The only people or at least a large% of anyway who are fascinated by the Krays and such like,are people who have never lived in a working class area or been surrounded by all that goes on in these places..I was born in Stepney and brougbt up in Hackney..Sure u were surrounded by mostly or a lot of pretty Crime and Criminals and that was about the strength of it.But also regular people who worked hard and struggled by Honestly..But every Once in an while I ended up in Pubs which would do after Hrs(Drinking) and then just by chance u might found urself in the Company of one these characters..Now they could be quite pleasant,funny,charming etc..But if ur instincts were decent,u always kept them at Arms length because they couldn't be trusted..Their opportunists by nature,so always on the look out and Hussle and in truth only talk to strangers,to see what they can possible get out of the situation..It's just 2nd Nature to them or a "force of habit"..
A fascinating and extremely interesting watch. These two guys love them or hate them re and will always be part of our history they were fiercely respected by many and the mere mention of their names could strike fear into the hearts of the biggest toughest men across London. They didn't ask for respect they commanded it and now they are dead people can say what they like about them but I guarantee most of the people on here wouldn't utter so much as a word of it if they grew up in 1960's London :)
Fascinating stuff. It was a way of life back then I suppose. The Krays are indeed fascinating to read about.There is a stern reminder here however that crime certainly does not pay !
Others may disagree but I find that when you hear Freddie Foreman talking about the Krays and some of the goings on from those days that he talks facts. Theres none of the usual bullshit from people trying to make out they (not the Krays) were bigger gangsters then they were and how they did this or that. With Freddie he allegedly did do this and that but theres no bragging and he describes those villains around him very accurately and honestly.
When you read it all from the Krays point of view, the murders seem justified. (Remember, all gangsters know the score if you sign up to that life) Cornell took major liberties, called Ronnie names to anyone who'd listen, tried to instigate a war between Krays and Richardsons and went drinking in Kray manor minutes after a brutal battle in a pub where a Kray soldier was killed. Jack was a liability. He'd stolen from them, brandished a shotgun in public, said he was going to kill Reggie, smashed up Freddie Foreman's boozer. When you are at the top of the food chain, as the Krays were, the way you stay there is to send a clear message that you won't be fucked with. I don't condone homicide but to gangsters, this is a way of life. Cornell and Jack must have known what was coming.
+freddybeer real gangsters dont write books or go in front of a camera.all people who think there gangsters are all fucking pussys soon as the police arrest them they start singing better than sinatra...FACT
+Easyandy100 Just a question to you mate ,as you say ,they weren't the biggest in London ,who would you say was ,Richardsons ,Nash's ,or some other mob
Reggie and Ronnie always thought torture was never needed. If someone got out of line, you gave them a slap. Anything more that, you get rid of them, I guess. Torture, just too much, man.
41:10 the man said that "if you want people to change, you got to give them the opportunity to change the krays never had that opportunity" but they both had the opportunity to have a life in the army and a second opportunity to have a life as a professional boxer, how many opportunity's do they need?
Whatever you do in life, you be a man and take responsibility, look your kid's in the eye's and sleep at night. Nothing has changed i notice, the politicians, Lord's, people who have been responsible for 1000's of dead carry on being untouched.
fascinating that the Twins wanted someone to tell their story. Plainly they had no idea as to what they were like. It is nauseating to hear so many people whitewashing them. And yet fascinating. Profession of Violence is a very good book and removed from personal contact with them.
I'm guessing the rockstar is Roger Daltrey lol Im being serious. and the guy in the limo actually feautured in the richardson one and his name is Wilf Pine.
Ah right. I wondered which crime family Ron Kray had a connection with so I'm guessing Genovese as Wilf Pine although English' was taken under Joey Pagano's wing (made guy) Very interesting chap, Wilf Pine.
Haha I always laugh when bobby cummings is on these. He's been in prison with them all talk. I was surprised not to see him on the acid bath murderer one and brides in the bath one. he would have said, "yeah i was in prison with george haigh and john smith".
