Amazing information it's not often I ever listen to a video this long. you have really got my head spinning with this and I will be using some of this information for a project that I'm doing with domed environmental greenhouse
Thank you so much for this precious valuable knowledge ...bringing up the fact that composting could produce equivalent energy without burning (destroying) the input material is incredible powerfull weapon for environmental issues...live long and prospert!!!
Awesome! Cant wait to learn more about Jean Pain!!! And I learned what I already suspected, that corrosion is sped up under composting conditions making copper pipe the wrong choice. That is if I understood you correctly. Anyhow thanks for sharing this! And thanks to youtube for the “playback speed” adjustment!!!
Wow , i really enjoyed your video . it addresses a few questions ive had i cant wait to share this with my friend . weve been discussing projects for his 160 acre farm . between this and the bio char video info , i think youve given me a year or two worth of work lol. The information is very appreciated . were just over the vermont border in cold canada so cold winters pose challenges. Thanks again ill be watching this again to be sure to get it all down .Thanks to the channel for the amazing content as well. Take care
OMG!! I used to work with horses, and was really good at Squaring off the Muck heap,,, even back then, I used to wonder about the heat and energy lost, whilst snow was steaming off, while the heap was composting!! I am really surprised that this hasn't been made more accessible as information!! And, I used to maintain the squared off Muck heaps, so as to ensure that we didn't have any fires!! I was often thinking that the heat could be captured with the use of water lines,,,, Perhaps even the heat /cold generators (Peltier /Sterling?!) I'm glad to see that this is being put to use!! We would Start by tamping down the first, , then build up at one end, making "steps" up, and stomping them flat, whilst continuing the 1st end, until this was the correct height of about 6ft high,step down a foot, about a yard, in length and so on. Eventually, the composted material was sold on to gardeners, and we'd keep circulating the compost and raw Muck and Straw.... There wasn't ever any problems with Unpleasant odours. Back at home, I did keep my own two stables, one Muck heap easily heated, during winter, my elderly glass house, at a decent temperature, even keeping a couple of grapevines, amongst other things growing well in the NW, UK!!!!
What a Dingbatt! This information has been around for ages. I clearly remember an article in 1980 by Reader’s Digest about Jean Pain. This Publication is known throughout the English speaking world.
Jean Pain's feedstock was machined forest wastes. It was far from being merely woodchips. it would have had a lot of leaf, bark, weeds, vines and many other things that are removed when reducing the fuel hazard and doing general forest management tasks. Woodchips made from just the woody parts of a tree are mostly carbon, lignin and cellulous, but brushwood that is cut and mashed, as was done in jeans machine, is entirely more nutritious and structurally suitable for composting and methane making than simple wood. It is amazing that these heaps that you show could be anaerobic soon after turning. Usually if a material is that wet, it is too wet to turn well. But one thing is certain. unprotected compost heaps will burn away in the sun and evaporate goodness. They need to be mulched and covered with breathable material because by doing this well you will save about a quarter of your production.
No, the feedstock was fresh, green under brush which automatically has more energy content than the dead material. Jean Pain, himself cautioned against taking the detritus.
You are capturing the water and recycling it to continuing the process. However, you are doing nothing with the CO2. The is a gross inefficiency of the system.
@@estebancorral5151This was a good question you asked! The answer is simple maths. Left to its own devices nature would put the oxygen, carbon, nitrogen cycles into balance. But humans have decided to burn the house down. We are burning millions of years of evolution in an orgy of self destruction. Build a log cabin. Make wooden tools. Make compost. Stop setting fire to the planet. Let plants put the CO2 back into the soil.
@@johnkilgallon207 you are obfuscating the issue. Composting is an accelerated biodegradation with the interference and control of man. In this case, the CO2 is not being used which is a waste. Your response provides no resolution. You have left a clue that you maybe a Briton-“maths.” If you are going to to use the abbreviation of mathematics just say math and rid your self of an unnecessary /s./
@@estebancorral5151 wrong he has an American accent and references locations in US. In any event why don’t you make your own video instead of criticizing others?
Great presentation, very informative. No mentioning of peeing on the compost pile as a source of nitrogen and of course moisture. The insulated shed composting set up could instead be a basement under the greenhouse with ventilation to the outside with vent pipes. The heat would rise up to the greenhouse.
Great info here I have a small like 220 c/ft greenhouse for citrus tree that produce and will be using a compost box as a pre heater in my 30ft of hose at 5 feet down exchanger. VT is a great state had fun there near Manchester ctr years back.
I cuurently have 8-9 yards of compost in process on my mini farm, with plans to increase to 12. I've never captured any of the heat, but you've got me thinking...
Bring this up to a mayor and council, they'll breath deep and act like it cost too much and you should shut up......but they think spending money makes them important.
