Final Fantasy: Advent Children In a Post-Remake World
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- After completing a play through of the latest entry in the Final Fantasy 7 Universe, I felt the need to rant for awhile about a much older entry, and how we might now find enjoyment with it given some new context.
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This movie was my first introduction to Final Fantasy other then Kingdom Hearts and I liked it.
Zachary T. I thought the movie was great
I didn't even feel like anything was obtuse
A friend showed me this movie for my first introduction to Square Enix anything. I felt like I'd just been thrown into the middle of a narrative (because I was). Because of that, I didn't have any reason to like the characters. I didn't know them beyond their fighting styles, and Tifa rubbing me the wrong way. Years later, I saw Crisis Core. I liked Crisis Core because it started at the *beginning* of the narrative.
Same! I didn’t understand what was happening on screen at all but I was here for it. And now I’m a huge FF7 stan
Same here, I first saw this movie back when I was a kid and it was what got me into Final Fantasy in the first place. I've still got a huge soft spot for Advent Children to this day despite the fact that I can definitely see the faults in the narrative now with an adult perspective lol. I still re-watch it from time to time too.
Nomura: Everything's all going to plan.
Me: What plan?
Nomura: Exactly.
This lol
Best XD
it a japanese thing that milk the ip for all it got from fan.. that why they build fanbase on first place...
@@campkira Japanese? I dunno years of reading comic books, watching disney films and endless movie remakes, it's a capatilism thing.
@@campkira *Looks over at Ubisoft* Are you sure about that?
Aerith say "no time for dilly dally" in remake when you try to leave wall market with dress on
oh i've GOT to go back and try that now
Nice catch!
Advent Children == The Rude and Reno show. prove me wrong. =P
"Guess we're clocking out early..."
ok so I literally just watched advent children like... two hours ago and let me say I enjoyed watching rude and reno more so than like any of the rest of the movie lmao
When I was playing the remake and re-watched Advent I just kept thinking "Why has no one ever given these two an anime?!?! " I love them and I want more of them.
Its why I liked AC
Not for me, i loved watching the Remnants.
I feel like you missed the point of the story of AC. Cloud isnt "moody", that's called being in a depression because of what he saw as his past failings(IE letting Zack and Aerith get killed without any way to stop it and having some element of survivor's guilt because he was very happy with Tifa and Denzel), which by the end of the film he had to get over...which he did with the help of Zack Aerith and Tifa and Denzel. Hence the entire ending scene of him seeing off Zack and Aerith letting go of his regrets and moving on with Tifa and Denzel...
Advent children in itself isnt about the overarching plot of the FF7 world nor is it intended to be. Its but an excuse to delve into the characters minds and feelings after the original game(Especially Clouds.) This makes sense considering the original vision of AC by Nojima and Nomura was intended to be a 15 minute short detailing the relationship of Cloud and Tifa and them musing on Cloud's musings on Aerith and Zack and his emotions towards moving on to the future. It was expanded into a bigger project following the rumors of the project blowing up online and SE heads wanting that sweet FF7 money
This.
Also I think it's misunderstood because it turned into something it never planned to be and yet it failed to say it's not a direct sequel to the game but a project. Then later on they just kept expanding on it making it more confusing. The multiple novellas besides the Kids Are Alright are the prequels to Advent Children. They are related to each character needing to resolve something related to their story arcs in the original game. On The Way to A Smile, which is the name of the series for instance implies that the end goal is Cloud's smile (accompanied by it's own score) , resolving his guilt so he can finally lead a peaceful life (This is identified as his Promise Land being able to live on with his friends and family) This is extremely significant as it ties up his entire character arc. Fans who know his story see he finally got closure and Tifa's dilly dally line makes perfect sense. We're seeing how he finally was able to move on from the many issues he has in the first game. It's actually a really good story. I like how they did that.
but
The execution and the way they presented it was terrible. It was first released unfinished. Then stuff was added but still not explained at alk. On the surface it looked cool. In reality it's really really important plot wise yet no one knew what it was.
It would make more sense and make more money if fans weren't so confused. If the reference to the novella arcs themselves had been included somehow in the movie. They were completely left out and even with Complete released it was still missing huge chunks of how this happened. Considering Case Of Tifa is so short and explains why the heck Cloud is out and about, dying, refers to himself as a delivery boy and has a kid now I think they would have made more money leaving that in and baiting fans with the promise of more lore in the other novellas and the case of Denzel OVA.
Instead they confused people and barely anyone knew of the Compilation until a lot later.
