Be honest, is the efficiency in time saved connecting directly into camera worth the loss in quality not syncing audio to the video camera in post. Personally I say do both if the situation allows for it, that way you have a backup if something happens. Could you tell the difference between the two signals? (I also am kind of embarrassed it took me this long to think of connecting my audio gear this way directly into my camera so I would avoid the tedious task of syncing audio to video in post. ha!)
They sounded very much the same. I was using my F1 Field recorder as sort of a preamp before getting a rode mic. I just fed the audio straight into the camera. Huge time saver. There is another hack that works well when dealing with multiple cameras. I use a wireless remote that starts all the cameras recording at the same time. In post I just have to line the videos from each camera and I am done. No syncing required. This was a great video btw! Thank you.
I couldn't tell the difference and I have studio monitor speakers. Cool beans! I'm watching your video because I'm messing with my new ATEM Mini Pro and am figuring out the best setup(s) for audio. The ATEM has 4 HDMI inputs plus 2 Mic inputs, thus 6 places to input sound. I've hookup up a Rode Video Mic Pro, a simple Sennheiser Lav mic, the Sennheiser Wireless, and mics from the cameras. There's so many options, it's mind blowing. I'm watching your video and saying Hmmm! what do I do with my Zoom H5? Do I even need it?
It depends on the type of your film work. For UA-cam video, it is enough to sync audio directly into the camera. But, if you makes a short film or documentary for cinema screening purpose, I'd recommend to record audio, separately; so you can have more rooms to work on sound mix for better quality.
Dude! Sending line level audio to another mic pre-amp, no matter how much you have it turned down, still uses the camera's inferior mic pre-amp. Fujifilm cameras, like my X-S10, allows you to select the camera mic port to accept line level or mic level so you can avoid all this "gain staging" and bypass the cheap camera mic. pre-amp completely. So I use the line out of my Tascam Mixcast 4 or the line outs of my Zoom H6 or Tascam 70d and send this audio to the camera mic port that is selected to accept "line level" signals and get an awesome video complete with the highest quality audio baked into it. This is the only problem with Sony cameras IMHO is that you're stuck with using the mic preamp to an extent unless you buy the very expensive hot shoe XLR mic option. Consider doing a video explaining this advantage of Fuji products over the others. Thanks man!
There is a difference ! There is a background hiss when using the headphone out vs the sd card. More annoying and more work post but it’s better to record directly to the H6
I have found that I get more hiss when going wireless indicating that the hiss is more to do with the wireless transmission (if using a recorder with rode go’s etc) and not so much to do with using the earphone jack on the recorder. If you use a wired mic with the recorder you won’t have the hiss however it won’t be wireless but you’ll still avoid post syncing. Best practical solution is to turn your cameras input all the way down (if using a phone you’ll need an app that allows this like black magic etc) and adjust the output or input accordingly from the recorder.
i know this video is old but i put my headphones to listen to the test at the end and there there a huge difference, the signal into the camera had a high pitched signal noise that was very noticeable. Its enough of a difference for me to not change my work flow but thanks for testing this on our behalf
Great video man. I think it's important to point out that when using external line level audio into the camera, the mic/line option in the camera needs to be selected to line so as to bypass the camera's pre-amp as it's usually garbage. Even if the mic level is turned down substantially, you'll still have it "touch" the signal and that's not optimal. I go from the line out of my H1n or H5 right into my line in of my X-S10 and it sounds amazingly good. Then from there it's straight to YT so it's only processed once by YT. Thank you again for the demo sir.
For some cameras that aren’t really designed to handle line level signals well, replacing a standard cable with a line-to-mic level attenuation cable will make these setups less noisy. It switches the voltage to what the cameras handles well, probably just a resistor on the cable. If the audio sounds good it is good, so it is only something to buy if you are annoyed by differences in noise floor when connecting like this. If happy with the audio don’t get the cable :) “Professional” camcorders often have a switch or a menu option to set the input in line level mode. Like a attenuation cable but built into the camera. I got a case of tinnitus today, so I have zero clue if there was audible difference ;-)
from my ears I really like the audio straight into the camera for talking heads. the zoom h6 audio seemed "processed" which may fool some into thinking that's the better one... thanks for taking the time to create this video!
when it comes to the difference between straight to the card and straight to camera I believe you notice the difference where your outside or somewhere with more background noise. Then you start to notice how that preamp on the camera muddys the sound a bit. I tried this with my H4n contected to the line in on the camera.
Great video! You can also do the same thing using the Rode Wireless Go lav system whereby the transmitter connects to the H6 line out at the bottom, and the Rode receiver connects to the camera (on top of hot shoe) with the 3.5mm cable going to the camera's mic in port. By using the Rode Wireless Go lav system, you will receive wireless audio transmission so you don't have to mess with cables that you can trip over. Plus the Rode Wireless Go lav system can transmit wirelessly up to 150 feet away, it's quite amazing. Only downside is that it costs $200 for the system versus $15 for a long cable. I use this wireless Rode lav system with my Canon camera.
Yes, although you may be introducing latency in to your recording, even if it’s a frame or two off, the lip syncing may not work as well? This is because the wireless Go works of the 2.4GHz wifi band. It’s pretty decent but I’ve known these issues to occur. If it works for you, it works for you. Great way to stay safe if it’s not knocking your audio out from the visuals?
