Fact Checking: Cleopatra is a Greek name. Her ancestry was Northern Greek (Kingdom of Macedon). Her mother tongue was Greek although she was a polyglot. Paintings, sculptures etc. demonstrate that she was Greek. This ridiculous Afro-centric revisionism is not a documentary but pure fiction.
@@TheArtOfWarStrategy My point is that everything about Cleopatra was Greeek. As for Egypt, the Egyptians never called it Egypt but Kemet. Also, no Egyptian was ever named Cleopatra, because the etymology means nothing in Egyptian. It is a Greek word.
She even named her children after Greek divinities , Helios and Selene . She identified herself with the Egyptian Goddess Isis , but by that time the Egyptian deities were syncretized with Greek ones and often shown in Hellenistic fashion . Do your research Netflix , Cleopatra was a Ptolemy of Greek Macedonian descent !
They already did their research and they know but this topic didn't serve their agenda for our young generation... Please notice this is a documentary!!
Go to a museum sometime. Travel even... Cleopatra was GREEK. Greeks, strangely enough are not from subsaharran Africa. This is like have a story about an Indian princess with the main character played by a Chinese actress.
The coins are not a true representation of her that's why they are not taken serious. At that time depictions on coins were altered to make the person look more powerful. She has been known as a Tawny Moor for hundreds of years and the actress playing the movie is mixed thus fitting the bill as a mixed tawny Moor
@Brandocious No one is the color black so no she wouldn’t be black. She has been known as a Tawny Moor for hundreds of years. Moor for hundreds of years meant Negro well that’s pretty easy to figure out but a lot of people are too lazy to learn anything
All you guys somehow love Cleopatra so much crying and acting stupid but I guarantee you either think ancient Greece was all white when ancient Greek writers contradict that and you think the Ptolemy family line was pure which it wasn't but Google may tell you that lie of course.
Nice played Wion. Last queen of greek speaking dynasty. In other words- Wion is cowardly kowtowing to those Afrocentrists they mentioned and is refusing to call a lie a lie, to acknowledge even such a well documented historical fact like ethnicity of Cleopatra VII and whole Ptolemaic dynasty and spinelessly decided to muddle the waters instead. Those greek speaking dynasts and Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt were actually ethnic Macedonians or Macedonian Greeks, they weren't just greek speaking entities of dubious origin and uncertain skin colour. They were, partially thanks to adopting native incestuous tradition, 100% South Eastern Europeans.
Lol. Cleopatra was known as one of the most beautiful woman there was. But this one is nowhere even near to be called a top beauty. Netflix must be pretty drunk to find this one to cast her as Cleopatra
@@Alexs.2599 a myth that we love to see in movies. If i want reality,then i can see that in my daily life. I don’t watch movies to remind me of the the real world.
And let me add this, this is not the first time the "Arab Republic of Egypt" revealed it's racist bigotry, for they acted the same way when African American actor, Louis Gossett, Jr. was cast as Egyptian president Anwar Sadat whose mother was Black Sudanese. As long as Black people are cast as slaves, servants, or jinns in the Arab world they wouldn't care if the Black actor was from Sudan, Nigeria, or Harlem... Yet, there are still popular Arab comedians stereotyping Black people in blackface on Arab variety shows!
If Cleopatra was Egyptian, Persian or Greek. Take a look at how the current, modern people appearance are, then that's what she would most likely look like. I'm sure she was not Black or White.
Why would the current population tell us about the ancient one? Most importantly, Cleopatra ancestors engaged in incest to retain their Greek identity. Cleopatra literally married her brother as did all of her older ancestors😅😅why you people not talking about that
@@Alexs.2599 So you love Cleopatra so much but think she was white but throughout the ages she was known as a Tawny Moor. Somehow you love Cleopatra so much but don't even know basics
That old woman in netflix: i dont care what the medias told you but jada pinkett smith told me that greta thunberg is black. greta: what you say???how dare you😂 that old woman in netflix: upppps,i mean cleopatra 😂😂😂😂😂😂
She was not born in Alexandria Egypt she was Greek every historian agrees upon that, but she lived most of her life in Egypt so if Egypt is trying to get a debate about truth they should not try to steal her origin from Greece, themselves. she came from the same area as Alexander the Great who ofc was Greek too and gave rise to the city name of Alexandria in Egypt as so many other cities in Egypt that has Greek names why can not the world stop lying about earlier history that has been proven beyond doubt.
Ancient Greeks And Ancient Romans were Mediterannean people just like Ancient Persians, Ancient Assyrians, Ancient Arabs, And Ancient Egyptians usually they had olive skin to light brown mocha skin flows they were not pasty White Non Med Europeans Nor were they very dark Sub Saharan Africans Nor Desis they were neatly baked bread not uncooked doe nor burnt crisp.
