As cool as a Easter egg that was, I really wish that they had instead done altered pictures of Ron Moody and other actors of the time who were in the running to play The Doctor, such as Peter Cushing or BRIAN BLESSED...
I think Matt Smith's 11th Doctor being the "too young" would have worked better, since the fanbase always considered him the "young one" or "the babyfaced" out of all the Doctors incarnations. And just as a similar comment said, it would be funny to have Jon Pertwee's 3rd Doctor as the "that won't do at all" incarnation, as it would only add extra irony that the 2nd immediately regenerates into him anyways, and makes the Time Lords look like they aren't putting up with 2nd's reluctance to go through his sentence immediately by making him regenerate into his least favorite chosen incarnation. And while I would like the "too fat" part to be added, it would be slightly cruel towards Colin Baker if they chose that.
I would have preferred Peter Davison to be the one that was "too young" for two reasons. (1) When it was announced that he would be succeeding Tom Baker a lot of people at the time thought he was too young. (2) It would explain how 2 recognized his future self in "The Five Doctors". "Ah, there I am. I mean there you are."
I think the "oh that wouldn't do at all" would've offended people, thinking they were putting down Whittaker. She's like the guy from RoboCop who gets shot to death by ED209; she's dead and they just keep taking pot shots at her. Although I agree Matt Smith shouldve been "he's too young."
Putting in photos of the newer Doctors with them in their outfits kinda ruins the joke and feels a little cheap. Could they not have just done headshots?
I will admit it is very funny to see the second doctor looking through his future incarnations and also making fun of them and I did get a good laugh out of it, but I don’t like the idea that Peter Capaldi is now 4 characters in the Doctor Who Universe. The Twelfth Doctor, Caecilius, John Frobisher, and a possible face for the Third Doctor
That’s not as bad as David Tennant who has now played no less than 6 different characters in the show, 2 incarnations of The Doctor, The Meta Crisis Doctor, John Smith, Lady Cassandra, and The Not-Doctor.
@ David Tennant must have sold his soul to the devil at some point because some of the things that happen to him are crazy. Got to be the main character of his favorite show, played at least 6 versions of said character and had a minor role in Scream of The Shalka before cast as the Doctor, married the daughter of his favorite version of The Doctor, got to act alongside his favorite Doctor, returned an ungodly amount of times, and is regarded by a large majority of the fandom as “the best Doctor”. Can someone teach me how to sell my soul
imo the regen option faces being promo pictures of future doctors with their clothing and objects (sonic screwdrivers) is inaccurate, because to my knowledge and recalling the machinery/tech isn't a future vision-y thing iirc. and rather the screen showcases the options to choose a result for post manipulation of the regeneration to have the certain appearance as the result..... because of the bio-manipulative tech. at least to my memory that's how the tech was to be interpreted, but my memory could be wrong but yeh fair enough as it can be just fun fanfare but then again they could've used different promo pics for it, even with photoshopped clothing or just pics from a different source with permission. also I think the face selection bit changed to nu who doctors could be based on a "meme" edit a fan made somewhere cus I recall a similar looking edit
I just knew that they were going to use a picture of David Tennant when The Doctor says “he’s too thin”, although I would have preferred it if they’d used a drawing of him and kept the original images of the other rejected faces. That said, it is quite amusing that we have now had incarcerations that match nearly all the complaints that The Doctor had about his potential new faces.
2:54 - 3:04 I wonder why they updated the choices with most of the Modern Era Doctors (with exception of Christopher Eccelston), rather than colorizing the drawings.
Was the whole bit of him referencing past enemies he’s faced new? I don’t remember it being in the original. If so is it recovered footage that was deleted from the original cut?
It was in the original, but they added extra footage of the Yeti, Ice Warriors, Cybermen and Daleks. All from the 2nd Doctor's era.I think the Qaucks footage was all the same footage as the original version.
It was originally considered as a alternative cheaper option in 1969 had they not got the costumes and props. They were also gonna have the krotons appear in it too but the costumes had deteriorated when they were checked.