This definitely works as long as you crank down your in cam audio. For instance on my Canon 5d MK IV, I have turn it all the way down to the first notch. But the audio sounds almost identical between my Zoom H1 internal recording as it does to the audio sent to my 5d.
Solid video! I use a Sony A7III with Sennheiser G3 and tram TR-50 directly into the camera. I bring up gain on Sennheiser and put my camera volume to 1. It works awesome. Clients compliment me on audio sometimes. I usually record a bit lower and bring up audio in post. I am on here because I need to use two Sennheiser G3's and need a way to mix them. The Zoom H6 line out is the answer. Thank you for your video, I will get a Zoom H6. Huge plus that I will have a backup in case something happens. Nothing has ever happened because I am always checking chosen takes.
Going Into the camera sounded a little brighter to me (listening on Yamaha HS5s) but definitely nothing drastic. Sounds good either way. I found your video researching audio solutions and logically was thinking that you could actually do this. It just made sense. I haven't been seeing anyone do it until NOW. 😌 Thanks for this video.
Perfect! Great vid dude. To the point and clear! Literally was searching for this very set up. I'm going to be recording via my NIKON D850 (just a talking head video type of show. Nothing complex or crazy). I have a Shure sm7b, Cloudlifter, and Zoom H6. Was dreading having to sync audio and video in post and all that blah, blah, blah. I think, for what it is I'm doing, this will work absolutely fine. Many thanks.
I heard the diffrence only when i connected my professional headphones on. How many people will actually be listening on pro headphones and will they even notice it after adding sfx and background music.... I highly doubt it only when comparing side by side like this... Totally worth it for the workflow... Thanks for the review,very detailed and great info
Nice vid! I worked out the same method using a Tascam DR44wl. and a DJI pocket 2. The Tascam has reverb on board so I wanted to do do some quick and dirty song videos. I use a two-way adapter from the line out so that I can use headphones at the same time. Watching your video confirmed that it wasn't such a weird thing to do. Thanks a lot!
I absolutely love and appreciate humans like you Javier! Thank you, would love an in person studio help set up....COVID compliant of course :) Thank you for your tutorials. I will keep at it.
I bought an Olympus "field" recorder and Ive been messing around trying to get it to work with my Sony A7, then I found your video and hey presto it works. Brilliant and thanks! I don't know if it syncs but cant see any reason why not and it sounds awesome! For what its worth I set record level in A7 to 10 Olympus LS P1 (voice recorder) set to conference scene.
It’s always nice to setup and see if it sounds fine, some mic pres do better than others, but no harm in trying, thanks for checking out the other videos Mike!
oh lord, the amount of times i have a thousand different video clips and my H5 has one , one hour clip that just kills me to sync it all up!! It never occurred to me to do this as my last camera did not have a mic input! Now i just need to mount my zoom somewhere ! Thanks!
That’s how I came to this idea as well, spending all that time in edit syncing. Even if the quality may not be as good at least the signals are about the same so syncing is a breeze in post.
I tried to do this one time with my tascam, but the audio was horrible. So I got lazy and never tried again, so I just stuck to syncing audio in post. I think I may give this a try again. 👍🏽
So glad I watched this and such a great video! Although convenient, I will stick to recording into the SD to avoid the camera messing with the noise floor. I wish there was a way to mitigate that but only so much processing the camera can handle I guess and I would imagine it varies from camera to camera.
Excellent, thanks. I didn't notice a difference in the audio on my cheap 5.1 surround system. Unless you need the best and cleanest possible audio, using the headphone jack seems to work fine.
Awesome vid. Thank you. You always provide practical solutions, easy to follow and implement! Appreciate your efforts to share with us. Please keep it up!
Great tutorial as always my guy! I don't mind syncing audio in post but when you have more than 3 clips to sync it gets really tedious! Definitely gonna try this on our next project, we even use the same camera and field recorder!
Thank you very much for your guidance. I tried my Zoom H1n on Sony A7iii with Rode Lavalier Go mic. The sound was amazingly impressive with gain level 4 on Zoom, and level 1 on Sony A7iii, while the bars were hitting around -12 db. What was also impressive was that I could record the sound on Zoom at the same time in wave format with 48khz/24bit, just in case I needed it separately. However, when I copied both the Zoom file and the Camera file to Audacity, I was surprised that both the files were recorded at 48khz/32bit and the sound level of the Zoom file was much lower than the camera file and needed to be amplified to about 15db. After doing so, I could not trace any difference between the two. May I conclude: Using Zoom H1n only adds to the complexity and produces no extra quality? Will plug my mic directly into the camera next time without Zoom.
the advantage of using a separate audio file on Zoom H5 only comes in outdoors environment and at long distances between the audio recorder (located close to talent) and camera.
