Universes Beyond Reprints Are A Problem
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- I really want Wizards of the Coast to be a bit more organised and transparent about how they are going to reprint any of these Universes Beyond cards - and I would love to see an example of it in order to lessen my fears.
Talking about how I am actually pretty keen for the cross-over era:
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I'm not quitting, but my printer has been getting a real workout lately.
"a promise isnt a promise... unless it was printed back in a magazine in the 1990's"
got me rolling
I quit when they sent the fucking pinkertons to that guy's house, but it's still fun to watch a pleasantkenobi video every now and then to find out what new obvious bad choices they're making.
I hope you just quit buying, game is still fun to play
Yeah I haven’t given WOTC money since kamigawga but happy to still support content creators with engagement
Same. Saw the way the wind was blowing with this hobby. Sold all my cards that weren’t in decks.
Brilliant fun watching WotC flail.
Just stopping giving them your money guys.
I quit after they axed the judge program the SECOND time. I'll sign up and be a judge for my region when we get approved, but I am officially antiWotC. Consider me an antijudge, I know the rules, I just hate the system.
Yeah it's been an absolute treat to sit by and watch the game burn while I eat my popcorn.
“Much has changed” oh, I’m sure it has! Every plan you tell us regarding universes beyond DOES seem to change after a few months, now that i think about it!
Amazing how that works. They sure figured out how to make more half the products coming out in the future as universes beyond. No idea how to reprint any of it. Total "that sounds like a real problem for future me" attitude while they keep trying to make the money spinner go faster.
The thing that really gets me is that Maro admitted that Spider-Man and Final Fantasy were made with standard in mind but as we know they work on sets like 3 years in advance so basically almost as long as long as UB has been a thing they've been bullshitting us
@@Lucarioguild7ofcc
@@Lucarioguild7 or they just reskinned already designed standard sets for the themes. Which I can almost guarantee you is what they did because it's the cheapest way. And Hasbro has shown they will always do what is cheapest, and we only get lucky if what is cheapest works for us the consumer.
I can't wait for the split card
Great power
Great responsibility
Double sided Eddie Brock / Venom.
@@andyphilipson6983 Actually...I could get behind that one. That could be pretty cool for the transform mechanic.
This is DEFINITELY happening. How else do you fill an entire set out of one superhero?
My take:
Great Power: instant - 2c2red - deal 6 damage to any target
Great Responsibility: instant - 2c2blue - surveil 4, draw 2
@@0jikori there's a lot of potential for flip cards with the marvel sets. Phoenix/Dark Phoenix is probably the most prominent example, but symbiote versions of heroes and heroes with forms could go crazy. Personally would love to see something with Shang-Chi for where one side has the 10 Rings and the other doesn't
@@MHilstrom
Spiderman is going to have lots of "spider friends" Daredevil, IronMan, Dr. Strange, Captian America, Wolverine, the entire Fantastic Four, Deadpool....I could go on but those are just some of the more notable characters that Orbit around Spiderman he has s whole bunch of street level heros he interacts with.
A company too focused on short term gains that it never considered long term consequences? A first, surely.
in no way a systemic issue I am sure
Ghyrson must either be reprinted as “Timothy, Prodigal Mage” drawn as a mash up of the OG prodigal sorcerer and pyromancer from the timespiral block or as Frank in their It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia Secret Lair.
The creature type is the biggest hurdle
@@patarfuifui Just change Tyranid to Troll.
I want Cricket as a commander with Dog tribal! 🤣🤣
WotC/Hasbro genuinely have no desire to ever reprint these. They never did. It was only because of an outcry by a decent portion of the fanbase that they even reversed their decision about The Walking Dead stuff. Even then it was handled poorly. I'm sure they whatever they do will either be the laziest option or will stall indefinitely due to whatever excuse they can come up with that will placate the general audience until everyone just moves on. There is no honest feasible way they can reprint all of the mechanically unique Warhammer, Doctor Who, LotR, etc. sets PLUS the new stuff and make it all fit seamlessly into their truncated main Magic IP sets that have drastically been reduced in frequency. They're just waiting for everyone to forget. Force them to buy it now, deal with the consequences later. Preferably not at all. This really sucks because I would actually love to get the Warhammer decks. Can't really do that anymore. Nekron is going for about 200 dollars now. WotC definitely looks at aftermarket sales to dictate what cards are sought after for high end reprints. It's not even the mechanically unique cards in Warhammer that are necessarily the sought after aspect. It's that the fanbase knows there is no real plan in place to get them reprinted therefore artificially creating scarcity and ultimately selling the most product. I love the Universes Beyond idea. I definitely wish it was more infrequent. For my own wallet and those of the wider audience, it may not speak to us until people start to realize you won't get access to these for a long time if ever.
