Thank you both for this time in this amazing-and SO real-story. The “Daily Bread” episodes on the Patreon channel explored a powerful application of these chapters: how we may not be putting our lives on the line like these young men, but we definitely face losing the kind of life we want (or what we THINK we want or need/our timetable, etc). Applying “whosoever shall lose his life for my sake, the same shall find it”, to this story gives a whole new dimension to the Savior’s teaching.
Thank you brother Kerry and brother Wilcox for your time. I look forward to coming home from Church on Sunday afternoon and listen to your lessons, God bless us and our youth forever. Amen
Thank you for this podcast, especially the focus on Bishops and youth. My husband was newly sustained as a Bishop. Prior to his call, we both felt that the focus on youth wasn't as strong as it needed to be. I'm in YW, so we both are working towards changing the ward's expectation and culture about his focus. What especially was helpful was the idea of having an executive secretary to take care of the logistics, as he has been doing all of that himself (he did it when he was a counselor, but when he was released and in a different position, no one else took it up and the program floundered😢). Many thanks!
I have the same feelings about Primary. I think the expectations are far too low. In my new calling as CTR 7 class, I had the distinct impression that we needed to spend time in the scriptures. About half of my class remembers to bring their scriptures (8 year old!), and I borrow scriptures for the others. I am teaching them to gain skill marking important words and phrases, and all of them can now find the verse we are going to read. They take our studies seriously and ask excellent questions. They totally rose to these higher expectations.
I am so grateful for the amazing insights I gain from your knowledge and testimony. I look forward to your podcasts. I wish they came a little earlier. Even Saturday would help. I’m making you tube videos for my grandkids the Sunday before the CFM lesson and I need to learn from you before I do.😂😊
Thanks for the good work. Brilliant insights that help a great deal. Keep up the good work Kerry!!! When I grow up and get big, I'm going to be just like you.
"This war was won in the homes of those stripling warriors when they were young!" How important are the home centered programs and all that we do in teaching our children and grandchildren!
Hiya, this was illuminating in some areas for me. Fear seems to be a prevailing aspect of life these days for adults and children, manifesting in many anxieties. Arming myself has been a journey requiring continuous daily work. Brillant! Thank-you Both❣️
I am currently serving as a branch president, and many in our branch struggle with the fear and anxiety that you reference. I have pondered and sought the Lord’s direction in how to help them. Many of the answers that I have received are illustrated in the chapter block this week. First, a focus on covenants and their associated promises is essential to rid ourselves of the paralysis of fear and to re-establish hope. Second, understanding our potential based on President Nelson’s three primary identities adds inertia necessary to build spiritual momentum. Third, understanding what it means to stand against evil as Captain Moroni. I find Lehi’s admonition to his son’s to “arise” and “awake” in 2 Nephi 1:20-23 helpful. Obedience and unity provide the core action in resisting the Adversary. As I have implemented these elements in my personal life, all feelings of fear and anxiety have dissipated. Perhaps these things might be helpful in identifying the Lord’s will in helping you to find your way through it all.
I am going to be ever so much aware of the bishop and his time with the youth. I have to speak to him on Sunday, and I will keep it short and to the point!
You are so right!!! Those Lamanites would have left the Nephites alone after Zerahemnah's attack if it hadn't been for Nephite dissenters. So how can we best apply that to our lives and be better prepared as a result?
We need to look carefully at anyone who is advocating contentious behavior. Is it true, or just an emotional response? Are they just trying to manipulate us into actions to further their own ends. I cannot help but see our own political climate in these 'war chapters'.
@@carlajowebb2537 Amen to that! There is far to much success for evil because we are caught up in everyone else's emotional responses and we join in and the whole thing creates a pot of contention. Those emotional appeals are too easily used to get us to think, feel and act in a way that we would not normally think, feel or act.
@@carlajowebb2537This deeply concerns me as well. The connected, virtual world in which we participate, rewards the voices that accumulate the most clicks, likes, views and subscriptions. Those receiving the rewards have learned that negativity, fear, conflict and anxiety feed algorithms and attract people thus increasing the reward. Staying inside our fortifications as was pointed out in the podcast really is our best security. Our walls are built from covenants, obedience, righteous practices and unity.