Had the producer never heard of a TRIPOD? This doco is so good but its like watching it in a earthquake. Hold the camera still for more than 12 seconds please!
So Fred Dinage (17.27) got Ronnie to put the muscle on the guy who had the rights to the book, so that the guy wouldn't pursue it and Dinage could carry on writing it? Erm...does he not think his journalistic ethics might be slightly compromised by that? Sounds like an Alan Partridge statement.
david john robert But he was complicit by knowingly taking the job as a result- and doesn't seem to notice. It really is a Partridge meets Ronnie Kray scene.
Michael Donaghy That isn't what you said but yeah I 100% agree with you that he took the job being fully aware of the situation. But on the other hand I believe the Kray brothers or anybody in the world as a matter of fact should be able to pick who tells their life story. Your right in what you are saying though they went about it in the wrong manner
This could be a really good doc but the shaking camera and cut-aways are distracting and irritating. Hope Fred Dinage will one day just sit and talk to us about his experiences with the twins.
The most notorious gangsters in British history, on what is that based ? They were the Oasis of the mobsters, in fact silly characters, but creating so much buzz around their pathetic little lives that some people automatically asume they were the most notorious. They were the most talked about, but the Richardson gang was by far more violent and more efficient than that silly twin.
Don't Believe poeple like Dave Courtney mate . Frazier is the real deal he knew the krays very well Courtney us a plastic mug his the one that said Frank only knew them In prision
Why is it always about who was gay or not ! Who cares it's about there story surly !!! I actually find them fascinating and love to her about them , not saying they weren't very naughty boys but I'm sure they did what they needed to do at the time ! I'm sure they had good hearts deep down .
would these so called hard men make in some prisons around the world which are hard. like Russia. Thailand. Cambodia even the u.s.a.. which are run by the brotherhood. our prisons are just too soft. we must go back to the victorian era for their punishment. reform dont work.
pistolpeeroy i think so, but i just find it bizarre when they release a film based on real people and events yet fictionalize so much of it, why not just create whole new characters and a story based on real people but not claim them to actually represent THE people? I feel somehow that it's disrespectful to the real life memories and just misinformation to be honest as if somebody wrote a book or made a film about my life and most of it wasn't even true i would be quite pissed off lol, just one of those things that gets on my nerves, but hey, that's the movie and entertainment business i guess :)
He ponces off his label as official author of kray book but if you read reggie book born fighter he says that this book he wrote was total rubbish fill of lies and the script had passed through many hands and was mostly lies in it he says mcvite was impaled on the floor by reggie Freddie foreman who disposed of the body at sea says that was bullshit was no wound to his kneck so lies he says Ronnie killed Cornell for calling him a fat poof but if you listen to Ronnie in the kray tapes he says that is rubbish so another journalist writing bullshit and poncing off the kray name
So what there gay bio what ever...they made there money at means they know how ...so there not that stupid ...i prefer them and what they done ...that i do of child murders and pedos....
One of the better documentaries on the Krays. Cant wait for the film "Legend".
Freddie foreman is s real mans man. Real true gangster born and breed.
Mr Foreman is THE man. always has been, always will Be. The real deal for sure. Quiet, disiplined and Clever as a Fox.
fell in love wth a girl......"very nice girl,top shoplifter"....LOL
the kray twins in my eyes were great men and i would of loved to meet them and talk about there past i respect them a great deal
Very interesting programme. Thanks for upload ;)
The only people or at least a large% of anyway who are fascinated by the Krays and such like,are people who have never lived in a working class area or been surrounded by all that goes on in these places..I was born in Stepney and brougbt up in Hackney..Sure u were surrounded by mostly or a lot of pretty Crime and Criminals and that was about the strength of it.But also regular people who worked hard and struggled by Honestly..But every Once in an while I ended up in Pubs which would do after Hrs(Drinking) and then just by chance u might found urself in the Company of one these characters..Now they could be quite pleasant,funny,charming etc..But if ur instincts were decent,u always kept them at Arms length because they couldn't be trusted..Their opportunists by nature,so always on the look out and Hussle and in truth only talk to strangers,to see what they can possible get out of the situation..It's just 2nd Nature to them or a "force of habit"..
great documentary. I like the krays and admired them.