With the pace at which they release them, I wasn't asking for full reprints; just a steady drip-feed of UW.
@christopherb501 For sure but eventually because of the amount of mechanically unique cards per UB set, they're going to have a harder time completing any sort of significant dent in UW reprints. There is already an insane backlog.
They'll probably be able to reprint Nuka-Cola Vending Machine as a Fountain Soda Station whenever they do a McDonalds or Taco Bell secret lair
To be fair, when originally said that they would reprint in universe versions of Universes Beyond cards, the only way to get those cards was through Secret Lair.
Them having actual standard set prints means a few things:
1: There will be a lot more Universes Beyond cards in the marketplace
2: There will be more Universes Beyond chaff that nobody wants to be reprinted, much like every set.
I don't have a problem with mechanically unique cards in a set. It happens with every Magic set. Selling Mechanically unique cards through limited print Secret Lairs is a different beast altogether that locks players out of acquiring these cards during their sale period for a multitude of reasons.
If they never reprint Shelob's ambush or Pippin's Bravery, that's fine.
I'm not worried, if I don't like UB I don't need to buy them, they're all made for commander anyway.
Okay they might come up in legacy but they'll reprint them in universe.
Okay so it's in modern, and they won't reprint them in universe, but it's just orcish bowmasters and one ring, play standard and pioneer if you don't like it.
Okay, so there's no supported constructed format free of them, but sales data shows us people will buy UBs they like, so it's fine.
I think the last step is wizards needs to find a way to print directly into premodern and block constructed.
They need to find a way to print UB cards directly into our kitchen table proxy cubes.
They'll figure out some way to reprint Urza's Saga, but this time with UB in it. Imagine, opening a pack and instead of pulling a Cradle or Academy, you get I dunno, Spongebob or Optimus or The Death Star.
@@chronostrafeI've already opened packs of regular Magic cards and been faced with Starscream and Optimus Prime 🤬
@@chronostrafe Please. Urza's needs a reprint. Doesn't really matter in what form.
Don't get the complaints about reprints in different skins. It's what everybody always begs for in good reprints, but because it's a reskin it's suddenly a problem?
Speaking out of both sides of your mouth with that one.
Is this a commander video?
But seriously, I'd love a universe beyond jumpstart set!
you forgot "secret lair" in the "prefixes set": why should a set be available to a large majority of buyers?
Scarcity must be invented somehow, right?
/sarcasm
A true feature would be a SL with community members, you and Prof deserve a MTG card
Uncle Ben 2(W)
When Uncle Ben dies, transform Peter Parker.
"With great power, comes great responsibility."
Ah, yes. Nothing represents spiderman better than an Uncle Ben sacrifice deck.
@@_Ve_98 I mean it works for ajani
@@_Ve_98indeed
@@ClubbingSealCub at least with Ajani you usually sacrifice tokens and not a card called "Ajani's brother". Imagine if that were the core of the deck. 😬
Something, something, ludonarrative dissonance.
@@_Ve_98 let's be honest sometimes it's another ajani and it makes no sense (also, the token represents his brother)
I'm quitting quitting Magic
That's the spirit!
Fair Enough
Bye Felicia
@Danger_Red12 oh you can't read. Nice
Only quitters quit. That’s why I quit AA, because they kept trying to get me to be a quitter. Wait… but if I quit AA…
They don't do forward planning. I'm half-convinced we're going to see a round of bannings where it turns out they playtested all the UB sets for Modern, decided to switch them to Standard, then did a last-minute panic round of rebalancing and retesting that lets a bunch of broken shit through. Basically, whole sets full of Nadus: last-minute changes with insufficient playtesting.
(Obviously, it's possible they've known the UB Standard thing for long enough that it won't be a problem … it's just also unsettlingly possible that they've only known since September and are scrambling.)
Listen as long as this happens only with the FF set I’ll be happy. I want the standard box prices with modern-viable cards pls 😊
I wanna see Emet-Selch drive my enemies before me and turn the battlefield into a 9th Calamity!
