Worth noting that not many people recognize that the MiG-23M could always dogfight. It can out-rate just about any aircraft in the game outside of the J-7E. It just won't be pulling one circle fights with an F-5 or a Draken.
Yea no, according to all russian players the f5 is broken and the USA f4 is op cause flares. This community is a fucking joke. American players are the only real ones.
from my experience, it actually does win 1-circles with the F-5, at least the F-5E that I fly, assuming the fight gets slow enough for the MLD to use its wing sweep optimally. the F-5 really doesn't pull much AOA, so against many planes in balanced 1v1s the F-5 doesn't get nose-on first in a 1-circle. of course, the F-5 also can't win a rate fight against the MLD, and can't outaccelerate the MLD, and it certainly can't outrun the MLD, and it has fewer and arguably worse missiles than the MLD... hmm. maybe the MLD isn't the most balanced plane.
You can manually set the wing sweep to 0% before you takeoff. Then, anytime you toggle manual control you will automatically get the best dogfighting configuration. There's really no hassle.
The problem I think is that it takes time for the wing to fisically change it's sweep, and maybe for starting a turn at high speed 0% sweep isn't ideal. Just like prop control I think this is one thing the computer will do a beter job 99% of the time
@@juanordonezgalban2278 the computer never sets it to minimum sweep (at least on the M, I assume it’s the same for the MLD). For best rate fighting performance you need to use manual. Any time you are going to pull max cl (basically any dogfighting scenario), minimum sweep is preferable. The computer sets the wing for maximum acceleration in level flight, not for best turn rate/radius performance.
i miss the r60m's, but side climbing up to 7km and diving on them with the r24t is so much fun lol. same strategy i use don the mig23m. The IRST is my favorite feature of these planes
Honestly. If you get one of the high tier money prems you could realistically grind out the tree in about a month if you no life. 2-3 months if you don't.
Even a premium account on a good jet might do it. With premium I've almost unlocked the F-4C with the F-100 a whole lot faster, time wise, than getting the F-100 with various planes and I've had a lot more fun doing it and I've made a decent amount of SL
@@mittcrocket5942 Problem happens when you only have like 2-3 hours on 2-3 weekdays due to work/school/other real life responsibilities etc. Even with premium sh!te, it takes a good while and it kinda kills the mood.
@@mittcrocket5942 Thats the problem right there I have up until the 21bis and it takes approximately 20-30 hours of grinding to get 1 top tierish aircraft. Thats a lot of time, about a month in my case (no premium). Ive already payed the snail and instead my 17AS becomes obsolete and useless. For 1 tech tree of 1 type to only shorten instead of skipping the grind it asks for the same as a new AAA title. It shouldnt be like this. Plus by the time I get the plane its obsolete and gets uptiered and stomped on.
You do the best plane reviews hands down. All useful info, no fluff, and you have to be the only person that covers landing performance that I have seen.
I believe that the MLD variant of the MiG-23 can also be equipped with the R-27 missile (which had both semi-active radar homing and all-aspect infrared homing variants) which have better overall performance than the older R-23 and R-24 missiles which it replaced. I also believe that the Soviet Air Force did try to have the MLD to be capable to use helmet mounted display technology to help pilots of the MLD to have an edge in dogfighting, which is known as the MLGD variant, but it was later canceled and instead use the technology for the new fighter that will replace the MiG-23 Flogger and that would be the MiG-29 Fulcrum. There is even a "modern" variant proposed for the MiG-23, known as the MiG-23-98, which has improved avionics, new radar, better cockpit ergonomics, helmet mounted display, improve counter-measures and defensive suite, and able to equip modern air-to-air missiles like the R-73 Archer heat-seeking dogfighting missile and the R-77 advance active radar guided medium range air-to-air missile.
I guess maybe Gaijin can implement the R-73 and R-27 for the MLD as a later upgrade when the game finally adds 4th Gen Fighters in order for the MLD to have a good fighting chance when combating them, but only when it has to fight 4th Gen fighters in a up-tier match. These missiles will be too OP against jets of the same BR and lower.
i no life war thunder and can confirm u have great videos. all information is on point and correct. if they gave it r60ms it would be too good. r24s are already best missile in game
Well according to Wikipedia the MLD was such a boost in combat performance that it could beat MiG-29's in simulated dogfights (though HOW I don't know.) Also the fixed sweep positions might not be true for the ML series of Floggers? There's a video of a guy explaining a flightworthy ML/MLA and he mentioned the wing could be swept to any position. Maybe flight manuals just emphasized set positions and those were interpreted as a mechanical feature. Regardless the ML's are absolutely better than the early MiG-23's and probably could give US fighters some trouble in 1:1 dogfights.
It's easy to see how tbh. A straight or almost straight wing is much better at subsonic speeds in regards to lift and drag characteristics than a swept or delta-type wing. Add to that the Mig-23MLD being lightened plus featuring lift-increasing vortex generators.
@@flogger8413 Mirages are planes of one circle fight, that plane with that engine just have to avoid the one circle and then in the Mirage is dead because it would enter in a two circle and if it survived into a rate fate that yes or yes I lethal
Lock on after launch is not what you think. Its used because radar would interfere with guidance while missile close to plane. And its not optional. Its automatic behaviour of missile.
I read a report from a test pilot who mentioned it was "comparable" on the horizontal to the early model F-16s and "superior, barely" on the vertical. Pretty impressive IMHO.
Main reason why I think an early F-16A wouldn't be out of place in WT. Maybe it would be even worse than the MLD, as it didn't have BVR missiles (only some planes modified for the National Guard had AIM-7s, maybe it could be a researchable mod in game)
I cant wait to get one of these in like a year, when I manage to stumble down Russia's tech tree haha. That or go down America to get to top tier so I'm not playing catch up when something new comes.
US currently is lacking. F4E which is their top dog fighter was added when the Mig 21SMT came out so well over a year ago.. Still waiting on their first pulse doppler platform which will be obsolete when it finally gets added.... I think what is happening is the USSR is getting the full treatment while they can before the US stuff starts really pumping out as during the cold war they almost always had the edge over most everyone else.
@@Fast85FoxGT i think you may be correct, and why im gonna start grinding the shit out of america, so when the time comes and shit is added, i wont be far behind
I'm stuck in rank 6 USSR because although I managed to get the MiG-21s before rank 7 was introduced, I also ended up getting stuck as I only had 2/5 vehicles in rank 6. So the last several months, I've had to go through and grind all the way through rank 5, and I'm still working on that :/ I think both nations will always have something good to offer at high tier. The F-4E is still good, and the MiG-21SMT is a powerful plane at 10.3 (and obviously the MiG-23MLD right now). So whatever you end up going with, you'll probably have fun either way
@@Fast85FoxGT What edge exactly? MiG-23 was the first aircraft with an actually usable LDSD radar. MiG-31 was the first and only PESA equipped combat aircraft for about two decades. There's also R-27, R-33, R-40 and R-73 worth mentioning. Both sides were better at different things. Whereas the US lagged behind on missile and radar technology during the 70s-90s they were ahead in other aspects such as electronic warfare, engine design and far more ergonomic systems. If you look at the doctrine of both sides it's also fairly obvious why either side was better at something specific compared to the other. If both nations were equally implemented the game wouldn't be fun for either side. MiG-23s would most likely end up being chow for F-14s while said respective F-14s and F-4s would be chow for MiG-25s. I do however hope the US gets something new soon. They should've added the F-111 along with the F-105 a long time ago.
