted to use as an overflow mechanic, if I were to guess.
Wew. So I never gave the game a real chance because when I got my PSP I was fortunate enough to get a lot of games with it, including, you guessed it, FFT:WotL.
It was one or the other for me, and being a FF fan the choice was obvious. After a while though, WotL lost me. Not only was there the slowdown bug, but even after I fixed that I remembered back to my days playing Knights of Lodis.
FFTA was my first game in the genre. Fell in love with that, never really got into 2, though I may one day. It was fun and free spirited for most of it, and I enjoyed the mission system and such. There was basically a lot that was in FFTA that wasn't in WotL, for obvious reasons, but it still felt like everything was always an equipment check. "Have I got the best gear I can for every character so I don't get squashed or spend 10 turns huddled around a boss hoping he won't crit me?".
I got into LUCT not even two weeks ago. I installed OV, hesitant of putting my trust of balancing into the hands of some random individual over a company. I can only take what you and others say for the balancing, but it feels hard. In the best way though, I love the challenge.
FFTA was just "Alright Marche can go attack as always, White Mage use Protect and Shell, Montblanc get the hell outta my party." It was pretty brainless though I didn't try any post-game stuff.
My first attempt at LUCT I messed up. I expected ease, so I spent probably half my starting gold playing army simulator, hiring a bunch of units that I'd never make use of, struggling to have much impact in the fights, and then getting bored of how slow they were.
This time round though, being more invested, maybe because of the OV changes (I definitely have to keep an eye on who can use what in terms of skills, equipment, spells which keeps me engaged), I'm having a blast! I LOVE having to focus on every move I make, I love how random battles scale to your level, I love the branching story knowing there's so much left to play. I'm only halfway through CH2C and I've got so many classes I haven't even tried yet or invested in that I'm excited to try out. I've watched so many of your videos now, while trying to avoid spoilers, and there's so many mechanics.
You gave some advice, I believe in this one, about using consumables to turn the tide, and it worked so well. I still didn't feel overpowered, I don't want to feel that way, but it felt like such a more effective use of the first few turns, rather than just walking towards the opponent. From there I had to play keepaway with my buffed units, slowing and stunning the enemies that had Dispel and such. Moving the right units towards the right targets, backing them up correctly, even Phalanx adds so much depth and changes the way I can play a map.
I'm not even used to the weapons yet, not sure of what to use against what. A Hammer Knight seemed good to walk around stunning people, but the hammers he can use seem really limited where I am right now. Just got a few Rogue class marks, so I'll get a couple of those soon to level alongside the one you get early. Under-estimated how useful they would be considering enemies in random battles can have such good equipment and such to steal.
Anyway, thanks for all your videos and work. Real glad you're around to keep these games being discussed and such. If you ever needed help with videos, let me know. Been learning editing myself recently and am up for experiences. Other than that just keep up the great discussions, the longer the better!
I love hearing stories like these, it's wild to see how much this series affected folks in different ways, and that's one of the reasons for the channel. I'll have more uploaded when I can, between moving, a big family Christmas thing, and going on 4 back to back illnesses here, there has been no time.
My experience with TO started like mudwrestling.
Then I learned to read the turns and how the AI behaves, and to give it bait to keep strong characters pushing forward.
Then I learned difference between slash, pierce and impact damage.
Then I learned grinding was not the right way.
Then I learned field alchemy is king fug the cleric, I mean revive spell 100mp? in the middle of a battle where we are struggling to survive? and earn like 5 mp per turn? what a joke.
True, but that's the crazy thing about this weird as hell system. You could technically go Clarity and Efficacy, combine with MP boosting gear to effectively reduce the cost to 60, and start generating 30 per round. Anything can be good, It's just a matter of how.
@@CoffeePotato I gave the cleric a slingshot and alchemy its so much fun to use him to throw items to units and foes alike instead of wasting MP he doesn't have.
@@SatiZakito Also works. Funnily enough it was thought shots scaled off of nothing for a while. Turns out the one thing that can power them up, defense wrecks aside, is Prevailing Element.
One of your arguments for weapon diversity kind of reminds me of Shining Force. Centaur knights are amazing at everything and you find lots of them. The problem is that you can only find two endgame weapons for them, so if they're most of your team then a lot of them will be under equipped at the end. Also, some endgame weapons of other types will probably be wasted. Is that the sort of thing you're talking about?
Yeah, it's pretty much exactly the same scenario. The only difference is that while you technically can get more in most cases (you'll only get one of the super awesome ones, like the Ji'Glya set), you never know what you'll get for sure, and it can be really annoying to try and get a specific thing to show up. I think I showed it somewhere, but the Culnicrolonne, culinarynomicon or whatever the spelling for the unihorn spear is...will spawn regularly on enemies, but on a one class challenge years ago, it took me almost a day to get one. This isn't always the case, but it's safe to assume that you won't get what you want...but if you try real hard, you'll get what you need. 😆
To be fair guides for beginners is still nice for people experienced players as a refresher course.
Another way to deal with a golem is to just get the game to have the golem kill itself, yes this has happened to me.
Very true. Swamp tiles are a hell of a drug. Also their boulders can knock each other off of cliffs, I'd assume it was one of those.
@@CoffeePotato wow forgot to respond to this until I watched again because why not. Anyways it was a golem in PotD who drops the Beadbound Blade so in the 40s for levels compared to my 22s. Anyways it uses Heaven's Tear on itself because would hit the most of my units
@@jima.3478 Neato, I never noticed that!
@@CoffeePotato by hit most of them it's the it hits more by targeting itself. Main reason to know that it was the golem that dropped it, other than it did, in PotD as I discovered going through it that time if it's equipment that specific enemy will scale up to the level that it could equip it.
Also new players need to know the difference between the separate alignment choices. Chaos is the easiest route but with the single most rarest and difficult class in the game. And even if you do make it all the way to the Cressida fight and did everything right, you now find yourself in the 2nd most difficult battle of the entire game. Law has the most difficult Balmamusa fight and Brantyn fight but gives some of the most powerful classes while Neutral is the most difficult path of them all, with the most difficult fight in the game of all when trying to rescue Cerya but Neutral has the absolute best story arc and cut scenes and gives the highest value materials for crafting from story battles. Neutral is incredibly difficult due to the careful and constant watch over your relationship to ALL the races while you only need to worry about one alignment on Law and Chaos.