Based on my experience in corporate America, I doubt anyone below executive leadership knew about UB sets being Standard legal until it was announced publicly.
Mark Rosewater said the sets were designed for Standard from the beginning.
@@Lily-sh8jn Ooh, boy. If _that's_ true then some of his past posts are probably going to look pretty bad.
14:15 I don't think they care about reprints or anything right now... The sustainability of the game is evidently not a priority...
Their most recent set has a hell of good reprints in it. Continue to doompost though. 🙄
Im happy that theyll reprint them; If we get Transformers, MLP reprints ill be hyped.
Who could have ever seen this coming!??
Given how perfectly a reskin of Ghyrson Starn would have fit in Thunder Junction, I gave up on them reprinting him when that didn't happen.
As always proxies seems to be the answer, paying those type of prices for something feels more like an investment than a game I am keen to play.
In what capacity can any of the words of WotC as an entity be trusted? How many 'Blog promises' have come and couldn't even survive a standard rotation? You're right about one thing, UB has instantly accelerated out of the realm of possibly keeping up with reprints. Another thing to consider is WotC keeping this issue in purgatory gives them a substantial vault of reprint equity if they actually try to keep their word in the future. At that point it won't even matter, they can just skim the cream for chase cards and abandon the rest into power crept obscurity.
Love the dig at the reserve list being more of a promise than the universes within thing.
When I heard "Beyond Booster" announce, I GENUINLY thought we were getting a product with just a bunch of UB reprints mixed in with within versions....imagine my disappointment when it was just epilogue boosters for Assassins Creed. 😊
I honestly believe they're going to have to eventually either face the end of the game or treat Universes Beyond like Unsets. Though I would love if they were adding in their contracts that they could use up to 10% of the cards produced as reprints in a future Smash Bros style "Multiverses Beyond" set. But let's be honest, WoTC doesn't have that kind of foresight anymore.
Why would this end the game? Can you explain thay vision to me?
@@PleasantKenobi"Arbitrary reasons because I dislike what they're doing."
I don't understand how anybody can look at the sheer number of sales from WoTC and say that the game's dead and or dying. It's more popular than ever.
No company is ever going to sign away licensing rights in perpetuity. That's not "foresight", that's business.
The Universes Beyond creature type problem is very tricky. Take Tyranids for example. WotC can create a Universes Within creature type that has an added rules baggage that that specific creature type will always be the same as Tyranid. So mechanics-wise, that fixes the problem. But flavor-wise, it means WotC has to create all sorts of pirated MTG versions of every copyrighted creature type.
It's easy enough to make humans from Stranger Things or Street Fighter turn into humans from all sorts of planes in the MTG Multiverse. But what about Tyranids? You'd have to create an entire legally distinct form of creature to translate Tyranid cards into their Universes Within versions.
But they can go another route. You know how Viashino and Naga became Lizards and Snakes recently?
I personally don't like that change but that form of errata can be a good way to deal with the Universes Beyond creature types.
Tyranids can be turned into Mutants for example. (I don't know much about 40k lore so this example might not be too accurate.) All cards that interact with Mutants also affect Tyranids, and vice versa, because they are now one and the same.
We will still have some problems with the Time Lord creature type though because that one is tied to the Doctor's Companion mechanic. So Time Lord can't be made into a pre-existing MTG creature type. Or maybe they could turn Time Lord into a pre-existing creature type (let's say, Alien for example). But that means WotC can never print a new legendary creature whose only creature types are Alien and Doctor.
Well they did MTG Universe reprints for the Stranger Things SL cards
What gets me is how easy the solution is to the problem.
Just make it the other way around.
Instead of going through the hazzle of still getting the copyrighted name of a character on the in-universe version they could just print the name of a in-universe version on the collab card.
This way they avoid all of the legal shenanigans with the name rights for the reprints. Just put a "This cards name is [Bob, the mythical artificer]"-tag under Iron-Mans name-tag for example, and gone is the issue.
Even if the reprint itself wouldn't be directly on the horizon they would establish that this collab card is the skin, and not the other way around.
This... is a really good idea. Like how "Godzilla, King of the Monsters" from Ikoria was technically "Zilortha, Strength Incarnate," but only available in Godzilla form until Commander Masters (3 years later).