Though the Ptolemies were Greeks, ancient Greece was an empire not a monolithic race, and we know from sculptures and paintings that Black Africans resided in Ancient Greece. And from examining the remains of Cleopatra's half-sister, Arsinoë IV, it was revealed that she was mixed with African ancestry which suggest that the Ptolemies, in their 300 year rule, mixed with the indigenous population (which would not be unusual). And to honest, if anything, it were the ancient Greek invaders who were one of the original appropriators of this ancient African culture (Egypt is in Africa!)
IT SHOULD be known that history, in matter of fact, is information about human social organization, which itself is identical with world civilization. It deals with such conditions affecting the nature of civilization as, for instance, savagery and sociability, group feelings, and the different ways by which one group of human beings achieves superiority over another It deals with royal authority and the dynasties that result (in this manner) and with the various ranks that exist within them. (It further deals) with the different kinds of gainful occupations and ways of making a living, with the sciences and crafts that human beings pursue as part of their activities and efforts, and with all the other institutions that originate in civilization through its very nature. Untruth naturally afflicts historical information. There are various reasons that make this unavoidable. One of them is partisanship for opinions and schools. If the soul is impartial in receiving information, it devotes to that information the share of critical investigation the information deserves, and its truth or untruth thus becomes clear. However, if the soul is infected with partisanship for a particular opinion or sect, it accepts without a moment's hesitation the information that is agreeable to it. Prejudice and partisanship obscure the critical faculty and preclude critical investigation. The result is that falsehoods are accepted and transmitted. Another reason making untruth unavoidable in historical information is reliance upon transmitters. Investigation of this subject belongs to (the theological discipline of) personality criticism.2 Another reason is unawareness of the purpose of an event. Many a transmitter does not know the real significance of his observations or of the things he has learned about orally. He transmits the information, attributing to it the significance he assumes or imagines it to have. The result is falsehood. Another reason is unfounded assumption as to the truth of a thing. This is frequent. It results mostly from reliance upon transmitters. Another reason is ignorance of how conditions conform with reality. 2a Conditions are affected by ambiguities and artificial distortions. The informant reports the conditions as he saw them but on account of artificial distortions he himself has no true picture of them. Another reason is the fact that people as a rule approach great and high ranking persons with praise and encomiums. They embellish conditions and spread the fame (of great men). The information made public in such cases is not truthful. Human souls long for praise, and people pay great attention to this world and the positions and wealth it offers. As a rule, they feel no desire for virtue and have no special interest in virtuous people. Another reason making untruth unavoidable - and this one is more powerful than all the reasons previously mentioned is ignorance of the nature of the various conditions arising in civilization. Every event (or phenomenon), whether (it comes into being in connection with some) essence or (as the result of an) action, must inevitably possess a nature peculiar to its essence as well as to the accidental conditions that may attach themselves to it. If the student knows the nature of events and the circumstances and requirements in the world of existence, it will help him to distinguish truth from untruth in investigating the historical information critically. This is more effective in critical investigation than any other aspect that may be brought up in connection with it. Students often happen to accept and transmit absurd information that,......... -Ibn Khaldun (a great Arab historian!) The Muqaddimah Frank Rosenthal translation (I suggest you read the abridged and unabridged versions and compare to see how political the making of two versions is.
I see statues for pharouhs in egypt The statues do not look like black africans but in fact it look like egyptians And egyptians do not look arabs People in nuba And sudan do not look like black of west And south africa Even the egyptian pyramids in egypt do not look like the pyramids in sudan I have eyes, i can see well
While I understand the point about historic accuracy, there wouldn't be an outrage if a darker skinned historic character is played by a light skinned person onscreen.
When Zoe Saldana played the life story of Nina Simone, there was definitely outrage for light-skin washing Nina Simone. The actress had to wear "black" make-up. So Zoe Saldana has played the role of a "blue" person, "green" person, and a "black" person in terms of coloration. There were no "lawsuits" over it though.
@@Rick-fe8xn But again she wasn't African in her heritage. Of course ancient Egyptian artists depicted the Ptolemies in the style of their civilization. They had to but the Ptolemies were a foreign dynasty. They assimilated to Egyptian culture and practices but they weren't actually Egyptian by blood. Still their skin tone in the wall art is tanned olive skin not brown.
Lmaooo, people act like there were no Africans in Mesopotamia lmaooo. Africans can speak Greek lol. Just because you speak greek doesn't mean your skin is of European color. Her father was a illegitimate child with Egyptian roots. Egypt is after all located in the Northeastern part of Africa...I mean not saying just saying lol.