I highly recommend to Zoom H4N user this cable: Sescom LN2MIC-ZMH4-MON 3.5mm Line to Mic 25dB Attenuation Cable for Zoom H4N with Headphone Monitoring Jack
Thank you again for such great insight. I have the same zoom h6 and I am using a Sony a7s2 camera with Sony wireless lav's: UWP-D21. I have clipping with my voice. I will be using some of your suggestions but is there a level i should set my wireless lav's at as well for getting optimal sound? I just posted my latest cooking video and I'm sure you will be able to tell that it doesn't sound that good. In post i turned the volume down to -5db so the clipping doesnt sound too bad. Any suggestions would help. Thank you Chef Shannon Ambrosio
thank you so much for this... I was plugin my h6 always through line out, and having constant interferences. Finally plugged it through the headphones line and interferences were gone completely!!! thank you
I've been wondering this for a long time. What people should be doing here... is comparing their high-end microphone alone with their Canon or Nikon DSLR... and then their mic with a Digital Recorder - recording the audio... and passing it through the camera. This would be a drastic improvement in the Audio Quality for most UA-camrs who use an external mic.
I liked the second one (going through the H6), though the difference was slight. To me, the efficiency isn't worth it. I'm akin to a perfectionist when it comes to sound.
I definitely hear some noise in the signal that is stereo going directly into the camera vs. the signal that is mono going into the H6 at the end of this video. There's a high pitched hum in the stereo track going directly into the camera that pops in an out. It is not in the H6 track.
Awesome video. I've been trying to figure the audio out with my VR1HD switching between two different angles on Sony A7iii. The audio is out of sync for some reason and also isn't as clean.
The only reason to not do this is if you want multitrack audio recording with more than 2 tracks. But otherwise, this is a great timesaver. If you have two tracks only, you can still get multitrack if you pan the output left and right for tracks L and R in the output. Then track 1 will be in L and track 2 will be in R in the stereo mix in the camera audio recording.
Good information! Thank You! I'm starting my UA-cam channel and this helps a lot! I have 3 cameras, how can I set up all 3 using this set up with-out all 3 being seperate? I hope I didn't confuse you...
Amazing video. I was very close to get my question answered. I do get the first part down but my question is. What cable do I need or how do I get audio from the dj’s board. If I have a zoom h4n pro and 3.5 male cord connected to the camera.
Thanks for this excellent video on Audio, is it possible use two xlr microphones at the same time with zoom h5 and connect with Sony a7c camera for directly recording on camera?
I will definitely going to do this set up! I have the Shure SM57 and because I am not as fancy as you, instead of the cloud lifter, I will use the Klark mic booster with my H6. Can't wait to try it! Thanks Javier!
Great Great GREAT video, I was just wondering what is the difference between the sound recorded on the recorder and go straight into the camera, You just save me a lot of time to do this test myself, but this is a sad sad result...cause.... I have to sync video and audio every single time!
Hay Javier, Thanks for such helpful video. I was about to buy Rode AI-1 USB Audio Interface to use it with my Rode ntg3 but after looking at this video I feel Zoom H6 might be a better option to be able to record my audio directly into my camera. Please let me know your thoughts if you think I still should go with Rode AI-1 or Zoom H6 is better option to make my workflow smoother?
Very good video I to have the Sony A73 and the Zoom H6 and F1 for me it really depends on if I am in studio or on location. Both do a great job from line in. I also backup to sod card .
I’ve learned it’s more important than video tbh. I’m pretty new, too, and it’s exciting and super fun troubleshooting all of this stuff. You got this man! I’m rooting for ya 🙌
thanks for a great video....I dont have the expertise in audio...would having lets say an Zoom H1N connected to sony/fujifilm camera provide better audio (recorded directly to the camera ) VS lets say a shotgun microphone like Diety Mini 4 or maybe Rode Micro connected to the camera with the same 3.5mm cable?
Honestly to me it sounds the same with my Marshall Major headphones. Great video though. I use an H2N and just plug it into my camera. Looking to upgrade all my gear so that's how I found your video.
I am sure others have pointed this out, but.... The beauty of multiple tracks in post is you can easily kill one track (like a lav mic) when someone clears their throat, or some other noise was made on one track. If all the tracks are pre-mixed, then you're screwed. You would have to go back to the source audio and try to sync it all up in post. If you are REALLY sure your mixed audio in the recorder will be perfect, then maybe this can work. But I think if someone is gonna buy an external sound recorder and have multi tracks, they actually DO want the ability to mix those track downs later on. In a PERFECT world.. the camera could record multiple tracks. How great would that be???
Yes to all of this, but for simple interviews with two sound sources like a boom and a lav you can still pan one right and one left in the monitor to your camera, thus giving you a split track still, the idea here is you still hit record on the recorder but you have the backup audio on the camera as well. When you get to three sound sources then for sure this would be just a mix to a camera and the recorder is the device recording.
that was really helpful, video editing is dope, lol just teasing me more to buy the a7 iii , but all in all thanks a lot , i was looking for a solution!
Does this mean I don’t need a Tascam DR 70D?! That would be great!! I’m working on a commercial fishing series and the sound levels are alllll over the place on these working vessels. Because I have to mic up every fisherman, I tried a Rode Wireless Go v1 on the lowest setting and it still peaked. I was not prepared for that and now have to polish this audio turd the best I can since that was a one and done shoot. I’ve been looking for more controlled audio that I can add to my single camera rig setup and this may just work! Gonna try tomorrow. Thank you! 🙌
Hey! Just to note that I've been researching the Sony XLR-k3m and K2m (and even the k1m) and all of them provide the +48V phantom power using just the power from the camera through the MI Shoe and no cables
I think so, I understand that there are some situations that you need to be nimble with your setup so carrying around a recorder isn't efficient, but it does really speed things up if you can do it, thanks for watching and commenting Dennis! hope you are safe!
