The “you know what we’ve been through” goes even deeper. For TV writing, you have to write as episodic as possible, or else you just lose viewers. Many viewers miss episodes, or just tune in during the big climatic moments, plus the long gap between seasons and duration of seasons people forget details, and when episodes are too connected viewers tap out. If you watch tv with this in mind it is very eye opening to see how creatively they play around this while still telling an overarching story
The way Howesenberg called the Commonwealth soliders power rangers. My dad called them storm troopers the minute he saw them. Korotos called them by what I think is the correct comparison. They look way more like stormtroopers than power rangers. 😭
been watching for a good long while now, came for the walking dead, and now im looking forward to each entry more to hear your thoughts once more, your work is well appreciated
I just want to say thanks, because of these retrospects i've bought the 4 walking dead compendiums. I'm at 'no way out' and its great. As you've said before the show hasn't strayed far from the books but i'm excited to get further into the comics, so I can se the true evil of kirkman.
Weirdly, I can't think of anyone I know with a pedal bike outside of children. Even then, the ones older than 9/10yrs old would use their motorbikes now they're old enough to not need supervision. Never thought about it until you said it. Thank you for another great video
Fpund Koroto woth the AOT analysis and thos dudes quirky cadence and personality kept me around for... Well every other video Koroto posts pretty much. Love this guy's work.
I just spent the last 2 or so days watching this retrospective series and allow me to just say, as someone who has neither read the comics or seen the show, you're explaining things extremely well between the both of them, I somehow still find myself invested despite the format I'm consuming this through. Can't wait for the next episode
I liked here's negan, but I still wish it would have gone more into him, forming the saviors and how he becomes the negan we see at the end of season 6.
Flashbacks in season 7 would’ve done wonders. Fixed some pacing issues, given megan more humanity way earlier, and provide more original content that ISNT the garbage people
@mcdabb7226 not even flashbacks, but just more dialogue and context. Even just to see more of the regular Saviors and workers, people who have been living at the Sanctuary but aren't monsters and assholes like the rest of them, and the families of people who died at the satellite outpost. To get more backstory to the Saviors, why they follow Negan, why he believes he's saving people, seeing the Saviors take out an outside threat that was going to attack Alexandria, explain more of why they did what they did. Because they tried to add layers to Negan and explained some of his backstory with losing Lucille and making weak people strong and that the leader before was even worse, but all the time he just seemed like a tyrant and the Saviors just terrorised other communities because they could. But then Daryl explained in 9x1 that they couldn't grow food at the Sanctuary and that's why they forced the other communities to produce for them, which explained so much of their motivations! There was also an incredible scene in the season 8 finale that was cut of Negan that wouldve added a lot of context and emotion to the Savior side in the war
a season retrospective for the rick and michonne show would be the best, not having to do it week by week just getting it done in a single video like when you go into avatar coverage
Just imagine a direct animated adaptation of the comic,with kirkman's direction, Andrew voicing Rick and everyone else reprising their roles but as their comic counterparts,if only TWD franchize wasnt held hostage by AMC...hell i would be happy if its just a motion comic.
I disagree with your analysis on negan just becoming a badass with no explanation being bad. In his first speech hells the story about what he did to the guy who didn’t let his wife hear her song and how he almost killed him. I think Lucille was the dam that held the rage negan had in him. And just like any man whod lose their wife, all they’d see is Red and would do anything to give payback to those they deem deserve the blame for it. Idk maybe I’m wrong but it made sense to me
I think the only counter argument is: are we only watching to see these characters die? Is the only way to add emotional and narrative weight to these stories for an important character to die? Is that what these stories are always leading to? Is that the only climax and conclusion that can be satisfying? Because obviously yes, the Whisperer war wouldve been more impactful and significant if it resulted in a big character death, but is that the only way to make it impactful, or is it more about the struggle the characters go through, their character development from the beginning to the end of the arc, the loss they experience in other ways, and the iconic pivotal moments of shock, horror and awe?
I actually thought the reapers were a pretty interesting threat Think about it. Everyone else we’ve seen at this point has just been regular people. The reapers were trained. Sure maybe some of them were civilians but the implication is that most of them are highly skilled. And they employ a hit and run strategy so they have that going for them too. Every battle we saw up to that point (aside from the whisperer war) you could just solve the problem by shooting some people. But the reapers overwhelmed them, forced them to split up, hunted them. It was a real bitch to kill just one They had to rely on dumb luck, sneak attacks and a page from the whisperer handbook just to stand a goddamn chance (a detail which I also appreciated)
i really respect kirkman for killing off andrea it would have been SOOO easy for him to keep her alive for the rest of the series and keep the grimes family together but he actually had the balls to kill her off unlike the tv show where no major character dies during the whisperer war
@@Maven-g1oSiddiq was possible killed off because of bts issues. Kinda f'd no characters died in s10/11 after the Pikes, Rosia doesn't count cause the actress had to force it.
@@damndude999 yeah pretty much the only big non villain deaths were Alden and Rosita, but even then the actress asked to be killed off and gave Alden possibly the worst the death in the series.
@@damndude999 that's probably the case. Though I do find it weird when the fans would get mad about a character dying in a show called the walking dead especially when it was at one point known for killing characters lol
Negan was violent and capable before the world fell. He beat the hell out of a guy for pretty much no reason. He's always been violent, but his wife and society kept him mostly in check. Without society he had his wife, and when his wife died that violent and sadistic side had nothing keeping it back and everything bringing it to the surface. The world he was in and what happened to his wife amplified that part of him. It's no surprise to me at all that he started going around beating people to death.