Where exactly did you get this evidence. What we DO know is her family were Greek and married each other to retain their Greek ancestry. Yes. Brothers marrying sisters. Cleopatra married her brother. You think rulers have to intermixed with the local population? So all Europeans who colonized Africa intermarriage with the local population? What is wrong with her being Greek? There are plenty of other African quuens. Why focus on Cleopatra?
Well black is not coloured...black is absence of colour...and if this stupidity continues they might starting hating it too...people are colour and black race are different. Middle eastern egyptian asian everyone hates when culture is stolen...
There are middle eastern with light skin and blue eyes too, Jesus is depicted in many different races by different people if u care to look and God doesn't cars about race
People need to STOP thinking that all BLACK people are from AFRICA. People of colour have history on ALL continents. Cleopatra was of a mixed heritage, most likely Phoenician origin as a lot of Egyptians were. Like today, nations were of all shades and hues at the time, even in Greece. In fact she introduced the GREEKS into Egypt when she married Mark Anthony (HYKSOS DYNASTY) stop making Race an issue it is a social construct, NOT AN HISTORICAL ONE. Do your own research!
The Phoenicans were not black. They were Syrians. Marc Anthony was not Greek but Roman. It is well established that Cleopatra was Greek and her ancestors retained their bloodlines by literally marrying each other. Yes. Incest. Brother marrying sisters. Cleopatra was married to her brother. So😂
Africa is gigantic, but Ancient Egytians weren't all "black". The murals in tomb of Seti I prove there were people of every skin tone even over a thousand years before Kleopatra VII's time. Kleopatra VII did not appear "black"/Sub-Saharan or Nubian. She appeared Greek, with some Persian traits.
@@BrandoFresho Yes 14 - 21% subsaharan modern Egypt while ancient had 6 - 15%! The rest is near east and eastern Europe! There you are Egyptians were never african!
The Ptolemies were ethnically Greek. You are correct she would not have been white, nor would she have been black. She would have been tanned or olive skinned, as Greeks who live in sun touched countries are.
@@Manfrommars808 most Greeks I know are white to tanned, but all tan easily and quickly in the sun. Cleopatra spent her life living in sun touched Egypt without sun block, so would’ve almost certainly been heavily tanned unless she specifically avoided being out in the sun ..
The idea that she was black is not afrocentric. It's really coming from europeans own history books. Look at the ptolemaic family tree according to the 14th century occitan manuscript chronicle of the world in Avignon in the british library. The painting even looks similar to the ones depicting the great African king mansa Musa in the same time period.
@@shelbydavis3311 According to my experience the most ignorance comes from Caucasian Americans.Atleast europeans understand but American Caucasians are still in denial.
@@shelbydavis3311 it's usually African injecting themselves in native european history in name of forced diversity and representation by blackwashing historically white characters from fiction to factual history while vice versa isn't tolerated. And North Africa is quite different from sub saharan Africa with it's history and people more related to Europeans and Middle eastern since it was also ruled by Romans, Greeks, Turks and Arabs etc for centuries. Cleopatra was descendant of Alexander the great's general making her Greek or mixed at best. North Africans are mostly mixed tanned brown caucasian people not pure black or white although their gene pool is closer to Mediterranean european, Arab etc.
It's alot more than that through, if JFK was played by an Asian, Obama a White guy (Tbh Obama is just White JFK) or Martin Luther K a Korean corss dresser there's going to be an obvious issue...
Just simply stating the reactions I saw made in the comments on the subject of skin tone alone. NOT on subjects of these replies please don't get it twisted or extrapolate. I agree accuracy and respect is paramount and perception (via Netflix, entertainment etc.) has been/trying to change fact completely to counter the ladder.
@@westtxmutt that’s what most evidence leads , that she was Greek , not African , honestly this topic shouldn’t even be at discussion, many evidences show that cleopatra was indeed Greek and had white skin , if you really don’t want black people “ left out “ , why not make a documentary about ACTUAL black queens like in Ethiopia ?
Netflix black washes once more
Fact Checking: Cleopatra is a Greek name. Her ancestry was Northern Greek (Kingdom of Macedon). Her mother tongue was Greek although she was a polyglot. Paintings, sculptures etc. demonstrate that she was Greek. This ridiculous Afro-centric revisionism is not a documentary but pure fiction.
Sphinx is Greek a name Egypt is a Greek name what's your point
@@TheArtOfWarStrategy My point is that everything about Cleopatra was Greeek. As for Egypt, the Egyptians never called it Egypt but Kemet. Also, no Egyptian was ever named Cleopatra, because the etymology means nothing in Egyptian. It is a Greek word.
Correct!
We all know she was of Greek descent. The question is was she dark or fair?