Javier! Just came across your video while searching for ways of connecting Wireless mics to the Zoom H6. My issue at the moment is a huge interference-type of noise every time I plug the receiver to my Zoom, using any of the XLR TRS channels or the LR 3.5 minijack on the interchangeable head of the Zoom. I’ve also made sure no phanton energy is on. Any clues of why I’m having this issue? Sounds like the phone close to old speakers😅. Hope you can help me! Thanks in advance and keep on creating useful content!🎉
Those who are complaining, must not be the editors... Imagine, you have got 30 days shooting from a reality show and you have to SYNC the bloody data...what will you do ??? Obviously, this is the best solution PLUS you have your audio in SD card Vs the baked audio...!
Great videos Javier, I want to record video/audio from mixer but all host are wearing IEM's. Is it possible to line out from cameras into Zoom H5 and also receive feed from mixer?Thanks
Yes this is possible I think? you just need to see if your can route the signal internally to make sure you are not feeding back the camera audio back into the camera.
I'm still learning this stuff and confused about a couple of things. If the primary purpose of the H6 is the preamp, then why do you also need the cloudlifter?
Great, this video has the answers I've been looking for. Can this same equipment be used to record good audio when recording with an iPhone rather than a DSLR camera?
I've had good success with the Roland Go:Mixer for better audio in on iPhone. Has a few 1/4" inputs and direct monitoring. I've had the inputs be direct from a synthesizer or off my mixer.
probably a bit of a silly Question but still a little confused, should you use Headphone out or line out from the H6 to plug into a camera? I'm using the Sony ZV-1. cheers, Paddy
I think line out is better if you have both options. Audio that goes through a headphone out will be subjected to another step of amplification, which may color the sound or add noise to it.
Awesome video, thank you! 🙂👍 I'm planning on getting a Canon EOS M50 and a Zoom H6 so I can record songs of me singing with an acoustic guitar. This was something I definitely wanted to know if it was possible, good to know, thank you! 🙂 On a more specific note, if I wanted to end up using the audio from a really great take to then also put on Spotify or use for purely the audio and not the video, would this technique not work? Will this give me one file? I won't be able to separate the audio? Or could I have the video and audio record together for easy uploading to UA-cam while also being able to save a separate audio at the same time on an SD card on the Zoom H6? The goal being one take = good video with audio for UA-cam with no post sync, and yet also an audio file by itself of that good take. Thoughts?
I also had this idea long time ago with my Zoom H4n. However, it was kinda frustrating when the batteries died and I didn't notice it and kept recording. This made me angry so many times! I tried just plugging zoom to the wall, however the power supply (even the original one!) makes a very noticable buzz. So I dropped the whole concept and just rely on build in camera audio levels management.
Be honest, is the efficiency in time saved connecting directly into camera worth the loss in quality not syncing audio to the video camera in post. Personally I say do both if the situation allows for it, that way you have a backup if something happens. Could you tell the difference between the two signals? (I also am kind of embarrassed it took me this long to think of connecting my audio gear this way directly into my camera so I would avoid the tedious task of syncing audio to video in post. ha!)
They sounded very much the same. I was using my F1 Field recorder as sort of a preamp before getting a rode mic. I just fed the audio straight into the camera. Huge time saver. There is another hack that works well when dealing with multiple cameras. I use a wireless remote that starts all the cameras recording at the same time. In post I just have to line the videos from each camera and I am done. No syncing required. This was a great video btw! Thank you.
@@DanRaines wow! a wireless camera starter, very cool!
Javier Mercedes it has been a game changer for me.
I couldn't tell the difference and I have studio monitor speakers. Cool beans! I'm watching your video because I'm messing with my new ATEM Mini Pro and am figuring out the best setup(s) for audio. The ATEM has 4 HDMI inputs plus 2 Mic inputs, thus 6 places to input sound. I've hookup up a Rode Video Mic Pro, a simple Sennheiser Lav mic, the Sennheiser Wireless, and mics from the cameras. There's so many options, it's mind blowing. I'm watching your video and saying Hmmm! what do I do with my Zoom H5? Do I even need it?
Can we do it with Zoom H1?
It depends on the type of your film work. For UA-cam video, it is enough to sync audio directly into the camera. But, if you makes a short film or documentary for cinema screening purpose, I'd recommend to record audio, separately; so you can have more rooms to work on sound mix for better quality.
Dude! Sending line level audio to another mic pre-amp, no matter how much you have it turned down, still uses the camera's inferior mic pre-amp. Fujifilm cameras, like my X-S10, allows you to select the camera mic port to accept line level or mic level so you can avoid all this "gain staging" and bypass the cheap camera mic. pre-amp completely. So I use the line out of my Tascam Mixcast 4 or the line outs of my Zoom H6 or Tascam 70d and send this audio to the camera mic port that is selected to accept "line level" signals and get an awesome video complete with the highest quality audio baked into it. This is the only problem with Sony cameras IMHO is that you're stuck with using the mic preamp to an extent unless you buy the very expensive hot shoe XLR mic option. Consider doing a video explaining this advantage of Fuji products over the others. Thanks man!