Sure, but there’s a huge difference between losing his shit and beating up some asshole in a bar versus becoming full-blown villain Negan over night like he’s Charlie transforming into Hank from Me, Myself, and Irene especially given how wimpy we see him throughout the apocalypse up to that point. It would be like Rick going from Season 1 “officer friendly Rick” straight into Season 5 “murder jacket Rick” over night because Lori died without the four seasons of build up to make him that way. Obviously, they can’t fit four seasons of build up into one episode for Negan, but maybe they could’ve done something of a montage like the Here’s Negan comic just to show that there was a transition as opposed to Negan flipping a switch and suddenly becoming the violent Negan that we know.
Hi Korotos! I love your retrospective videos so much. I was wondering, are you also going to do a retrospective series for Fear The Walking Dead when you’re done with The Walking Dead?
Ya know, I've read the comics, and watched the show, and if they came out with the animated comic adaptation, id watch that too and be happy for it lol
I wish that they never drawn out the all out war and whisper arc for too long. I watch this rewrite someone did on youtube where he had season 7 being only the all out war and 8 being the whisper then 9 being the last season with the commonwealth but watching it makes me a little upset as i wish thats twd we got towards the end. 9 really good solid seasons instead of 11 with the last few being a mess
Negan literally almost killed someone pre apocalypse leading to him losing his job, meaning the Negan we saw the night Lucille died was always there, he literally had a monolgue explaining it.
That's what I always thought they should've done with a spinoff. Would've been really interesting seeing Negan transform into what he eventually turned into, plus seeing characters like Simon, Dwight, Sherry, Alden and other saviors as the apocalypse was still in it's early days.
Man if they did an animated TWD show, the only thing I’d want to change is to make Rick look like Andy Lincoln and get voiced by him too. Other than that , stay 100% faithful!
I definitely agree on Here's Negan. I was looking for more of a Saviors origin story than a Negan origin story. While casting JDM's wife meant they absolutely nailed the chemistry between Negan and Lucille and how he transformed from an angry but weak gym teacher playing Gears of War in his basement and cheating on her while she gets diagnosed with cancer, the rest of his backstory is problematic because of the timeline and how Negan just flipped from struggling to kill a walker to John Wick, and I don't like that his surname is Smith 😂. Also his line to generic biker gang leader that he is capable of damn near anything, again, how did losing his wife turn him into a post apocalyptic King in one day? And did he take too long finding her medicine and she died/committed suicide to spare him from the burden or herself from suffering, or did he take too long on purpose because he couldn't face her and she killed herself to stop the pain?
Yes thats a problem with TWD after season 7, All the main characters became super and never died. Thats what madebTWD and game of thrones so greatbis the shock of losing main characters showing that no one was safe
As much as I love The Walking Dead I have to admit that season 9 and 10 just feel like they’re missing something, i’m not entirely sure if it’s the lack of real stakes like you’ve mentioned, I’m not really opposed to the characters not dying at this point in the show considering how experienced they all are. Although Magna and Connie surviving was too much and didn’t really make sense, as glad as I am that Connie didn’t die, it just felt really cheap. I’m not sure what you think of season 11 but in all honesty season 11 was my favorite season of the entire show since season 4 and 5. The ending battle with blowing up all the walkers in a cgi explosion was pretty stupid and underwhelming and just didn’t feel all that climatic, but I thought everything else was pretty good. The way the whispers were handled in the show just didn’t feel quite right to me, I think it’s just the fact that whenever they were on screen it was immediately obvious which ones were whisperers in the show never really played around much with the whole “any one of these walkers could be a person“ concept. I just don’t think it translated very well to the TV screen, aside from playing with that more I’m not really sure what they could’ve done to make them feel scarier or more intimidating. Although the character drama was still always really good right up until the ending in my opinion, and it’s what kept me watching, there’s still tons of dialogue and scenes in the last 3 seasons that get to me emotionally. Even the ending monologue at the very ending of the show between Rick and Michonne just strikes me as incredibly powerful. I’ve really enjoyed your retrospective on this series, and it’s cool learning how it contrasts to the source material.
Definitely felt the decline & watched just because I was use to it & my DVR recorded it & I had been so into it I had to see it to the end. But I agree with mostly everything you said.
id like to think.. (my theory) that the reason the reaper arc happened. in the show.. was because they will appear as a 'earlier' moment from ricks time at crm.. on ricks show - maybe we see them or the event. of being 'left for dead' in that massive 'fire' pope spoke of, maybe by beale's command.. (that huge event that, caused them to move and keep moving) we know pope & co ended up doing a few jobs clearing/killing settlements for lance at commonwealth - b4 lea ends up leaving darryl to go back to them.. and we all see their demise with negan and maggie.. yeah.. id like to see a small appearance of pope being f'd over by beale.. in a mix bag from rick telling michonne.. ''along the way while i was inside crm'' - insert quick time-filler flashback pope story - can be done in less than 3-5 minute screentime.. like.. " well michonne - that's when i knew beale was a light of the world maniac - and why i cant leave now - till we can return the military rule back to the people" senario.... or something like that.. just a small touch.. that shows us where the reapers came from!! cos at the end of the day - all we know is they got darryl, negan and maggie'd to death.. lol and it would be a tidy tie in.. and make up for throwing that random group, and a darryl girlfriend in the mix outa no where...