They should have been doing that the entire time! And obviously used generic words for the creature types; Tyranids should have been Alien Insects (or maybe just Insects), Astartes could have been Human Mutants (or maybe just Mutants), etc. It wouldn't have been that hard, and the idea was clearly there almost from the beginning. I'm kinda mad now that they didn't do it this way right from the start.
I am not a fan of Universe Beyond myself, but I will be forced into it with f**king Final Fantasy and every one after that. I have nothing agaisnt Final Fantasy, but I don't play Magic so I can play with all the characters of other games I play/used to play. I don't get the same joy others get having Storm go up vs Tenth Doctor, or Frodo take on Cloud. It is a gimmick that will soon be part of Standard. The option to 'opt out' is taken from some of us that do not enjoy other IP infringe on the game we loved. I have played on and off for 30 years now, I will adjust I guess, but I don't like the forced participation.
“That’d be too on the nose for Magic to do in a Spiderman set.”
*waits for the Sephiroth/Aerith version*
If they don’t have the space to reprint universes beyond cards in normal sets, maybe the could do one set each two or three years called „universe within“ where they just reprint the must wanted universes beyond cards with normal magic artwork.
There would still be some of the problems you mentioned, but at least they would have a space to put these cards in.
Edit: lol, I should have watched the entire video before commenting, as you mentioned my idea 😂😂😂 but at least this is engagement 😂
I think this video was missing something incredibly important, how long it typically takes Wizards to reprint cards. If you're going to ask, when will these be reprinted, we already have a rough idea by looking at how quickly Wizards reprints their own expensive chase cards. The Great Hedge is a great case study for this. It was originally reprinted in 2019 and very quickly became expensive (MTGGoldfish shows it costing was well over $20 in less than a year after printing) and it didn't get reprinted proper until Commander Masters almost 4 years later. Goldspan Dragon is another decent example. Releasing at the start of 2021 it spiked due to standard play to over $40 before cooling and eventually being reprinted in Jump Start 2022 which released almost 2 years later at the end of 2022. If you look at the big chase cards of sets this is the typical range for the cards to be reprinted, 2-4 years. This also makes sense given the lead time for Wizards in making products is about 2 years. I imagine creating mass release version of mechanically unique secret lair cards will be different since they know going in they need to find a place to put them, but for The One Ring and other major cards in the Fallout and Who commander decks as well as other future Universes Beyond booster products we probably won't see them for at least 2 years, probably 3 at the earliest after their first printing. Which is just business as usual for how Wizards reprints chase cards.
With a space set coming up im sure we'll see a time lord type printed into the commander side
I was so glad when they reprinted the Street Fighter cards as Universe Within: I eagerly built a Maarika deck. Now I'm waiting for Storm to get UW'ed.
I'm like 90% sure that they went back on this within the last week. They said something along the lines of "we are no longer guaranteeing in-universe reprints, but we'll try"
Yes. Mentioned in the video. November 1st.
"I was going to make a joke about Uncle Ben getting murdered there but I couldn't quite quite bring myself to pull the trigger."
I'd really appreciate it if they reprinted these universe beyond cards as universe within cards, just with a changed name (and technical name below) in a similiar fashion as it's done in reverse, with universes within cards getting alternate name version as universe beyond cards like "twinflame" becoming "friends to the end" in the horror themed secret lair. Though I think that it is sadly unlikely to happen... (and the type lines would have to be dealt with, maybe with a supertype?!)
Fantastic points all, but now imagine from the point of view of someone who really doesn't like UB. My man it's so disheartening :[
I feel like the smartest option here is to print Universes Within versions of everything they legally can into their own set-- standard size packs, call 'em Within Boosters, format legality matches their original printings.
Vending Machine? I think you mean Ancient Dispenser, a mysterious box sometimes found within the halls of Duskmourne that offers sustenance for a price. The One Ring? Actually that's just Ring of the Guildpact, a token of office Niv-Mizzet created and awarded to himself to represent the power and burden of his office. Altair? No, that's just Athar Kane, an assassin in the employ of the Brokers who hunts his mark from the rooftops of New Capenna. Psychic paper? False Identity, a little something the Dimir guild use to pass unseen into the more sensitive regions of Ravnica. genius inventor Tony Stark? I think you mean the brilliant Wysar Bilt of Kaladesh.
Tyranids should have just been Mutant Horror and maybe Human Mutant for the humanoid ones.