I don't think this is as important. Difficulty varies all over, but the CF thing doesn't come into play that often. For Cressida, You can cheese it using hires from the store, and treating them well for a bit. An even halfway decent party should always be running around with options to deal with anything they run into with enough creativity. You could absolutely win almost any battle in the game with gratuitous use of Envenom scrolls and Shortbows. Necros are also available on any route, if that's what you mean. That was a rumor that started early, and still sticks around to this day. Not to be rude, just saying, these generally won't make or break anyone's experience their first time around.
I think Law is by far the best story arc, though they are all very good. This game's storyline is top notch.
In the neutral storyline, I didn't find myself having to watch over my relationships with all the races. Really, the only situation where that even mattered was if you wanted to recruit Cressida like you mentioned, but like the video uploader mentioned, there are workarounds for that too.
I went Law the first time around, then went and did chaos 2nd, and neutral last after finishing the game on law and getting access to the time travel.
I love that feature, btw. That you can go back after finishing the game and get any and all characters you may have missed.
I didn't find any of the fights extremely difficult, though on my first go round, when I was still a newb and didn't really have the game figured out too well, that optional fight against Nybeth in Chapter one, where you're fighting uphill and he keeps re summoning all his undead minions, that fight gave me trouble because I wasn't prepared. I didn't have many exorcism scrolls and I spent too much time attacking his goons rather than going for Nybeth himself.
Also, the Ch.2 battle on the Law route, outside the Duke's Palace in Almorica, that took an extra try my first time around. Those 2 dragons Modiliani had defending the gates gave my guys trouble.
I had to do a tiny bit of leveling, I think I got one level more with everyone, and maybe did some smithing for additional +1 equipment, and the fight went fine the second time around.
I agree with you about that fight defending Crissidia from her dad. It's a relatively tough fight, comparatively speaking. She can die if you aren't careful, and then the monsters can be a handful if you let them get ahead of you.
Is it possible to do a review of the tactics ogre manga in the future? Would love to hear your opinions on it!
I suppose I should, huh?
I played the living hell out of this game on PS1. It was so easy and fun, but boy this remake is throwing me. Thanks.
There's an absolute ton going on, and I've made a few guides for that reason. The mechanics go absurdly deep.
@@CoffeePotato When I first got the game as a small child I didn't even understand how a memory card worked. So I had to restart every day. I didn't know that you could hit circle on the map and get a menu so I never knew you could train, edit units, recruit, shop, or anything. I think I could usually make it to Rime without any saving or any of that before I ran out of time. Now I can't even beat Fort Kadigora or whatever Neckoman with the Necro plan is in. Time to watch a few more guides I spose. (and I saw Chukthrohard so there's definitely just stuff I'm missing in this game lol)
@@johnnyboy95101 Oh yeah, you can make basically anything work. Right now I'm trying to get runs at Level 1 and Mostly Pacifist done before Reborn hits.
This is great, I heard there isn't anymore random encounters. I hate overlevelling and making the game too easy so I'm wondering is it possible to get through the story without doing the random battles (trials in the new).
I have LUTC for my vita but it was very confusing so i stopped playing it after a bit. The switch version looks like it has a lot of updates that would make it great for me to get back into it. Does this make the LUTC vita version obsolete? or is there something the vita version did that might be better?
You can train almost anyore on the map.
I loved this game when I had my vita…and I’ve wanted to play it so bad but it NEEDS a release on some other modern system because vitas and psps are so expensive now
PSPs aren't bad, just gotta know where to look. Maybe that's worth it's own video..
I had a lot of problems while playing this game, lizard man's beating me up, while only my archers/mage doing reasonable damage...only playing now cause your video showing one vision mod, for the first time I got to chapter 3, everything looks much easier with ovision
Everything is much easier to make good in the One Vision mod, it's pretty awesome to have two versions now. It's definitely better at explaining the mechanics overall. There's a certain awesomeness to seeing how much detail was intended in the original every now and then, too.
Why I started this series: (literally discovered a bunch of new stuff even since starting this)
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I actually happened to find out about Tactics Ogre because of a playlist of N64 game songs. The moment it played Fortune Teller II - Ogre Battle 64, I had to know about the series. At the time, I was searching for a Fire Emblem substitute. I discovered that there was a PSP installment and I'm glad I gave it a try. No, this is definitely no Fire Emblem, but it did feel like it sometimes, at least to me. Personally, I'm the opposite; came for the mechanics, but stayed mostly for the story and characters. Even though I have spent over 100 hours into the game, that doesn't mean it comes without any issues. I didn't enjoy the way the loyalty system was incorporated. I hated the way new classes started at level 1 if you've never used them before. Yeah, it made sense, but it made grinding and investing time into certain characters and classes all the more tedious. And some requirements to get certain units into your army were just plain bullshit. I'm looking at you Deneb!
Yeah, Deneb is kind of a running meme in the series. In MOTBQ, you had to take a huge reputation penalty....then still had to track down and buy her a golden flower bouquet to join. 64 she refused to leave the tutorial. KoL she was arguably the easiest, but still required training a new unit and getting them an emblem that usually has a 4% chance of succeeding. For LUCT, it was not great, but with the right skills, you could see 50-80% odds on those recruits, plus if you get one of each type aside from hydras, you can sort of resource shuffle for all the dragons in one quick grind.
It's weird, but despite a lot of believing the same stuff initially, I've kind of come to respect the weird choices as intentional. Like the level 1 thing is weird and unintuitive at first, but after learning the system, it mentally becomes this weird currency of Level 1 classes that you can quickly juke for a power spike.
That's actually why I've been ordered to just do a dang casual/lore run already to show this stuff outside of a challenge run context several times over the years. It slides together from awkward to elegant, and I love that feeling.