I vehemently disagree with your statement about leaving the wings on auto. Yes, it does increase workload, but flown correctly even the regular MiG23M can outturn stuff like the Draken and the F5's. Looking forward to getting my hands on this thing
The mig23 cannot out turn the draken what you on about hahahahaha. The one thing the mig23 can do is keep energy over the draken but you will no out turn that thing
@@mockingbird0901 you been facing some stupid draken pilots because my favorite preys in the draken are people that think they can win a dogfight, f5s, mirages, mig21/23/27 and su17s
@@voidgaming3700 I've been doing it against a very competent friend of mine. We were both shocked to find it to be the case. If the mig has the wings on auto I'll agree that it has no chance at all, but on manual, when done right, it wins
@@mockingbird0901 again it will not win against someone that knows what they’re doing. The draken should be able to kill you in the first 2/3 turns if the player is too stupid to waste all their energy in 1 turn they aren’t good. Ive gotten tired of mig23 players trying to dogfight me in a draken for them to get killed at every speed. The draken is quite literally the ultimate dogfighter. And the lower you speed the more dangerous it becomes. The draken it like a zero keep it at high speed and even an f4E will out turn it.
I have this strange feeling Gaijin will drag their feet when it comes to introducing newer aircraft, as though they want to savor as long as possible when the Soviet air force was formidable, before it got left in the dust by American aviation.
Uhhhh, or they want to reduce power creep? While it's true that planes such as the F15 are incredibly deadly, it's not as if the Soviets don't have an equivalent. R27s are pretty damn powerful, and the mig29 is pretty good plane. The bigger issue is the massive power creep you get with aviation, since there was so much advancement. Oh and besides, the tornado, one of the main nato fighters is really hard to get licencing for. Just be patient
1 thing to note is that it would probably be impossible for the game to go 4.5 gen or beyond, so even at peak air addition would still be gen 4 or gen 4 turned early gen 4.5 (aka when soviet and US are still on par)
They are most definitely artificially neutering the US for the time being. Since the US has had 0 mainstay fighters since the F4E (added when 21SMT got introduced) and has 0 all aspect sidewinder nor have they even gotten a pulse doppler F4 (which will be probably a F4B or J which will be essentially obsolete by the time its added.)
@@Fast85FoxGT while I do hope for moar American stuff, there are a couple issues with what ya said. The first all aspect sidewinder, aim9 l is massively good and would break the balance. Also, I think f4b didn't get PD. Hopefully we will get an f4j tho with 9h missiles
and they need to correctly model the flight of the r23 / r24R, since when they are launched they begin to maneuver and do not have a straight arming distance like the aim7d.
It's the correct configuration of the missile. Someone bug reported it that the R24R only has a 0.5 second delay in tracking. This was proven by a real life manual of the R-24 missiles.
@@warthundershowcasing8905In the r23 that correction of the flight is still missing since it is the software that inherited the r27 They fly for a while around 1km, in addition to the fact that both the r24 and r24t have the same range all aspects of 4.7km Besides that the Gload factor of the r24 is 7g not 5g
@@DarkLighting115 there is no R-24... it doesn't exist from what i know... there's R-24R ( radar/SARH ) and R-24T ( IR/ST ) ... the difference is in the seeker... that's the only difference
My general advice if someone is interested in a premium is to test fly the options at least a dozen times and figure out which one you feel most comfortable with. They all have dramatically different playstyles, and the general idea of taking a premium is purely to grind out other planes, so test fly a bit and see if you can figure out which one will fit your personal grinding style.
@@eaststarling7805 dont get yak-38 , its my most played plane and it is shit . The only thing it has are r60s which are no longer relevant . Get the mig17 if you want to dogfight , the bmk if you want to bomb bases . Bmk is a good grinder because bombing bases is both easier and more rewarding than dogfighting , but you might lose more often because you are somewhat of a dead weight to you team and dogfighting is a bit frickier , but still doable . You can bomb bases and then start dogfighting
@@SirErfan R-60's are relevant at 9.3 especially in downtier wdym? Also YOU DON"T DOGFIGHT WITH YAK-38... what are you DOING? You only dogfight and use VTOL in a clear 1v1 situation or 2v1 ( with a teammate /near one ) Yak-38/M is really fun if you know how to play which isn't really hard... it's just... DON'T TURN HARD... it's kinda that simple really
@@eaststarling7805 No. Not an F-111, it was meant as a strike plane, not a fighter. We need atleast a F-16, but by the time we get it, theyll have the Mig 25, and we will then need an F15 to counter that one. They always do this..... USSR has the best stuff and the rest of the world is told to "cope"
@@rogeryoung9934 MiG-25 would kinda be useless or something... it's not that great really... it has 2x of MiG-23/27 engines tho xD... the Foxbat is essentially... Engines ... radar ... missiles and nuts and bolts holding everything together MiG-29 is more dangerous to be added So my theory is that F-16 is gonna be in the next update... and the whole update will be called The Fighting Falcon update... ( parody of Starfighters update ) meaning that F-16 will be in EVERY NATION against Russia... and that would perfectly balance out everything ... everyone gets a really nice top tier jet... including Italy... and when gaijin does that... later in 2022 they can install F-14 tomcat and MiG-29 Fulcrum and voila... the new Era has begun And MLD would be adapted to new jet era... by giving it it's R-60M's back AND ... AND... wait for it... it's R-73's ... which have same range as a Sparrow or close to it... is an IR missile.. and pulls more G's then R-60... like 40-50G's and that would make MiG-23MLD balanced against new jets and will be like 0.7 to 1.0 BR higher then MiG-23M And really F-14A can easily be like 11.3 BR and F-16 can be that too... it's not that overpowered really unless they both get Aim-9L in which case ideally would be 11.7
So that's how one was able to lock me up and fire a radar missile before he even got nose on... We were dogfighting for like a full minute, and got within half a mile of each other, right as we're both about to get nose on a missile comes flying out and takes a 90 degree turn to hit me... I called bullshit on that but I guess it's just because the 23 ACM mode has the HUGE vertical limit unlike literally every other aircraft that just has a box in front..
Wonderful video! Said this before, say it again. I saw a German Mig23 on display in the Evergreen Museum. How hard can it be to copy paste? The devs cannot possibly not know that Germany got it. And they have C and P all the time.
It's not about copy pasting at this point (as seen with various tech trees) the point behind it I think since Germany gets two air forces worth of cold war planes is to not have them absolutely stomping in air like they used to in ground, now with mld in you should start to see some of the GDR mig-23s trickle through. Most likely the BM since it fills the cas hole Germany has at that tier.
@@TheIrishBread BM or maybe BN? That's essentially an early MiG-27 xD idk about what it can carry/use for CAS... probably not the same as 27M xd like Tv stuff?
@@rollercoasterintogiantdomo The MLD wasnt sold to the warsaw pact, they were a modernization to the already existing MLA, That´s why it wasn't sold to the Warsaw pact, and I think that the only ones that used MLD were the russians the Warsaw had ML and MLA.
I dunno about this but engine on MLD is i belive an downgrade or something or the same... but the plane is much lighter and all that compared to MiG-23M so it's faster and stuff... but engine is worse or same as 23M ... atleast ingame from what i know
"I didnt get shot down once, and I'm an average player" Nothing against you mate, but its kind of illustrates the problem, doesnt it? The plane is CLEARLY next level OP, Most of the other nations have nothing that can compete against it, other than a few lucky hits.
Hey tim. Would it be possible for you to convince gaijin to bless the F-5E IFF and look down? If not the latter, then just the former. With It being an 11.0 in simulator, it feels completely uptiered. Plus I'm tired of constantly getting RADAR locked by team mates that are in the F-5. Not only would It be a quality of life change for the F-5, but I would also be more on the realism side as well. Also, another thing. Can you release a video on chaff if you havent already? Sorry if I sound needy, or like some beggar, but I'm tired of losing 24k SL to a teammate who just decided "oh radar chose to select It, that must be an enemy"
If only I had that much influence ..... (re: the F-5 stuff) A video on countermeasures, in the same spirit as my radar/missile videos, will come eventually. Big list of vids to crank out, plus dayjob.