If only boosters had a 15th slot they could use for cards like… the list
I wonder if they can errata the original printings into more generic terms. It would be cool to see other Doctor creatures (Arcade Gannon) become viable partners and open the mechanic up slightly while primarily just making simplified reprints easier to print, and suddenly you could have a "Battlefield Medic" for the in-universes War Doctor and so on and pivot the concepts toward medical doctors or something. Heroes as a creature type has already been errata'd into Soldiers and Warriors.
No. The Doctors and companions are like that by design. Multicolour doctors and mono colour companions let's you build your own 3 colour commander - that's the sweet spot. We don't want more 4 colour partner piles
I will say, there is precedent for doing something that makes a universes within version of a type line.
Viashino and Naga each have a functional errata where you are always supposed to treat them as Lizards and Snakes, respectively. So they could just introduce a type-line later called Time-Traveler or something, and they just say any card that interacts with Timelords also does so with them.
I'm not saying tbey *will* do that. I'm just saying that they have precedent for doing something as extreme for different reasons.
I had the same thought, just treat time lord creature type as alien, or something.
We did get one mechanically unique Doctor Who reprint already in Wreck and Rebuild being reprinted in OTJ. Could be a trial ballon for future reprints.
0:06 Whats this whole attitude with content creators lately that's basically saying "You can't be upset. You're not going to quit. Shut the f*** up." People are allowed to express their distaste and vote with their wallets. When did this change?
that's literally not what he said. he just wants to talk about something else today. you can go make your own video if you want to. nothing's stopping you.
They just need to make Universes Within draftable sets. I'd also like them to theme it as someone/something having merged a whole heap of universes together resulting in a strange yet familar universe with people that aren't quite who they were in the other universes but their core character remains. That way it at least makes some kind of sense in universe and thematically allows it to be a lot more disjointed.
If this is how you feel when you DO like Universes Beyond, imagine how people feel who don’t.
The fact they both dont seem to be able to write into the contracts the ability to reprint them, or IP holders arent willing to allow them to just use like alien for tyranid instead. I say this as someone who loves UB but I feel like both parties are likely unwilling to find a solution. I would assume disney is a little less flexable than maybe GW since they spam video games all the time and hand out the IP like candy. But yes, they need to figure this out yesterday... or 2 years ago.
Disney hands out IP like candy? Not really.
I felt burned out awhile ago. I exclusively play on arena and mostly play the jump start format there
there's jumpstart arena??
I exclusively play forge mtg now, fuck arena and its bullshit cash grabbing. I aint paying for cards i cant actually own. Forge has every card, real commander, and is fully featured. Wish more ppl knew about it.
You're not even playing magic at that point bro
@@TheBrothers759same could be said for Commander and that's everywhere.
Well ... They’ll need to make a "Universe and beyong" master set some day to make all those reprints
Uncle Ben: 1W, Legendary Human, 0/1. When Uncle Ben enters, target opponent conjures Murder with casting cost 0. When he dies, create a 3/4 legendary creature token named Spider-Man with menace, reach, and ward 3.
There's been a couple magi-flavored reprints of AFR and CLB cards in commander decks recently. I choose to remain cautiously optimistic that this is a "test run" of sorts to see if this sort of reprinting is a thing they can do. In otherwords, my guess is "Soon(tm)"
As long as regular version of cards go down to reasonable prices they can print special treatments as much as they want
I 100% believe they didn't and still don't have a concept of a plan on reprinting or getting non-IP versions of ANY of these cards. I was completely blown away that we managed to get any versions of the walking dead or stranger things, but knew that this was an anomaly
Thank you for making this video! This issue with un-reprintable UB cards has been my biggest concern ever since WOTC starting ramping up the number of IP crossover projects
I would love a "the one ring" reprint where it is literally just a random ring with "1" engraved on it
What do you think about a end-of-year universes within set? Or perhaps in-universe print-to-demand versions hosted on secret lair at end-of-year for a larger span of time (thinking 2-3 months)?
I’d really rather they spend *less* time attempting to work other people’s stories into magic. While it would help with reprints, it would muscle out Magic’s own story even worse.
an x men set for sure
Both of those would be great, but they aren't going to do that.
7:33 hit me with that sick beat Kenobi!!
Most likely they will have to renegotiate contracts to reprint some of the cards they want to reprint. That will likely cut into their profits on these, but IDK if it will be enough to not be profitable or less profitable than Magic IP reprints or new cards. They can then reprint them in a UB Masters set with a weird mashup of all the IPs.