An account called Paul RJ here on UA-cam made a version of this 6 years ago that I prefer far better, and wish they'd used similar to how they appropriated the fan regeneration. Future Doctors but with the original sketch style- far more true to the original and (excepting Colin, which they cut anyway) still recognisable to NuWho viewers.
Some thoughts, 1. The appearances of the Second Doctor's enemies did occur in the original, but it was just the monsters on a screen with a black backdrop behind them. The footage from the stories was added to "The War Games" colourised version. 2. I liked the appearances of Capaldi, Tennant, Whittaker and Smith; very funny and the show having a dig at itself. 3. The performances of Clyde Pollitt and Bernard Horsfall as the two Time Lords are very good. Pollitt and Horsfall make them such smug individuals that you want to kick them.
Correction. I made a mistake in naming the Time Lord actors who sentence the Doctor to exile. They were Bernard Horsfall and Trevor Martin. Martin would go on to play the Doctor himself in the 1974 stage play "Seven Keys to Doomsday", and would reprise the role for Big Finish in 2008.
Not fond of the music, unless the goal is to detract from the actor or to induce laughter. Only NuWho faces. They're just showing him future incarnations, which is as pointless as the new music. Or theyre pretending Doctors 4-9 didn't exist, but it is funny that the 2nd Doctor thinks his future is "an incredible bunch" but was that really the intent?
No, the original intention of that line was him rejecting the Time Lords choices, which, spoiler alert for the original here, were drawings of possible faces the Doctor could choose not as it seems here, actual future faces to regenerate into. I'm not sure what the new version is meant to imply with that line.
@@TheDoctorWhoDon I dont buy the arguement that it's done to get new viewers into the classic show. You cant expect them to be hooked by this and then carry on with classic Who that is paced, edited and scored completely differently. If they want people to discover classic Who, just air it. It's up to people to alter their tastes to suit a program, not somehow change the existing program's format to fit some people's tastes.
@@ACtheLegend but that's the issue people won't just change their tastes, that's not how it works. The point is that they will do this to many classic stories to entice a younger audience who don't want to watch elongated black and white stories.
I get the feeling fans will have the same reaction to this as putting Hayden Christianson in return if the Jedi but we still have the original version preserved. The artistic integrity of the original vision of the scene requires those original face sketches. Also, as funny as canonizing long running fan joke edits is, what does showing future regenerations imply about the Timelords knowledge of the Doctor’s future or their ability to influence regeneration?
Doctor Who. Plot holes. NEVER. That's never happened in the whole 61 year of the show. NEVER HAS THERE BEEN A PLOT HOLE. Definitely not any plot holes ever, in the show, ever.
@g1xrider13 I think they did see it coming actually but there was nothing that could be done about it. The time war stretched backwards and forwards along Gallifrey's timeline, with reality being written and rewritten over and over. It could be argued retroactively that their knowledge of the coming time war is what inspired them to recruit 4 to avert the creation of the Daleks in 1975's Genesis of the Daleks story. Maybe that time lord representative came from a point in Gallifrey's time where the war had already begun and it was a desperate feint. Anyways, in Day of the Doctor the high council sees all of the Doc's incarnations from Hartnell through Capaldi, while they are primarily dealing with the War Doctor initially. During the End of Time, we are following 10's Doctor in the main events on Earth but the high council assembled on Gallifrey makes reference to the Doctor possessing the Moment and it seems that for them the end of the time war hasn't happened yet. It's all confusing but with all these timelines it seems like everything is happening all at once and the audience is just seeing it from Doc's perspective.
Personally I think they should of had models that resembled the drawings of the original version because regeneration is a random thing like the 12th Doctor was a subconscious thing to remind the Doctor of something and then there's the 7th Doctor who was reading The Time Machine and practically regenerated into the main character of the book in the 1996 movie which seems to indicate that a state of mind guides the formation of the next carnation and the Doctor's regenerations would have been different if his life took a different direction. That maybe the 3rd Doctor became "James Bond" because the 2nd Doctor perhaps felt he could of saved Jamie and Zoe if he was more of a man of action.