Do our leaders measure up to Helaman? "Now it was the custom among all the Nephites to appoint for their chief captains, (save it were in their times of wickedness) some one that had the spirit of revelation and also prophecy" (3 Nephi 3:19) If the leaders of our youth are not prophets in their own right, being righteously gifted with the spirits of revelation and also prophecy, they youth have no one with which to make a covenant like the Stripling Warriors did. We need both. We need righteous youth who will covenant to hearken to the counsel of their righteous leaders, as their righteous leaders hearken to the Lord, obeying their leaders' commands with "exactness" (Alma 57:21), and we need leaders who will hearken to the Lord, obey His commandments, and keep His law. Then, and only then, will the conditions be met for the Near-Eastern Emperor/Vassal Covenant to provide us with miraculous deliverance in the face of certain destruction.
This is so important! President Nelson has certainly been asking us all to be where we can Hear Him, to where we receive personal revelation regularly. We should all be receiving inspiration for how we can help our children, grandchildren, nieces, etc. Those with callings to work with the youth should also certainly be receiving revelation about that. We all NEED it desperately. Our youth need it too!
I enjoyed this episode. And I think the lessons discussed regarding Pahoran and Captain Moroni are valuable for our society. However, I don't think the conclusions presented regarding Moroni and Pahoran have much basis in the text. In fact, there is quite a lot in the text that would suggest Moroni was the patient and forgiving one. Helaman appealed to the government several times for more men and supplies. He eventually received a small amount of supplies, but the men who brought them had no idea why there weren't more (Alma 58:34). It sounds like either the coup had not happened by that point , or it was a very quiet coup. Pahoran failed to keep his judgement seat, and he also failed to let anyone know his situation, or to warn them why he couldn't respond. As a result, many lives were lost (in Nephihah) and almost lost (the stripling warriors nearly starving to death). Had Moroni not written that letter, more would have died, including the stripling warriors. In the letter, Moroni outlined the steps he would take to reestablish the cause of freedom. Once those steps were outlined, Pahoran overcame his doubts about what action was justified and decided to take those exact steps and invited Moroni to join him. We like to think Pahoran was the hero through his patience, but that patience was responsible for many deaths and suffering. . It is easy for us to sit in our peaceful homes and say Moroni overreacted. But If we were living in that war and we could choose whether to risk our lives either with Moroni's leadership, or Pahoran's, we'd all choose Moroni's.
I very much agree and am sorry that it somehow came across another way in the podcast. I think that Moroni was mistaken about Pahoran's intents, and was operating on insufficient information. But I think he was inspired, and that while his inspiration mixed with some of his own assumptions, it was still inspiration and resulted in the steps that needed to be taken. You can listen to my daily thought (daily bread) on my Patreon website (TSAR.website) to hear me talk about how Moroni was inspired. Thanks for explaining this so well! This was a needed comment!
I appreciated the discussion regarding staying within our fortifications. I have found social media, television, news, politics and music have become so thoroughly saturated with pornography, violence, verbal conflict, vile language, etc. that I simply cannot participate in them. In order to stay fortified, I have turned them off and deleted the apps. I have gone so far as to return to paper scriptures with electronic devices as supplementary. The difference in the Spirit and safety that I feel is indescribable.
I so agree. I think BYU tv is pretty much what I watch these days because everything else is so saturated with that which drives the Spirit away. We are in desperate need of staying within those strong fortifications!
I think to get them to focus on their primary identities and to take charge of their testimony. President Nelson is pointing us that direction. I will also ask Brother Wilcox what he thinks.
This is from Dr. Wilcox: Read through the For the Strength of Youth guide. Discuss it together. Help them internalize those principles. We know the difference that Seminary makes and attendance at FSY conferences. Those are huge. A patriarchal blessing can give the youth a real and personal connection with God and a moment in their lives in which they recognize the Spirit in a powerful way and unforgettable way. Getting them to the House of the Lord for baptisms makes a difference. Beyond those spiritual efforts, let's get real: Too much social media and gaming is killing our youth. Manage screen time. Set some guidelines. Hope that helps. ________________________________________
I agree with both answers. When I was called to teach CTR 7s, I didn’t know what to do because I had never taught children. I was released as Gospel Doctrine, which I loved because we dove deeply. I was inspired to dive deep with my primary class too. I prepare deeply, then rely on the Holy Ghost to teach us all. We focus on Christ, the Holy Ghost, agency, and covenants. I want them to understand the importance of using their agency to qualify to have the Holy Ghost to be their companion after they have received the gift of the Holy Ghost. I connect these ideas to particular scriptures. Half of my 7 and 8 year olds remember to bring their own scriptures to class. I love my primary students, and I have high expectations for them, and they rise to those standards.