OB64 had a pretty close one with their Soldiers and Centurions. On paper...awkward and useless in the end game. Set up as auxiliary units, they become handy DPS supports.
I'm glad you found this series, there's a lot to love here, and if ever want a good laugh when looking through soundtracks, give a peek to the Saturn Tactics Ogre port. Interesting remixes, more interesting song names. There was... certainly a story there, and I think it involved not having enough bathrooms in the office.
This game is way harder than Knight of Lodis where you can just funnel your mc and wait for Sleeping Dragon .
This game tho Cannopus and save states are my main carry :))
Fair, but there's so much more to love in the system. By this point I'm doing several consecutive runs that I would have considered absolutely impossible a few years ago.
Dude the amount of hours on all those save files......my lord
He is a dedicated gamer, no doubt in that.
Thanks for the video - do you have any tips for leveling up low level characters?
Just throw them into training for a couple fights and you're done. Levels aren't really a focus this time around, Elements and Debuffs are your real power.
@@CoffeePotato Thanks for answering but I was wondering about the PSP version of the game? Do you have any tips there about leveling up lowbies?
@@Ocelaris Yup, go to Tynemouth, and have as many of that unit type as possible.
@@CoffeePotato thanks very much
I think the main mistake when I started playing is that I treated it like FFT where you can throw a few units into a fight and say "I run this shit" where doing that in TO gets your shit wrecked
That said I hear polnareff screaming silver chariot whenever I miss a 77 percent chance to hit and I slam the L button to rewind
What system are you playing this on.. the PSP screen is so small.. I’d love to play the remake instead of playing it on my PlayStation 1. And I want to play it before Reborn comes out
I do most of my videos off of a Vita. It's hands down the best way to experience this game, and I've tried it on a lot of devices before. Plus, with some low-ball offers, you can find them awesome things for pretty cheap on eBay. I recently got a new one again (long story), and it only ran me $70 for a nearly mint Asian model one. (Functionally, modding them is pretty much expected by now, and it means all regions are more or less the same. ).
I have the montaraz and other contracts but how can I use it ? No one in my party can turn into that job. I am chapter 3
I wish I could play this online as a mobile game from my phone I been playing for 10 years and never ever got to the bottom of that dungeon and never got the knight dude
Yeah, Coda 2 and the POTD in general are certainly a journey. It gets faster after you learn some of the quirks, but technically you could always play it on PPSSPP. I've liked carrying a PSP with me to work personally.
Jeunan?? Oh, Jenounes's name in remake. That Dragoon from Gargastan that only available in Law route.
Yup
when you reference new game+, is that different than using WORLD?
Nope, they're one and the same.
Great tips, but I'm bummed. I'm still stuck at Almorica Passageway, I can't handle the 1 vs. 1 battle. Any tips?
Depends what you're working with. This one? (This series was meant to show how far you can get without a store, battles, or anything other than the lowest available classes at all times)
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@@CoffeePotato I've got Denam as a level 12 warrior.
Skills:
-2H Swords
-Anatomy
-Mighty Impact
-Counterattack I
-Constitution I
-Truestrike I
-Strengthen I
-Swords 1H
Equipment:
>Baldur Blade
>Baldur Armor
>Baldur Gauntlets
>Azure Necklace
I was playing through the game blind for the first time and didn't do any extra battles, got stuck at this fight. Scouring the internet for tips. I tried using Dynast-King's Mead and Aerion Plume in this battle, but no luck.
I'm thinking I may have to start the game over.
@@NickEnlowe Honestly you're probably set just fine there. Absolutely no extra battles is 8-9, so you're decently ok there, with good skills.
Some suggestions:
-Equip Daggers as an extra skill (reduces his penetration potential)
-Don't Move. Making him circle around you keeps you faster unless you have a goal with it.
-Use Mighty Strike to abuse the right side cliff for extra damage (see video)
@@CoffeePotato Thank you!!!
@@NickEnlowe Sure thing, and if you need more help, let me know! (I was hoping that series would help to show off the options left when all the normal stuff is off the table. This is an incredibly flexible system for cheese 👌)
Do you have any videos with the ChukThroHard build? Kinda interested.
Also, I remember crafting being so incredibly frustrating and time consuming that it doesn't bother me to admit that I just used cheats for it to have a 100% success rate even tho I played the rest of the game legit.
So funny note on crafting. I covered this in another video, but I was testing a theory a while back that this game was meant to have an Ironman mode because of those crafting%s. It seems like the overall flow of funds was made to allow for getting all of the early important stuff quickly (Shields, helmets and such), but then only get you maybe 1-2 upgrade chances per fight down the road. It may have been misguided, but I think that's what they were going for. People being people, most of us just powered through and called it annoying, but necessary. A bit like a lot of people played New Vegas, and complained that the cazadores blocking the early areas they shouldn't get to overpowered, I suppose. If someone ranks up Steal, however, that skill is basically crafting lube. You can be walking out of fights with Wootz and Baldur bars pretty often. In fact, I think that's what they were going for with the Reaver Ring. You need about 5-6 to start getting the good stuff (it's like moving an elevator up a chart as to how the new drop tables work), but if you get 3 by chapter 3, you can just get the ring and jump straight to 6. I tried that a bit ago, and it's.. actually pretty alright. Yet another of those Guide Dang It moments, but still neat that there was a plan there, sort of.
Also, ChukThroHard (run posting as soon as I stop hating my editing software):
Step 1- unequip intro squad, let them die. Warren will still carry.
Step 2- Take your now Level 6 or so warrior squad, buy plumes, keep stacking this class until you can get Strengthen, Anatomy, and can throw on Thrown as a joke. Buy Areion plumes, use Denam and Canopus to carry while the rest throw around rocks to train anatomy. You can take strengthen off of them and replace it with Counter to train Anatomy faster. You will have to beat your first true Knight boss doing, at best, 3 damage at a time. He will eventually run out of MP, and Leonar will likely carry.