Still as a die hard fan of the original game I really appreciated it and it got me into the lore of the Compilation in the first place.
Funny how in none of that you mentioned he has a disease called Geostima which causes immense pain, depression and eventual death. Denzel also has it which is why he bed ridden for most of the movie.
I found this "moody" Cloud to be realistic in the ways you explain. I also never saw a romance between Cloud and Aerith. He takes her death hard because it proves how useless and powerless he was and that all his failings lead to deaths. The fact that Sephirot did the killing only enforces his insecurities and while his mind is repaired somewhat that is different from living with the guilt, which AC is about. He wants forgiveness for being weak, not because he mourns a romantic relationship, despite being hyper strong and suffering from Geostigma. He wants to get it from both Zack and Aerith and somewhat gets it in the ending of AC. It is a messy anime way but at least a coherent and relatively simple story, unlike the FF VII remake.
don't worry ff7remake will remake all that.. bye bye survivor's guilt. if that doesn't work they can alter the timeline again.
@@Fenris30 Well yeah, that's kinda of a spoiler. But that is not why he's depressed. He's depressed in Case of Tifa because he remembers his survivors guilt of not being able to save Zack and Aerith. He's happy until then. He doesn't get Geostigma until the end of the novel.
"Dilly Dally, Shilly Shally" is essentially an attempted translated version of the sound someone makes when carrying something heavy, which in the japanese version is the sound Tifa makes.
What Tifa is essentially saying is that Cloud weighs himself down with the mistakes of his past and carries it with him as extra weight and that is what holds him down.
Which is why later in the film Cloud when Cloud returns to the final fight, saving Tifa, he tells her that feels light, and implies it must be cause he got rid of that "dilly dally shilly shally".
Make sense? :3
Cloud says "all that dilly dallying", not "all that dilly dally shilly shallying". But yes, makes perfect sense.
Doesn't make it better for the translation team. They came up with something incredible stupid that I questioned myself for years to come because I ain't a English native speaker haha
Thanks for the explanation :)
This is why you translate MEANING and not WORDS. Translation 101.
@@sor3999 more like localisation without deviation of the original meaning, something that Crunchyroll and Funimation don't understand.
final fantasy 7 remake isn't a remake, "remake" is the title. the story is being remade not the game.
It's a sequel... they aren't retelling anything. FF7 OG is still very much cannon.
@@cvx5595 Uhhhh no. You DID play the game, remake that is, right? Its literally the start of FF7 original.
@@VeryProfessionalGamer did you play the game? It's a revisit of a previous timeline. Seph and to a lesser extent Aerith literally know the events of OG FF7. This is a sequel my dude. Red literally says in the final fight that OG FF7 is the bad ending. "A glimpse of tomorrow if we fail here today."
@@cvx5595 a sequel is the continuation of the same story , by the remake being an “alternate timeline “ dealio of that story means that it stands alone as its own thing; an alternate version of the original thing... meaning; it cannot be that original thing’s sequel but rather its alternate potential reality. The fact that sephi and Aerith seem to have knowledge of the alternate timeline and its destiny does not change that fact. If the arbiters of fate are trying to keep fate from being messed with then that implies that what were witnessing in remake is retelling ( re-happening? ) of these events and not their continuous subsequent future events. Bask in my glorious explanation and come @ me with a response if ya dare son!
All of the characters are lovable to me, the anime-esque world of Final Fantasy was probably what subconsciously influenced me to like anime in the first place
You're everywhere
I think we're the same person
Awe man. You again
Wow you're here too
Sephiroth: "I will never be just a memory"!
DILLY DALLY SHILLY SHALLY!!
Damn I just got tackled by 7th grade memories
In the defense of the movie, this line makes a TON more sense in Japanese.
In their attempt to translate it they tried to come up with something similar, and got this silly line.
@@LordEcks I've only ever seen it with subs, the version of which I saw even had an explanation handy on screen for the turn of phrase they used. Sounded like zuru zuru, zuru zuru.
@@SilentPierce Yes. This is a type of words in Japanese you will find quite often. It's hard to explain the meaning as English is a lot more verbose and Japanese terms can hold various different meanings in English. Hearing Zuru-zuru Zuru-Zuru doesn't sound odd, but Dilly-Dally Shilly-Shally does sound a bit dated... but they were going for something similar to the original japanese repetition style.
it's basically yada yada yada but that might be copyrighted...
@@supremeenchilada8725 No, it doesn't really mean yada yada. Its difficult to explain, but it means more like something is 'dragging on'. Its also more like a sound effect akin to English "onomatopoeia".