"When it comes to retellings of certain things that have already happened in the same story, editors might insist on just cutting it as one could argue that it is redundant" One Piece editors: 😳
I know tom payne wanted to leave but I'd have loved it if jesus and aaron became a proper couple and one of them had to deal with the death of the other after the war. The time skip between episode 5 and 6 was big enough for them to believably have a relationship as close as rick and andrea
Hey Korotos once your done with the walking dead maybe you could do a new retrospective series on the animated show Invincible that is something I would actually really look foward to waching.
Ehh, they're completely different shows, so I don't think I can really compare them in any way. 😅 That said, I don't watch basically any other super hero story, so it's certainly got _something_ that instantly got me hooked. tl;dr - it's just a really good show
Well if you do ever decide to start doing a retrospective series on invincible then we can see how long that series is able to follow that chart you made for the walking dead seasons 1 through 5.
The bonus episodes were a complete waste of time. I can't believe we had to wait half a year for the finale only to wait almost as long for filler episodes that added nothing and just existed to fill time. Yes I know there was a pandemic going on, but other shows managed to do more and show me on screen. Yes there was Maggie's introduction, the introduction of Leah (🤮), Gabriel and Aaron's episode was good but inconsequential, and Here's Negan was a god sent, but even that is problematic because of how it screws up the timeline and inconsistencies. They also finally changed to digital after 10 years of film, but the quality of the writing didnt match the quality of the cinematography. And even in 11A things were very lacking and slow, and it took 5 episodes to finally get to the Commonwealth, after waiting over a year from the original season 10 finale cliffhanger. So much of 10C could be cut and it would make no difference, Leah and the Reapers sucked and Princess' PTSD imaginary hallucinations never come up again, and nobody, NOBODY asked for 40 minutes of Carol making soup and chasing a rat and Daryl fixing his bike! Did that actually happen?? Everything in 10C and 11A couldve and shouldve been told in 8 episodes, and include 11x9 in that too because the 11x8 cliffhanger was fucking diabolical. I would rather have waited a year but the restrictions to end or whatever excuse the had for such shoody writing and pacing of the final season to get a concise and consistent 8 episodes. Idk if the Commonwealth needed to be just 16 episodes or 24 or 2 seasons, but the way it was handled was really poorly executed. Add to that waiting forever and a day for ANY update on the Rick "movies" and knowing about the spinoffs, this was a very rough time for TWD fans
i think the ending talking about negans sudden shift when killing the bikers ignores the story he tells the guy at the end, hes literally recounting the time he almost beat a man to death in public then took his money and went back to dancing with his wife, that violent, sadistic side to negan was always there but it was repressed because modern society does not and should not allow people to demonstrate those traits. Like negan said "back then seeing red was a bad thing, i was a bad man... but now when i see red it is only a matter of what I am capable of". I really love negans character but I honestly agree that negan being presented as a good guy who did bad things was kind of dissapointing and it felt like s10 itself was flipflopping on whether negan is a good guy or not. He kidnapped Lydia, but then he still acts like a dad to her, he helped to trap the people in and burn down the hilltop but then everyone acts like he never did it. I would also like to say those bikers had like three guys and before lucilles death he had something to keep him anchored in the world but after she died he had no reason to supress that side of himself and no one to look after.
I honestly could not care less that Negan’s last name is Smith. Like yes when I saw it on the mailbox I knew it was his last name, but no I refuse. He will never be Negan Smith to me, he’s Negan. Negan sounds infinitely cooler and I refuse to call that man by his last name lmaoo
I disagree with a lot of your show opinions only about the emotion. I cried when Henry died, cried at most sad moments lol I’m super empathic and I feel deeply for these characters!
Ironically. My last name has been mispronounced since i wss born. If i typed it out here id bet nobody here could pronounce it properly. Even my childhood best friend struggled to pronounce it. But you know whats even MORE ironic? I was adopted. My original last name was gonna be smith.
The reapers arc was terrible, but I disagree with the whisperer arc having nothing resembling the loss Rick had but forget carols arc. I will admit it’s not done as well but it exist.
It sucked cause she keeped flip flopping to the point it felt the writers didn't know what to do, add no major consequences coming from it makes it bland and boring.
Carols arc was good,until they forgot consequences exist and decided to write her as an emotional idiot who gets what she wants and everyone forgives her,they even had the nerve to nerf Negans intelligence
@@lexzeyfercronus the sad part is Kang reworked the whole Whisper Arc just for Carol, a character that wasn't even alive in the source material at this point.