@@AB3Designif she was greek then she definitely wasn't dark. She was probably fair or at most slightly tan but definitely not black
She even named her children after Greek divinities , Helios and Selene . She identified herself with the Egyptian Goddess Isis , but by that time the Egyptian deities were syncretized with Greek ones and often shown in Hellenistic fashion . Do your research Netflix , Cleopatra was a Ptolemy of Greek Macedonian descent !
They already did their research and they know but this topic didn't serve their agenda for our young generation... Please notice this is a documentary!!
Her name was also greek
Why can't Cleopatra be played by a man?
Whoa, be more open jeez.....they should have been played by a fluid, non binary, dragonkin, furry type.....it's so obvious....gosh so close minded...
Hahahha that's probably next.
That will be Part 3 Cleo turns woke trans
Yes. She was trans after all.
It's coming dear god in this screwed up country it's coming
Go to a museum sometime.
Travel even...
Cleopatra was GREEK.
Greeks, strangely enough are not from subsaharran Africa.
This is like have a story about an Indian princess with the main character played by a Chinese actress.
Rude! It's called 'Native American'.
@@tjohanne ...Not when they're from India 😉
This is like making a documentary about Elon Musk, and having a black guy portraying him.
@@zombeaver4853 Or MLK, but it's George Clooney playing him 🤦♂️
Big time wrong.....she wasn't pale skin with blue eyes. She was dark skin and dark hair
Cleoptra was very clearly not a black women she had almost entirely greek blood and heritage.
Netflix is too obsessed with 🖤
So is Disney.
There’s coins and statues or cleopatra from her time. Depictions of her as being black are false
The ultimate cope
The coins are not a true representation of her that's why they are not taken serious. At that time depictions on coins were altered to make the person look more powerful. She has been known as a Tawny Moor for hundreds of years and the actress playing the movie is mixed thus fitting the bill as a mixed tawny Moor
@Brandocious No one is the color black so no she wouldn’t be black. She has been known as a Tawny Moor for hundreds of years. Moor for hundreds of years meant Negro well that’s pretty easy to figure out but a lot of people are too lazy to learn anything
@Cobi Cobi But her family Tree IS taken seriously as it was proof of linage...then and NOW. EVERY Royal or Noble has them
SHE IS SOUTH KOREAN
...Christopher Columbus was black and Julian Ceasar Chinese..
Your history is horrible. Julius Caesar was Polynesian, Columbus was Russian
@@hmurchison8123 You would know right? Your grandmother said so.
C.W. King Antique Gems and Rings pg 326 (1872) " As late as the 16th Century Cleopatra was regarded as a Negro woman"
All you guys somehow love Cleopatra so much crying and acting stupid but I guarantee you either think ancient Greece was all white when ancient Greek writers contradict that and you think the Ptolemy family line was pure which it wasn't but Google may tell you that lie of course.
@@cobicobi6417 learn history
Tupac was white!. I’m claiming Tupac to be of my race, no taksies backsies.
Why, he was a prick
The most she could be was a lil tan...but definitely not black..
Fact check: the cashier at dollar tree is named Cleopatra Bookesha shawaundra
Does this cashier even know the meaning of her name or its origins?
Ancient Greek depictions of Greeks on their own artifacts suggest that they were also BLACK Greeks. ...
Cleopatra had Greek heritage...she might have been mix but surely not black
that woman is mixed
@@matthewmark7224 we all are! Lol!
Stop lying. She was black as the ace of spades
@Brandocious There is plenty.
Her only mixed genes are some persian anscestory nothing else
Next up for Pinkett Smith, the life of Greek actress Melina Mecouri as played by Cardi B.
The actress still beautiful tho regardless whether she was black or fair.
That moment, when you take Netflix seriously. I mean support your neighbor's low-budget short film, instead of supporting this eternal nonsense!
netflix is sick
CLEOPATRA was a Greek. Stop trying culturally appropriate my culture and spread a false narrative.
Ptolemy was her father she was of Egyptian lineage.......please Research......the apocrypha has it all......that's the truth
@@shelbydavis3311 nope sire...She had Greek heritage...I'm sure
@@shelbydavis3311 The Ptolemies were a Macedonian dynasty founded by Alexander the Great’s generally Ptolemy I, who was from Greece, fool.
@@shelbydavis3311 CLEOPATRA was a Greek. Stop trying culturally appropriate my culture and spread a false narrative.
If she was Greek she wouldn't survive a week in Egypt
Netflix is Horrible... Cleopatra was a Macedonian
Nice played Wion. Last queen of greek speaking dynasty. In other words- Wion is cowardly kowtowing to those Afrocentrists they mentioned and is refusing to call a lie a lie, to acknowledge even such a well documented historical fact like ethnicity of Cleopatra VII and whole Ptolemaic dynasty and spinelessly decided to muddle the waters instead.