Knowing that my parents believed, hearing them pray in family prayer, and the music in primary had the most lasting impacts on me. Just knowing “I am a Child of God” gave me a sense of true identity and faith in a loving Father that carried me into adulthood and my mission.
Side note: the fruits of peace and prosperity following the stripling warriors only lasted for ~2-4 years. While the fruits of peace and prosperity after christ visited in 3 nephi lasted ~200 years. 🥳 🎊 🎉 If you ever have the opportunity to ask ai, "When considering the increased rhetoric from the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints to "endure to the end", "Let God prevail", and the repeated encouragement to be "peacemakers" and "peacekeepers", which among the stories of the anti-nephi-lehies and Captain Moroni and his Title of Liberty most closely match these ideas, precepts, and principles?", check out out! 🥳 🎊 🎉
Thank you both for this time in this amazing-and SO real-story.
The “Daily Bread” episodes on the Patreon channel explored a powerful application of these chapters: how we may not be putting our lives on the line like these young men, but we definitely face losing the kind of life we want (or what we THINK we want or need/our timetable, etc). Applying “whosoever shall lose his life for my sake, the same shall find it”, to this story gives a whole new dimension to the Savior’s teaching.
This is such wonderful and powerful stuff, isn't it!?!
Thank you brother Kerry and brother Wilcox for your time. I look forward to coming home from Church on Sunday afternoon and listen to your lessons, God bless us and our youth forever. Amen
I am so glad these discussions are a blessing to you. They surely are to me! Bless you, and may we all bless those around us with these principles.
Thank you for this podcast, especially the focus on Bishops and youth. My husband was newly sustained as a Bishop. Prior to his call, we both felt that the focus on youth wasn't as strong as it needed to be. I'm in YW, so we both are working towards changing the ward's expectation and culture about his focus. What especially was helpful was the idea of having an executive secretary to take care of the logistics, as he has been doing all of that himself (he did it when he was a counselor, but when he was released and in a different position, no one else took it up and the program floundered😢). Many thanks!
Bless you both! Go get em! There is so much great work to do!
I have the same feelings about Primary. I think the expectations are far too low. In my new calling as CTR 7 class, I had the distinct impression that we needed to spend time in the scriptures. About half of my class remembers to bring their scriptures (8 year old!), and I borrow scriptures for the others. I am teaching them to gain skill marking important words and phrases, and all of them can now find the verse we are going to read. They take our studies seriously and ask excellent questions. They totally rose to these higher expectations.
As usual, over far too soon. I always find your podcasts so edifying. Kerry and Brad are truly a dynamite duo.
We are both so glad it was helpful for you! It is so much fun, and I find myself so edified as well!
I am so grateful for the amazing insights I gain from your knowledge and testimony. I look forward to your podcasts. I wish they came a little earlier. Even Saturday would help. I’m making you tube videos for my grandkids the Sunday before the CFM lesson and I need to learn from you before I do.😂😊
I am glad they are helpful! You can get them several days earlier on our Patreon website: TSAR.website. I hope that is helpful for you.
Thanks for the good work. Brilliant insights that help a great deal. Keep up the good work Kerry!!! When I grow up and get big, I'm going to be just like you.
I am glad this was all helpful. There is so much good material in these chapters, and so many things we can learn.
As always, I have learned so much!! The scripture are real to our lives!!! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all!!!!
So glad it was helpful!
Turning point - when the stripping warriors show up! That gave me goosebumps.
It really makes you think, doesn't it?
51:50 This turning point was incredible to me. “This war was won in the homes of those stripling warriors when they were young.”
Isn't that an incredible lesson for us to learn, with such important ramifications!
"This war was won in the homes of those stripling warriors when they were young!"
How important are the home centered programs and all that we do in teaching our children and grandchildren!
Amen to that! We need to take this ever more seriously!
Hiya, this was illuminating in some areas for me. Fear seems to be a prevailing aspect of life these days for adults and children, manifesting in many anxieties. Arming myself has been a journey requiring continuous daily work. Brillant! Thank-you Both❣️
So true for all of us, that continuous daily work! This episode helped me that way too!