You know, you bring up the whole "no reprecussions/consequences" for all the stupid crap in the show that should have averse effects and I came to a realization that was pushed into the back of my mind with the show: It feels like this overly comfortable feel for the TV show was because of Talking Dead. Allow me to explain in this comment essay below: So one of the things the talk show Talking Dead, the show that comes on after every new The Walking Dead episode, did was often try to remove all the moral dilemma from everything. Biggest examples I could think of is with Fat Joey in Season 7 and Rick killing the Saviors at the bar in Season 8. In those cases Chris would often dumb those things down and word what happened in a way that for the average joe schmoe that has a hard time with heroes having faults, made the blame almost entirely nonexistent on Rick or Daryl for the horrid things they did. So come Daryl becoming the main star of the show now that Rick is gone? Well Daryl is a fan favorite right? If he dies we riot? Well with that we now get badass action hero shit with Carol and Daryl, alongside Sniper Daddy Gabriel and Rick 2- I mean Aaron. All the while those pesky moral dilemmas and all that that made the show and comic compelling? Too complex for Joe and Betsy watching on the idiot box! So now? Cartoonishly evil Beta! The Commonwealth? Well they are enemies to our group from frame 1 so might as well get to killing them and ignoring how they are handling the actual honest to god long time still in training militia. Now you could say that I am making a stretch with connecting this to Talking Dead but... Not really in my experience. So many people often around work and shit when I worked at a comic store used to parrot what Chris Hardwick and others said on that show. Which in turn, made the vocal idiot box watchers speak over the more nuanced viewers and here we are. Also sidenote, you know how Kirkman said the comic would be 300 issues but ended on Issue 193? What if he trolls us by having a 107 issue series of the gap between 192 and 193 featuring exclusively Carl? We know Carl wouldn't die but still seeing his growing journey would be fucking cool.
How dare you... How dare you not cover my favorite episode of the show: The Carol soul episode. Season 10 episode 21"Diverged" is quite possibly the greatest piece of media ever to be produced, dare I say god himself was involved in the production of this masterful, tear-jerking, extravagant episode.... no, to call it an episode would be inaccurate, it is an experience. Carol's struggle against the rat is metaphorical for the abundance of willpower, strength and determination humans must summon to challenge and conquer life's adversities; when Carol finally achieved her goal my entire family burst into tears of unbridled joy, we shared in Carol's triumph, it was palpable. As Alexander pope once said "To err is human, to forgive divine", Well, "korotos Mystery Shack", you have not made a mere, menial error, you have committed a mortal sin of the highest degree and I'm going to dedicate my life to honoring this masterclass in media, and with my dying breath i will praise this episode. Diverged, my beloved, I will never forget you.
Can't wait until you get to last season so I can finally have closure without having to actually watch the rest of the show. I was patient and stuck through it for all its low points, but the dragging in last season just couldn't keep my interest. Then I found out about the spin-offs and the fact that the there's no true ending, and I just didn't bother.
I like to think that after Lucille died Negan became a decent fighter because he had nobody left to loose. He didn't care if he lived or died at that point.
I really liked the last 2 seasons of the show but thats mainly because negan and daryl were my favorite characters. I really enjoyed negans redemption arc.
The only episodes I thought were really good from season 10 were episodes 5,7,11,12 and 22 honestly all the other episodes range from average to just dull/bad episodes
I love how this series is called a "brief" retrospective
Also congrats on 100k
It is brief, you don't want to see the long version 🗿
@@Koroto oh I do want to see the longer version actually
@@Koroto You should troll the algorithm by releasing each season retrospective as a 10 hour compilation.
@@Korotodon’t tempt me
Another BANGER! Also, seriously, an animated Walking Dead done by Kirkman and a small dedicated team would be UNREAL
Absolutely! The only thing that I fear is that Kirkman himself just might not want to work on TWD anymore and focus on his other projects. 😢
I completely agree.
It could be the ultimate twd experience combining aspect from the comic and TV show
The studio that did Invincible, obviously. 👍
The “you know what we’ve been through” goes even deeper. For TV writing, you have to write as episodic as possible, or else you just lose viewers. Many viewers miss episodes, or just tune in during the big climatic moments, plus the long gap between seasons and duration of seasons people forget details, and when episodes are too connected viewers tap out. If you watch tv with this in mind it is very eye opening to see how creatively they play around this while still telling an overarching story
When the world needed him most, he returned.
I wouldn't mind if some of the live action actors voiced their animated counterparts if an animated Walking Dead show ever happens.
Robert Patrick will always be the T-1000 from Terminator 2 for me
13:48 if they made an animated show based on the comics continuity and style that would be sick imo
Oh man, a comic accurate TWD animated show similar to Invincible would be amazing.
You and Howesenberg have very different takes on certain characters and I freaking love it. He hates Princess you like Princess! It’s great lmao
The way Howesenberg called the Commonwealth soliders power rangers. My dad called them storm troopers the minute he saw them. Korotos called them by what I think is the correct comparison. They look way more like stormtroopers than power rangers. 😭
Babe wake up a twd retrospective was posted
Yes of course I want you to cover The Ones Who Live, as well as the rest of The Walking Dead Universe.
Congrats for the 100k 🎉
WOOOO HERES NEGAN BAYBEE
Also horses can carry far more gear than a bike can.
You‘ve never used a cargo bike, have you?
been watching for a good long while now, came for the walking dead, and now im looking forward to each entry more to hear your thoughts once more, your work is well appreciated
Congratulations on 100k!
It's all thanks to you folks! 🙇♂️
Literally needed this, many thanks for content my friend just started the series over too
I just want to say thanks, because of these retrospects i've bought the 4 walking dead compendiums. I'm at 'no way out' and its great. As you've said before the show hasn't strayed far from the books but i'm excited to get further into the comics, so I can se the true evil of kirkman.
Weirdly, I can't think of anyone I know with a pedal bike outside of children. Even then, the ones older than 9/10yrs old would use their motorbikes now they're old enough to not need supervision.