@TheDoctorWhoDon Uh yeah, they did. Hell, the thumbnail alone shows that they added CGI'd stuff to the show that wasn't there original. I've watcched The War Games several times and Whitaker, Tennant, Capaldi, and Smith were never there before. There was no CGI Gallifrey city. Also, they screwed up the great cliffhanger with some horrible CGI regeneration scene that completely takes away from the show. Oh, and added an irritating soundtrack that is too loud for the dialogue along with adding in the Master's theme for the War Chief.
They haved 'Georde Lucas'd' it as if they had the original would not be available. This is nothing like George Lucas. The original still survives in its original form. This is an alternate way of watching. George Lucas stopped people from watching the originals and forced the re-edits to be the definitive versions. The War Games is still on iPlayer in its original 10 part form. This is a different way of watching for people who want to.
@TheDoctorWhoDon They George Lucas'd it as in they altered it. Also, the original is not availble on Blu-Ray, only DVD. You could say the same about the original Star Wars trilogy as it's available on DVD. However, I'm not being totally serious here. Sorry, I thought I had put a 😁 in the original post.
@TokuAndAnimationNewsNetwork But, the original will be on Blu-ray when the season 6 collection box set comes out, and it is also on the iPlayer. Also, as far as I know, the only way to watch the original versions of the 1st Star Wars trilogy is on VHS
@ That’s odd because I interviewed Terrance Dicks about ten years ago and asked him about this fan theory, and he categorically said they were two separate characters.
![[NOT OFFICIAL DW CHANNEL] | The Second Doctor Regenerates | Patrick Troughton to Jon Pertwee](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/O-SCqd49e4I/mqdefault.jpg)
I wish they would've chosen more neutral angles of the Doctor's faces instead of fancy shots with a sonic in their hands
It would also be a neat detail if they made them wear Gallifreyan robes
As cool as a Easter egg that was, I really wish that they had instead done altered pictures of Ron Moody and other actors of the time who were in the running to play The Doctor, such as Peter Cushing or BRIAN BLESSED...
Yes, neutral is the right word
Matt Smith didn’t have a Sonic Screwdriver in his shot.
@@TMX1138 Yes, but all of the shots used were well-known promo images, making it awkward to look at.
Would've been 1000 times better if they'd done drawings of the new doctors instead of the most obvious promo photos they could've picked 🙄
Or they could had used the original sketches in holograms rather than putting future Doctors in because it makes no sense.
Having Pertwee be the face that 2 thinks “Wouldn’t do at all” would make sense given how they always bicker in the stories they interact.
No because that is the face the timelords choose for the doctor
@@ThewoodenworkbenchWould be funnier if the face they chose was the one that the Doctor obviously doesn’t want
@@tomwestwood It would work well with the Third Doctor's 'Oh no!' When he sees his new face in Spearhead from Space.
Or one of the actors who was turned down for the role.
I think Matt Smith's 11th Doctor being the "too young" would have worked better, since the fanbase always considered him the "young one" or "the babyfaced" out of all the Doctors incarnations. And just as a similar comment said, it would be funny to have Jon Pertwee's 3rd Doctor as the "that won't do at all" incarnation, as it would only add extra irony that the 2nd immediately regenerates into him anyways, and makes the Time Lords look like they aren't putting up with 2nd's reluctance to go through his sentence immediately by making him regenerate into his least favorite chosen incarnation.
And while I would like the "too fat" part to be added, it would be slightly cruel towards Colin Baker if they chose that.
I would have preferred Peter Davison to be the one that was "too young" for two reasons. (1) When it was announced that he would be succeeding Tom Baker a lot of people at the time thought he was too young. (2) It would explain how 2 recognized his future self in "The Five Doctors". "Ah, there I am. I mean there you are."
@@richardfine8119Good ideas too.
I think the "oh that wouldn't do at all" would've offended people, thinking they were putting down Whittaker. She's like the guy from RoboCop who gets shot to death by ED209; she's dead and they just keep taking pot shots at her.