Suck air from top down so that no water draw up into the vacuum machine and also draw up the heat. the heated air then enter the botom ground of a green house. Cover the entire ground with charcoal or better activated carbon so that when hot air enter the green house, odor can be filtered. Or let charcoal in a container of the pipe systm as a filter, then the filtered air with methane can be burned at the final stage of the exit.
Sorry if this is a silly question: does composting release more BTUs/energy because it does not emit any light, unlike combustion ? That would seem to me to be a sensible explanation as to why there is more energy ‘available’
Interesting point. You may be onto something. Also, how about the sound emitted from some forms of combustion? At least internal combustion engines sure emits a lot. Engines are obviously used for work, which brings up another possibility -- is some energy lost to physical force in combustion that isn't lost in composting?
Another possible explanation that I wonder about: combustion doesn't utilize nitrogen from the atmosphere as a part of the chemical reaction like composting does. A significant portion of the energy in the process seems to come from atmospheric nitrogen being fixed and consumed by the microbes. This could help to explain how even though there must be losses from the biological process, there still the same Btu produced from composting and combustion.
No. The system used to liberate heat is cellular respiration which which is many times more efficient than combustion. As human, you are using this system to live. The microbes in feedstock use this system. They have a problem though. There bodies have a low surface to volume ratio which makes it hard to remove their excess heat. By providing them with artificial ventilation, you are preventing them from dying off from their own gluttony.
@29:00 the heat exchangers described seem to be heat pipes. I note this because a heat pipe need not be a high end manufactured product, but can be relatively simple. Side note, turning on close captioning would help people that are hard of hearing.
Is it possible to have the biofilter be compost of the same composition and size as the source pile? Then reverse the flow every once in a while to keep the twin piles' moisture balanced (and possibly help to keep the lines clear)? Since the biofilter is basically just a positive-pressure aerated pile? Is it necessary to use the Isobar® air-to-water heat exchanger or can one just use a commercially available air-to-air heat exchanger like from an air-source heat pump? This would probably work better at smaller/residential scales since it would also have the air-source heat-pump to compensate for whenever the compost gets too cool to suffice.
Completed compost is the best bio-filter. It is almost humus. You are wrong that the system has to use positive displacement. The German inventor Anton Flettner proved that negative pressure is eight times more efficient. He had an ephany while on vacation looking at sail boats in Kiel, Germany.
Yes, but you are not regulating the heat to speed up the process or to put the heat into some other application which is useful. You are a proponent of the status quo.
I have a question about negative air flow composing. The question is asked in your video about inches of water column relative to cfm. We have built a system but have been unable to find information about the proper inches of water column. Could you supply this information please? Thank you for your time.
is there any one my husband and I can contact, we are building a green house this spring/summer/fall and a looking for alternative heat sources to help grow year round. thank you!!
Honestly, there aren't any smells. The pile heats high enough and fast enough that there is no smell. There is only a smell if the balance of carbon to nitrogen and oxygen is off.
I'm confused: you say compost needs to have a fan to avoid the oder, but then you say that you just fan it to a room with wood chips to absorb the smell. Couldn't I just add more woodchips to the pile to eliminate the stench? Also, you say that the greenhouse that is attached to the compost pile had an awful oder, but you said he used chicken manure. What if you just composted plants?
on another video, saved in my playlist "fire" and/or "gardening" a person is using just a pile of leafs on one side of his greenhouse and says its enough and has stopped the use of his woodburner that he had installed there. i believe he said that there was coming like 30 degrees celcius from the side in the winter other people say manure is producing like 300w for a ton
@@jesuschristislordoflordsan427 It depends on what is being composted, and what system is being used... Also,, these compost heaps need to be managed. I hope this helps. Andrea XxX
Great presentation! I would like to create compost on a small scale to improve the fertility of the soil.. I will email my questions. Thank you! Shelia Gibson
Amazing information it's not often I ever listen to a video this long. you have really got my head spinning with this and I will be using some of this information for a project that I'm doing with domed environmental greenhouse
Gnb
Thank you so much for this precious valuable knowledge ...bringing up the fact that composting could produce equivalent energy without burning (destroying) the input material is incredible powerfull weapon for environmental issues...live long and prospert!!!
Amazing information. Stacking functions is the ticket.
Awesome! Cant wait to learn more about Jean Pain!!! And I learned what I already suspected, that corrosion is sped up under composting conditions making copper pipe the wrong choice. That is if I understood you correctly. Anyhow thanks for sharing this! And thanks to youtube for the “playback speed” adjustment!!!
Thanks for this video! I could learn a little more about composting process!
Wow , i really enjoyed your video . it addresses a few questions ive had i cant wait to share this with my friend . weve been discussing projects for his 160 acre farm . between this and the bio char video info , i think youve given me a year or two worth of work lol. The information is very appreciated . were just over the vermont border in cold canada so cold winters pose challenges. Thanks again ill be watching this again to be sure to get it all down .Thanks to the channel for the amazing content as well. Take care
Great video! I am working on a compost pile right now and I see several things that I need to improve on already!