@@TimsVariety well I respect your ability to reply, regarding you being busy. And I know you don't have the influence, however you got more than some feedback forum that gaijin only sees things they want to see. But if it's something that you don't have time to request, or don't find important enough that's understandable. At the end of the day, I'm just expressing very specific frustrations with a game which is, at the end of the day, one of the best I can currently access and play. Again, thank you for replying, and acknowledging what I said.
@@TimsVariety I mean I feel of you have the F-5C the current F5E radar set, slap it into 10.7 or 11.0, and then give the F-5E a radar with lookdown and IFF, then I think that would please the fans. That would have caveats though. On one hand the new players get a very basic, primitive "modern" jet, and basically get a basic introduction to RADAR, and it's good for them to learn, however on the other hand the teamkilling would be more prominent, and the die hard fans would be pissed. But I mean it only gets 2x 9e sidewinders so I don't know.
@@alphaprawns the problem is the soviet always get something good every update, this has been said by someone that has top tier for most nations and was a Russian main. The problem is that people complain due to the fact that Russia gets a top tier fighter almost every update the US has only gotten something mildly good that is now obsolete F5E, and the f8 is not that good, with the f4E only being good at high altitude now because everyone’s better at low altitude. Russia gets an extremely good aircraft jet again, france and Italy gets ignored and thought im happy Germany got a bis mig21 that plane is a gimmick in this current meta.
@@alphaprawns except when the other major nation *ahem* US *cough* hasn't seen a replacement for the F4E in over a year(was added when the MiG21SMT was introduced..). The F5 is a decent dog fighter but hardly anything more than a support fighter unfortunately. Now the USSR has 3 main top tier fighters. And their top tier ground lineup decimates everything considering when you have KA50s, 52s and now Mi28s in the sky with 2s6's on the ground. The meta right now is most definitely USSR for the time being .
@@voidgaming3700 yeah If they added it back on live servers they would make a big announcement And also i think those lead indicators are in Air Arcade only? Maybe on dev server people are seeing on dev stream ... primarily russian one the air arcade mode? And on dev server they play arcDe so maybe that's why they think that?
7:40 not true, is better use manual control of the sweep wing, 'cause if not you are gonna suffer a lot of wing overload when trying to dodge a missile o do a quick turn at 1000 km/h or between 900 and 1100 km/h 'cause in auto mode it full sweep the wing above 1100 km/h so, you only need to use 100% wheb you take position or want to go faster and use 0% in dogfight, and use 50% is some turns below 1000 km/h the response is not that slow as he wants to picture it Btw you can make steps on the sweep wings control to 0% -25% - 50% - 75% - 100%, to avoid slowness in manual mode and use with the mouse wheel it is easy and fancy
You missed a huge setback I didn’t hear you mention The Fact R60 on the MLD is rear aspect only , the previous MIG23 has the R60m all aspect. Huge difference
@@GrundleLongDongyou can say that but alot of Russian mains are bitching and whining about it no having r60 and basically making every other plane complete garbage compared to it
@@voidgaming3700 yeah I play all major nations including Russia, i personally enjoy the game most when everything is as fair as possible, it really doesn’t need r60m, I’ve even experienced someone trying to say it needs the r73… idk anymore
@@GrundleLongDong which i think is dumb the counter to this plane would be an early f14 and im not saying it because “oh give me f14 is because in real life test they were pretty close together when It came to a fight. The mig23 was even able to defeat the mig29
@@voidgaming3700 I agree however on certain conditions, the f14 should have no Phoenix, it should have aim 9G & aim 9H along with aim7e4 (in game the equivalent of the e2), so it would basically be the f4 with improved performance. However it’s important that first we get the f4S which actually would have worse performance than the f4E so it won’t have too much of an impact on balance
It's cool and all, but if you aren't a content creator it's just soul drenching grind to play these planes, I have reached the mig21bis and the f4e and honestly I have NO will to play this game further... I'd rather invest my time and money on something else that's actually productive for my life. I have reached a point where I would spend at least 3-4 hours a day playing this soul trap of a game, it's just time to stop
@@addyboi8493 in my opinion Yak-38 is better grinder... because R-60 on 9.3 on a really fast jet that isn't that great at turning but it can outrun a lot of things... it's an Attacker... so airspawn with R-60 and going almost Mach 1... it's kinda 2 guarenteed kills and what ever you do with the gunpod... from my Yak-38M experience ( non premium variant) i earn a LOT of SL and really good RP... now imagine pretty much double that with Yak-38 In my opinion Yak-38 is more fun... and fun = less pain endured while grinding... which you most certainly will feel when using Su-7BMK... it's a bomber with no missiles... it's kinda bad at fighting... so the gameplay is usually spawn... drop bombs and try to do something else and then die... or do nothing and die ( except bombing bases ofc )
Get the Su-7B and talisman it. Don't put your money up on overpriced garbage. You'll regularly get at least 10k RP per match even with mediocre performance. You are up against subsonic stuff, you get to drop your bombs every single time, you can hit ground, be an interceptor, land to bomb again etc. A good, long game will bring you shy of 40k RP per match, and being against subsonics in many matches mean you get to choose when the match ends even if you are not good at fighting.
Because the R-60M is significantly worse than the AIM-9L, and the next upgrade over the R-60M, the R-73A, is WAY better than the AIM-9L. If Gaijin wants to add more modern stuff, they should start immediately with the Mid-4th generation jets with R-73s and AIM-9Ms
@@thelin9061 American Top tier has been suffering since the patch after the introduction of the F5E in terms of aviation. The ground tech trees basically has been neutered since DU used in M1A2 isnt modeled correctly, and the shells are underperforming at best especially considering the rise of Kinetic ERA against the 10 Russian MBTs in game. 😐 Other countries are suffering as well, but in both aviation and ground, Russians have been getting the most ammount of additions, with them never suffering.
I main russia and I really dont think we needed this plane yet. Theres really nothing wrong with the 23m. It'll probably become irrelevant once we start getting 4th gens though.
MiG-23MLD i do belive has MiG-29 radar... and it's capable of carrying R-73 missile... and depending on the variant of it... it's gonna have 50km range ( like sparrow ) and pull almost double that of R-60... so 40-50G's This missile will make MLD go up in BR by 0.7 or 1.0 BR leaving 23M at it's current BR basically making the 23M the 21SMT and MLD the 21Bis xD So the radar on MLD is Gen 4 for sure... MLD = EJ Kai because EJ Kai has F-16 radar and MLD has MiG-29 radar
mach 0.95 seems to be the magic number for 11.0 jets, above that speed the Phantom out turns anything because everything else compresses while the phantom doesn't. I've saved my but by getting up to super sonic, then pulling a hard 180 snd forcing a head on against an unsuspecting enemy
After the Russians get the Death Star mate... Dont worry, Gaijin will give US plenty of Vietnam ear planes, while the rest of the world gets Gen 4 and Gen 5. They arent getting a cent from me until USA and other nations get competitive aircraft.
@@quantumedits272 no the ej kai is a gimmick is an f4 with an advanced radar on it. The only thing it has above the mig23 is amount of long range missiles thats it.