Those greek speaking dynasts and Ptolemaic rulers of Egypt were actually ethnic Macedonians or Macedonian Greeks, they weren't just greek speaking entities of dubious origin and uncertain skin colour. They were, partially thanks to adopting native incestuous tradition, 100% South Eastern Europeans.
😂😂😂😂
AMEN
And when they didn't practice incest, they only married Greeks
If cleopatric can be black...can rosa parks be white? By this thought process it should be completely fine yes? Im open to feedback. 🍿😏
I'm waiting for an Asian female actor to play Nelson Mandela.
C.W. King Antique Gems and Rings written 1872 pg 326 " As late as the 16th Century, Cleopatra was regarded as a Negro woman"
Why does netfilix blackwash everything
Lol. Cleopatra was known as one of the most beautiful woman there was. But this one is nowhere even near to be called a top beauty. Netflix must be pretty drunk to find this one to cast her as Cleopatra
the statue they shoed was ugly
Actually she wasn't a great beauty. She was charismatic and charming but the great beauty thing is a myth.
@@Alexs.2599 a myth that we love to see in movies. If i want reality,then i can see that in my daily life. I don’t watch movies to remind me of the the real world.
@@Patrick-cc7qm That's fine, I'm just saying in real life she wasn't physically beautiful.
She was a Greek, she wasn’t Egyptian so why are the Egyptians mad again? She’s not one of them. She’s a Greek who sat on Egypt’s throne.
She herself was of Greek Descent. fun fact Greeks also played an important role in the North western Indian history
Lmao. This is like having an Indian princess in a movie be played by a Chinese actress. I mean, they're both Asians, no? 🤣
for every one saying Cleopatra was greek my dear do your research they have never found her dead body, let alone a grave for her nor her children.
Wokeness is disgusting and people will look back one day on this sick culture and hopefully rewrite it the way it was in the first place
And let me add this, this is not the first time the "Arab Republic of Egypt" revealed it's racist bigotry, for they acted the same way when African American actor, Louis Gossett, Jr. was cast as Egyptian president Anwar Sadat whose mother was Black Sudanese. As long as Black people are cast as slaves, servants, or jinns in the Arab world they wouldn't care if the Black actor was from Sudan, Nigeria, or Harlem... Yet, there are still popular Arab comedians stereotyping Black people in blackface on Arab variety shows!
If Cleopatra was Egyptian, Persian or Greek. Take a look at how the current, modern people appearance are, then that's what she would most likely look like. I'm sure she was not Black or White.
Why would the current population tell us about the ancient one? Most importantly, Cleopatra ancestors engaged in incest to retain their Greek identity. Cleopatra literally married her brother as did all of her older ancestors😅😅why you people not talking about that
You 1st need to understand how the many ruling Dynasty's around the Mediterranean chose to procreate.
It's about "royals" not the population.
@@joebutta7539 I did mentioned that on my rebuttal to @S. B. I said there maybe a few people who may look different due to invasion and intermixing.
She was still Caucasian. She had olive skin.
@@Alexs.2599 So you love Cleopatra so much but think she was white but throughout the ages she was known as a Tawny Moor. Somehow you love Cleopatra so much but don't even know basics
I already want to see Chris Hemsworth playing Nelson Mandela in a movie
Cleopatre is actually Indian from Bharatkastan
Black people don’t claim Cleopatra anyway…we know our people. She wasn’t Kemite
she was very seductress for the white skin romans and beauty queen for Egyptians therefore she must be a Indian type tan colored woman.🙏
Lol
Don't bring Indians into this. Indians have their own , much older civilization that has nothing to do with Africa or Europe
@@s.b626he was talking about skin color idiot, first read the comment carefully 😒😒😒
@@s.b626only in skin color but does not mean she indian. not all indian looking woman in egypt,south america,middle east etc are Indians.
Oh no don't being us indians....we are happy with our vast history.... Which is too much to take in...
That old woman in netflix: i dont care what the medias told you but jada pinkett smith told me that greta thunberg is black.
greta: what you say???how dare you😂
that old woman in netflix: upppps,i mean cleopatra
😂😂😂😂😂😂
But she was after the Macedonia conquest and "Alexandria" so how Egyptian had the Greek monarchs become by the time she was on the scene?
She was not born in Alexandria Egypt she was Greek every historian agrees upon that, but she lived most of her life in Egypt so if Egypt is trying to get a debate about truth they should not try to steal her origin from Greece, themselves. she came from the same area as Alexander the Great who ofc was Greek too and gave rise to the city name of Alexandria in Egypt as so many other cities in Egypt that has Greek names why can not the world stop lying about earlier history that has been proven beyond doubt.
what a great insult to ancient egypt
No surprise thete. Many people on the African continent prefer a Eouocentric history. Colonial mind-bending...