Step 3- keep this up until Strengthen 2, this will give you enough punch combined with a strengthen buff to actually use other classes. It's a good time to invest in Lion Dance if you can afford a few from all those weapons you haven't been buying. Mass strengthen is good, but not technically having a weapon means ninja scrolls won't give you poison buffs, sadly. Equip everyone with the highest Str and Dex bonuses you can find. Aspis+, Leather+, Bronze+/Gauntlet is a solid setup.
Step 4-Go Archer, Knight, Zerk, Tamer, and any advanced classes you've found by this point. Take them from 1-7 at one time with the 7 in Tynemouth trick. Go back to Warriors for the story until Strength 3.
Step 5- Follow story until Brigandine is unlocked, and hand out Brigandine+ with Nomads as soon as you can get them. Finesse or Luck rings are handy at this point if you can make or find them. Take your remaining physical level 1s and stack train them. Clerics and wizards will likely need to be ignored for lack of strengthen, but if you're already landing double digits with them, or don't mind using Strengthen and Breach to do any damage, go for it.
Step 6- switch to Berserker for the story, and keep pummeling with your meteors made from pebbles. If your anatomy is above 4-5, you take on Phorampa. Take the right path at the first branch, and go to the end. Those terror knights drop food items. Keep running this gauntlet until you're sitting on a stack of items to cheese boost Canopus' stats to the moon. You can also take random battles until the Berserker is level 38 for that sweet Strength 4.
Step 7- beat game. With maxed Anatomy and Strength 4, as well as lion scrolls, Brigandine, Nomads ...or if you're sitting on a bunch of rare materials at this point, Nomads+, you should be stacked enough to be able to do decent damage against Templars. If not, take more Level 1 classes from Deneb's shop, or train everyone to tame dragons/Gryphs, and eat your way to GODHOOD.
Step 8- if you want to achieve even more absurd power, you're going to need to beat POTD like this. Deadalus Gauntlets from Secrets of the Master as well as a few other pieces of gear give you Anatomy+1-2. You can max that mess at 16 theoretically. In theory, the whole DLC should be winnable with that, but I haven't gotten there yet.
As you may have guessed, this build...takes a while.
there is a leak saying Tactics Ogre Remaster will be out by 3/1/2022, not sure if it is true lol
Aw sweet, one month to go XD
My biggest issue was that I'd play, get far then eventually my damage would fall off horrendously and I'd try to grind only to find it did nothing to help. I ESPECIALLY had trouble with fighting monsters. The game had the weirdest habit of always throwing octopi and other sea monsters at me and I barely did any damage to em. Using items a lot like this video says seems to be the trick I was missing though. I'll give the game another chance to see if things click better.
It's not just items, but that's the thing, there's so many ways to shift around damage in this game, but most folks just went back to grinding. It's partly why I was doing the Sub Optimal series, showing how far you can get with no grinding, shops, or even extra stops. One Shotting bosses with starter weapons is still possible into the end game, surprisingly. Granted, it gets a bit silly when doing everything at a massive deficit, but it doesn't take a massive grind to accomplish stuff was my point.
Okay potato. In chapter 4 I have to save a pirate who makes all the worst decisions possible and he always dies before I get to him. They create a choke point where I keep getting cut off from moving forward. Tried just about everything. Problem is I can put them to sleep, petrify them, even kill one or two but douche pirate always gets slammed hard by all the enemies on his side. Any tips? I haven't beat the game yet but it HAS to be doable on first playthrough. I did the zombie mission in chapter 1 (or was that 2)
Also have you ever thought about making videos on the tactics of the game. You could go one unit at a time explaining what everything does, what skills are most valuable and how to get the most out of them. Then you could also talk about how to make them work in unison and even talk about things like buffs, debuffs, items ect. Also why does the enemy ninja do insane ninjitsu damage but mine only does 1hp
@@willlauzon3744 I have, on multiple occasions. I think I need to make a playlist of all of them, but will also make a deeper guide into combo tactics, sure.
So that mission technically is one of the ones I mentioned as doable, but it's DLC, so they couldn't add multiple versions of the fight, so it's locked to this mid level situation (normally fights have a low and high variant for where your party's at and world state, this one doesn't.) Basically this means they're going to be running post game gear and skills, but this is still doable.
The best thing you can do early is to break the barricade before it happens. A low equip weight flying Warrior with Rampart Aura, a Shield, and HP Infusion or Barricade works fairly well here. Low weight for acting first, Rampart for body blocking, and the shield for moving away anyone without Steadfast. Have anyone throw out a Fortify and Dodge on Azelstan (petrify works best for Cressida, he's actually a pretty solid unit when he's not supported), and use a Wheel of Fortune card to warp a Knight with Guardian Force next to him. Using Paradigm Shift scrolls, you can make sure he's out of there, protected by a knight, and you're in position before anything too crazy happens. From there, use any heavy bombard units, like Archers and Rogues to damage, setting up with a Spellstrike/Fear spell and Breach should make it a two shot.
@@CoffeePotato hmm. I actually only have one winged unit... I've only JUST started trying to recruit people, had my basic 10 from the begining to now. I also keep forgetting that you can scoot people back with shields. I think I'll try and recruit a wingly guy and see if I cant make them useful.
I haven't used a single tarot card as of yet. Don't believe in them. I mean I COULD but the enemy doesn't get tarot cards so.... I'll let you know how it goes.
@@CoffeePotato so I couldn't recruit and magic winglies in the wildwood so I just trained up my party a little. Took your advice and shield bucked my way through the line and I got lucky that Diego wasn't being a TOTAL idiot and moved towards my party for once. Killed everyone in the port before I could take Ragnar down.
Second. I LOVE this game. Just did a mission where when I showed up the guy wouldn't listen to me because I had party members with me. So I went back in with no allies but still had weapons. Wouldn't listen so I unequipped them but he still wouldn't listen. Then I took it ALL off, even the azure necklace. Then they listened and I met my father and got a new unit plus backstory. I can't even begin with the detail and thought put into this game!
I must be using archer incorrectly. Their damage seems to be on par with my melee attackers. I don't see what makes them special or "OP". Idk how much having the high ground matters since this game rarely gives it to you.