Very great presentation. I hope and wish more people got involved in this.
Agreed
OMG!! I used to work with horses, and was really good at Squaring off the Muck heap,,,
even back then, I used to wonder about the heat and energy lost, whilst snow was steaming off, while the heap was composting!!
I am really surprised that this hasn't been made more accessible as information!!
And, I used to maintain the squared off Muck heaps,
so as to ensure that we didn't have any fires!!
I was often thinking that the heat could be captured with the use of water lines,,,,
Perhaps even the heat /cold generators (Peltier /Sterling?!)
I'm glad to see that this is being put to use!!
We would Start by tamping down the first, , then build up at one end, making "steps" up, and stomping them flat,
whilst continuing the 1st end,
until this was the correct height of about 6ft high,step down a foot, about a yard, in length
and so on.
Eventually, the composted material was sold on to gardeners, and we'd keep circulating the compost and raw Muck and Straw....
There wasn't ever any problems with Unpleasant odours.
Back at home, I did keep my own two stables, one Muck heap easily heated, during winter, my elderly glass house, at a decent temperature, even keeping a couple of grapevines, amongst other things growing well in the NW, UK!!!!
What a Dingbatt! This information has been around for ages. I clearly remember an article in 1980 by Reader’s Digest about Jean Pain. This
Publication is known throughout the English speaking world.
Jean Pain's feedstock was machined forest wastes. It was far from being merely woodchips. it would have had a lot of leaf, bark, weeds, vines and many other things that are removed when reducing the fuel hazard and doing general forest management tasks. Woodchips made from just the woody parts of a tree are mostly carbon, lignin and cellulous, but brushwood that is cut and mashed, as was done in jeans machine, is entirely more nutritious and structurally suitable for composting and methane making than simple wood.
It is amazing that these heaps that you show could be anaerobic soon after turning. Usually if a material is that wet, it is too wet to turn well. But one thing is certain. unprotected compost heaps will burn away in the sun and evaporate goodness. They need to be mulched and covered with breathable material because by doing this well you will save about a quarter of your production.
No, the feedstock was fresh, green under brush which automatically has more energy content than the dead material. Jean Pain, himself cautioned against taking the detritus.
You are capturing the water and recycling it to continuing the process. However, you are doing nothing with the CO2. The is a gross inefficiency of the system.
@@estebancorral5151This was a good question you asked! The answer is simple maths. Left to its own devices nature would put the oxygen, carbon, nitrogen cycles into balance. But humans have decided to burn the house down. We are burning millions of years of evolution in an orgy of self destruction. Build a log cabin. Make wooden tools. Make compost. Stop setting fire to the planet. Let plants put the CO2 back into the soil.
@@johnkilgallon207 you are obfuscating the issue. Composting is an accelerated biodegradation with the interference and control of man. In this case, the CO2 is not being used which is a waste. Your response provides no resolution. You have left a clue that you maybe a Briton-“maths.” If you are going to to use the abbreviation of mathematics just say math and rid your self of an unnecessary /s./
@@estebancorral5151 wrong he has an American accent and references locations in US. In any event why don’t you make your own video instead of criticizing others?
Great course. Thank You
This is awesome info, and new to me. I think I'll do a bit of back yard experimenting. thank you so much for the introduction to compost power.
Great presentation, very informative. No mentioning of peeing on the compost pile as a source of nitrogen and of course moisture.
The insulated shed composting set up could instead be a basement under the greenhouse with ventilation to the outside with vent pipes. The heat would rise up to the greenhouse.
If you're considering vertical farming, that's a winning concept... You could even have a greenhouse with several levels.
This is great work and thinking of the future.
Really awesome !
Great info here I have a small like 220 c/ft greenhouse for citrus tree that produce and will be using a compost box as a pre heater in my 30ft of hose at 5 feet down exchanger. VT is a great state had fun there near Manchester ctr years back.
If you can succesfully capture methane can be captured you also can add a 3rd layer of energy and or income.
You can. It is called the Jean Pain Method.
@@estebancorral5151 yes that is a great method indeed.
Thanks for all the great information.
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Very informative. Many thanks!
Thank you for the great information
Amazing information! Thank you!!!
I cuurently have 8-9 yards of compost in process on my mini farm, with plans to increase to 12. I've never captured any of the heat, but you've got me thinking...
Great stuff, thank you for sharing
Excellent!
THANK YOU!!
Man this is completely insane
You can add some apple cider vinegar to the pile to help keep it active.
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Really good explanation
Bring this up to a mayor and council, they'll breath deep and act like it cost too much and you should shut up......but they think spending money makes them important.