It's still hilarious to me that we have a Fifteenth Doctor card before a single episode of that doctor's run has aired. Oh, and don't forget the baldur's gate cards coming out before BG3 went full release and became the biggest game of that year. Absolutely insane marketing fumbles.
the best case scenario is a remaster set style box of universes withing with packs containing all universes within stuff
I think a great solution would be to every few years, in the style of Modern Horizons, release a Universes Within set that encapsulates all the mechanically unique cards up till that point.
It's a win-win, they get to sell a reprint set and players get access to the mechanics in-universe.
11:34 Not to sound pedantic, but interestingly enough we did get a inuniverse version of the Doctor Who card Wreck and Rebuild in one of the Outlaws of Thunderjunction commander decks. I get that wasn't the point of the statement, but it is a thing to keep in mind.
I feel like people misunderstood the intent behind reprinting the mechanically unique UB Secret Lair cards using Magic flavor. The Universes Within initiative was a necessity to be able to reprint the cards when the licensing agreements for those cards expire, not a compromise to placate the crowd that does not like Universes Beyond.
Oooooh, I like the idea of selling out my hobby to be a advertisement for other brands
I don't care about the universes beyond announcement for it coming to standard, I am sad, but I understand why they are doing it and it can be very popular. My problem is the release cadence and the excuse that the products that are "not for me" seem to keep increasing. I have only played Arena for years since paper has just taken too much time to keep up to date. I tend to go in and out with Arena playing for 6 months to a couple years then take a break. I am already mentally starting a break since MH3-BLB-DSK I have barely played DSK. I tend to spend 1-2 months enjoying magic (1/2 draft 1/2 constructed) then get a cooldown playing other games or doing other hobbies, and getting hyped for the next set during spoilers. Ever since MH3 started coming out I have just felt that I only had time for magic, if I wanted to do anything else I would be punished and left behind. I haven't even engaged with foundation spoilers. I don't care what is there, they made my hobby into a 2nd job. I can't separate the fun from the efficiency and it takes the fun out of it.
They said they are focusing on arena as an investment, but it is dangerous to make it feel like you must play 24/7 and if you look at most long term games that last, one key important thing they know is that you can't make the person play 24/7, but in more seasonal timings. I admit 2 months is exactly when i start to get bored of a set, but even if I'm bored, I am not ready to engage with a new set yet. I like to enjoy other hobbies and spend time doing that.
all of this is to say it feels like magic isn't for me anymore. I can now see the apeal of EDH, but I have never engaged with it or have a friend group where you can just ignore the rest of WOTC's decisions.
The issue I have with this situation is what happens if there's a mechanically unique card that's good, but say it's a legendary creature for commander. One of the ones from the 40K commander decks for example. What happens if they're generally good, but some of the most synergistic cards that go with it were also from that commander product. Are they just going to have to functionally reprint half of a commander deck in universe just so that people have access to all that stuff.
Mothman from the Fallout decks is one that comes to mind most. The radiation counter mechanic is unique to that deck. So if you reprint Mothman, do you then have to reprint every card that works with the radiation mechanic in universe?
Seems like they've put themselves between a rock and a hard place, which is just going to expand going forward.
The best solution is to just not do as much UB, but that clearly isn't an option with their corporate leadership as it is.
The second best option is that, at the end of each year, we get a big creature-type errata for all the UB stuff (like how they recently changed Viashino and Cephalids to Lizards and Octopi, they could just as easily change Astartes and Tyranids to Metathran and Insects), and then do a big "Universes Within" set at the end of the year with all of those UB-exclusive cards remade into MtG canon-compliant versions. Unfortunately, this option requires that every UB card they make in a year get an extra name and art, which would mean either making 1 less alternate art version in the original UB set or spending additional money on every single card they print for relatively little immediate return, and I don''t expect them to see either of those as acceptable outcomes either.
There are maybe a few other options, but I can think of none that are any more likely to happen. Ultimately, the answer to the question "how could they fix this?" is "why would they?".
Any word on the next mystery booster set? Either that or we'll get these UW reprints in other commander pre cons or special guest inserts. They really took one look at Zendikar Expeditions and said: How can we make this worse?
Ok so I’ll preface this with I haven’t been playing magic for that long only a couple years worth of time at this point.
The reprinting issue wouldn’t be too bad when considering the number of products they put out.