Someone asked me “did you go to film school?” I said yea, JM Film school is the best on UA-cam 🔥🔥🔥
There is a difference ! There is a background hiss when using the headphone out vs the sd card. More annoying and more work post but it’s better to record directly to the H6
I hear it as well.
How does one get rid of that hiss?
I have found that I get more hiss when going wireless indicating that the hiss is more to do with the wireless transmission (if using a recorder with rode go’s etc) and not so much to do with using the earphone jack on the recorder. If you use a wired mic with the recorder you won’t have the hiss however it won’t be wireless but you’ll still avoid post syncing.
Best practical solution is to turn your cameras input all the way down (if using a phone you’ll need an app that allows this like black magic etc) and adjust the output or input accordingly from the recorder.
i know this video is old but i put my headphones to listen to the test at the end and there there a huge difference, the signal into the camera had a high pitched signal noise that was very noticeable. Its enough of a difference for me to not change my work flow but thanks for testing this on our behalf
I agree
So you wouldn’t recommend plugging in the sm7b through a cloud lifter, then to a scarlet solo then a dbx 286
Regarding the camera method, there is no good way to hook up the sm7b, to the camera without the high pitched nose
Great video man. I think it's important to point out that when using external line level audio into the camera, the mic/line option in the camera needs to be selected to line so as to bypass the camera's pre-amp as it's usually garbage. Even if the mic level is turned down substantially, you'll still have it "touch" the signal and that's not optimal. I go from the line out of my H1n or H5 right into my line in of my X-S10 and it sounds amazingly good. Then from there it's straight to YT so it's only processed once by YT. Thank you again for the demo sir.
For some cameras that aren’t really designed to handle line level signals well, replacing a standard cable with a line-to-mic level attenuation cable will make these setups less noisy. It switches the voltage to what the cameras handles well, probably just a resistor on the cable.
If the audio sounds good it is good, so it is only something to buy if you are annoyed by differences in noise floor when connecting like this. If happy with the audio don’t get the cable :)
“Professional” camcorders often have a switch or a menu option to set the input in line level mode. Like a attenuation cable but built into the camera.
I got a case of tinnitus today, so I have zero clue if there was audible difference ;-)
from my ears I really like the audio straight into the camera for talking heads.
the zoom h6 audio seemed "processed" which may fool some into thinking that's the better one...
thanks for taking the time to create this video!
when it comes to the difference between straight to the card and straight to camera I believe you notice the difference where your outside or somewhere with more background noise. Then you start to notice how that preamp on the camera muddys the sound a bit. I tried this with my H4n contected to the line in on the camera.
Great video! You can also do the same thing using the Rode Wireless Go lav system whereby the transmitter connects to the H6 line out at the bottom, and the Rode receiver connects to the camera (on top of hot shoe) with the 3.5mm cable going to the camera's mic in port. By using the Rode Wireless Go lav system, you will receive wireless audio transmission so you don't have to mess with cables that you can trip over. Plus the Rode Wireless Go lav system can transmit wirelessly up to 150 feet away, it's quite amazing. Only downside is that it costs $200 for the system versus $15 for a long cable. I use this wireless Rode lav system with my Canon camera.
Yes, although you may be introducing latency in to your recording, even if it’s a frame or two off, the lip syncing may not work as well? This is because the wireless Go works of the 2.4GHz wifi band. It’s pretty decent but I’ve known these issues to occur. If it works for you, it works for you. Great way to stay safe if it’s not knocking your audio out from the visuals?
This definitely works as long as you crank down your in cam audio. For instance on my Canon 5d MK IV, I have turn it all the way down to the first notch.
But the audio sounds almost identical between my Zoom H1 internal recording as it does to the audio sent to my 5d.
Good to know it works for you!
Solid video!
I use a Sony A7III with Sennheiser G3 and tram TR-50 directly into the camera. I bring up gain on Sennheiser and put my camera volume to 1.
It works awesome. Clients compliment me on audio sometimes. I usually record a bit lower and bring up audio in post.
I am on here because I need to use two Sennheiser G3's and need a way to mix them. The Zoom H6 line out is the answer. Thank you for your video, I will get a Zoom H6.
Huge plus that I will have a backup in case something happens. Nothing has ever happened because I am always checking chosen takes.
This was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.
Glad I could help!
@@JavierMercedes can you use a go xlr mini with same results as the zoom?
I'm listening on studio monitors, and I couldn't tell a difference in the sound of the two options. Also, fantastic video!!!
I can hear it on the headphones. But the difference is almost negligible when listening on the phone speaker, specially with some background music.
Going Into the camera sounded a little brighter to me (listening on Yamaha HS5s) but definitely nothing drastic. Sounds good either way. I found your video researching audio solutions and logically was thinking that you could actually do this. It just made sense. I haven't been seeing anyone do it until NOW. 😌 Thanks for this video.
Perfect! Great vid dude. To the point and clear! Literally was searching for this very set up. I'm going to be recording via my NIKON D850 (just a talking head video type of show. Nothing complex or crazy). I have a Shure sm7b, Cloudlifter, and Zoom H6. Was dreading having to sync audio and video in post and all that blah, blah, blah. I think, for what it is I'm doing, this will work absolutely fine. Many thanks.