It has everything better than the Mirage. Better engines, better speed, better top speed, faster climbing, more missiles, and it seems to turn better... The Russians have been spoiled, 1 top tier aircraft on each of the last 3 updates, I hope they will slow down their gift a bit and think about making the other nations catch up.
the r-60ms were so fun. just kill some f-4 from a crazy angle who just bled all his energy trying to get a vulcan shot. worked so often. but the r60 has the exact same launch params and track rate so i dont see the big deal other than losing its pretty shit all aspect capability
@@duckzt all aspect is a huuuuuge difference dude There is no difference between R-60 and R-60M... they are the exact same missile but the M has better seeker that's All aspect It's not situational... you lock on... FRONTALLY... people don't usually expect that and die to it... and else it's not JUST front... it's also on other sides... let's say you're turning with the enemy... and you get an angle on it... R-60M would lock on and you fire and boom kill But R-60 would not have lock and you either die or just waste a bit of time for the kill All aspect R-60M turned MiG-23M from garbage to straight up overpowered just because All aspect
@@kajmak64bit76flares??? radar missiles? guns??? if you arent playing against bots an all aspect missile with 2km range isnt exactly gonna be a game changer
@@duckzt you would be suprised how many people don't use flares and radar missiles I personally don't use radar... like at all... i don't care about the quality of it... as a Russian Main ofc... i will only start using radar when like R-27 and R-77 comes to the game... and even then i belive they have IR seeker variant like R-23/24 ... SO I would just use IRST because fck RWR R-60M and other IR missiles are the meta right now... radar missiles are just too cumbersome to use and not reliable... but the IR missile up close is sure to hit and get a kill if not just miss because flare... but hey... you will atleast know it missed and you would be able to react faster and launch a new missile... and/or use guns... It's much more fun to use this tactic rather then long range missile sniping ... with BVR missiles you're essentially camping with a plane xD So i would take R-60M over R-60 and every other missile in the game
Still have the trash Gsh-23 but other than that , everything else is strong on this plane, maybe gaijin should have added the ML with just the fixed R-23 instead
No... MLD is the right choice here... kinda like MF/SMT upgrade to straight up best version of MiG-21 the Bis variant 23MLD is the Bis and 23M is the SMT In the future MLD will receive R-73 missile and will go up in BR while 23M will more or less stay at the current BR like most likely 1 full BR or 0.7 BR behind MLD Also 23mm GSh-L isn't that bad wdym.. especially now when gaijin changed the belts and now it has HE shells instead of Fragmentation Incendiary shells Also from my experience oddly enough the Default belt works best... it's 50/50 loaded of HE and AP... so you shoot both at the same time meaning better damage... since if AP overpens and do no damage... the HE will do a lot of damage and when HE doesn"t do damage the AP will do damage... it makes sense to... now imagine having an air targets belt wherr you got a lot more HE... imagine shooting where you do less damage with HE but you could have done a lot more with AP... That's my theory to why Default belt is better xd
@@kajmak64bit76 muzzle velocity suck , MLD is a tad too strong , it can outrun and outturn almost everything and the R-24T is a really strong missile wich is not good for balance
@@kajmak64bit76 and so what is the équivalent of the Mig-21F13 ? I personnaly like to have 3 variants of à plane , 1 early , 1 mid and last variant of an aircraft unless another aircraft can fil the gap
@@a6m576 right, it's a joke at top tier right now. Usa jets are so outclassed and people on the other side STILL say america is op, cause we have flares 😂🤣🍻👍
Worth noting that not many people recognize that the MiG-23M could always dogfight. It can out-rate just about any aircraft in the game outside of the J-7E. It just won't be pulling one circle fights with an F-5 or a Draken.
Yea no, according to all russian players the f5 is broken and the USA f4 is op cause flares. This community is a fucking joke. American players are the only real ones.
Hint: major fucking sarcasm and disgust towards some players lol, not you 😎👍🍻
@@reitairue2073 hahahahahaha no
from my experience, it actually does win 1-circles with the F-5, at least the F-5E that I fly, assuming the fight gets slow enough for the MLD to use its wing sweep optimally. the F-5 really doesn't pull much AOA, so against many planes in balanced 1v1s the F-5 doesn't get nose-on first in a 1-circle. of course, the F-5 also can't win a rate fight against the MLD, and can't outaccelerate the MLD, and it certainly can't outrun the MLD, and it has fewer and arguably worse missiles than the MLD... hmm. maybe the MLD isn't the most balanced plane.
You can manually set the wing sweep to 0% before you takeoff. Then, anytime you toggle manual control you will automatically get the best dogfighting configuration. There's really no hassle.
The problem I think is that it takes time for the wing to fisically change it's sweep, and maybe for starting a turn at high speed 0% sweep isn't ideal. Just like prop control I think this is one thing the computer will do a beter job 99% of the time
@@juanordonezgalban2278 the computer never sets it to minimum sweep (at least on the M, I assume it’s the same for the MLD). For best rate fighting performance you need to use manual. Any time you are going to pull max cl (basically any dogfighting scenario), minimum sweep is preferable. The computer sets the wing for maximum acceleration in level flight, not for best turn rate/radius performance.
i miss the r60m's, but side climbing up to 7km and diving on them with the r24t is so much fun lol. same strategy i use don the mig23m. The IRST is my favorite feature of these planes
are confirmed to be added when minor nations get new top tier planes
what is the IRST good for?
@@its__russian284 You can lock enemy planes and their rwr can't pick up IRST :)
@@cheemsburmgerm7631 yes but radar missiles cant get a lock with IRST
Im so tired of grinding. There is simply no way I can get to play these cool vehicles.
Honestly. If you get one of the high tier money prems you could realistically grind out the tree in about a month if you no life. 2-3 months if you don't.
Even a premium account on a good jet might do it. With premium I've almost unlocked the F-4C with the F-100 a whole lot faster, time wise, than getting the F-100 with various planes and I've had a lot more fun doing it and I've made a decent amount of SL
@@mittcrocket5942 Problem happens when you only have like 2-3 hours on 2-3 weekdays due to work/school/other real life responsibilities etc. Even with premium sh!te, it takes a good while and it kinda kills the mood.
@@mittcrocket5942 Thats the problem right there I have up until the 21bis and it takes approximately 20-30 hours of grinding to get 1 top tierish aircraft. Thats a lot of time, about a month in my case (no premium). Ive already payed the snail and instead my 17AS becomes obsolete and useless. For 1 tech tree of 1 type to only shorten instead of skipping the grind it asks for the same as a new AAA title. It shouldnt be like this. Plus by the time I get the plane its obsolete and gets uptiered and stomped on.
@@mittcrocket5942 a month ?lol I got a5c n got to j7e on day 2 or 3 lmao
You do the best plane reviews hands down. All useful info, no fluff, and you have to be the only person that covers landing performance that I have seen.
That missile at 1:55 was just like "I must go, my people need meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
I believe that the MLD variant of the MiG-23 can also be equipped with the R-27 missile (which had both semi-active radar homing and all-aspect infrared homing variants) which have better overall performance than the older R-23 and R-24 missiles which it replaced. I also believe that the Soviet Air Force did try to have the MLD to be capable to use helmet mounted display technology to help pilots of the MLD to have an edge in dogfighting, which is known as the MLGD variant, but it was later canceled and instead use the technology for the new fighter that will replace the MiG-23 Flogger and that would be the MiG-29 Fulcrum. There is even a "modern" variant proposed for the MiG-23, known as the MiG-23-98, which has improved avionics, new radar, better cockpit ergonomics, helmet mounted display, improve counter-measures and defensive suite, and able to equip modern air-to-air missiles like the R-73 Archer heat-seeking dogfighting missile and the R-77 advance active radar guided medium range air-to-air missile.
Late MLD can carry R73, but yeah it's gonna be way too OP
I guess maybe Gaijin can implement the R-73 and R-27 for the MLD as a later upgrade when the game finally adds 4th Gen Fighters in order for the MLD to have a good fighting chance when combating them, but only when it has to fight 4th Gen fighters in a up-tier match. These missiles will be too OP against jets of the same BR and lower.