100 cards across 2 years of sets could be done fairly simply.
The problem is that they keep pumping out more and more of the UB sets making it impossible, UNLESS they begin reprinting UB cards IN UB sets.
The one ring could easily be a “negaband” or a “star brand” in marvel.
Astartes could be any of the powerful knights from an FF game.
Tyranids could be the brood (I think that’s what they are called in marvel)
UB staying UB would help the people who REALLY don’t want UB to be a thing separate those cards from their UW cards.
The brood lean far more into the body horror of the xenomorph while the tyranids are more akin to the devouring swarm of the zerg. They don’t really operate the same at all. So sure, you could, but it wouldn’t fit well.
@ that’s probably true, I’m not super familiar with them just know that they exist.
I’m sure there is something in a future UB set that could be comparable.
The idea is still sound though, print UB reprints in future UB sets with similar design concepts.
Except it forces any player to use the card to use a UB card
Also you’d have the sub-title “the one ring” under the marvel card mixing IP’s.
@ they didn’t do that for the street fighter cards. I don’t see why they would need to for the other UB products.
@@VoraciousHeart because those were UW conversions. Just like the Stranger things and Walking Dead conversions.
Cards that has been reskinned from an existing card (storm’s will, Storms of Yamatai, Miku, Child of Song.) always had an under listing.
This wouldn’t be making a new card to fit as a UW card. It would be a renamed reskin.
I know you mentioned a crossover style Masters set wouldn’t work, but what if it were a Universes Within Masters set? I feel like that could be a great way to get reprints in and give them space to figure out how to make the mechanically unique cards mesh.
I hope that they print a new version of the One ring into a indiana jones product as the holy grail😊
Id really like an uncle ben version of murder, same with a "batmans parents" version of murder
I think they should have kept the UB stuff to Secret Lairs. Making them Standard is a bit too far. Personally, I'm going to pull back my spending and maybe just buy singles I want for Commander decks. I don't know if I could bring myself to put a Spongebob card in a deck though.
I don't think freerunning would be off-limits. It has been a term used in the parkour community since before Assassin's Creed existed.
Freerunning existed before AC tho. But yeah, the warhammer set, great example
The product releases are so constant and at such a premium price that it's almost not worth engaging with the real product if you want to try out a variety of decks with specific artwork or exclusive cards and don't want to spend all of your money on cardboard.
There is so much great work that the artists and designers put into this game that it's a shame that widespread appreciation for and engagement with it is paywalled at every opportunity.
They can "reprint" the doctors if they do a "Murders at Karlov Manor" like set that has a hospital as theme. So we get doctors instead of detectives. After a horror house everything is possible... I guess 🙂
Spoiler: there will be a Universes Master set with all the universes beyond cards converted to Magic universe. you heard it here first.
Love your vid vince, =)
No there won't
Universal Masters Beyond Universes Beyond Horizons coming to your local game store soon!
I wasn't able to get my hands on the captain america one which is fine but I already ordered an alter proxy I made of the card using Igris from solo leveling so I am still going to build the deck. I am excited to play the deck just sorta wish it was easier for more casual players to get their hands on these cards.
It’s worth noting that Magic’s most popular casual format allows you one of each card name. Imagine how excited a player could be to find a card that does the same thing as a card they’re running just to have to hear all this arbitrary convoluted nonsense amounting to “you can’t play that one”
we'll know if they learned their lesson about unique IP terms in the rules/type lines of the cards when they start announcing Final Fantasy cards. If they make Mog a legendary moogle, then they didn't learn that lesson.
But I do think they could still do some interesting things that don't infringe on anything by making Cloud and/or Lightning legendary SOLDIER (as opposed to Soldier)
Good choice using the songs of the old Rareware classics, adds an extra British flavor to the videos. 😆
Now that Universes Beyond is going through Standard, hasn't this problem just become the same thing as the Sheoldred, the Apocalypse issue (whose current prince is $80-$90 and is unlikely to see a reprint before it rotates out of Standard in 2025)? The Universes Beyond factor is kinda extraneous, even for the Secret Lair cards, because while they don't have any plans at the moment they have at least shown us they *can* do Universes Within reprints. The core questions is how does WotC reprint *any* card that is important to a format?