Never thought about it until you said it. Thank you for another great video
Never thought I would care what happened in the comics, but your videos made me want to actually read the comics. Thank you! 🤗✨
Fpund Koroto woth the AOT analysis and thos dudes quirky cadence and personality kept me around for... Well every other video Koroto posts pretty much. Love this guy's work.
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Congratz on 100k!
Many thanks, it's a scary number! 😅
Always down for Princess appreciation hours, her bond with Eugene is part of why I enjoy both characters so much in season 11
For sure, her dynamic with Eugene was prime TWD shenanigans 😂
I just spent the last 2 or so days watching this retrospective series and allow me to just say, as someone who has neither read the comics or seen the show, you're explaining things extremely well between the both of them, I somehow still find myself invested despite the format I'm consuming this through. Can't wait for the next episode
Congrats on 100k
I liked here's negan, but I still wish it would have gone more into him, forming the saviors and how he becomes the negan we see at the end of season 6.
Flashbacks in season 7 would’ve done wonders. Fixed some pacing issues, given megan more humanity way earlier, and provide more original content that ISNT the garbage people
Yeah same
@mcdabb7226 not even flashbacks, but just more dialogue and context. Even just to see more of the regular Saviors and workers, people who have been living at the Sanctuary but aren't monsters and assholes like the rest of them, and the families of people who died at the satellite outpost. To get more backstory to the Saviors, why they follow Negan, why he believes he's saving people, seeing the Saviors take out an outside threat that was going to attack Alexandria, explain more of why they did what they did. Because they tried to add layers to Negan and explained some of his backstory with losing Lucille and making weak people strong and that the leader before was even worse, but all the time he just seemed like a tyrant and the Saviors just terrorised other communities because they could. But then Daryl explained in 9x1 that they couldn't grow food at the Sanctuary and that's why they forced the other communities to produce for them, which explained so much of their motivations! There was also an incredible scene in the season 8 finale that was cut of Negan that wouldve added a lot of context and emotion to the Savior side in the war
I was here for TWD, but I stayed for the Scorpion stanning
Congrats on 100k!!!
a season retrospective for the rick and michonne show would be the best, not having to do it week by week just getting it done in a single video like when you go into avatar coverage
my god. The Gabe and Aaron video was such an amazing episode. On first watch Im pretty sure I just watched it again.
Great video! I love your TWD content! ❤
Just imagine a direct animated adaptation of the comic,with kirkman's direction, Andrew voicing Rick and everyone else reprising their roles but as their comic counterparts,if only TWD franchize wasnt held hostage by AMC...hell i would be happy if its just a motion comic.
We can only dream 😭
Hey Koroto love your work! European here too! Where are you from? We might be neighbours!
Almost certainly not haha, I'm from Latvia. 😅
@@Koroto haha Greek here! The thing about the bikes is so totally true
Been watching this retrospective series sense season 3
A true og
That guy was T-1000, in the Gabe and Aaron episode. Unless I'm tripping lol. I swear to god that's who it was
I disagree with your analysis on negan just becoming a badass with no explanation being bad. In his first speech hells the story about what he did to the guy who didn’t let his wife hear her song and how he almost killed him. I think Lucille was the dam that held the rage negan had in him. And just like any man whod lose their wife, all they’d see is Red and would do anything to give payback to those they deem deserve the blame for it. Idk maybe I’m wrong but it made sense to me
I really didn't notice that you didn't talk about the soup episode 😂
congrats on 100k!
All thanks to you folks! 🙇♂️
WOOHOO! love this series
I think the only counter argument is: are we only watching to see these characters die? Is the only way to add emotional and narrative weight to these stories for an important character to die? Is that what these stories are always leading to? Is that the only climax and conclusion that can be satisfying? Because obviously yes, the Whisperer war wouldve been more impactful and significant if it resulted in a big character death, but is that the only way to make it impactful, or is it more about the struggle the characters go through, their character development from the beginning to the end of the arc, the loss they experience in other ways, and the iconic pivotal moments of shock, horror and awe?
I actually thought the reapers were a pretty interesting threat
Think about it. Everyone else we’ve seen at this point has just been regular people. The reapers were trained. Sure maybe some of them were civilians but the implication is that most of them are highly skilled. And they employ a hit and run strategy so they have that going for them too.
Every battle we saw up to that point (aside from the whisperer war) you could just solve the problem by shooting some people. But the reapers overwhelmed them, forced them to split up, hunted them. It was a real bitch to kill just one
They had to rely on dumb luck, sneak attacks and a page from the whisperer handbook just to stand a goddamn chance (a detail which I also appreciated)
i really respect kirkman for killing off andrea it would have been SOOO easy for him to keep her alive for the rest of the series and keep the grimes family together but he actually had the balls to kill her off unlike the tv show where no major character dies during the whisperer war
Unless you wanna count Siddiq, Alpha, and Beta, but Siddiq wasn't that big of a character and the rest were just villains
@@Maven-g1oSiddiq was possible killed off because of bts issues. Kinda f'd no characters died in s10/11 after the Pikes, Rosia doesn't count cause the actress had to force it.
@@damndude999 yeah pretty much the only big non villain deaths were Alden and Rosita, but even then the actress asked to be killed off and gave Alden possibly the worst the death in the series.