A fascinating and extremely interesting watch. These two guys love them or hate them re and will always be part of our history they were fiercely respected by many and the mere mention of their names could strike fear into the hearts of the biggest toughest men across London. They didn't ask for respect they commanded it and now they are dead people can say what they like about them but I guarantee most of the people on here wouldn't utter so much as a word of it if they grew up in 1960's London :)
Who gives a fuck
+baan58adam haha brilliant :)
+david john robert the krays were deranged small-time criminals.
+david john robert the krays were deranged small-time criminals.
I disagree but respect your opinion everyone is entitled to one :)
Love hos Fred's always nearly seated in his interviewees laps
Fascinating stuff. It was a way of life back then I suppose. The Krays are indeed fascinating to read about.There is a stern reminder here however that crime certainly does not pay !
The Kray's were amazing and so interesting!
+Justin England yeah, fascinating that reggie couldn't consummate his marriage and Ronnie had an IQ of 78.
+Justin England yeah, fascinating that reggie couldn't consummate his marriage and Ronnie had an IQ of 78.
Love to know who the rock star was!
Roger daltry
Others may disagree but I find that when you hear Freddie Foreman talking about the Krays and some of the goings on from those days that he talks facts. Theres none of the usual bullshit from people trying to make out they (not the Krays) were bigger gangsters then they were and how they did this or that. With Freddie he allegedly did do this and that but theres no bragging and he describes those villains around him very accurately and honestly.
Of all the characters associated with most the gangs of London back then, Freddie Foreman is the guy that intrigues me most
This is like Alan Partridge meeting the Krays...
+IndependentGeorge76 Exactly what I thought
the official biographer to the Kray twins!
the limo pulling up with a shadowy figure saying "I run a lot of London's underworld" lol
Thanks for the upload
Excellent book,.
Crime does pay, but only at the very top, where most get away with all sorts; especially banking dynasties.
When you read it all from the Krays point of view, the murders seem justified. (Remember, all gangsters know the score if you sign up to that life) Cornell took major liberties, called Ronnie names to anyone who'd listen, tried to instigate a war between Krays and Richardsons and went drinking in Kray manor minutes after a brutal battle in a pub where a Kray soldier was killed. Jack was a liability. He'd stolen from them, brandished a shotgun in public, said he was going to kill Reggie, smashed up Freddie Foreman's boozer. When you are at the top of the food chain, as the Krays were, the way you stay there is to send a clear message that you won't be fucked with. I don't condone homicide but to gangsters, this is a way of life. Cornell and Jack must have known what was coming.
+freddybeer real gangsters dont write books or go in front of a camera.all people who think there gangsters are all fucking pussys soon as the police arrest them they start singing better than sinatra...FACT
+Easyandy100 Just a question to you mate ,as you say ,they weren't the biggest in London ,who would you say was ,Richardsons ,Nash's ,or some other mob
***** stop telling lies.what the fuck do you no about frankie ?
+Easyandy100 Thanks for a nice and polite answer Easy
Reggie and Ronnie always thought torture was never needed. If someone got out of line, you gave them a slap. Anything more that, you get rid of them, I guess. Torture, just too much, man.
Fred Dinage sounds like Alan Partridge
I'm Fred Dinage and I sound like a complete c#*t more like!
I'm Fred.......Fred Partridge.....
LONG LIVE THE KRAYS ,,,,,,
Great video. They should make a film about franky . That would be good.. call it franky.