The fault is partly our own as players/consumers. Because we (collectively) hate getting copies of cards we already own and love getting exciting new cards, there's little incentive for WotC to do anything other than build reprint equity. In the last 12 Standard sets (i.e. all the ones in current Standard incl. MAT and BIG but excl. FDN) there are only 139 reprints at an average of 13 per set. There were 2722 first printed cards in the same 12 sets. That means Standard is less than 5% reprints and a lot of those reprints are lands (41 of the 139 reprints or ~30%). Foundations will alleviate this somewhat but only for the cards in that set, not all cards and certainly not future cards.
Commander decks are the main way WotC have been doing reprints and that has its limits. Cards must be good in a multiplayer format, must fit with the deck's color identity, and must fit with the theme of the set they're attached to, and they must be at the appropriate power level for a precon deck. When Final Fantasy releases we'll get to see what all that looks like for a Standard-legal set, but those four issues aren't going anywhere. So it all circles back to the same problem. How does WotC reprint *any* card that is important to a format?
I don't have an answer btw, I'm not smart enough to solve it.
I would bet an exorbitant amount of money that the easy answer is to just print them into Commander Legends 3 as Universes Within versions, and Mystery Booster 3 to just print the same name and text box, but with more boring art and a financial kickback to the licensor. They could simply choose the methodology based on how coercive the brand holder is.
I know everyone's concerned about branded type lines, but there's been creature type errata for decades. Falcons are Birds, Hounds are Dogs, Naga are Snakes, Viashino are Lizards. When the need to market in tandem with the tie-in runs out, so too does the need to adhere to the branded labeling. And that moves the ball to Wizards' court. The company we know would never leave reprint equity on the table, so if the brand doesn't want to play nice, Wizards just scrubs all the identity from the card and reprints it anyway. It's exactly what they said they would do before. The UB version becomes the "fancy" version to show off, and the remake becomes the reprintable game piece.
Wizards! We demand Universes Boyond: PK’s party box 🥳
Yes, and I suppose Santa can come give me gifts then snack on some cookies but it’d be childish to believe it
Reprinting functionally-the-same card with a different type is same as generic 2/2 bear vs generic 2/2 wolf. Should be easy enough to accomplish.
Universes beyond master set coming soon
UB power balances itself by having unique mechanic and creature types, tempted by the ring, daleks, not being reprinted.
I have no idea how anyone ever expected a universes within timelord doctor. Its just as likely as expecting modern vehicle reprints of all vehicles.
Do you think, with Innistrad Remastered coming up, we'll get all the Universes Within characters that have been placed there i.e. Greymond, Avacyn's Steadfast( TWD Rick) and Arvinox, The Mind Flail (Stranger Things Mind Flayer) as cards in that set?
Right. Don’t forget the supplemental stuff too like the holiday LoTR sets. Those were all not in the main set, but still IP branded.
I made the decision to quit Wotc specifically but not quit Magic. i made this decision when Chris Cox laid off 20% of Hasbro workforce and did not exempt Wotc from those layoffs. so in 2024 I have not given Hasbro any minty directly- no Arena purchases with $, no prereleases, no purchases of Sealed product, and definitely no Secret Lairs (i had actually quit them the year before after a couple of SLs would never let me complete a transaction on the Scalefast system). i still trade cards on Cardsphere and make purchases on the secondary market - with new Hasbro and Wotc decisions, I will continue this into 2025!
I mean all of this depends upon the details of their Terms and Conditions, if MTG owns the Art and the Card Mechanics just not names, they can reprint till their heart's content and errata the Creature types
Simple, we stop the UB nonsense and get back to magic
Mark rosewater keeps going back in his word in numerous blogatog articles to the point I no longer trust anything he says.
Its simple. You merge the Universes Beyond with the Reserved List.
The one ring should be Yawgmoth’s one ring.
I think the Astartes creature type can be swapped to Metathran for universes within.
*I actually did quit magic because I saw the trajectory of the game when the first Universes Beyond sets started coming out lol.* Definitely have not regretted my decision! For me I took strong onjection to the one ring lottery thing Even if the sets up to that point were fairly thematically consistent with magic's tone like Fallout and LotR. I honestly thought I would come back once I got excited for the new sets but detective ravnica, the cowboys, Stranger Things, magic is just not a game I like anymore, I may play Commander with my existing decks with some friends now and then but I haven't spent money on it in any way in more than a year and I sure as hell do not plan to for the foreseeable future!
I like rubbernecking the trashfire though and that's what I have you and the professor for!