私はぬかるんだ斜面を"ずるずる"と滑り下りた。 I "slithered" down the muddy slope.
Tifa says "zuru zuru" in this scene to point out that Cloud keeps dragging along the same as always (refusing to change).
"Advent Children was the first to show that Sephiroth had the power to direct control over those infected by Jenova." Um...No, that happens in original game. A lot, especially when Cloud gives him the black materia. And black-cloaks turning into Sephiroth was the original idea from the game that wasn't used.
I do love your videos and video about this though. :D
yeah, well theres only so much Glass Reflections can google.... so many of the points here were taken from other posts and theories, hardly believe he knows what he is talking about. probably only posted this so he can get views because ff7 remake is popular. he should stick to anime next time.
As soon as he said he had to speculate about the origins of Loz, Kadaj, and Yazoo, he lost me. They are completely explained in the movie. Physical manifestations of Sephiroth's will that has be diffused into the Lifestream.
He meant "taking over the body", seph dawg didnt have this "power" in the game.
@@xyzen9673 in the original sephiroth was already able to take over Jenovas body. he was also able to influence all those with S cells. Sephiroth being able to control the body of the hooded individuals isnt a surprise in the remake because it has already been established that he has that type of control way back in the OG. Not just advent children.
Poor Pinoy Sneakerhead
To be fair, in the original game it’s kind of nebulous as to how much control Sephiroth has vs how much Jenova has
I Like Tifa's outfit is this movie.
Ya. She's definitely the best dressed/designed.
Hopefully they bring this outfits to Remake
The thing to understand about Sephiroth is that he's a Lovecraft protagonist, who spent too much time alone in the library and realized that he is the monster at the end of his book. And after he died, the part of him that was human returned to the Lifestream, while the part of him that was Jenova remained. The black cloaks who marched themselves to death at the Northern Crater were all under his control. As Cloud had been to deliver the Black Materia to him.
All of Hojo's test subjects for the Reunion project were "Sephiroth copies", meaning puppets for the Jenova-ghost of Sephiroth to control, or even to manifest himself in their flesh. And it was shown in the original game that as their sense of self diminished, Sephiroth's hold grew stronger. And vice-versa.
And the longer Sephiroth was dead, the more inhuman he became. The more of Jenova's power he was able to wield. Until the end of Advent Children, when what remained of Jenova within the Lifestream was purged (not counting Lucrecia, because she wasn't in the Lifestream). And so, what remained of Jenova was too weak to allow him to affect the world after that point in time.
But Jenova is a Lovecraft eldritch horror, not particularly subject to mortal laws of physics. And so it is that Sephiroth, who remembers failing in Nibelheim, failing at the Northern Crater, and failing in the sky above Edge, who has gone back. To convince Cloud to leave Midgar before he remembers the truth. Because of all the bodies that Sephiroth can wear, Cloud was not only the most powerfully mako-enhanced to accomplish his puppeteer's goals with ease, but also the only one who had an anchor able to pull him back to himself. So Sephiroth needed to change history, to remove Cloud from the board, and claim a different piece in his stead.
Thus Zack survives in the new timeline.
Whose superpowered body do you think Sephiroth was wearing this time around?
And what do you think Sephiroth will do when Aerith can get through to him?
Holy shit is sephiroth gonna take over Zack!?!
@@AggroSZNThat is my theory, yes. That the way they will come up with to cleverly have Aerith's death scene play out differently is by having the body being puppeteered at the time be the one who said "was that all of them".
Wow you hit the nail right on the head
Nice Essay. Forgot to include the fact that the planet is also a living thing above all law physics, that is also sentient and has means to communicate, therefore Aerith being in the know of the whole script.
As for the Zack theory, sounds interesting but I like the alternate timeline theory better. Leaves less incongruities.
Maybe.... something might happen
12:46 Nope...the game is called Remake not because of the reasons ppl immediately think...it's not called Remake cause it's remaking the events of the original...it's called Remake cause Sephiroth is trying to remake history, the Sephiroth we see in the Remake is post-Advent Children Sephiroth.
They kept the name Remake so ppl wouldn't immediately know the game was in fact a sequel instead of a traditional remake.
So no, it won't consolidate anything, it's just going to expand it.
It's called Remake for both reasons. Like OP said, Remake is indeed called so due to the remaking of the timeline, but also because this first game in the Remake Project is truly a Remake of the Midgar portion of the original game. Nomura has confirmed this is the case in the Ultimania.