If they add now that it would be very op
If/When they add the R-27 into the game, it will be interesting to see if they "back port" it onto the MLD the way they gave walleyes to the F-4
@@TimsVariety I am not sure that MiG-23MLD what able carry R-27. Only MiG-23-98 should if I have correct information.
It's so exciting to see you gaining all these subs Tim!
2 videos a day? Happy day indeed
October 2021 - MiG-23MLD - "As of today, this is the new top dog in the game"
June 2022 - F-14A - "Well hello there !"
Aim-7f are just handicaps I hunt f-14 because 9/10 they can’t actually fight and just fire off missles hurr durr
i no life war thunder and can confirm u have great videos. all information is on point and correct. if they gave it r60ms it would be too good. r24s are already best missile in game
Idk how R-24 is best when clearly the skyflash is.. it has like double the range ... but idk about other stuff like speed and acceleration
Great review. Now waiting for the mig 21 sps review 🙋😀
I finally have a reason to play this game again 😁
My new top dog, now must buy all upgrades though.
Well according to Wikipedia the MLD was such a boost in combat performance that it could beat MiG-29's in simulated dogfights (though HOW I don't know.) Also the fixed sweep positions might not be true for the ML series of Floggers? There's a video of a guy explaining a flightworthy ML/MLA and he mentioned the wing could be swept to any position. Maybe flight manuals just emphasized set positions and those were interpreted as a mechanical feature.
Regardless the ML's are absolutely better than the early MiG-23's and probably could give US fighters some trouble in 1:1 dogfights.
It's easy to see how tbh. A straight or almost straight wing is much better at subsonic speeds in regards to lift and drag characteristics than a swept or delta-type wing. Add to that the Mig-23MLD being lightened plus featuring lift-increasing vortex generators.
There was a case where Egyptian Mig-23 somehow outmaneuvered Israeli Mirages
@@flogger8413 Mirages are planes of one circle fight, that plane with that engine just have to avoid the one circle and then in the Mirage is dead because it would enter in a two circle and if it survived into a rate fate that yes or yes I lethal
Another great review from my favourite WT youtuber
Great review, I've been loving the MLD!
Mig-23 MaLDing when my missiles decide to go to lunch
Can't wait for the AJ 37 review
Lock on after launch is not what you think. Its used because radar would interfere with guidance while missile close to plane. And its not optional. Its automatic behaviour of missile.
I read once that the MLD had comparable mobility to early F-16 Version.
I read a report from a test pilot who mentioned it was "comparable" on the horizontal to the early model F-16s and "superior, barely" on the vertical. Pretty impressive IMHO.
It was the ML, not the MLD. It should be even better.
Main reason why I think an early F-16A wouldn't be out of place in WT. Maybe it would be even worse than the MLD, as it didn't have BVR missiles (only some planes modified for the National Guard had AIM-7s, maybe it could be a researchable mod in game)
@@jfv2312 it did have bar
@@jfv2312 all of them could carry the aim7e2
Heads up! They finally made it possible to have one R24R and one 24T!!!
Cool jet Tim 👍
I cant wait to get one of these in like a year, when I manage to stumble down Russia's tech tree haha. That or go down America to get to top tier so I'm not playing catch up when something new comes.
su7bmk strong
US currently is lacking. F4E which is their top dog fighter was added when the Mig 21SMT came out so well over a year ago.. Still waiting on their first pulse doppler platform which will be obsolete when it finally gets added.... I think what is happening is the USSR is getting the full treatment while they can before the US stuff starts really pumping out as during the cold war they almost always had the edge over most everyone else.
@@Fast85FoxGT i think you may be correct, and why im gonna start grinding the shit out of america, so when the time comes and shit is added, i wont be far behind
I'm stuck in rank 6 USSR because although I managed to get the MiG-21s before rank 7 was introduced, I also ended up getting stuck as I only had 2/5 vehicles in rank 6. So the last several months, I've had to go through and grind all the way through rank 5, and I'm still working on that :/
I think both nations will always have something good to offer at high tier. The F-4E is still good, and the MiG-21SMT is a powerful plane at 10.3 (and obviously the MiG-23MLD right now). So whatever you end up going with, you'll probably have fun either way
@@Fast85FoxGT What edge exactly? MiG-23 was the first aircraft with an actually usable LDSD radar. MiG-31 was the first and only PESA equipped combat aircraft for about two decades. There's also R-27, R-33, R-40 and R-73 worth mentioning. Both sides were better at different things. Whereas the US lagged behind on missile and radar technology during the 70s-90s they were ahead in other aspects such as electronic warfare, engine design and far more ergonomic systems. If you look at the doctrine of both sides it's also fairly obvious why either side was better at something specific compared to the other. If both nations were equally implemented the game wouldn't be fun for either side. MiG-23s would most likely end up being chow for F-14s while said respective F-14s and F-4s would be chow for MiG-25s. I do however hope the US gets something new soon. They should've added the F-111 along with the F-105 a long time ago.
I vehemently disagree with your statement about leaving the wings on auto. Yes, it does increase workload, but flown correctly even the regular MiG23M can outturn stuff like the Draken and the F5's. Looking forward to getting my hands on this thing
The mig23 cannot out turn the draken what you on about hahahahaha. The one thing the mig23 can do is keep energy over the draken but you will no out turn that thing
@@voidgaming3700 trust me, I've done it several times. Aggressive use of the wings, combined with manoeuvres to bleed the Draken of its energy
@@mockingbird0901 you been facing some stupid draken pilots because my favorite preys in the draken are people that think they can win a dogfight, f5s, mirages, mig21/23/27 and su17s
@@voidgaming3700 I've been doing it against a very competent friend of mine. We were both shocked to find it to be the case. If the mig has the wings on auto I'll agree that it has no chance at all, but on manual, when done right, it wins
@@mockingbird0901 again it will not win against someone that knows what they’re doing. The draken should be able to kill you in the first 2/3 turns if the player is too stupid to waste all their energy in 1 turn they aren’t good. Ive gotten tired of mig23 players trying to dogfight me in a draken for them to get killed at every speed. The draken is quite literally the ultimate dogfighter. And the lower you speed the more dangerous it becomes. The draken it like a zero keep it at high speed and even an f4E will out turn it.
In real life the MLD variant can also use the Vympel R-73 missile. Also the MLD variant was only avionics and engine upgrade over basic ML variant.
Catch me watching reviews of vehicles I will never get
Something to work towards :-)
AKA my F-4E will actually start to suffer unironically
Then it will get aim 9 L s at which point it won't do anything cause mig-29 will be in the game
I prefer semi control of wing sweep sure it takes a second but in the end it’s a second you can use to get ready or a better angle
I have this strange feeling Gaijin will drag their feet when it comes to introducing newer aircraft, as though they want to savor as long as possible when the Soviet air force was formidable, before it got left in the dust by American aviation.
Uhhhh, or they want to reduce power creep? While it's true that planes such as the F15 are incredibly deadly, it's not as if the Soviets don't have an equivalent. R27s are pretty damn powerful, and the mig29 is pretty good plane. The bigger issue is the massive power creep you get with aviation, since there was so much advancement. Oh and besides, the tornado, one of the main nato fighters is really hard to get licencing for. Just be patient
1 thing to note is that it would probably be impossible for the game to go 4.5 gen or beyond, so even at peak air addition would still be gen 4 or gen 4 turned early gen 4.5 (aka when soviet and US are still on par)
@@cubicsquare6926 "Uhhhh, or they want to reduce power creep?"
That's why they added the Harrier out of fucking nowhere, right genius?
They are most definitely artificially neutering the US for the time being. Since the US has had 0 mainstay fighters since the F4E (added when 21SMT got introduced) and has 0 all aspect sidewinder nor have they even gotten a pulse doppler F4 (which will be probably a F4B or J which will be essentially obsolete by the time its added.)