@@Maven-g1o my theory is amc was to afriad to kill anyone, they knew the only fanbase watching weekly where the ones that hated character deaths
@@damndude999 that's probably the case. Though I do find it weird when the fans would get mad about a character dying in a show called the walking dead especially when it was at one point known for killing characters lol
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Negan was violent and capable before the world fell. He beat the hell out of a guy for pretty much no reason. He's always been violent, but his wife and society kept him mostly in check. Without society he had his wife, and when his wife died that violent and sadistic side had nothing keeping it back and everything bringing it to the surface. The world he was in and what happened to his wife amplified that part of him. It's no surprise to me at all that he started going around beating people to death.
Sure, but there’s a huge difference between losing his shit and beating up some asshole in a bar versus becoming full-blown villain Negan over night like he’s Charlie transforming into Hank from Me, Myself, and Irene especially given how wimpy we see him throughout the apocalypse up to that point.
It would be like Rick going from Season 1 “officer friendly Rick” straight into Season 5 “murder jacket Rick” over night because Lori died without the four seasons of build up to make him that way.
Obviously, they can’t fit four seasons of build up into one episode for Negan, but maybe they could’ve done something of a montage like the Here’s Negan comic just to show that there was a transition as opposed to Negan flipping a switch and suddenly becoming the violent Negan that we know.
I hope Robert Kirkman does make the walking dead comics into a animated series and its just like the books
I agree Negans arc in the whisper war was definitely the funniest I’ve seen his character 👏🏼🔥😂
Hi Korotos! I love your retrospective videos so much. I was wondering, are you also going to do a retrospective series for Fear The Walking Dead when you’re done with The Walking Dead?
I really couldn't care less about anything that was happening at that time but "Here's Negan" remains one of my favorite TWD episodes to this date.
i feel like princesses actress would be good as a character in one piece, idk who tho
She's certainly got a OP personality 😂😂
god, i miss the walking dead season 3, 4, 5, and even 6. it was going sooo well.
Ya know, I've read the comics, and watched the show, and if they came out with the animated comic adaptation, id watch that too and be happy for it lol
I am PRAYING we get a Negan prequel but i know we wont i just genuienly want to see how he essentially became a cult leader
watching Here’s Negan before reading Here’s Negan:
:D
watching Here’s Negan after reading Here’s Negan:
D:
Nooo i'm all caught up on this series, waiting for more!
I wish that they never drawn out the all out war and whisper arc for too long. I watch this rewrite someone did on youtube where he had season 7 being only the all out war and 8 being the whisper then 9 being the last season with the commonwealth but watching it makes me a little upset as i wish thats twd we got towards the end. 9 really good solid seasons instead of 11 with the last few being a mess
Negan literally almost killed someone pre apocalypse leading to him losing his job, meaning the Negan we saw the night Lucille died was always there, he literally had a monolgue explaining it.
they need a negan show during the beginning of the apocalypse
That's what I always thought they should've done with a spinoff. Would've been really interesting seeing Negan transform into what he eventually turned into, plus seeing characters like Simon, Dwight, Sherry, Alden and other saviors as the apocalypse was still in it's early days.
Would love to see you cover “The Ones Who Live”
really excited for season 11
Man if they did an animated TWD show, the only thing I’d want to change is to make Rick look like Andy Lincoln and get voiced by him too. Other than that , stay 100% faithful!
I definitely agree on Here's Negan. I was looking for more of a Saviors origin story than a Negan origin story. While casting JDM's wife meant they absolutely nailed the chemistry between Negan and Lucille and how he transformed from an angry but weak gym teacher playing Gears of War in his basement and cheating on her while she gets diagnosed with cancer, the rest of his backstory is problematic because of the timeline and how Negan just flipped from struggling to kill a walker to John Wick, and I don't like that his surname is Smith 😂. Also his line to generic biker gang leader that he is capable of damn near anything, again, how did losing his wife turn him into a post apocalyptic King in one day? And did he take too long finding her medicine and she died/committed suicide to spare him from the burden or herself from suffering, or did he take too long on purpose because he couldn't face her and she killed herself to stop the pain?
Yes thats a problem with TWD after season 7, All the main characters became super and never died. Thats what madebTWD and game of thrones so greatbis the shock of losing main characters showing that no one was safe
As much as I love The Walking Dead I have to admit that season 9 and 10 just feel like they’re missing something, i’m not entirely sure if it’s the lack of real stakes like you’ve mentioned, I’m not really opposed to the characters not dying at this point in the show considering how experienced they all are. Although Magna and Connie surviving was too much and didn’t really make sense, as glad as I am that Connie didn’t die, it just felt really cheap.
I’m not sure what you think of season 11 but in all honesty season 11 was my favorite season of the entire show since season 4 and 5. The ending battle with blowing up all the walkers in a cgi explosion was pretty stupid and underwhelming and just didn’t feel all that climatic, but I thought everything else was pretty good.
The way the whispers were handled in the show just didn’t feel quite right to me, I think it’s just the fact that whenever they were on screen it was immediately obvious which ones were whisperers in the show never really played around much with the whole “any one of these walkers could be a person“ concept. I just don’t think it translated very well to the TV screen, aside from playing with that more I’m not really sure what they could’ve done to make them
feel scarier or more intimidating.
Although the character drama was still always really good right up until the ending in my opinion, and it’s what kept me watching, there’s still tons of dialogue and scenes in the last 3 seasons that get to me emotionally. Even the ending monologue at the very ending of the show between Rick and Michonne just strikes me as incredibly powerful.