No you will find African Americans and blacks livingin Europe are obsess with it heck the women even walk about in wigs and false eyelashes!!
Cleopatra was Greek for f*cks sake , she wasn’t black .
Cleopatra was Greek and Persian
Ancient Greeks And Ancient Romans were Mediterannean people just like Ancient Persians, Ancient Assyrians, Ancient Arabs, And Ancient Egyptians usually they had olive skin to light brown mocha skin flows they were not pasty White Non Med Europeans Nor were they very dark Sub Saharan Africans Nor Desis they were neatly baked bread not uncooked doe nor burnt crisp.
Though the Ptolemies were Greeks, ancient Greece was an empire not a monolithic race, and we know from sculptures and paintings that Black Africans resided in Ancient Greece. And from examining the remains of Cleopatra's half-sister, Arsinoë IV, it was revealed that she was mixed with African ancestry which suggest that the Ptolemies, in their 300 year rule, mixed with the indigenous population (which would not be unusual). And to honest, if anything, it were the ancient Greek invaders who were one of the original appropriators of this ancient African culture (Egypt is in Africa!)
Thats not up for debate or voting. Get facts straight.
IT SHOULD be known that history, in matter of fact, is information about
human social organization, which itself is identical with world civilization. It deals
with such conditions affecting the nature of civilization as, for instance, savagery
and sociability, group feelings, and the different ways by which one group of human
beings achieves superiority over another It deals with royal authority and the
dynasties that result (in this manner) and with the various ranks that exist within
them. (It further deals) with the different kinds of gainful occupations and ways of
making a living, with the sciences and crafts that human beings pursue as part of
their activities and efforts, and with all the other institutions that originate in
civilization through its very nature.
Untruth naturally afflicts historical information. There are various reasons
that make this unavoidable. One of them is partisanship for opinions and schools. If
the soul is impartial in receiving information, it devotes to that information the share
of critical investigation the information deserves, and its truth or untruth thus
becomes clear. However, if the soul is infected with partisanship for a particular opinion or sect, it accepts without a moment's hesitation the information that is
agreeable to it. Prejudice and partisanship obscure the critical faculty and preclude
critical investigation. The result is that falsehoods are accepted and transmitted.
Another reason making untruth unavoidable in historical information is
reliance upon transmitters. Investigation of this subject belongs to (the theological
discipline of) personality criticism.2
Another reason is unawareness of the purpose of an event. Many a
transmitter does not know the real significance of his observations or of the things
he has learned about orally. He transmits the information, attributing to it the
significance he assumes or imagines it to have. The result is falsehood.
Another reason is unfounded assumption as to the truth of a thing. This is
frequent. It results mostly from reliance upon transmitters.
Another reason is ignorance of how conditions conform with reality. 2a
Conditions are affected by ambiguities and artificial distortions. The informant
reports the conditions as he saw them but on account of artificial distortions he
himself has no true picture of them.
Another reason is the fact that people as a rule approach great and high ranking persons with praise and encomiums. They embellish conditions and spread
the fame (of great men). The information made public in such cases is not truthful.
Human souls long for praise, and people pay great attention to this world and the
positions and wealth it offers. As a rule, they feel no desire for virtue and have no
special interest in virtuous people.
Another reason making untruth unavoidable - and this one is more powerful
than all the reasons previously mentioned is ignorance of the nature of the various
conditions arising in civilization. Every event (or phenomenon), whether (it comes
into being in connection with some) essence or (as the result of an) action, must
inevitably possess a nature peculiar to its essence as well as to the accidental
conditions that may attach themselves to it. If the student knows the nature of events
and the circumstances and requirements in the world of existence, it will help him to
distinguish truth from untruth in investigating the historical information critically.
This is more effective in critical investigation than any other aspect that may be
brought up in connection with it.
Students often happen to accept and transmit absurd information that,.........
-Ibn Khaldun (a great Arab historian!)
The Muqaddimah
Frank Rosenthal translation
(I suggest you read the abridged and unabridged versions and compare to see how political the making of two versions is.
I see statues for pharouhs in egypt The statues do not look like black africans but in fact it look like egyptians And egyptians do not look arabs
People in nuba And sudan do not look like black of west And south africa
Even the egyptian pyramids in egypt do not look like the pyramids in sudan
I have eyes, i can see well
There's just one fact in world:
We wuz kangz
Believe othhavise yall racist
While I understand the point about historic accuracy, there wouldn't be an outrage if a darker skinned historic character is played by a light skinned person onscreen.
I very much doubt so
It would be historicaly much more accurate.