Dean Grant inspired
41:10 the man said that "if you want people to change, you got to give them the opportunity to change the krays never had that opportunity" but they both had the opportunity to have a life in the army and a second opportunity to have a life as a professional boxer, how many opportunity's do they need?
Whatever you do in life, you be a man and take responsibility, look your kid's in the eye's and sleep at night. Nothing has changed i notice, the politicians, Lord's, people who have been responsible for 1000's of dead carry on being untouched.
More than a little of Alan Partridge about Fred ,and all the better for it
'There's nothing like a bit of gang warfare to liven thing up.' - 'Mad' Frankie Fraser
he knew them as small boys as he knocked about with their dad charlie
State of that comb over what a helmet
Fred is a proper gangster.dont let him fool you..
Ronnie Kray was born first
strange how foreman, denies the mad axeman killing here but in other documentaies he admits the killing in detail.... Hmmm
My family were good friends with the heat and a family member was a part of there gang 😌😔
Ide love to see the Krays on H.O.W
This guy sounds like Alan Partridge
Good doc rest in peace kray brothers
i dont think so m8.
Fascinating
fascinating that the Twins wanted someone to tell their story. Plainly they had no idea as to what they were like. It is nauseating to hear so many people whitewashing them. And yet fascinating. Profession of Violence is a very good book and removed from personal contact with them.
& GETTING AWAY WITH MURDER by LennyHamilton & Craig Cabell is a VERY GOOD book
I'm guessing the rockstar is Roger Daltrey lol Im being serious. and the guy in the limo actually feautured in the richardson one and his name is Wilf Pine.
Ah right. I wondered which crime family Ron Kray had a connection with so I'm guessing Genovese as Wilf Pine although English' was taken under Joey Pagano's wing (made guy) Very interesting chap, Wilf Pine.
lol he might as well sit on their laps when he interviewing them
men are born children and stay children. These are the words from The Kray's Grandmother and she was right.
"Men, they stay kids all their fackin' lives".
Very true lol indeed👍🏾
Fred Dinage is Alan Partridge!!
And thats HOW for now
Haha I always laugh when bobby cummings is on these. He's been in prison with them all talk. I was surprised not to see him on the acid bath murderer one and brides in the bath one. he would have said, "yeah i was in prison with george haigh and john smith".
"and that's how 4 now"
lol, now I recognise him 😀
When I was about 4 I went to frankie frazers funeral
So your six years old now then hey?
Good on you Lenny, they were fucking bullies.
What are you in kindergarten ? Bullies you say? Be a man not a child.
If only I knew the interviewer's name! He never mentions it.
DarkNemesis4300 -his name is Fred , and hes got a café called " Freds Diner " , he does a lovely beans on toast !
Me and you are in that same boat. What is his name again? I just need to make sure.
can they sit any closer to each other in the church?
Come on Frank. Tell us what's so tough about torturing someone that's tied 2 a chair unable 2 defend himself?
Had the producer never heard of a TRIPOD? This doco is so good but its like watching it in a earthquake. Hold the camera still for more than 12 seconds please!
Wasn't Fred Dineage in that programme "How?" with Carol Vorderman?
Yes he was
So Fred Dinage (17.27) got Ronnie to put the muscle on the guy who had the rights to the book, so that the guy wouldn't pursue it and Dinage could carry on writing it? Erm...does he not think his journalistic ethics might be slightly compromised by that? Sounds like an Alan Partridge statement.
Wonder who it was......
+sarah thompson Yes. Maybe Morrissey. ;)
Fred Dinage did not get Ronnie to put the muscle on anybody Ronnie did it of his own accord that is exactly what Fred said
david john robert But he was complicit by knowingly taking the job as a result- and doesn't seem to notice. It really is a Partridge meets Ronnie Kray scene.