@Lockonese Because there are games are called remake despite being a actual remaster. Hell some "remakes" are actually go way to far to make in a remaster.
I remember that my mom wanted to watch Advent Children "because it looked good animation wise".
I had to pause the movie like every ten or twenty seconds to *TRY* and explain what was going on.
Needless to say, we didn't enjoy watching it together. I did watch it later by myself and enjoyed it.
Regardless your mom saw it and that's still cool
I had to explain to my mom what happened before in FF7, all the Jenova stuff, SOLDIER, the characters in a summarized way before we watched AC. We started last night and she seems to be enjoying it
I unironically ADORE Advent Children, buuut specifically Complete, and I also totally & freely admit it has TONS of issues, as my best boi has pointed out! 😅
I was super surprised when I first watched the complete version. Mostly I was just thinking "Why wasn't all this here from the beginning?" XD
Glass Reflection a lot of movie could be definite by that
@@GlassReflection but they have removed the aerith scene during the end credits, that's my only complaint about the complete edition, but the rest is so much better than the first edition (even the graphics).
It makes everyone flow so much smoother, narrative wise. Plus, ACTUAL BLOOD. It was so awkward in the original version when there was no blood despite Cloud getting shot, slashed, and stabbed repeatedly.
Unpopular opinion:
As someone with only a passing admiration for the FF games, (my firsthand knowledge of them only covering VII, VIII, IX and X with VII personally being at the bottom of that list), I'm actually one of those rare guys who's a fan of all three FF movies. Spirits Within, Advent Children and Kingsglaive. And I'd be lying if I said that my enjoyment of them was anything deeper than an affinity for their technical prowess and visual appeal. Because, as you so aptly pointed out, all of their stories are lackluster as Square's intent with all of them has always been more about selling the audience on the game franchise than telling a cohesive stand-alone story. (Save maybe for Spirits Within and that script still could ave used another pass...........or several.
4:39 Hill from the future, they did.
I was just about to comment that
I’ve never played ff7 or the remake but advent children is a movie I’ve watched a few times. I found it interesting . I didn’t need to know the lore to understand it or to enjoy it but I can see how for fans who have played the games could of been scratching their head to piece it together .
I don't think the plot of the movie REQUIRES knowledge of the FF7 plot to be enjoyable. It just requires a much more active role on the part of the viewer which is something most movies don't do. It'd be like somebody going to watch Avengers Endgame as their first Marvel film. They might be able to put the basic plot together and have a fun time doing so, but they won't get the full experience.
@@prophetofdoom4790 This is actually the perfect way to explain it!
Am i the only one that wants advent children outfits in the remake games
You will never be the only one to want this. 👍🏼
I do like the whole one sleeve coat Cloud wears, I'm happy with Tifa either way, but I'm not sure about the whole fishnet shirt of Barrett's.
@@michaelwilson5114 fishnet barret is iconic
@@FlutterSwag Not saying I hate it, just I think I prefer the Remake outfit better in his case
@@michaelwilson5114 just dont let marlene see him wearing it XD
Did you know when the Rain falls during the battle with Kadaj that was Aerith's Level 4 limit break. My friend who doesn't watch anime liked the Advent children movie. We watched it on the drive back home from somewhere far. That was the first thing that introduced him to anime and now he watches anime lol
10:49
Someone who's already gotten used to Nomura's bullsh*t: .....First time?
Yes, how dare he copy Kingdom Hearts, what largely copied this game on the first place!
Lost me when he said the music was a problem with the remake. Lol. The music was the best part. I mean the game is terrific but the music is probably one of the best soundtracks ever made for a game. Up there with Final Fantasy 6 or the original FF7. I would argue that in most cases the Remake soundtrack far surpasses the original.
My take on it is that the Sephiroth we see (in Remake) is actually Sephiroth but actually Advent Children Sephiroth. A couple of things that lead to this conclusion are the fight with the Whispers, their moves and abilities are direct representations of the Remnants from Advent Children. Not Tifa, Cloud and Barrett as some have suggested. This would also explain why Sephiroth seems to know what is going on, He has moved back in time to attempt to stop his defeat. Another clue about all this is when Cloud meets Sephiroth (and Sephiroth is visible to everyone) in Hojo's lab, cloud grabs his left arm, the same arm with the geostigma in Advent Children.
It got confirmed in Ultimania that those Boss Whispers were the Remnants. They even turned into Whisper Bahamut Sin.
I'm pretty sure the Sephiroth in Hojo's lab was that clone though. He specifically mentioned 'reunion' there and the post-AC Sephiroth from the end doesn't even seem interested in Jenova or her plans at all.