Although I agree Matt Smith shouldve been "he's too young."
@@romarqable That's why I chose Jon Pertwee as the "won't do at all", other than for comedic and ironic purposes.
The thing about Matt Smith 11th Doctor is the subtle jab at his chin which 10th, War and even 11th joked about
Putting in photos of the newer Doctors with them in their outfits kinda ruins the joke and feels a little cheap. Could they not have just done headshots?
I don't understand why they didn't use those side/angled profiles of the Doctor that were used in 'Rogue'. Those would have been perfect.
They literally used all the Doctor's heads as holograms in 'Rogue' and instead they went for weird posey promo shots
I wish the Richard Grant doctor was one of the faces shown
Feels weird seeing future doctors on the screen, i mean, i think that the thing here is show the doctor random posibilities for his new look.
Exactly. Regeneration is a random process
I will admit it is very funny to see the second doctor looking through his future incarnations and also making fun of them and I did get a good laugh out of it, but I don’t like the idea that Peter Capaldi is now 4 characters in the Doctor Who Universe. The Twelfth Doctor, Caecilius, John Frobisher, and a possible face for the Third Doctor
That’s not as bad as David Tennant who has now played no less than 6 different characters in the show, 2 incarnations of The Doctor, The Meta Crisis Doctor, John Smith, Lady Cassandra, and The Not-Doctor.
@ David Tennant must have sold his soul to the devil at some point because some of the things that happen to him are crazy. Got to be the main character of his favorite show, played at least 6 versions of said character and had a minor role in Scream of The Shalka before cast as the Doctor, married the daughter of his favorite version of The Doctor, got to act alongside his favorite Doctor, returned an ungodly amount of times, and is regarded by a large majority of the fandom as “the best Doctor”. Can someone teach me how to sell my soul
@@JustNonsensfind Bill Cipher
imo the regen option faces being promo pictures of future doctors with their clothing and objects (sonic screwdrivers) is inaccurate, because to my knowledge and recalling the machinery/tech isn't a future vision-y thing iirc.
and rather the screen showcases the options to choose a result for post manipulation of the regeneration to have the certain appearance as the result..... because of the bio-manipulative tech.
at least to my memory that's how the tech was to be interpreted, but my memory could be wrong
but yeh fair enough as it can be just fun fanfare but then again they could've used different promo pics for it, even with photoshopped clothing or just pics from a different source with permission.
also I think the face selection bit changed to nu who doctors could be based on a "meme" edit a fan made somewhere cus I recall a similar looking edit
I love that they acknowledged the meme😂😂😂
I just knew that they were going to use a picture of David Tennant when The Doctor says “he’s too thin”, although I would have preferred it if they’d used a drawing of him and kept the original images of the other rejected faces.
That said, it is quite amusing that we have now had incarcerations that match nearly all the complaints that The Doctor had about his potential new faces.
2:54 - 3:04 I wonder why they updated the choices with most of the Modern Era Doctors (with exception of Christopher Eccelston), rather than colorizing the drawings.
big missed opportunity to not put in later era colin baker for "He's too fat isint he" im surprised they cut that line
I think that line was probably cut for PC reasons
@TheDoctorWhoDon ugggggh i figured as much
@@Jaye_The_Gaye Also, I don't think they would have put the 6th doctor there, as this is supposed to get younger viewers into the classic show.
Seems a little mean spirited to me. I'm all for keeping the line, but no need to disrespect my boy Colin
Troughton had once referred to Colin as Miss Piggy in PBS interview.
Was the whole bit of him referencing past enemies he’s faced new? I don’t remember it being in the original. If so is it recovered footage that was deleted from the original cut?
I believe it was in the original.
It was in the original, but they added extra footage of the Yeti, Ice Warriors, Cybermen and Daleks. All from the 2nd Doctor's era.I think the Qaucks footage was all the same footage as the original version.
It was originally considered as a alternative cheaper option in 1969 had they not got the costumes and props. They were also gonna have the krotons appear in it too but the costumes had deteriorated when they were checked.