Michael Donaghy That isn't what you said but yeah I 100% agree with you that he took the job being fully aware of the situation. But on the other hand I believe the Kray brothers or anybody in the world as a matter of fact should be able to pick who tells their life story. Your right in what you are saying though they went about it in the wrong manner
they were not identical twins. And Reg was born hours after Ron. not 10 mins. like he says. you can clearly see the difference in them.
The real Doug and Dinsdale Piranha.
I would be scared of them bumming me then a good hidding
DINSDALE!!
What's the bloke called presenting this? I think he mentioned it but I may have missed it
Why does he use respect when really it is fear?
This could be a really good doc but the shaking camera and cut-aways are distracting and irritating. Hope Fred Dinage will one day just sit and talk to us about his experiences with the twins.
18.00 roger daltry
The most notorious gangsters in British history, on what is that based ? They were the Oasis of the mobsters, in fact silly characters, but creating so much buzz around their pathetic little lives that some people automatically asume they were the most notorious. They were the most talked about, but the Richardson gang was by far more violent and more efficient than that silly twin.
Ronnie was Born 1st and Reggie was 45 minutes later
Reggie was born first
Actually there was 25 hrs between them.
go on the kray tour and at the end listen to the man on the end weird
didnt think frank new them until they were in prison together?
Don't Believe poeple like Dave Courtney mate . Frazier is the real deal he knew the krays very well Courtney us a plastic mug his the one that said Frank only knew them In prision
what year was this shown? Anyone know? ta
Pair of bummers
you have too much time on your hands Fred.
I have a bit of Ronnie Kray inside off me. Think I'm joking but I am not. Ronnie was fucking awesome and a Don!
" I'm frightened of nothing and know of one" sorry Frank that's just not true
So frank was 10 in 1932
When someone called the Kray a fat poof what result you would expect? Obviously death and for that both Krays were jailed nearly for ever.
is the book any good?
The Profession of Violence the twins biography is probably the best book on the twins
Why is it always about who was gay or not ! Who cares it's about there story surly !!! I actually find them fascinating and love to her about them , not saying they weren't very naughty boys but I'm sure they did what they needed to do at the time ! I'm sure they had good hearts deep down .
It wasn't normal back in them days
would these so called hard men make in some prisons around the world which are hard. like Russia. Thailand. Cambodia even the u.s.a.. which are run by the brotherhood. our prisons are just too soft. we must go back to the victorian era for their punishment. reform dont work.
i love tom hardy but i fancy that 'Legend' film was not very accurate against this and Freds book
+RLP1989 it wasnt meant to be too accurate it was more comedy?!
pistolpeeroy i think so, but i just find it bizarre when they release a film based on real people and events yet fictionalize so much of it, why not just create whole new characters and a story based on real people but not claim them to actually represent THE people? I feel somehow that it's disrespectful to the real life memories and just misinformation to be honest as if somebody wrote a book or made a film about my life and most of it wasn't even true i would be quite pissed off lol, just one of those things that gets on my nerves, but hey, that's the movie and entertainment business i guess :)
RLP1989 you're a helmet.
Albert reading ,frankie didnt fuk with albie ,in fact in koed him
Fred what happened you look ridiculous.
He ponces off his label as official author of kray book but if you read reggie book born fighter he says that this book he wrote was total rubbish fill of lies and the script had passed through many hands and was mostly lies in it he says mcvite was impaled on the floor by reggie Freddie foreman who disposed of the body at sea says that was bullshit was no wound to his kneck so lies he says Ronnie killed Cornell for calling him a fat poof but if you listen to Ronnie in the kray tapes he says that is rubbish so another journalist writing bullshit and poncing off the kray name
Visuals are simply horrible. Don't you know what a good documentary should be? Journalist vanity fair.
So what there gay bio what ever...they made there money at means they know how ...so there not that stupid ...i prefer them and what they done ...that i do of child murders and pedos....
Who was the rock star who owned the rights to their life story?
I think it was Roger Daltrey.
MrMetalover666 yup
d willey have a word with yourself friend. It's Roger Daltry.
Bollox