You're so smart man. God bless you and love you content. Using same mic, cloud lifter and recorder. Doing this now. Thank you.
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I heard the diffrence only when i connected my professional headphones on. How many people will actually be listening on pro headphones and will they even notice it after adding sfx and background music.... I highly doubt it only when comparing side by side like this... Totally worth it for the workflow...
Thanks for the review,very detailed and great info
Nice vid! I worked out the same method using a Tascam DR44wl. and a DJI pocket 2. The Tascam has reverb on board so I wanted to do do some quick and dirty song videos. I use a two-way adapter from the line out so that I can use headphones at the same time. Watching your video confirmed that it wasn't such a weird thing to do. Thanks a lot!
I absolutely love and appreciate humans like you Javier! Thank you, would love an in person studio help set up....COVID compliant of course :) Thank you for your tutorials. I will keep at it.
I was looking EXACTLY for this. Thank you. Have been rocking the Zoom PDF and was hoping I could do this.
Also, this video and the related videos are all compelling me to sync in post. So there's that. 🤷
I bought an Olympus "field" recorder and Ive been messing around trying to get it to work with my Sony A7, then I found your video and hey presto it works. Brilliant and thanks! I don't know if it syncs but cant see any reason why not and it sounds awesome!
For what its worth I set record level in A7 to 10 Olympus LS P1 (voice recorder) set to conference scene.
This is perfect. I have a Zoom H4N and was hoping this was how it would go and it went exactly how you demonstrated it.
Thank you so much for this! Also your quality is SOOO clean!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experiences I'm new at this podcasting technology and you are an incredible resource.
Been syncing in post. Going to have to test this! 👍🏻
It’s always nice to setup and see if it sounds fine, some mic pres do better than others, but no harm in trying, thanks for checking out the other videos Mike!
Also 👍 appreciated if this is helpful! Stay safe out there!
Thanks a bunch! I am planning on doing exactly this: it's good to see that it works fine before I spend the money.
Both sound pretty good
oh lord, the amount of times i have a thousand different video clips and my H5 has one , one hour clip that just kills me to sync it all up!! It never occurred to me to do this as my last camera did not have a mic input! Now i just need to mount my zoom somewhere !
Thanks!
That’s how I came to this idea as well, spending all that time in edit syncing. Even if the quality may not be as good at least the signals are about the same so syncing is a breeze in post.
I tried to do this one time with my tascam, but the audio was horrible. So I got lazy and never tried again, so I just stuck to syncing audio in post. I think I may give this a try again. 👍🏽
I’m not familiar with the preamps on a tascam, always worth a quick test.
So glad I watched this and such a great video! Although convenient, I will stick to recording into the SD to avoid the camera messing with the noise floor. I wish there was a way to mitigate that but only so much processing the camera can handle I guess and I would imagine it varies from camera to camera.
Just got the zoom h6 and this is super helpful! I was wondering if I could do this. Thanks for the detailed tutorial. Can’t wait to try it out!
Excellent, thanks. I didn't notice a difference in the audio on my cheap 5.1 surround system. Unless you need the best and cleanest possible audio, using the headphone jack seems to work fine.
Awesome vid. Thank you. You always provide practical solutions, easy to follow and implement! Appreciate your efforts to share with us. Please keep it up!
Thanks Robert! Means a lot!
this is exactly what i have been looking for , you just got yourself one subscriber
Great tutorial as always my guy! I don't mind syncing audio in post but when you have more than 3 clips to sync it gets really tedious! Definitely gonna try this on our next project, we even use the same camera and field recorder!
Thank you very much for your guidance. I tried my Zoom H1n on Sony A7iii with Rode Lavalier Go mic. The sound was amazingly impressive with gain level 4 on Zoom, and level 1 on Sony A7iii, while the bars were hitting around -12 db. What was also impressive was that I could record the sound on Zoom at the same time in wave format with 48khz/24bit, just in case I needed it separately. However, when I copied both the Zoom file and the Camera file to Audacity, I was surprised that both the files were recorded at 48khz/32bit and the sound level of the Zoom file was much lower than the camera file and needed to be amplified to about 15db. After doing so, I could not trace any difference between the two. May I conclude: Using Zoom H1n only adds to the complexity and produces no extra quality? Will plug my mic directly into the camera next time without Zoom.
the advantage of using a separate audio file on Zoom H5 only comes in outdoors environment and at long distances between the audio recorder (located close to talent) and camera.
Wow! Now I want to see that setup on a Crane 2!
I highly recommend to Zoom H4N user this cable: Sescom LN2MIC-ZMH4-MON 3.5mm Line to Mic 25dB Attenuation Cable for Zoom H4N with Headphone Monitoring Jack
Just got my first XLR mic fifine k688, excited to hook it up with my Sony a6400
Great to show minimizing camera audio input level to minimize the noise coming from its inferior audio amp. Thanks for the video.
thank you for this wonderful video
for the difference my ears did not catch any
Dear Javier, thank you for your all information. Best review for zoom. what should the settings be for zoom f3 and fujifilm xh2s?