Thank you for this great information. 👍🏽
Would be great if you could add some contact information in the comments, please. 😃
Suck air from top down so that no water draw up into the vacuum machine and also draw up the heat. the heated air then enter the botom ground of a green house. Cover the entire ground with charcoal or better activated carbon so that when hot air enter the green house, odor can be filtered. Or let charcoal in a container of the pipe systm as a filter, then the filtered air with methane can be burned at the final stage of the exit.
💥BANG!!! 💥✨🚭🔥
At a guess, but I am only going on the Stables Much Heap!
Sorry if this is a silly question: does composting release more BTUs/energy because it does not emit any light, unlike combustion ?
That would seem to me to be a sensible explanation as to why there is more energy ‘available’
Interesting point. You may be onto something. Also, how about the sound emitted from some forms of combustion? At least internal combustion engines sure emits a lot. Engines are obviously used for work, which brings up another possibility -- is some energy lost to physical force in combustion that isn't lost in composting?
Another possible explanation that I wonder about: combustion doesn't utilize nitrogen from the atmosphere as a part of the chemical reaction like composting does. A significant portion of the energy in the process seems to come from atmospheric nitrogen being fixed and consumed by the microbes. This could help to explain how even though there must be losses from the biological process, there still the same Btu produced from composting and combustion.
No. The system used to liberate heat is cellular respiration which which is many times more efficient than combustion. As human, you are using this system to live. The microbes in feedstock use this system. They have a problem though. There bodies have a low surface to volume ratio which makes it hard to remove their excess heat. By providing them with artificial ventilation, you are preventing them from dying off from their own gluttony.
Interested in utilizing in barn bioreactors for supplemental heat during the winter months.
@29:00 the heat exchangers described seem to be heat pipes.
I note this because a heat pipe need not be a high end manufactured product, but can be relatively simple.
Side note, turning on close captioning would help people that are hard of hearing.
Is it possible to have the biofilter be compost of the same composition and size as the source pile? Then reverse the flow every once in a while to keep the twin piles' moisture balanced (and possibly help to keep the lines clear)? Since the biofilter is basically just a positive-pressure aerated pile?
Is it necessary to use the Isobar® air-to-water heat exchanger or can one just use a commercially available air-to-air heat exchanger like from an air-source heat pump? This would probably work better at smaller/residential scales since it would also have the air-source heat-pump to compensate for whenever the compost gets too cool to suffice.
Completed compost is the best bio-filter. It is almost humus. You are wrong that the system has to use positive displacement. The German inventor Anton Flettner proved that negative pressure is eight times more efficient. He had an ephany while on vacation looking at sail boats in Kiel, Germany.
I cut down 25 trees and much of it was chipped into my woods. After two weeks the pile is steaming hot already.
Yes, but you are not regulating the heat to speed up the process or to put the heat into some other application which is useful. You are a proponent of the status quo.
Thanks much
I have a question about negative air flow composing. The question is asked in your video about inches of water column relative to cfm. We have built a system but have been unable to find information about the proper inches of water column. Could you supply this information please? Thank you for your time.
Awesome information, is there anything at a smaller household scale for the compost heatwagon?
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why is this not everywhere?
very neat
Why not use black tubing that is used in the geothermal systems?
The heat transfers is very much greater.
is there any one my husband and I can contact, we are building a green house this spring/summer/fall and a looking for alternative heat sources to help grow year round. thank you!!
Did you find a solution? What growing zone are you in?
Why isn't any carbon from maybe a fire pit used to absorb smells?
Honestly, there aren't any smells. The pile heats high enough and fast enough that there is no smell. There is only a smell if the balance of carbon to nitrogen and oxygen is off.
I'm confused: you say compost needs to have a fan to avoid the oder, but then you say that you just fan it to a room with wood chips to absorb the smell.
Couldn't I just add more woodchips to the pile to eliminate the stench?
Also, you say that the greenhouse that is attached to the compost pile had an awful oder, but you said he used chicken manure. What if you just composted plants?
on another video, saved in my playlist "fire" and/or "gardening" a person is using just a pile of leafs on one side of his greenhouse and says its enough and has stopped the use of his woodburner that he had installed there. i believe he said that there was coming like 30 degrees celcius from the side in the winter
other people say manure is producing like 300w for a ton
I thought elaine ingham said if it stinks its anaerobic and not working correctly?
@@jesuschristislordoflordsan427 It depends on what is being composted, and what system is being used...
Also,, these compost heaps need to be managed.
I hope this helps. Andrea XxX
Interesting
Bat Guano 8 - Nitrogen for heating up pile ..... Sourced Sumatra.... Tropical Biology? Risky introducing to west Michigan soil biology?
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Great presentation! I would like to create compost on a small scale to improve the fertility of the soil.. I will email my questions. Thank you! Shelia Gibson
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