@@Fast85FoxGT while I do hope for moar American stuff, there are a couple issues with what ya said. The first all aspect sidewinder, aim9 l is massively good and would break the balance. Also, I think f4b didn't get PD. Hopefully we will get an f4j tho with 9h missiles
I thought it was just another crappy russki, but I guess it's actually a good dogfighter... which is great!
and they need to correctly model the flight of the r23 / r24R, since when they are launched they begin to maneuver and do not have a straight arming distance like the aim7d.
It's the correct configuration of the missile. Someone bug reported it that the R24R only has a 0.5 second delay in tracking. This was proven by a real life manual of the R-24 missiles.
@@warthundershowcasing8905In the r23 that correction of the flight is still missing since it is the software that inherited the r27
They fly for a while around 1km, in addition to the fact that both the r24 and r24t have the same range all aspects of 4.7km
Besides that the Gload factor of the r24 is 7g not 5g
@@DarkLighting115 there is no R-24... it doesn't exist from what i know... there's R-24R ( radar/SARH ) and R-24T ( IR/ST ) ... the difference is in the seeker... that's the only difference
Had to change my pants after 8:11 lol. Too close for comfort. Great review!
So the MLD doesnt get R-60Ms... Eh I understand, the MLD already has huge flight performance so we can afford R-24s for head ons
Yeah it doesn’t need them
A video about the javelin please it's missile have a really poor range but good maneouvrability. It's should be interesting to play and review
Javelin is on the list.
Was so worried this would be a flop
Explain plz, what are counermeasures. I've heard of countermeasures, but haven't heard over counermeasures
Flares and chaff. Flares for IR seekers, Chaff for radar seekers.
I have a question. Say I am at the mig 15 and yak 28b for the tech tree.
Would you recommend me buying the Yak-38, Su-7BMK, or MiG-17AS?
My general advice if someone is interested in a premium is to test fly the options at least a dozen times and figure out which one you feel most comfortable with. They all have dramatically different playstyles, and the general idea of taking a premium is purely to grind out other planes, so test fly a bit and see if you can figure out which one will fit your personal grinding style.
@@TimsVariety the thing is, I'm better with migs and suhkois, but the 38 gets r60s,but it is still a bad platform
@@eaststarling7805 dont get yak-38 , its my most played plane and it is shit . The only thing it has are r60s which are no longer relevant . Get the mig17 if you want to dogfight , the bmk if you want to bomb bases . Bmk is a good grinder because bombing bases is both easier and more rewarding than dogfighting , but you might lose more often because you are somewhat of a dead weight to you team and dogfighting is a bit frickier , but still doable . You can bomb bases and then start dogfighting
@@SirErfan thank you
@@SirErfan R-60's are relevant at 9.3 especially in downtier wdym?
Also YOU DON"T DOGFIGHT WITH YAK-38... what are you DOING? You only dogfight and use VTOL in a clear 1v1 situation or 2v1 ( with a teammate /near one )
Yak-38/M is really fun if you know how to play which isn't really hard... it's just... DON'T TURN HARD... it's kinda that simple really
Wish I had this
F16A or F14A should really be in the game for countering this.
Maybe the fighter variant of the F-111 Ardvark
@@eaststarling7805 No. Not an F-111, it was meant as a strike plane, not a fighter. We need atleast a F-16, but by the time we get it, theyll have the Mig 25, and we will then need an F15 to counter that one. They always do this..... USSR has the best stuff and the rest of the world is told to "cope"
@@rogeryoung9934 MiG-25 would kinda be useless or something... it's not that great really... it has 2x of MiG-23/27 engines tho xD... the Foxbat is essentially... Engines ... radar ... missiles and nuts and bolts holding everything together
MiG-29 is more dangerous to be added
So my theory is that F-16 is gonna be in the next update... and the whole update will be called The Fighting Falcon update... ( parody of Starfighters update ) meaning that F-16 will be in EVERY NATION against Russia... and that would perfectly balance out everything ... everyone gets a really nice top tier jet... including Italy... and when gaijin does that... later in 2022 they can install F-14 tomcat and MiG-29 Fulcrum and voila... the new Era has begun
And MLD would be adapted to new jet era... by giving it it's R-60M's back AND ... AND... wait for it... it's R-73's ... which have same range as a Sparrow or close to it... is an IR missile.. and pulls more G's then R-60... like 40-50G's and that would make MiG-23MLD balanced against new jets and will be like 0.7 to 1.0 BR higher then MiG-23M
And really F-14A can easily be like 11.3 BR and F-16 can be that too... it's not that overpowered really unless they both get Aim-9L in which case ideally would be 11.7
@@rogeryoung9934 he's talking about the f111B with 6 AIM-54s
Yeah we don't need a f16 or a f14 just a newer phantom for america
Tim is it possible for you to participate in the Halloween twitch drop stream?
So that's how one was able to lock me up and fire a radar missile before he even got nose on... We were dogfighting for like a full minute, and got within half a mile of each other, right as we're both about to get nose on a missile comes flying out and takes a 90 degree turn to hit me... I called bullshit on that but I guess it's just because the 23 ACM mode has the HUGE vertical limit unlike literally every other aircraft that just has a box in front..
So basically in the current version of war thunder this thing is OP? Yeh sounds about right.
I was in one of these games with you yesterday lol
o7
I think they added the lock-on-after-launch feature. Because I use all the time to avoid F4 chaff spamming
The lock on after launch sometimes works which is odd because its not in the game
Wonderful video! Said this before, say it again. I saw a German Mig23 on display in the Evergreen Museum. How hard can it be to copy paste? The devs cannot possibly not know that Germany got it. And they have C and P all the time.
It's not about copy pasting at this point (as seen with various tech trees) the point behind it I think since Germany gets two air forces worth of cold war planes is to not have them absolutely stomping in air like they used to in ground, now with mld in you should start to see some of the GDR mig-23s trickle through. Most likely the BM since it fills the cas hole Germany has at that tier.
@@TheIrishBread BM or maybe BN? That's essentially an early MiG-27 xD idk about what it can carry/use for CAS... probably not the same as 27M xd like Tv stuff?
The MiG-23 was not sufficient to fight late 70s NATO fighters. Good thing it fights 50s and 60s jets
The mig23M the first generation was an interceptor, the ML was a fighter with pretty good característic but used by pilots with bad training
@@ser43_OLDC MLD was an advanced variant and only sold to countries in the Warsaw Pact.
Often the MiG-23 bad reputation comes from the lackluster performance of Syrian pilots flying the monkey-model MS against Israel.
@@rollercoasterintogiantdomo The MLD wasnt sold to the warsaw pact, they were a modernization to the already existing MLA, That´s why it wasn't sold to the Warsaw pact, and I think that the only ones that used MLD were the russians the Warsaw had ML and MLA.
So...what about now? I struggle with my Mig 23MLD against the Mig 29s and F14s/F16s...
I dunno about this but engine on MLD is i belive an downgrade or something or the same... but the plane is much lighter and all that compared to MiG-23M so it's faster and stuff... but engine is worse or same as 23M ... atleast ingame from what i know
Imma just wait for the German one if/when it comes after the bis. I'm only just now researching the mig-17 in the Russian tech ttee
We will probably have to wait a year again
"I didnt get shot down once, and I'm an average player"
Nothing against you mate, but its kind of illustrates the problem, doesnt it? The plane is CLEARLY next level OP, Most of the other nations have nothing that can compete against it, other than a few lucky hits.