I’ve really enjoyed your retrospective on this series, and it’s cool learning how it contrasts to the source material.
Definitely felt the decline & watched just because I was use to it & my DVR recorded it & I had been so into it I had to see it to the end. But I agree with mostly everything you said.
id like to think.. (my theory) that the reason the reaper arc happened. in the show.. was because they will appear as a 'earlier' moment from ricks time at crm.. on ricks show - maybe we see them or the event. of being 'left for dead' in that massive 'fire' pope spoke of, maybe by beale's command..
(that huge event that, caused them to move and keep moving)
we know pope & co ended up doing a few jobs clearing/killing settlements for lance at commonwealth - b4 lea ends up leaving darryl to go back to them.. and we all see their demise with negan and maggie..
yeah.. id like to see a small appearance of pope being f'd over by beale.. in a mix bag from rick telling michonne.. ''along the way while i was inside crm'' - insert quick time-filler flashback pope story - can be done in less than 3-5 minute screentime.. like.. " well michonne - that's when i knew beale was a light of the world maniac - and why i cant leave now - till we can return the military rule back to the people" senario.... or something like that.. just a small touch.. that shows us where the reapers came from!! cos at the end of the day - all we know is they got darryl, negan and maggie'd to death.. lol and it would be a tidy tie in.. and make up for throwing that random group, and a darryl girlfriend in the mix outa no where...
"When it comes to retellings of certain things that have already happened in the same story, editors might insist on just cutting it as one could argue that it is redundant"
One Piece editors: 😳
I know tom payne wanted to leave but I'd have loved it if jesus and aaron became a proper couple and one of them had to deal with the death of the other after the war. The time skip between episode 5 and 6 was big enough for them to believably have a relationship as close as rick and andrea
Im waiting for the S11 episodes to release to watch them bc i want to see want to see it all
Hey Korotos once your done with the walking dead maybe you could do a new retrospective series on the animated show Invincible that is something I would actually really look foward to waching.
I'm definitely considering making some Invincible content, but no promises, I already have waaay to many ongoing projects 😅😅
Do you think that so far season's 1 and 2 of invincible are just as good as seasons 1 through 5 of the walking dead.
Ehh, they're completely different shows, so I don't think I can really compare them in any way. 😅
That said, I don't watch basically any other super hero story, so it's certainly got _something_ that instantly got me hooked.
tl;dr - it's just a really good show
Well if you do ever decide to start doing a retrospective series on invincible then we can see how long that series is able to follow that chart you made for the walking dead seasons 1 through 5.
the buttons didnt glow
Robert Patrick will only ever be the T-1000!
You should do invincible
The bonus episodes were a complete waste of time. I can't believe we had to wait half a year for the finale only to wait almost as long for filler episodes that added nothing and just existed to fill time. Yes I know there was a pandemic going on, but other shows managed to do more and show me on screen. Yes there was Maggie's introduction, the introduction of Leah (🤮), Gabriel and Aaron's episode was good but inconsequential, and Here's Negan was a god sent, but even that is problematic because of how it screws up the timeline and inconsistencies. They also finally changed to digital after 10 years of film, but the quality of the writing didnt match the quality of the cinematography. And even in 11A things were very lacking and slow, and it took 5 episodes to finally get to the Commonwealth, after waiting over a year from the original season 10 finale cliffhanger. So much of 10C could be cut and it would make no difference, Leah and the Reapers sucked and Princess' PTSD imaginary hallucinations never come up again, and nobody, NOBODY asked for 40 minutes of Carol making soup and chasing a rat and Daryl fixing his bike! Did that actually happen?? Everything in 10C and 11A couldve and shouldve been told in 8 episodes, and include 11x9 in that too because the 11x8 cliffhanger was fucking diabolical. I would rather have waited a year but the restrictions to end or whatever excuse the had for such shoody writing and pacing of the final season to get a concise and consistent 8 episodes. Idk if the Commonwealth needed to be just 16 episodes or 24 or 2 seasons, but the way it was handled was really poorly executed. Add to that waiting forever and a day for ANY update on the Rick "movies" and knowing about the spinoffs, this was a very rough time for TWD fans
I honestly don't care about any of the TWD spinoffs. I would watch the hell out of GoT retrospective tho.
I didn't watch this for 2 days. Because I thought that it wasn't part of this series
i think the ending talking about negans sudden shift when killing the bikers ignores the story he tells the guy at the end, hes literally recounting the time he almost beat a man to death in public then took his money and went back to dancing with his wife, that violent, sadistic side to negan was always there but it was repressed because modern society does not and should not allow people to demonstrate those traits. Like negan said "back then seeing red was a bad thing, i was a bad man... but now when i see red it is only a matter of what I am capable of". I really love negans character but I honestly agree that negan being presented as a good guy who did bad things was kind of dissapointing and it felt like s10 itself was flipflopping on whether negan is a good guy or not. He kidnapped Lydia, but then he still acts like a dad to her, he helped to trap the people in and burn down the hilltop but then everyone acts like he never did it. I would also like to say those bikers had like three guys and before lucilles death he had something to keep him anchored in the world but after she died he had no reason to supress that side of himself and no one to look after.