“ Here is your first choice. Oh he's too old! he's too thin. That one's too young. Oh now, that won't do at all. It's ridiculous. “
An account called Paul RJ here on UA-cam made a version of this 6 years ago that I prefer far better, and wish they'd used similar to how they appropriated the fan regeneration. Future Doctors but with the original sketch style- far more true to the original and (excepting Colin, which they cut anyway) still recognisable to NuWho viewers.
They missed a trick as one of the original "faces" bore more than a passing resemblance to The Fifth Doctor (Peter Davison).
Some thoughts,
1. The appearances of the Second Doctor's enemies did occur in the original, but it was just the monsters on a screen with a black backdrop behind them. The footage from the stories was added to "The War Games" colourised version.
2. I liked the appearances of Capaldi, Tennant, Whittaker and Smith; very funny and the show having a dig at itself.
3. The performances of Clyde Pollitt and Bernard Horsfall as the two Time Lords are very good. Pollitt and Horsfall make them such smug individuals that you want to kick them.
Correction. I made a mistake in naming the Time Lord actors who sentence the Doctor to exile. They were Bernard Horsfall and Trevor Martin. Martin would go on to play the Doctor himself in the 1974 stage play "Seven Keys to Doomsday", and would reprise the role for Big Finish in 2008.
11: Hey! Bowties are cool!
2: Oh that wont do at all!
11: 💔💔
Not fond of the music, unless the goal is to detract from the actor or to induce laughter.
Only NuWho faces. They're just showing him future incarnations, which is as pointless as the new music. Or theyre pretending Doctors 4-9 didn't exist, but it is funny that the 2nd Doctor thinks his future is "an incredible bunch" but was that really the intent?
this is supposed to get younger viewers into the classic show, so by including new doctors it is showing something familiar to them.
The Doctor has never been a fan of their future faces. Look at the War Doctor’s reaction to Ten and Eleven or the First Doctor’s reaction to Twelve
No, the original intention of that line was him rejecting the Time Lords choices, which, spoiler alert for the original here, were drawings of possible faces the Doctor could choose not as it seems here, actual future faces to regenerate into. I'm not sure what the new version is meant to imply with that line.
@@TheDoctorWhoDon I dont buy the arguement that it's done to get new viewers into the classic show. You cant expect them to be hooked by this and then carry on with classic Who that is paced, edited and scored completely differently. If they want people to discover classic Who, just air it. It's up to people to alter their tastes to suit a program, not somehow change the existing program's format to fit some people's tastes.
@@ACtheLegend but that's the issue people won't just change their tastes, that's not how it works. The point is that they will do this to many classic stories to entice a younger audience who don't want to watch elongated black and white stories.
New proposed faces added very badly. And why all faces reference to new series?
this is supposed to get younger viewers into the classic show, so by including new doctors it is showing something familiar to them.
Two, seeing Eleven for the first time: "Nope! Not in a million years!" 🤮
Eleven, realizing he's Eleven: "OH GOD DAMN IT!" 😠
I love that they put in the future doctors. it made me laugh last night.
This is exactly what upset the Star Wars fans when George Lucas released the Special Editions...
This is very different, the original is still available and will be forever.
@TheDoctorWhoDon Fair enough, I guess.
I get the feeling fans will have the same reaction to this as putting Hayden Christianson in return if the Jedi but we still have the original version preserved. The artistic integrity of the original vision of the scene requires those original face sketches. Also, as funny as canonizing long running fan joke edits is, what does showing future regenerations imply about the Timelords knowledge of the Doctor’s future or their ability to influence regeneration?
@@g1xrider13 well, why shouldn't the time lords be aware of the Doctor's future incarnations?
@ then why wouldn’t they have seen the time war coming? This just creates more questions hand plot holes. It is funny though.
Doctor Who. Plot holes. NEVER. That's never happened in the whole 61 year of the show. NEVER HAS THERE BEEN A PLOT HOLE. Definitely not any plot holes ever, in the show, ever.
But why add more to older episodes? The rescoring of the War chief scenes fills in one but the regeneration trial creates many more.