Or it could just be luck
Hey tim. Would it be possible for you to convince gaijin to bless the F-5E IFF and look down? If not the latter, then just the former. With It being an 11.0 in simulator, it feels completely uptiered. Plus I'm tired of constantly getting RADAR locked by team mates that are in the F-5. Not only would It be a quality of life change for the F-5, but I would also be more on the realism side as well. Also, another thing. Can you release a video on chaff if you havent already? Sorry if I sound needy, or like some beggar, but I'm tired of losing 24k SL to a teammate who just decided "oh radar chose to select It, that must be an enemy"
If only I had that much influence ..... (re: the F-5 stuff)
A video on countermeasures, in the same spirit as my radar/missile videos, will come eventually. Big list of vids to crank out, plus dayjob.
@@TimsVariety well I respect your ability to reply, regarding you being busy.
And I know you don't have the influence, however you got more than some feedback forum that gaijin only sees things they want to see. But if it's something that you don't have time to request, or don't find important enough that's understandable. At the end of the day, I'm just expressing very specific frustrations with a game which is, at the end of the day, one of the best I can currently access and play.
Again, thank you for replying, and acknowledging what I said.
@@aviatorlewski9310 FWIW, a few people HAVE complained about the lack of radar in F-5 variants that got it in real life. No idea if it'll go anywhere.
@@TimsVariety I mean I feel of you have the F-5C the current F5E radar set, slap it into 10.7 or 11.0, and then give the F-5E a radar with lookdown and IFF, then I think that would please the fans. That would have caveats though. On one hand the new players get a very basic, primitive "modern" jet, and basically get a basic introduction to RADAR, and it's good for them to learn, however on the other hand the teamkilling would be more prominent, and the die hard fans would be pissed. But I mean it only gets 2x 9e sidewinders so I don't know.
how much?
Does it have a missile alert system ?
It take snail 3 days to f**k harrier, same story will be here.
This whole video speaks ✨Russian Bias✨
People say this literally any time the Soviets get anything remotely good. Give it a rest.
@@alphaprawns the problem is the soviet always get something good every update, this has been said by someone that has top tier for most nations and was a Russian main. The problem is that people complain due to the fact that Russia gets a top tier fighter almost every update the US has only gotten something mildly good that is now obsolete F5E, and the f8 is not that good, with the f4E only being good at high altitude now because everyone’s better at low altitude. Russia gets an extremely good aircraft jet again, france and Italy gets ignored and thought im happy Germany got a bis mig21 that plane is a gimmick in this current meta.
@@alphaprawns except when the other major nation *ahem* US *cough* hasn't seen a replacement for the F4E in over a year(was added when the MiG21SMT was introduced..). The F5 is a decent dog fighter but hardly anything more than a support fighter unfortunately. Now the USSR has 3 main top tier fighters. And their top tier ground lineup decimates everything considering when you have KA50s, 52s and now Mi28s in the sky with 2s6's on the ground. The meta right now is most definitely USSR for the time being .
@@alphaprawns Maybe there's some truth to what's being said...
cope
They added leadindicators back for radar locks during dogfights
Depending on the weapon caliber the indicator will appear between 0.6 to 1km
Thats only on the dev servers
@@voidgaming3700 yeah
If they added it back on live servers they would make a big announcement
And also i think those lead indicators are in Air Arcade only? Maybe on dev server people are seeing on dev stream ... primarily russian one the air arcade mode? And on dev server they play arcDe so maybe that's why they think that?
Love your review style; what do you think of the Me262s?
Honestly the 262 is garbage. Even some props like the F8F, F7F and late model P-51 can out do it.
How to do switch to ACM mode in the mig23?
Check my video on radar systems - theres a keybind for it.
Have this plane standing in my university campus, though they placed it after my graduation)
7:40 not true, is better use manual control of the sweep wing, 'cause if not you are gonna suffer a lot of wing overload when trying to dodge a missile o do a quick turn at 1000 km/h or between 900 and 1100 km/h 'cause in auto mode it full sweep the wing above 1100 km/h so, you only need to use 100% wheb you take position or want to go faster and use 0% in dogfight, and use 50% is some turns below 1000 km/h the response is not that slow as he wants to picture it
Btw you can make steps on the sweep wings control to 0% -25% - 50% - 75% - 100%, to avoid slowness in manual mode and use with the mouse wheel it is easy and fancy
Too much quality in this video.
You missed a huge setback
I didn’t hear you mention The Fact R60 on the MLD is rear aspect only , the previous MIG23 has the R60m all aspect.
Huge difference
Have you missed the entire video? It really doesn’t need the r60m it’s already better than everything in game
@@GrundleLongDongyou can say that but alot of Russian mains are bitching and whining about it no having r60 and basically making every other plane complete garbage compared to it
@@voidgaming3700 yeah I play all major nations including Russia, i personally enjoy the game most when everything is as fair as possible, it really doesn’t need r60m, I’ve even experienced someone trying to say it needs the r73… idk anymore
@@GrundleLongDong which i think is dumb the counter to this plane would be an early f14 and im not saying it because “oh give me f14 is because in real life test they were pretty close together when It came to a fight. The mig23 was even able to defeat the mig29
@@voidgaming3700 I agree however on certain conditions, the f14 should have no Phoenix, it should have aim 9G & aim 9H along with aim7e4 (in game the equivalent of the e2), so it would basically be the f4 with improved performance. However it’s important that first we get the f4S which actually would have worse performance than the f4E so it won’t have too much of an impact on balance
Just unlock mig 23 m and fuck i want the mld
The M is great, but the MLD really is an enormous upgrade.
When will you do not quick reviews?
A few of mine are "detailed" reviews, about twice as long.
@@TimsVariety so when will you do next detailed?
It's cool and all, but if you aren't a content creator it's just soul drenching grind to play these planes, I have reached the mig21bis and the f4e and honestly I have NO will to play this game further...
I'd rather invest my time and money on something else that's actually productive for my life.
I have reached a point where I would spend at least 3-4 hours a day playing this soul trap of a game, it's just time to stop
That thing is busted
These is most advance plane in game, phantom is sucks. Big advantage is radar display whow targets on fucking hud!
HAHAHAHAH SUBDUEDGOLD16 THATS ME , I literally though hmmm is that a UA-camr?
o7
I was cheering for you mate, you did your best against the Mig spam
I really need to grind Russian air but it’s a struggle with Russia for some reason so does anyone have advice (idm if you just say premiums) :3
Which plane are you stuck on?
@@Scorchluck ehh eh it’s kinda the whole tech tree I’ve got to rank 4 and just can’t progress any further
@@owosatan8864 su-7 bmk is a good premium pack for grinding if you dont mind jet bombers
@@addyboi8493 in my opinion Yak-38 is better grinder... because R-60 on 9.3 on a really fast jet that isn't that great at turning but it can outrun a lot of things... it's an Attacker... so airspawn with R-60 and going almost Mach 1... it's kinda 2 guarenteed kills and what ever you do with the gunpod... from my Yak-38M experience ( non premium variant) i earn a LOT of SL and really good RP... now imagine pretty much double that with Yak-38
In my opinion Yak-38 is more fun... and fun = less pain endured while grinding... which you most certainly will feel when using Su-7BMK... it's a bomber with no missiles... it's kinda bad at fighting... so the gameplay is usually spawn... drop bombs and try to do something else and then die... or do nothing and die ( except bombing bases ofc )
Get the Su-7B and talisman it. Don't put your money up on overpriced garbage. You'll regularly get at least 10k RP per match even with mediocre performance. You are up against subsonic stuff, you get to drop your bombs every single time, you can hit ground, be an interceptor, land to bomb again etc. A good, long game will bring you shy of 40k RP per match, and being against subsonics in many matches mean you get to choose when the match ends even if you are not good at fighting.