I am currently serving as a branch president, and many in our branch struggle with the fear and anxiety that you reference. I have pondered and sought the Lord’s direction in how to help them. Many of the answers that I have received are illustrated in the chapter block this week. First, a focus on covenants and their associated promises is essential to rid ourselves of the paralysis of fear and to re-establish hope. Second, understanding our potential based on President Nelson’s three primary identities adds inertia necessary to build spiritual momentum. Third, understanding what it means to stand against evil as Captain Moroni. I find Lehi’s admonition to his son’s to “arise” and “awake” in 2 Nephi 1:20-23 helpful. Obedience and unity provide the core action in resisting the Adversary. As I have implemented these elements in my personal life, all feelings of fear and anxiety have dissipated. Perhaps these things might be helpful in identifying the Lord’s will in helping you to find your way through it all.
Thanks so much for your excellent podcast!
I am so glad it was helpful for you. The Book of Mormon is an unending mine of powerful teachings!
Great thoughts and discussion. Thank you so much!
I am so glad it was helpful for you! There is so much good material here!
It looks like I have some work to do if I want to be like Helaman! Thanks! Another great episode.
Thank you! We all have some work if we want to help train up this amazing generation. Thank goodness the Lord can make us up to the task!
I am going to be ever so much aware of the bishop and his time with the youth. I have to speak to him on Sunday, and I will keep it short and to the point!
Any way we can support him in that effort will be a blessing!
Thank you Brad and Kerry! Amazing and uplifting!
If we are uplifting you, we are happy! Thanks for letting us know!
Thank you again for all you do to make this podcast great
I am so grateful it is helpful for you!
Mothers bring life through the veil, father shephard life back through it via the priesthood, this is the difference Bro Wilcox was looking for.
Thank you!
I think we need to remember it was fallen Nephites that were dragging the Lamanites and Nephites into these endless destructions.
You are so right!!! Those Lamanites would have left the Nephites alone after Zerahemnah's attack if it hadn't been for Nephite dissenters. So how can we best apply that to our lives and be better prepared as a result?
We need to look carefully at anyone who is advocating contentious behavior. Is it true, or just an emotional response? Are they just trying to manipulate us into actions to further their own ends. I cannot help but see our own political climate in these 'war chapters'.
@@carlajowebb2537 Amen to that! There is far to much success for evil because we are caught up in everyone else's emotional responses and we join in and the whole thing creates a pot of contention. Those emotional appeals are too easily used to get us to think, feel and act in a way that we would not normally think, feel or act.
@@carlajowebb2537This deeply concerns me as well. The connected, virtual world in which we participate, rewards the voices that accumulate the most clicks, likes, views and subscriptions. Those receiving the rewards have learned that negativity, fear, conflict and anxiety feed algorithms and attract people thus increasing the reward. Staying inside our fortifications as was pointed out in the podcast really is our best security. Our walls are built from covenants, obedience, righteous practices and unity.
Do our leaders measure up to Helaman?
"Now it was the custom among all the Nephites to appoint for their chief captains, (save it were in their times of wickedness) some one that had the spirit of revelation and also prophecy" (3 Nephi 3:19)
If the leaders of our youth are not prophets in their own right, being righteously gifted with the spirits of revelation and also prophecy, they youth have no one with which to make a covenant like the Stripling Warriors did. We need both.
We need righteous youth who will covenant to hearken to the counsel of their righteous leaders, as their righteous leaders hearken to the Lord, obeying their leaders' commands with "exactness" (Alma 57:21), and we need leaders who will hearken to the Lord, obey His commandments, and keep His law.
Then, and only then, will the conditions be met for the Near-Eastern Emperor/Vassal Covenant to provide us with miraculous deliverance in the face of certain destruction.
This is so important! President Nelson has certainly been asking us all to be where we can Hear Him, to where we receive personal revelation regularly. We should all be receiving inspiration for how we can help our children, grandchildren, nieces, etc. Those with callings to work with the youth should also certainly be receiving revelation about that. We all NEED it desperately. Our youth need it too!
I enjoyed this episode. And I think the lessons discussed regarding Pahoran and Captain Moroni are valuable for our society. However, I don't think the conclusions presented regarding Moroni and Pahoran have much basis in the text. In fact, there is quite a lot in the text that would suggest Moroni was the patient and forgiving one. Helaman appealed to the government several times for more men and supplies. He eventually received a small amount of supplies, but the men who brought them had no idea why there weren't more (Alma 58:34). It sounds like either the coup had not happened by that point , or it was a very quiet coup. Pahoran failed to keep his judgement seat, and he also failed to let anyone know his situation, or to warn them why he couldn't respond. As a result, many lives were lost (in Nephihah) and almost lost (the stripling warriors nearly starving to death). Had Moroni not written that letter, more would have died, including the stripling warriors. In the letter, Moroni outlined the steps he would take to reestablish the cause of freedom. Once those steps were outlined, Pahoran overcame his doubts about what action was justified and decided to take those exact steps and invited Moroni to join him. We like to think Pahoran was the hero through his patience, but that patience was responsible for many deaths and suffering.