When Zoe Saldana played the life story of Nina Simone, there was definitely outrage for light-skin washing Nina Simone. The actress had to wear "black" make-up. So Zoe Saldana has played the role of a "blue" person, "green" person, and a "black" person in terms of coloration. There were no "lawsuits" over it though.
The problem is that they tried to call it a "documentary"
Whataboutism much, huh?
Fact check: whoopie Goldberg and Michelle Obama look identical to Cleopatra.
Lmao
And honestly if you looked at the art done by the people of that time she looked brown skin in Everything literally
She was olive skinned not brown.
@Alexi S. I said the art work and paintings they did, it was the visual they created not us
@@Alexs.2599 people are going based on the art and the fact that it is africa
@@Rick-fe8xn No that's tanned olive skin being depicted not brown. There's a difference.
@@Rick-fe8xn But again she wasn't African in her heritage. Of course ancient Egyptian artists depicted the Ptolemies in the style of their civilization. They had to but the Ptolemies were a foreign dynasty. They assimilated to Egyptian culture and practices but they weren't actually Egyptian by blood. Still their skin tone in the wall art is tanned olive skin not brown.
Lmaooo, people act like there were no Africans in Mesopotamia lmaooo. Africans can speak Greek lol. Just because you speak greek doesn't mean your skin is of European color. Her father was a illegitimate child with Egyptian roots. Egypt is after all located in the Northeastern part of Africa...I mean not saying just saying lol.
Where exactly did you get this evidence. What we DO know is her family were Greek and married each other to retain their Greek ancestry. Yes. Brothers marrying sisters. Cleopatra married her brother. You think rulers have to intermixed with the local population? So all Europeans who colonized Africa intermarriage with the local population? What is wrong with her being Greek? There are plenty of other African quuens. Why focus on Cleopatra?
@@s.b626 from his grandma
Africa a massive continent, Ancient Egypt (the Mediterranean) had people of all skin tones. Some Dynasty's on the other hand interbred over and over.
Do the ptolemies look black to you 😂
Do the Egyptians dislike human of color?
No i just don't think they like history being rewritten.
anyone who are not white, is POC.. that including egyptian
they just didnt like hollywoke/wokeflix blackwashing history
Well black is not coloured...black is absence of colour...and if this stupidity continues they might starting hating it too...people are colour and black race are different. Middle eastern egyptian asian everyone hates when culture is stolen...
Yeah, the people that get mad at this also think Jesus has blue eyes 🙄
There are middle eastern with light skin and blue eyes too, Jesus is depicted in many different races by different people if u care to look and God doesn't cars about race
@@Anonymous-qb4vc that's because Blue eyes came from 1 person from the Black Sea area. There is 1 race Human, which comes in multiple skin tones.
I know jesus wasn't white just like Cleopatra isn't black lol.
@Berserker not probably it is proven fact by historians jesus is from middle east. Somewhere between Palestine or Israel back in the day
The was a melinated queen.
Period. 💯
Facts!
Martin Luther King was a tanned Arab
@Babar Ali 8 dan hit man. You killed me 😂😂👌👌👏👏
😂 your grandma must be so proud
Egypti and Ethiopia...Somalia and South Africa are on the same continent and all people native to it are Black
it does not mean Cleopatra was black, she was from Greek
😂
@@firetree2007 You had Black Greeks also.
@@TheBlacGhost2093 that does not mean Cleopatra must be one of them
Period. 💯
People need to STOP thinking that all BLACK people are from AFRICA. People of colour have history on ALL continents. Cleopatra was of a mixed heritage, most likely Phoenician origin as a lot of Egyptians were. Like today, nations were of all shades and hues at the time, even in Greece. In fact she introduced the GREEKS into Egypt when she married Mark Anthony (HYKSOS DYNASTY) stop making Race an issue it is a social construct, NOT AN HISTORICAL ONE. Do your own research!
The Phoenicans were not black. They were Syrians. Marc Anthony was not Greek but Roman. It is well established that Cleopatra was Greek and her ancestors retained their bloodlines by literally marrying each other. Yes. Incest. Brother marrying sisters. Cleopatra was married to her brother. So😂
Africa is gigantic, but Ancient Egytians weren't all "black". The murals in tomb of Seti I prove there were people of every skin tone even over a thousand years before Kleopatra VII's time.
Kleopatra VII did not appear "black"/Sub-Saharan or Nubian. She appeared Greek, with some Persian traits.
😂😂😂 a bunch demons pissed because they know their time is OVER!
Original Egyptians were Black people. The present Egyptians are immigrants from Arabia and some have Greek blood
She was brown !
@@Berserker-ep3rs the dark part of her eyes was which colour?
Most probably an Arabafrican
@@Berserker-ep3rs Genome sequencing says what?