@g1xrider13 I think they did see it coming actually but there was nothing that could be done about it. The time war stretched backwards and forwards along Gallifrey's timeline, with reality being written and rewritten over and over. It could be argued retroactively that their knowledge of the coming time war is what inspired them to recruit 4 to avert the creation of the Daleks in 1975's Genesis of the Daleks story. Maybe that time lord representative came from a point in Gallifrey's time where the war had already begun and it was a desperate feint.
Anyways, in Day of the Doctor the high council sees all of the Doc's incarnations from Hartnell through Capaldi, while they are primarily dealing with the War Doctor initially. During the End of Time, we are following 10's Doctor in the main events on Earth but the high council assembled on Gallifrey makes reference to the Doctor possessing the Moment and it seems that for them the end of the time war hasn't happened yet.
It's all confusing but with all these timelines it seems like everything is happening all at once and the audience is just seeing it from Doc's perspective.
I watched this yesterday and the ending brought a smile to my face. Much better than the original IMHO.
I would changed the judges to the time lord outfits in post
Colourful Quarks ❤❤❤
Did this actually happen? (I'm in Canada so no way to actually watch the whole thing yet officially)
Yes, this is an official BBC release.
@TheDoctorWhoDon Bruh, I swear they read my UA-cam comment- I literally said in my head-canon I have 13th Doctor as: "too-young" version!
Still not ginger!
Personally I think they should of had models that resembled the drawings of the original version because regeneration is a random thing like the 12th Doctor was a subconscious thing to remind the Doctor of something and then there's the 7th Doctor who was reading The Time Machine and practically regenerated into the main character of the book in the 1996 movie which seems to indicate that a state of mind guides the formation of the next carnation and the Doctor's regenerations would have been different if his life took a different direction. That maybe the 3rd Doctor became "James Bond" because the 2nd Doctor perhaps felt he could of saved Jamie and Zoe if he was more of a man of action.
So they've George Lucas'd The War Games? EW!! 😁
No, no they haven't
@TheDoctorWhoDon Uh yeah, they did. Hell, the thumbnail alone shows that they added CGI'd stuff to the show that wasn't there original. I've watcched The War Games several times and Whitaker, Tennant, Capaldi, and Smith were never there before. There was no CGI Gallifrey city. Also, they screwed up the great cliffhanger with some horrible CGI regeneration scene that completely takes away from the show. Oh, and added an irritating soundtrack that is too loud for the dialogue along with adding in the Master's theme for the War Chief.
They haved 'Georde Lucas'd' it as if they had the original would not be available. This is nothing like George Lucas. The original still survives in its original form. This is an alternate way of watching. George Lucas stopped people from watching the originals and forced the re-edits to be the definitive versions. The War Games is still on iPlayer in its original 10 part form. This is a different way of watching for people who want to.
@TheDoctorWhoDon They George Lucas'd it as in they altered it.
Also, the original is not availble on Blu-Ray, only DVD. You could say the same about the original Star Wars trilogy as it's available on DVD.
However, I'm not being totally serious here. Sorry, I thought I had put a 😁 in the original post.
@TokuAndAnimationNewsNetwork But, the original will be on Blu-ray when the season 6 collection box set comes out, and it is also on the iPlayer. Also, as far as I know, the only way to watch the original versions of the 1st Star Wars trilogy is on VHS
Mixing new Who with the original series no thanks. Plus this ridiculous implication that the War Chief is The Master - he isn’t.
Terrance Dicks says he is...
@ That’s odd because I interviewed Terrance Dicks about ten years ago and asked him about this fan theory, and he categorically said they were two separate characters.
@@garyfinneyzair5738 he wrote a DW novel confirming them as the same.
@ I can only say what he said when I interviewed him. What was the novel out of interest ?
@@garyfinneyzair5738 Virgin New Adventure - Timewyrm: Exodus
Could you link a place for me to watch/read the interview you did with him?
This is genuinely some of the worst cringe I've ever seen. And I sat through Empire of Death
Then don't watch it.
Overreaction 🚨