High ground gives range, not damage. Archers are fine for most of the game, but by the end they will likely have stacked crazy bonuses. Due to range, they tend to train faster ..which means maxing out proficiency faster ..which means giving full training to Anatomy faster....which means they get past armor easier. This is still just a mild improvement by the end. Once their elemental longbows hit, though, they have access to their top end gear before anyone else, which means they can use augments effectively sooner....plus they use two common armor upgrades for massive Dex bonuses in the Brigandine+1 and Nomad+1. On top of that, Bows, Daggers, and 1H Katanas get better scaling damage at the cost of penetration.
That all said, they also get some really solid finisher options, with crossbows getting a pretty much guaranteed insta kill at rank 8.
That all said, surprisingly almost any class can counter them in an AI Tournament
Brilliant video. Can you make a video walking us through using new game+ cheat code for PPSSPP, I'm old and blind. Help
Also: where do I get warlock coins
Warlock Coins?
@@CoffeePotato sorry, classmarks, my English not very gud
@@jondoe170 All good! Easiest place is stealing them from Warlocks in the woods, or Chapter 3's final fight on all routes.
How can you play it on TV with such good visuals
The PS Vita, the best handheld that never got a chance. Honestly the only reason I've been playing my cheapo Switch more lately has been in expectation of using it to show off TO Reborn.
i didnt understand what you explained in the armour system video.
Armor basically dictates the damage that goes around, and can be seen like the New Vegas threshold system. Your weapon has an Atk score, armor has a Def score. Skills raise Atk and Accuracy, and the only way to decrease Def is Fear. If you don't get much damage, it's because it's not beating armor, and you'll want to find other ways to deal with that unit. Basically it's this slew of misunderstandings that have been around since launch..like Strengthen or Breach not working, when all they affect is scaling damage, or certain gear being bad, when all it needed was a different build. So...Weapon Skills, Augments, Racial Skills, and Fear are the only things that can change the Atk or Def numbers, and those numbers decide if you get all the bonuses a lot of weapons carry around. If not, there's always just bashing them down, gravity, poison, or whatever else tickles your fancy that day.
@@CoffeePotato thanks
Is there a morality meter in this game like the other ogre battle games?
Yes, but no. You can get a general sense of your standing with different factions based on what new recruits from those factions say about you. You can't get the actual score until getting the Firecrest. There's a ton of tiny changes from this system, though, enough so that I doubt anyone's actually documented them.
I think spear is so underrated item
They so weak even after i get spear from heavenly generals even my anatomy lvl 5 and max lvl spear still cant touch 130+ dmg
There's more to it than just a max single hit, though. You can easily double that damage on a multi hit, not to mention Spiral Scourge is one of the most broken finishers in the game. Actually, they're one of the few cases where pretty much their entire finisher list has good viability.
Solo run for reference: ua-cam.com/video/MCuaJ3aSuts/v-deo.html
Thank you once again for this marvelous guide! Let me ask you guys something;: I had to sell my psvita (sob) and I'm willing to play on ppsspp on my galaxy s20 fe. Did anyone play this game till the very end on that emulator? Is rhere anything I should be concerned about? Thank you once again!
Yup, PPSSPP is the standard for a reason. The only weird thing you may get is some emu slowdown during the hell gate fights and some bigger/weather intensive fights, which can be fixed by turning off Block Transfer Effects. This gives some fragmenting in the victory screen, but usually throws it into clean FPS all around. It's a fantastic emulator, and even uses the same chest format as a normal PSP.
I feel ya in the Vita, but the nice thing is that the PSP line and PPSSPP allow for cheap access to it all. Hell, due to a certain circus show in Europe right now, even the Go became affordable. I recently picked one up for next to nothing.
@@CoffeePotato would you mind telling us what is happening in Europe about the prices? Here in Brazil everything is sooo expensive! But it's great to know that PPSSPP is that great, and that I'll be able to play the entire game on it! Also, I'm re-watching your newbie and in-depth videos!
@ Basically the Go was expensive for the longest time, recently dropping because the main source of adapters for their memory card is in Ukraine. So, until they kick out the circus, there's about a month delay in getting one.
The 2-3000s can be gotten for 20-40 depending on how much work you want to put in. They do go higher, like I have one right now listed for 175 with a bunch of mods and customizations, but buy them for cheap regularly.
Also also, a lot of folks panic selling their vitas after accidentally updating recently, so it's always possible you could get one for cheap right now.
@@CoffeePotato what kind of customizations? It must be really great!
@@CoffeePotato Also, do you know where I can find the best configuration for the game in PPSSPP? Thank you once again!
Oh, I didn't know racial skills works defensively too. Can you cite where did you get that information?
Yup, every skill goes all ways. You can test it in any damage dealing scenario, but I first heard about it when the programming quirks were being discussed for the OV Mod a bit ago. But yeah, all weapon, racial, and elemental skills will apply +4 Atk and +3 Acc as relevant. This also applied in reverse when relevant. So like having axes 2 when being hit by someone with axes 3 will reduce them to the Atk bonus of just having Axes 1, meaning that defensively, they apply a damage threshold bonus. This doesn't seem like much, but that initial Atk check is basically the start of the calculation, and getting past armor scales all your damage with a ton of bonuses. It's complicated, but I friggin love this system.
Should I start with Knights of Lodis before I play this?
If you don't mind starting with a GBA game, it's the best balanced in terms of actually showing it's mechanics, having a lot of cool features, not being overly complicated without sacrificing depth or immersion, and having a difficulty that feels natural. The PSP remake is arguably second in that regard, but way more complicated.
@@CoffeePotato I don't mind. I have both games. I just couldn't figure out which one to start with. I'll definitely give the GBA one a go first then, thank you!
@@714KH Without being too spoilery, the A+ ending of Knight of Lodis gives you some interesting insights into a major character in Let Us Cling Together, tying the two games together. Whether you want that insight first or after you've gotten to know that character from LUCT is up to you. I did KoL first and was happy that way, others did LUCT first and were happy that way, so you won't really ruin anything whatever you choose =]
Thanks for the info. Now I actually changed my mind and feel like starting this one first. However, I was looking into the "One vision" mod. My game is the psp remake, but I'm playing it on a clean PS Vita with no jailbreak. I wanted to know if :
a. Can I even install the mod on that?
b. Is it worth it for a first playthrough?