What I really don't get is if russia starts getting R-60Ms why can't other nations get stuff like AIM-9L or simmilar
Because the R-60M is significantly worse than the AIM-9L, and the next upgrade over the R-60M, the R-73A, is WAY better than the AIM-9L. If Gaijin wants to add more modern stuff, they should start immediately with the Mid-4th generation jets with R-73s and AIM-9Ms
Meanwhile American can't even get a damn Pulse Doppler f4. Jesus.
Next update will be mig 29 and US will still have to fly F4E :)
America has never suffered any update these last few years
@@thelin9061 American Top tier has been suffering since the patch after the introduction of the F5E in terms of aviation. The ground tech trees basically has been neutered since DU used in M1A2 isnt modeled correctly, and the shells are underperforming at best especially considering the rise of Kinetic ERA against the 10 Russian MBTs in game. 😐 Other countries are suffering as well, but in both aviation and ground, Russians have been getting the most ammount of additions, with them never suffering.
@@pelican933 jjaja America was bullying in air RB top tier for over a year, so stay calm that others want to enjoy
@@pelican933 ALL THE APFSDS OF THIS GAME ARE UNDERPERFORMING, SO SHUT UP
I main russia and I really dont think we needed this plane yet. Theres really nothing wrong with the 23m.
It'll probably become irrelevant once we start getting 4th gens though.
MiG-23MLD i do belive has MiG-29 radar... and it's capable of carrying R-73 missile... and depending on the variant of it... it's gonna have 50km range ( like sparrow ) and pull almost double that of R-60... so 40-50G's
This missile will make MLD go up in BR by 0.7 or 1.0 BR leaving 23M at it's current BR basically making the 23M the 21SMT and MLD the 21Bis xD
So the radar on MLD is Gen 4 for sure... MLD = EJ Kai because EJ Kai has F-16 radar and MLD has MiG-29 radar
Not giving it r60ms is just plain stupid.
It's not , it still got the all aspect R-24 ,
It doesn’t need R60Ms
@@patriotic-panda yes it does the mig23m is only just decent with r60ms.
@@DustyBustty okay? But the MLD is good even without R60Ms
@@patriotic-panda its ok phantom is still better
Cool for russia painful for everyone else.
mach 0.95 seems to be the magic number for 11.0 jets, above that speed the Phantom out turns anything because everything else compresses while the phantom doesn't. I've saved my but by getting up to super sonic, then pulling a hard 180 snd forcing a head on against an unsuspecting enemy
"im an average pilot" then what the fuck is a good pilot because you got skill
When will they add the f14/f15/f16?
After the Russians get the Death Star mate... Dont worry, Gaijin will give US plenty of Vietnam ear planes, while the rest of the world gets Gen 4 and Gen 5. They arent getting a cent from me until USA and other nations get competitive aircraft.
russian bias
bruh how
@@quantumedits272 how many fucking 11.0s do they have?
@@quantumedits272 this plane is quite literally better than everything else at top tier
@@voidgaming3700 so your telling me ej kai cant counter it
@@quantumedits272 no the ej kai is a gimmick is an f4 with an advanced radar on it. The only thing it has above the mig23 is amount of long range missiles thats it.
please dear god use manual wing controls. and realize when your missiles are locked onto the sun lol
It has everything better than the Mirage. Better engines, better speed, better top speed, faster climbing, more missiles, and it seems to turn better...
The Russians have been spoiled, 1 top tier aircraft on each of the last 3 updates, I hope they will slow down their gift a bit and think about making the other nations catch up.
:-/ Im flying F8U2 so yeah :-/
Yeah so an updated video with current meta, I guarantee this isn't as good anymore 🤣.
I hope that they add f-14s f-15s or f-16s in this year
Yee
lol "auto" wing sweep in a plane that couldn't even sweep wings under G-load, nor had any kind of wing sweep programmer
the r-60ms were so fun. just kill some f-4 from a crazy angle who just bled all his energy trying to get a vulcan shot. worked so often. but the r60 has the exact same launch params and track rate so i dont see the big deal other than losing its pretty shit all aspect capability
Wdym pretty shit all aspect capability? Do you realize you can lock onto stuff the regular R-60 straight up can NOT do?
@@kajmak64bit76 yeah... and? my point is its hardly better than the r60 at all and is just as situational
@@duckzt all aspect is a huuuuuge difference dude
There is no difference between R-60 and R-60M... they are the exact same missile but the M has better seeker that's All aspect
It's not situational... you lock on... FRONTALLY... people don't usually expect that and die to it... and else it's not JUST front... it's also on other sides...
let's say you're turning with the enemy... and you get an angle on it... R-60M would lock on and you fire and boom kill
But R-60 would not have lock and you either die or just waste a bit of time for the kill
All aspect R-60M turned MiG-23M from garbage to straight up overpowered just because All aspect
@@kajmak64bit76flares??? radar missiles? guns??? if you arent playing against bots an all aspect missile with 2km range isnt exactly gonna be a game changer
@@duckzt you would be suprised how many people don't use flares and radar missiles
I personally don't use radar... like at all... i don't care about the quality of it... as a Russian Main ofc... i will only start using radar when like R-27 and R-77 comes to the game... and even then i belive they have IR seeker variant like R-23/24 ... SO I would just use IRST because fck RWR
R-60M and other IR missiles are the meta right now... radar missiles are just too cumbersome to use and not reliable... but the IR missile up close is sure to hit and get a kill if not just miss because flare... but hey... you will atleast know it missed and you would be able to react faster and launch a new missile... and/or use guns...
It's much more fun to use this tactic rather then long range missile sniping ... with BVR missiles you're essentially camping with a plane xD
So i would take R-60M over R-60 and every other missile in the game
“Russian bias doesn’t exist”
Still have the trash Gsh-23 but other than that , everything else is strong on this plane, maybe gaijin should have added the ML with just the fixed R-23 instead
No... MLD is the right choice here... kinda like MF/SMT upgrade to straight up best version of MiG-21 the Bis variant
23MLD is the Bis and 23M is the SMT
In the future MLD will receive R-73 missile and will go up in BR while 23M will more or less stay at the current BR like most likely 1 full BR or 0.7 BR behind MLD
Also 23mm GSh-L isn't that bad wdym.. especially now when gaijin changed the belts and now it has HE shells instead of Fragmentation Incendiary shells
Also from my experience oddly enough the Default belt works best... it's 50/50 loaded of HE and AP... so you shoot both at the same time meaning better damage... since if AP overpens and do no damage... the HE will do a lot of damage and when HE doesn"t do damage the AP will do damage... it makes sense to... now imagine having an air targets belt wherr you got a lot more HE... imagine shooting where you do less damage with HE but you could have done a lot more with AP...
That's my theory to why Default belt is better xd
@@kajmak64bit76 muzzle velocity suck , MLD is a tad too strong , it can outrun and outturn almost everything and the R-24T is a really strong missile wich is not good for balance
@@kajmak64bit76 and so what is the équivalent of the Mig-21F13 ? I personnaly like to have 3 variants of à plane , 1 early , 1 mid and last variant of an aircraft unless another aircraft can fil the gap
@@aureliencostabeber8532 an equivalent of 21-F13?
That would be a MiG-29 with R-3S only xD
@@kajmak64bit76 you mean Mig-23 with r3s ? It's the Mig-23S and i would love to have it in game or an attack version like the Mig-23B
AND IT HAS AUTOMATED SWEEP CONTROL LMFAOOOOOO, I thought it at least took a little skill for this but gotdamn. The russian bias is so fucking real.
Taking their sweet fucking time adding a new america jet that can be on par with this.
@@a6m576 right, it's a joke at top tier right now. Usa jets are so outclassed and people on the other side STILL say america is op, cause we have flares 😂🤣🍻👍
i manual control the Mig-23 wing sweep because proformace is noticable