Thank you again for such great insight. I have the same zoom h6 and I am using a Sony a7s2 camera with Sony wireless lav's: UWP-D21. I have clipping with my voice. I will be using some of your suggestions but is there a level i should set my wireless lav's at as well for getting optimal sound? I just posted my latest cooking video and I'm sure you will be able to tell that it doesn't sound that good. In post i turned the volume down to -5db so the clipping doesnt sound too bad. Any suggestions would help. Thank you Chef Shannon Ambrosio
thank you so much for this... I was plugin my h6 always through line out, and having constant interferences. Finally plugged it through the headphones line and interferences were gone completely!!! thank you
I've been wondering this for a long time.
What people should be doing here... is comparing their high-end microphone alone with their Canon or Nikon DSLR... and then their mic with a Digital Recorder - recording the audio... and passing it through the camera. This would be a drastic improvement in the Audio Quality for most UA-camrs who use an external mic.
Holy Cow...handy for multiple mics...but using the Beachtek is so much easier for my needs and it's attached to the camera :)
I liked the second one (going through the H6), though the difference was slight. To me, the efficiency isn't worth it. I'm akin to a perfectionist when it comes to sound.
I definitely hear some noise in the signal that is stereo going directly into the camera vs. the signal that is mono going into the H6 at the end of this video. There's a high pitched hum in the stereo track going directly into the camera that pops in an out. It is not in the H6 track.
Awesome video. I've been trying to figure the audio out with my VR1HD switching between two different angles on Sony A7iii. The audio is out of sync for some reason and also isn't as clean.
The only reason to not do this is if you want multitrack audio recording with more than 2 tracks. But otherwise, this is a great timesaver. If you have two tracks only, you can still get multitrack if you pan the output left and right for tracks L and R in the output. Then track 1 will be in L and track 2 will be in R in the stereo mix in the camera audio recording.
I do mostly field shooting. I find the DJI wireless mics to be excellent but I would imagine with all your equipment you get much better sound.
Great video that question is what I was wondering...TQSM bruh
The audio directly from Zoom rocks. Cleaner and no hiss or pitching.
Good information! Thank You! I'm starting my UA-cam channel and this helps a lot! I have 3 cameras, how can I set up all 3 using this set up with-out all 3 being seperate? I hope I didn't confuse you...
Amazing video. I was very close to get my question answered. I do get the first part down but my question is. What cable do I need or how do I get audio from the dj’s board. If I have a zoom h4n pro and 3.5 male cord connected to the camera.
Great Vid Javier as usual. Very well done. Solid content. Thanks
Heeey thanks Samson, love the new Profile pic!
Javier Mercedes thanks Javier
Thanks for this excellent video on Audio, is it possible use two xlr microphones at the same time with zoom h5 and connect with Sony a7c camera for directly recording on camera?
I will definitely going to do this set up! I have the Shure SM57 and because I am not as fancy as you, instead of the cloud lifter, I will use the Klark mic booster with my H6. Can't wait to try it! Thanks Javier!
Clark booster is great
Great, informative video! Thank you!
Great Great GREAT video, I was just wondering what is the difference between the sound recorded on the recorder and go straight into the camera, You just save me a lot of time to do this test myself, but this is a sad sad result...cause.... I have to sync video and audio every single time!
Hay Javier, Thanks for such helpful video. I was about to buy Rode AI-1 USB Audio Interface to use it with my Rode ntg3 but after looking at this video I feel Zoom H6 might be a better option to be able to record my audio directly into my camera. Please let me know your thoughts if you think I still should go with Rode AI-1 or Zoom H6 is better option to make my workflow smoother?
Thanks for an eye opener Bro 🙏
Thanks for this! Very helpful and it took me too long to think about this as well....
Very good video I to have the Sony A73 and the Zoom H6 and F1 for me it really depends on if I am in studio or on location. Both do a great job from line in. I also backup to sod card .
Cool to hear you have the same gear!
Thanks for the helpful tips! Audio is key, still learning as new to YT but getting there.
I’ve learned it’s more important than video tbh. I’m pretty new, too, and it’s exciting and super fun troubleshooting all of this stuff. You got this man! I’m rooting for ya 🙌
@@ScottGerke Thanks Scott! Agree 100%
Exactly what i needed thank uuu❤
You really good person explained it
It's really very useful
Thank so much for it
Please don't stop to make videos on your channel 😊
Your mic sounds amazing.
Thank you!
I definitely can hear the hiss directly from the camera, I am using my Sony xm4 for listen this
Me too
This video is great, but can I do this using the zoom recorder and plug the line out into an iphone?
thanks for a great video....I dont have the expertise in audio...would having lets say an Zoom H1N connected to sony/fujifilm camera provide better audio (recorded directly to the camera ) VS lets say a shotgun microphone like Diety Mini 4 or maybe Rode Micro connected to the camera with the same 3.5mm cable?
Great video - What if I wanted to setup the recorder with a Ninja V. Would you bypass the camera mic and go straight into the Ninja?
Honestly to me it sounds the same with my Marshall Major headphones. Great video though. I use an H2N and just plug it into my camera. Looking to upgrade all my gear so that's how I found your video.
Thanks Dak Prescott! 🔥
Bro good video. How do i connect the zoom h6 to my android phone for videos?
I am sure others have pointed this out, but....
The beauty of multiple tracks in post is you can easily kill one track (like a lav mic) when someone clears their throat, or some other noise was made on one track. If all the tracks are pre-mixed, then you're screwed. You would have to go back to the source audio and try to sync it all up in post. If you are REALLY sure your mixed audio in the recorder will be perfect, then maybe this can work. But I think if someone is gonna buy an external sound recorder and have multi tracks, they actually DO want the ability to mix those track downs later on.