@@714KH So the mod needs a modded Vita, so you would need that first. Both versions are good for a first playthrough, it just depends what you're looking for. The way I see it is that the original was balanced more like an RPG, tabletop ones specifically(I recently made a Newbies guide to cover this). OV is balanced more like an XCOM or similar heavier strategic experience. That's kind of why we have the usual saying of "OV is for balance, Vanilla is for flavor".
I really wish they'd make a new Tactics Ogre/FF but....I suppose we'll just have to let others do it.
It seems like they're testing the waters with Triangle Strategy, but Fell Seal and XCOM 2 Collection really scratch the itch for FFT and TO respectively. Also there's rumored to be FFT/TO remasters in the works.
@@CoffeePotato Xcom 2 was great and fantastic. I loved it...I hope the next Xcom expands the base building and brings back if not the fighter interception mini-game then things close to it.
Never tried Fell Seal.
@@advkow You might be interested in Xenonauts 2, their air game is pretty neat. Also, Fell Seal is basically the final evolution of the battle mechanics of FFT, borrowing a lot of Tactics Ogre quality of life stuff and debuff variance. So you can have wild things like a Defense scaled offense MP Shield and super armor buff tank, or a vampire with counter attack puppies, or wizards that combo snipe with magic and handguns any time anyone within range takes a basic attack. It's visuals are iffy, but that's because their whole limited budget went into an insane amount of combat depth, as well as custom difficulty options.
@@CoffeePotato INteresting...
Did you do a walk through?
I've done dozens of challenge throughs. A normal casual run has been requested a lot, I'll do that once I'm back up and running again.
Also for new players, they need to understand the game is designed to reward you for never retreating, never using the chariot tarot system, AND NEVER using a tarot card in battle. The ONLY time a tarot card should be used in battle is by a rogue setting a trap. The game does not care if your units either become incapacitated or die in battle. Incapacitation and death only excludes you from certain titles on your first time beating the game. If you never retreat and never use the tarot system, the game will reward you with the highest spells, skills, and materials from both drops and recruiting special characters. Also if you never retreat or use the chariot tarot system the game will give you a single piece of sky iron from a golem in chapter 3. This material is the rarest in the game and is required to craft extremely powerful items. NEVER use chariot tarot and NEVER retreat from battle.
Wait, for real? What else does that do? I mean I was usually playing that was because of immersion, but that's wild..does turn reset count? I know it doesn't for the titles, I'd assume it wouldn't, chess rules and all.
Sometimes this game really hands you some magnificent FUs and I can’t be bothered to re-do a 40min to 1hr+ battle sometimes. It’s great for challenging yourself but I think new players should totally take advantage of chariot at least as part of their first play through.
@@tostonesgg True, though this mechanic is super interesting. I'm pretty certain I've gotten all of these things before on even casual runs, but I wouldn't put it past this game to have a mechanic that boosts drop rate if you play it like the original. Actually I'm a little surprised the sky iron doesn't get used for the Wyrmscale Helm just to add to that 64 reference even harder.
@@tostonesgg The Princess makes up for all your choices, if you let her live.
Also new players need to understand that your choice to either save or let your sister die has seriously dramatic effects rippling throughout the rest of your game. You must choose to be good or evil no matter what path, even on Neutral.
To be fair, on Neutral, she totally has it coming when she leaves to a rival nation, tries to usurp the islands, kills your top general, and then shows up to defend your main rival Lord. At least he bluntly tells you that you just messed up the most ideal ending, as well as Coda 3 when you shield slap her straight off the walls in what we're going to call an "unfortunate moment of karmic button mismanagement".
That said, yup, already covered it in the post game video, which goes up today.
Put a spoiler warning on this comment, dang
how do u get deneb?
You have to buy 5 of all Orbs from Deneb's shop. You technically don't have to be in her store, or buy them all at once, but it helps to ensure she'd unlocked on your timeline. To get her as her unique class you also need to sell her 30 glass pumpkins beforehand.
This means, by any means, selling 5 of each dragon to the shop, including 5 Hydras.
So....get dragons, sell dragons, find Deneb's shop, sell 30 glass pumpkins, buy 5 of each orb (them suckers are expensive). With your now nonsensical stockpile of magical nukes, she asks for some help with a thing, you do the thing, and she joins as a Wicce.
She's been comical to recruit in every game, but yeah, that one sucks.
idk if you mentioned, but there's a stupid design choice (among many honestly) where buffs and debuffs don't work if the target unit is at least 1 level lower than the attacking unit
This means that if you apply strengthen to your unit of lvl 30 and it attacks a unit with lvl 29 or lower, the buff is ignored entirely and it deals normal damage
This also applies to the fortify skill (it also becomes weaker at later levels) and the strengthen skills to a lesser extent
That's not correct. Damage buffs and debuffs only scale up and down bonus damage. There is no check on level there. If your attack gets past enemy defense threshold, all applicable bonus damage is added to the final result. If not, you get none of it. This was rumored to be for all sorts of reasons before, but now that there's people that actually dug through the code, we know that it's an armor penetration thing. Weapon skill boosts penetration, so this also factors in.
So let's take an example.
Unit A is firing a Damasc +1
They have bows Rank 2.
They're looking at 87 base attack, a roughly 15% chance to stun. 8 Attack and 6% accuracy are added from Rank 2.
If they break past armor, they have a 14% damage modifier from the pierce property on the bow, and another 10% if attacking a Golem.
So roughly 93 before calculating for Vit, Dex, and buffs.
The unit they're hitting is wearing full Wyrmscale and using Anatomy at Rank 2
So 35 Def from the body, 31 off of the helmet, and Def 21. The ring is another 8.
So roughly 93 with everything.
This is then scaled down by Vit, racial defenses, and prevailing element. (There's a % bonus damage reduction based on race, type, and element on all of the above pieces of armor) Prevailing element is basically map state, where elements that check skill will change what elements can do on every map. This doesn't boost penetration, but does increase the maximum damage of things. Usually you won't see this come up much, but if you ever saw a dark scaling finisher go nutso in the POTD, that's why.