Please roast the new walking dead destinies 😂
Yeah.... I did talk about it...... Video's on the 2nd channel 😬
I honestly could not care less that Negan’s last name is Smith. Like yes when I saw it on the mailbox I knew it was his last name, but no I refuse. He will never be Negan Smith to me, he’s Negan. Negan sounds infinitely cooler and I refuse to call that man by his last name lmaoo
I disagree with a lot of your show opinions only about the emotion. I cried when Henry died, cried at most sad moments lol I’m super empathic and I feel deeply for these characters!
Ironically. My last name has been mispronounced since i wss born. If i typed it out here id bet nobody here could pronounce it properly. Even my childhood best friend struggled to pronounce it. But you know whats even MORE ironic? I was adopted. My original last name was gonna be smith.
Koroto, you better talk about that soup episode next time 🫵
The reapers arc was terrible, but I disagree with the whisperer arc having nothing resembling the loss Rick had but forget carols arc. I will admit it’s not done as well but it exist.
It sucked cause she keeped flip flopping to the point it felt the writers didn't know what to do, add no major consequences coming from it makes it bland and boring.
Carols arc was good,until they forgot consequences exist and decided to write her as an emotional idiot who gets what she wants and everyone forgives her,they even had the nerve to nerf Negans intelligence
@@lexzeyfercronus the sad part is Kang reworked the whole Whisper Arc just for Carol, a character that wasn't even alive in the source material at this point.
You know, you bring up the whole "no reprecussions/consequences" for all the stupid crap in the show that should have averse effects and I came to a realization that was pushed into the back of my mind with the show: It feels like this overly comfortable feel for the TV show was because of Talking Dead. Allow me to explain in this comment essay below:
So one of the things the talk show Talking Dead, the show that comes on after every new The Walking Dead episode, did was often try to remove all the moral dilemma from everything. Biggest examples I could think of is with Fat Joey in Season 7 and Rick killing the Saviors at the bar in Season 8. In those cases Chris would often dumb those things down and word what happened in a way that for the average joe schmoe that has a hard time with heroes having faults, made the blame almost entirely nonexistent on Rick or Daryl for the horrid things they did. So come Daryl becoming the main star of the show now that Rick is gone? Well Daryl is a fan favorite right? If he dies we riot?
Well with that we now get badass action hero shit with Carol and Daryl, alongside Sniper Daddy Gabriel and Rick 2- I mean Aaron. All the while those pesky moral dilemmas and all that that made the show and comic compelling? Too complex for Joe and Betsy watching on the idiot box! So now? Cartoonishly evil Beta! The Commonwealth? Well they are enemies to our group from frame 1 so might as well get to killing them and ignoring how they are handling the actual honest to god long time still in training militia. Now you could say that I am making a stretch with connecting this to Talking Dead but... Not really in my experience. So many people often around work and shit when I worked at a comic store used to parrot what Chris Hardwick and others said on that show. Which in turn, made the vocal idiot box watchers speak over the more nuanced viewers and here we are.
Also sidenote, you know how Kirkman said the comic would be 300 issues but ended on Issue 193? What if he trolls us by having a 107 issue series of the gap between 192 and 193 featuring exclusively Carl? We know Carl wouldn't die but still seeing his growing journey would be fucking cool.
You mean The T 1000
How dare you... How dare you not cover my favorite episode of the show: The Carol soul episode. Season 10 episode 21"Diverged" is quite possibly the greatest piece of media ever to be produced, dare I say god himself was involved in the production of this masterful, tear-jerking, extravagant episode.... no, to call it an episode would be inaccurate, it is an experience. Carol's struggle against the rat is metaphorical for the abundance of willpower, strength and determination humans must summon to challenge and conquer life's adversities; when Carol finally achieved her goal my entire family burst into tears of unbridled joy, we shared in Carol's triumph, it was palpable. As Alexander pope once said "To err is human, to forgive divine", Well, "korotos Mystery Shack", you have not made a mere, menial error, you have committed a mortal sin of the highest degree and I'm going to dedicate my life to honoring this masterclass in media, and with my dying breath i will praise this episode. Diverged, my beloved, I will never forget you.
Love the Here's Negan. The best episode of season 10.
Can't wait until you get to last season so I can finally have closure without having to actually watch the rest of the show. I was patient and stuck through it for all its low points, but the dragging in last season just couldn't keep my interest. Then I found out about the spin-offs and the fact that the there's no true ending, and I just didn't bother.
"Diverged" is so bad Koroto skipped it completely.
19:00 what?
You forgot the carol episode with the rat
Bro. I wonder if TWD would be better with super zombies to challenge the super humans of the cast. At least it woulndt be boring.
The show is about how humans are truly willing monsters and what we perceived as monsters usually aren't willing monsters.
Just no
@@BigPanda096tell that to amc bro. They are turning this series into Resident evil.
I like to think that after Lucille died Negan became a decent fighter because he had nobody left to loose. He didn't care if he lived or died at that point.
Bro literally skipped the carol soup episode lmao (one of the worst episodes in the series, if not the the worst)
Band of Brothers has pretty accurate grenade depictions. So thumbs down.
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oh you are so beautiful
I really liked the last 2 seasons of the show but thats mainly because negan and daryl were my favorite characters. I really enjoyed negans redemption arc.
Best of S10 isn’t saying much
The only episodes I thought were really good from season 10 were episodes 5,7,11,12 and 22 honestly all the other episodes range from average to just dull/bad episodes
2 and 6 were good too
I edged to this 😅