In a PERFECT world.. the camera could record multiple tracks. How great would that be???
Yes to all of this, but for simple interviews with two sound sources like a boom and a lav you can still pan one right and one left in the monitor to your camera, thus giving you a split track still, the idea here is you still hit record on the recorder but you have the backup audio on the camera as well. When you get to three sound sources then for sure this would be just a mix to a camera and the recorder is the device recording.
that was really helpful, video editing is dope, lol just teasing me more to buy the a7 iii , but all in all thanks a lot , i was looking for a solution!
I hope it works on mine. Gonna try this
nice video, very helpful and i'm sure time saving. Definitely gonna have to try this out.
Thank you and be sure to test if it sounds as good, if all else fails it’s always cool to record in the recorder while recording on the camera
Does this mean I don’t need a Tascam DR 70D?! That would be great!! I’m working on a commercial fishing series and the sound levels are alllll over the place on these working vessels. Because I have to mic up every fisherman, I tried a Rode Wireless Go v1 on the lowest setting and it still peaked. I was not prepared for that and now have to polish this audio turd the best I can since that was a one and done shoot. I’ve been looking for more controlled audio that I can add to my single camera rig setup and this may just work! Gonna try tomorrow. Thank you! 🙌
Hey! Just to note that I've been researching the Sony XLR-k3m and K2m (and even the k1m) and all of them provide the +48V phantom power using just the power from the camera through the MI Shoe and no cables
Dave Armano ah yes, I have a video coming out soon reviewing the k3m on the a7siii
@@JavierMercedes that's awesome! Can you please compare it to the k2m and the k1m? I'm having such a hard time figuring it out which does what
@@JavierMercedes link to this vid? Thx
really worth it. saves a lot of time!
I think so, I understand that there are some situations that you need to be nimble with your setup so carrying around a recorder isn't efficient, but it does really speed things up if you can do it, thanks for watching and commenting Dennis! hope you are safe!
directly into Zoom H6 is better. There is some high-level noise that you can hear only through headphones.
Javier! Just came across your video while searching for ways of connecting Wireless mics to the Zoom H6. My issue at the moment is a huge interference-type of noise every time I plug the receiver to my Zoom, using any of the XLR TRS channels or the LR 3.5 minijack on the interchangeable head of the Zoom. I’ve also made sure no phanton energy is on. Any clues of why I’m having this issue? Sounds like the phone close to old speakers😅. Hope you can help me! Thanks in advance and keep on creating useful content!🎉
Thank you Javier! Great informative video!
Those who are complaining, must not be the editors... Imagine, you have got 30 days shooting from a reality show and you have to SYNC the bloody data...what will you do ??? Obviously, this is the best solution PLUS you have your audio in SD card Vs the baked audio...!
Great videos Javier, I want to record video/audio from mixer but all host are wearing IEM's. Is it possible to line out from cameras into Zoom H5 and also receive feed from mixer?Thanks
Yes this is possible I think? you just need to see if your can route the signal internally to make sure you are not feeding back the camera audio back into the camera.
I'm still learning this stuff and confused about a couple of things. If the primary purpose of the H6 is the preamp, then why do you also need the cloudlifter?
Great, this video has the answers I've been looking for. Can this same equipment be used to record good audio when recording with an iPhone rather than a DSLR camera?
I've had good success with the Roland Go:Mixer for better audio in on iPhone. Has a few 1/4" inputs and direct monitoring. I've had the inputs be direct from a synthesizer or off my mixer.
Question for you l have an all day conference coming up soon. Should l use the rode wireless pro for my audio ?
If a video can be used without post-processing, that does save time, which can be very important for commercial and institutional video work.
probably a bit of a silly Question but still a little confused, should you use Headphone out or line out from the H6 to plug into a camera? I'm using the Sony ZV-1. cheers, Paddy
I think line out is better if you have both options. Audio that goes through a headphone out will be subjected to another step of amplification, which may color the sound or add noise to it.
Awesome video, thank you! 🙂👍
I'm planning on getting a Canon EOS M50 and a Zoom H6 so I can record songs of me singing with an acoustic guitar. This was something I definitely wanted to know if it was possible, good to know, thank you! 🙂
On a more specific note, if I wanted to end up using the audio from a really great take to then also put on Spotify or use for purely the audio and not the video, would this technique not work? Will this give me one file? I won't be able to separate the audio? Or could I have the video and audio record together for easy uploading to UA-cam while also being able to save a separate audio at the same time on an SD card on the Zoom H6? The goal being one take = good video with audio for UA-cam with no post sync, and yet also an audio file by itself of that good take. Thoughts?
It sounds good, but I think there is more hissing when connected to the camera.
Thanks for great video,I have zoom h8,, is it possible?
I also had this idea long time ago with my Zoom H4n. However, it was kinda frustrating when the batteries died and I didn't notice it and kept recording. This made me angry so many times! I tried just plugging zoom to the wall, however the power supply (even the original one!) makes a very noticable buzz. So I dropped the whole concept and just rely on build in camera audio levels management.
Very helpful, thank you 🙏🏾