Anyway, with all of the above, the defenses basically nullify the weapon. Scaling 0.2 or whatever by 15% doesn't scale very far, it's still a 1-2. If, say, they had Rank 4 bows and rank 2 anatomy on the attacker, that instead becomes 16 x bonus damage, which can get pretty significant when you stack a bunch of bonuses. It's why elemental weapons go nuts when they get past armor...because they're getting the standard bonus of 8-15% or so, plus elemental, plus prevailing, plus possibly racial too.
So point is, all that the buffs do is scale that second part of the equation. If there is nothing to boost, they will seem like they do nothing. Level is never checked.
@@CoffeePotato I do know about the whole misconsception on armor penetration (it puzzled me for a while but some browsing of the forums gave me the info i needed which i then confirmed)
But what i mean is, some buff debuffs are straight up ignored in certain circumstances (vanilla only afaik)
It's not a matter of scaling as you said, it's a matter of having it counted in the damage calculation or not
I confirmed it by doing turns with a buff/debuff in the enemy and then retrying (with tarot wheel) but without said effects, the damage didn't change regardless of having either applied
It only seems to happen if you are above the level of the target, as a method of "balance" in case you try to overlevel
And the common conclusion may be "well, there just wasn't enough damage to make a difference", but not only i did it with the godly vanilla archers, i also tried it with the heavy knight that was of the same level (so buffs/debuffs aren't ignored in that case) and the damage changed as expected
@@rompevuevitos222 While the general rule of thumb is that there's always new mechanics to discover (seriously, charm and sleeo using line of sight, that's just something else)...but there's no mechanic for checking levels like that. There's a lot of things that can cancel out bonus damage, from Fortify to racial defenses to weapon skills (weapon skills also add armor in reverse), armor type may be cancelling out that specific bonus damage (highest anti human armor setup is like 85% bonus damage deficit), there's a lot of factors. If you're familiar with the One Vision damage calculator, it may help to clarify what's going on there.
@@CoffeePotato Well, i'm just saying that i tested it, and some units where doing the exact same damage regardless of having Strengthen or not against the same target in the exact same turn
And when tested with another unit in the exact same way but with an equal level the damage changed as expected
From what i'm getting from your comment, is that some defense bonuses only reduce bonus damage from things like buffs? because if not it still wouldn't make sense for what i saw
And i repeat, i do know about the whole armor penetration misconception, but this isn't really related to that because i was already doing like 80 damage and with strengthen it remained at 80 when attacking the underleveled unit
@@rompevuevitos222 If it doesn't break threshold, it doesn't scale, that's the rule there. It sounds like you're having two archers fire at each other in the vanilla game, correct? If so, Bows and Anatomy on one unit would cancel out equal ranks on another. Same as Strengthen and Fortify will cancel out equal ranks. If an opposing element was also prevailing on the map, this could also wipe out bonus damage with enough intensity (as shown in some recent videos.). What ranks, skills, gear, map element breakdown did you run this test with?
There's also a lot of old tests from gamefaqs and such that had come up with a ton of theories about how different stuff worked, and full confirmation/debunking of these things only recently came to light. Personally, I've been running a bunch of tests to see how far Prevailing Element actually affects things, and found that even Shot Grenades can actually be scaled up, basically getting no benefit from strengthen or augments, but through a combination of specific PE boosts, Breaching and scaring the target, can go from 1 damage to the several 100s. As a side note .. divine and dark boost themselves, but most of the other elements work in reverse for some reason.
Sometimes it's faster to just say this game was made by crazy people.
How can i get this game?
It used to be on PSN up till a few months back, but considering you literally can't buy it anymore (on account of barely functional UMDs on Ebay being the only other way), your best bet is to go yar har that goodness. Pretty easy to do.
For fun I think you'd dig this. Try a challenge based on other games.
I'm doing WoW. 40 ch with specs based solely on WoW talent specs. Prot warrior with shield wall, Pallies with bubble/stuns etc. I'm even doing a perma death "Naxxaramus/PotD" run. Got to kill Nybeth/Kel Thuzad. Super fun. No chariots etc.
You can do mega man, Skyrim whatevs. Ty for the inspiration.
When I played this game 15 yrs ago I just 1shot everything and was bored. I thought this game sucked lol.
Oh, I've done a ton of those before, Legend of Dragoon, FF8, just basic soldiers with crossbows, XCOM, and even a run based on RuneScape builds.
Funnily enough that's why they were often in the AI Tournaments.
Lately I've been loving doing a Sub Optimal run, showing that even when doing everything wrong, this game is fun.
ok but who is that Archer lady in the thumbnail?
can't find that art of here anywhere
Arycelle, I believe that was one of the ones from the concept art book.
@@CoffeePotato ah ty ty
Anatomy😏
Being a doctor and berserker is the same thing, why not?
"Newbie's Guide"
I am out of my depth.
Hah, it's not as scary as it looks. The new version is far less complicated on builds and setup, the newer guides will help more there.
try Tactic Ogre: LUCT with One Vision mod.
Sure did! ua-cam.com/video/YHnrzWFa1JA/v-deo.html
But how do I beat the game without having to play the game hehe
AI Only is actually a fun challenge
QUESTION. In final fantasy tactics, you could literally grind one character so hard that you can solo the whole game. And I liked that. YES grinding was a pain in the ass.... but for my play style, that's what I like. Even in Disgaea, another turn based/tile based rpg, I would grind out one character to high levels and just solo the whole game. So is that possible? because if so, I will probably play the "tactics ogre reborn" that's coming out. otherwise i wont touch it if I can't grind.
You sure can. Half my channel is TO challenge runs, there's a million and one mechanics in this mess that make it a joy to puzzle out. Hell, I have No Skills that should be up this week. Here's the final part of the Solo, which..I'll either edit or properly redo at some point. That audio at the start was something I couldn't change after the fact,
ua-cam.com/video/MCuaJ3aSuts/v-deo.html
Also, more recently, the Tactics Ogre, A Florida Man Story is the Solo/No Shops/No Crafts/Permadeath run I'm working on for years now, and can't wait to try in RB
@@CoffeePotato Thanks for the speedy reply. I look forward to buying Ogre Tactics Reborn then. Have that one character I spoil and just rip through the game with.