@@BrandoFresho Yes 14 - 21% subsaharan modern Egypt while ancient had 6 - 15%! The rest is near east and eastern Europe! There you are Egyptians were never african!
@@BrandoFresho i arrest my case.😅😆😇
Cleopatra was not white. Egypt is Africa, and Cleopatra was African. Period.
The Ptolemies were ethnically Greek. You are correct she would not have been white, nor would she have been black. She would have been tanned or olive skinned, as Greeks who live in sun touched countries are.
@@gaunt1410 I thought greeks are white
@@Manfrommars808 most Greeks I know are white to tanned, but all tan easily and quickly in the sun. Cleopatra spent her life living in sun touched Egypt without sun block, so would’ve almost certainly been heavily tanned unless she specifically avoided being out in the sun ..
Another African American 🤣 wow what are they teaching you guys over there? Then again they also teach you lot that a man can be a woman.
No she was not all of her heritage was greek there is no historical evidence she was black another thing being black washed.
Do a DNA test. Most people would be shocked. Keep living, the truth will prevail. Have a wonderful day.
Apparently no confirmed tomb of any Ptolemaic ruler has been found, so it is imposibil to do any DNA test
Where's the body then
She wasn't even real😂😂😂
Tf? Cleopatra actually existed .
Are u drunk
Like your parents' love
Black . We don’t need sun tan . We don’t burn in sun. Be mad all you want.
Pretty sure that Europeans could never take over Africa due to sunny climate and (Checks political map of Africa in 1890) Ohhh, oh no.
I'm guessing you're black american? Haha bless you. Not the brightest bunch are you.
That has nothing to do with anything. Stop being childish!
The idea that she was black is not afrocentric.
It's really coming from europeans own history books.
Look at the ptolemaic family tree according to the 14th century occitan manuscript chronicle of the world in Avignon in the british library.
The painting even looks similar to the ones depicting the great African king mansa Musa in the same time period.
Thank you!!!! Europeans love to interject themselves in African history
@@shelbydavis3311 According to my experience the most ignorance comes from Caucasian Americans.Atleast europeans understand but American Caucasians are still in denial.
@@princezee5127 yeah and wakanda is real
@@shelbydavis3311 it's usually African injecting themselves in native european history in name of forced diversity and representation by blackwashing historically white characters from fiction to factual history while vice versa isn't tolerated. And North Africa is quite different from sub saharan Africa with it's history and people more related to Europeans and Middle eastern since it was also ruled by Romans, Greeks, Turks and Arabs etc for centuries. Cleopatra was descendant of Alexander the great's general making her Greek or mixed at best. North Africans are mostly mixed tanned brown caucasian people not pure black or white although their gene pool is closer to Mediterranean european, Arab etc.
@@bluenick4577 you're bothered 😂
The reactions many have when discussing SKIN TONE is sad.
Reveals just how conditioned many have become.
It is not just skin tone.... It is cultural, ethnic and genetic identity that Netflix alters.
It's alot more than that through, if JFK was played by an Asian, Obama a White guy (Tbh Obama is just White JFK) or Martin Luther K a Korean corss dresser there's going to be an obvious issue...
If Netflix portrayed Nelson Mandela as white would you say it was just a matter of skin tone then ?
Just simply stating the reactions I saw made in the comments on the subject of skin tone alone.
NOT on subjects of these replies
please don't get it twisted or extrapolate.
I agree accuracy and respect is paramount and perception (via Netflix, entertainment etc.) has been/trying to change fact completely to counter the ladder.
@@Seventh7Art That's not true Cleopatra was known as a Tawny Moor the actress is a Tawny Moor as she is mixed.
Shut it!! This country has done this forever!! Whyte people playing people of color, Chinese, Latin etc
Those were not documentry... Cleopatra was historic figure and was not black
She was Indian
Don't drag Indians into this nonsense. Indians have their own muchore older and advanced civilization. It has nothing to do with Africa or Europe.
Nahh she was Pakistani
She was Bolivian
i know this is for fun but plz stop dragging us into this shit to any Egyptian or greek seeing this comment i am very sorry on behalf of this person
It's only entertainment! so one group doesn't feel left out.
It's a documentary
@@s.b626 a documentary of opinions
@@westtxmutt history cannot be based off opinions, if you going to make a documentary about a real life person ,everything has to be accurate.
@@antoniocarlosoliveira9146 accurate.! That's funny. Still someone elses view point.
@@westtxmutt that’s what most evidence leads , that she was Greek , not African , honestly this topic shouldn’t even be at discussion, many evidences show that cleopatra was indeed Greek and had white skin , if you really don’t want black people “ left out “ , why not make a documentary about ACTUAL black queens like in Ethiopia ?
Cleopatra. Our beautiful queen 👌👌👍👍👏👏