. It is easy for us to sit in our peaceful homes and say Moroni overreacted. But If we were living in that war and we could choose whether to risk our lives either with Moroni's leadership, or Pahoran's, we'd all choose Moroni's.
I very much agree and am sorry that it somehow came across another way in the podcast. I think that Moroni was mistaken about Pahoran's intents, and was operating on insufficient information. But I think he was inspired, and that while his inspiration mixed with some of his own assumptions, it was still inspiration and resulted in the steps that needed to be taken. You can listen to my daily thought (daily bread) on my Patreon website (TSAR.website) to hear me talk about how Moroni was inspired.
Thanks for explaining this so well! This was a needed comment!
Great insights into character and understanding of trials and faith Thanks for your time to teach and share.
Our pleasure! These are important topics. I am just thrilled if it was helpful. Bless you!
I appreciated the discussion regarding staying within our fortifications. I have found social media, television, news, politics and music have become so thoroughly saturated with pornography, violence, verbal conflict, vile language, etc. that I simply cannot participate in them. In order to stay fortified, I have turned them off and deleted the apps. I have gone so far as to return to paper scriptures with electronic devices as supplementary. The difference in the Spirit and safety that I feel is indescribable.
I so agree. I think BYU tv is pretty much what I watch these days because everything else is so saturated with that which drives the Spirit away. We are in desperate need of staying within those strong fortifications!
You guys rock!
I am thrilled it was helpful for you! Bless you!
Fantastic!!
So glad it was helpful!
What would be your #1 tip to help prepare our youth to become like the stripling warriors while at a primary age?
I think to get them to focus on their primary identities and to take charge of their testimony. President Nelson is pointing us that direction. I will also ask Brother Wilcox what he thinks.
This is from Dr. Wilcox: Read through the For the Strength of Youth guide. Discuss it together. Help them internalize those principles. We know the difference that Seminary makes and attendance at FSY conferences. Those are huge. A patriarchal blessing can give the youth a real and personal connection with God and a moment in their lives in which they recognize the Spirit in a powerful way and unforgettable way. Getting them to the House of the Lord for baptisms makes a difference. Beyond those spiritual efforts, let's get real: Too much social media and gaming is killing our youth. Manage screen time. Set some guidelines. Hope that helps.
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I agree with both answers. When I was called to teach CTR 7s, I didn’t know what to do because I had never taught children. I was released as Gospel Doctrine, which I loved because we dove deeply. I was inspired to dive deep with my primary class too. I prepare deeply, then rely on the Holy Ghost to teach us all. We focus on Christ, the Holy Ghost, agency, and covenants. I want them to understand the importance of using their agency to qualify to have the Holy Ghost to be their companion after they have received the gift of the Holy Ghost. I connect these ideas to particular scriptures. Half of my 7 and 8 year olds remember to bring their own scriptures to class. I love my primary students, and I have high expectations for them, and they rise to those standards.
Knowing that my parents believed, hearing them pray in family prayer, and the music in primary had the most lasting impacts on me. Just knowing “I am a Child of God” gave me a sense of true identity and faith in a loving Father that carried me into adulthood and my mission.
Side note: the fruits of peace and prosperity following the stripling warriors only lasted for ~2-4 years. While the fruits of peace and prosperity after christ visited in 3 nephi lasted ~200 years.
🥳 🎊 🎉
If you ever have the opportunity to ask ai, "When considering the increased rhetoric from the church of jesus christ of latter-day saints to "endure to the end", "Let God prevail", and the repeated encouragement to be "peacemakers" and "peacekeepers", which among the stories of the anti-nephi-lehies and Captain Moroni and his Title of Liberty most closely match these ideas, precepts, and principles?", check out out! 🥳 🎊 🎉
I will have to do it sometime.
❤❤❤BRAVO 👏👏👏💕🌈
So glad it was helpful for you!
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So glad it was useful and uplifting for you!