@@goblinphreak2132 Funnily enough Vagrant Story was literally an official FFT/TO Solo game. That said, it's a bit more complicated on the armor front than FFT, full disclosure. Like a speed build has to still have ways to penetrate.
Any ideas where I can find a rom for this?
Google is your friend. Just know that if it has palm trees, it's the only one that had to shut itself down. Also always take the slow option to avoid the sketchy download clients...and the EU/US versions are identical, it's the JP that's weird.
how do you get anatomy 8? takes forever
There's ways to power level it. Basically any time the skill is checked at all, it gets XP, so you make sure to just have them get into more counter situations. This particular one was from a normal playthrough before I had any clue what I was doing, simply on account of forgetting to equip the Crossbow skill for a while, making him just exclusively train anatomy for half the game, iirc.
@@CoffeePotato another question, spoiler for others. Im not getting the lord class mark after the Barnicia staircase battle. Is this related to something i heard a long time ago about being above a certain level? My Denam is lvl 30
@@arkan5000 That's not the battle that unlocks the Lord. If he's the only survivor upon arriving home, you'll get a different cutscene, and receive Sovereign marks.
@@CoffeePotato oh thanks!
Hey, i have never done any skill scavenging but lets say i find an undead lancer that has anatomy 5. Do i have to use a necromancer to recruit them and then throw them in a pit or exorcise him 3 times to scavenge his anatomy skill?
I'm here because I am a huge final fantasy tactics pervert. I hear the remake has best wifu. Can no longer play the original now that I know that.
It's certainly a "to each their own" type of situation. I'm assuming you mean Ravness, since since she's usually the one in weird poses in the art. Which is weird, considering there's multiple classes specializing in that. I mean the necromancer ladies even have a cleavage veil being brushed away in their art poses. That said, for some reason the necromancers in lore are basically supposed to be pretty charismatic, even having a high charisma requirement in other games, so take that as you will.
Other than that. Yes, Damasc Crossbow +1 best Wafer.
@@CoffeePotato I am a huge fan of the original release of fft (American release anyway). I didn't like war of the lions that much. However the game just looks more polished and more forgiving than the original tactics ogre luct. But agrias was in the original release. Ravness is apparently only in the remake for PSP. So because Ravness is basically Agrias I WANT Ravness.
@@willlauzon3744 Fair enough, as a funny aside note, while the remake lets her become a third available White Knight, the One Vision overhaul just straight up makes her into Agrias completely. Recruiting her is a whole thing in both versions.
Also, original TO's difficulty is overblown. Just like the need for grinding in both is overblown. Think like if people said FFT was nothing but grind because they lost at Dorter a couple of times, and never even noticed one of the archers was unarmed.
@@CoffeePotato wait ... You can get ravness in the psx version of the game?
Funny story. I received my first FFT from my little brother who got stuck at dorter trade city and was going to throw the game out. I got sucked into it right away. Got him to play years (15+) and he never used agrias and he made ramza a coward.............sigh .........
The thing about TO psx is that when your hp reaches 0 you are permanently dead. No countdown or "bleeding out" phase. So I keep losing units who lament my poor generalship rather rudely. At least in FFT psx you had a bit to get to the injured unit and patch him/her up.
@@willlauzon3744 True, but not completely for original TO. You can't get Ravness originally, but there's an overhaul of the SNES version that has her. TO original has Permadeath, but it becomes a permasuggestion by chapter 4, and straight up breaks the game if you know how to do the retissue loop. Rolling with the deaths you get is part of the game, tragedy is it's story, and that's why the recruit chances are so forgiving. I like to forcibly conscript whoever took out that unit. You took their life, now you're going to take their job.
Ben Shapiro ?
Guy's awful, what about him?
New players need to know this game is total bullshit. Your archer will do between 1-10 damage. Not a joke. You do between 1-10 damage when enemy archers do 120 damage. Why is that? No reason, game is just unfair. The enemy is always massively stronger for no reason.
Another thing to know, you can’t win with strategy or tactics. You win by SLOWLY chipping away at the enemy and healing. Healing. Running. Healing. Run run run. Heal heal heal. You might think warriors fight, clerics heal. No. Everyone heals all the time or you die. I have never healed more in my life. It’s ALL YOU DO. HEAL HEAL HEAL HEAL HEAL HEAL HEAL. And oh ya, heal doesn’t heal. It heals like, a quarter of an attack. Meaning you need like 4 characters to use a heal to make up for one move attack.
Status magic won’t work in this game. You might think if you have a sleep magic move that it will sometimes put an enemy to sleep and sometimes miss. No. It ONLY misses. It simply isn’t a move in the game.
So that said, bows are shit, healing is shit that doesn’t work. Status magic is shit that isn’t in the game. Won’t EVER land.
So I’m not sure where the fun is. Just play Final Fantasy Tactics for nostalgia or Disgaea for a modern series.
It's because you are trying to play this game by another's rules. This game is dramatically more complicated in it's systems, and has been for over a decade. For example, bows scale well, but suffer vs armor. For example, Breach and Fear increase incoming damage and lower thresholds, so archers would effectively shred them from a mile away.
Debuffs are quick and cheap, but you can make them land effectively with Spellstrike, available from buff items or skills. Mind also helps to land them, and, in some cases, slowing down the target may help as well. In FFT, there was effectively resistances and damage output, but TO has armor thresholds and situational interactions. If you saw 0% sleep chance on a caster, likely this was due to them being poisoned, since having a fever prevents you from sleeping.
Funnily enough I just made a video on this today. Technically over 100 like it before, but this one's from today, dang it. ua-cam.com/video/_mIMVV2csyg/v-deo.html
i'm about to play Ogre Battle again for the first time in years, and i am just starting an Ogre Tactics game.
You'll have a great time