Cloud definitely hallucinated the clones as Sephiroths at points, but that could be because of the OG Sephiroth (who should still be in the Northern Crater) resonating through them as he's still a 'failed' clone. Here though, we specifically see that clone not only use Masamune to fight off whispers, stab Pres Shinra, and Barret, but take Jenova, fly to the roof, then jump off with Jenova in hand after dropping the Sephiroth guise.
Wow. That really is a ridiculous evaluation. The story has its problems (the ending the biggest of all) but the music is by far the MVP of this game.
@Lyn what they said is still correct. We see many different Sephiroth forms in Remake but Advent Children Seph is one of them
@@andreseh87 For the most part it was great, but a few tracks got super annoying after a while like the wall market theme. I was there for so long I eventually just muted my tv I couldn't take it anymore lmao. I personally preferred FF-XIII soundtrack, but this was pretty great too except a few songs.
I know this is 9 months old, but since the game was released on ps+ for free, I have to agree the music is some of the best vgm I have EVER heard, and very nostalgic.
4:39 LOL this aged poorly. thank god for crisis core reunion
"Consolidation."
"Tetsuya Nomura."
Good luck with that....
I would LOVE if you did way more FFVII content. Especially since we got such an amazing remake with new story beats and with it actually being a sequel. I'm all for FF content on this channel! Character writing was amazing in the Remake. (Very much unlike Advent Children, Gackt/Genesis and ESPECIALLY Dirge of Cerberus) Barret was incredible and so was Cloud, even more so if you know his story. Can't wait for them and Red XIII writing in future parts. Aerith, Tifa & Zack too. Zack 'cause of course this game is Sephiroth remaking the timeline and thus it's a remake/sequel at the same time.
The original writers are attached to this product, I’m not exactly sure how you didn’t know that
Yes I’m also very confused by what he means considering it’s all the same people.
It seemed like he was saying he trusts a sparse few writers in Square Enix more generally, and none of /those/ people are on this project. Though I may still be wrong.
Uncanny Cowboy that is literally what he said. He never said the original writers weren’t on it. Just that writers -he- trusted to weren’t. Nothing more then that. Simple and straight forward really.
Great game developers do not translate into great filmmakers. The legendary Sakaguchi also make a terrible movie called The Spirit Within
I don’t think he knows what he’s talking about
Recently rewatched Advent Children because it was ages since last time I saw it. Turns out I got my hands on the expanded version which helped a bunch to make sense of stuff. Over-all, though I was surprised by A) just how damn basic the plot is, considering how confusing I found it the first time, and B) that it's _really_ all about Cloud getting over his massive, _massive_ guilt complex for having failed to save Aerith.
Seriously, that's the actual main conflict. From a thematic perspective it's more of a psychological drama than an action movie and if Cloud hadn't been so busy avoiding his smoking hot girlfriend and the kid they apparently adopted because he was feeling sorry for himself, he could probably have beaten the snot out of the Sephi-clone trio within the first third of the story and been done with it.
(By the way: "Dilly dally shilly shally" was a somewhat... _creative_ translation of "zuru zuru, zuru zuru", which roughly means "dragging along, dragging along." Basically Tifa was implying that she was fed up with Cloud's angsty bullshit and that he needed to get over it. Which, again, is basically what the entire movie is about.)
Yeah I thought of FF7 as basically the story of cloud getting over Aerith and Zach's deaths and being with Tifa
@@luismijares1461 Though, their relationship in Advent Children was oddly... ambiguous? They didn't exactly act like a couple, like they weren't really further along than they were in the game. And sure, I could sorta see that with Cloud being the way he was. But then there's the whole "pretty much adopting a kid" thing, and Tifa's comment about them being a family... I dunno, it felt like Square Enix just didn't want to commit to it.
@@RelativelyBest yeah Square won't make anything 100% definitive but the conversation she and Cloud have (I recently rewatched parts of Advent Children) where she says "What will it be us or a memory" i think means will you continue to be sad about Aeriths passing or will you be willing to be with me. That and Aerith and Zach leaving through the white door i think it indicative that Cloud has gotten over her and will be with Tifa
@@RelativelyBest You are correct: their relationship is, canonically, ambiguous and left up to fans to interpret. There are _hints_ that they're together, but there is no official confirmation, and that's how the developers wanted it. They're raising a family together, but the children are neither biologically nor legally their own. They're shown to be sleeping in the same room, but in separate beds. Tifa even makes a comment about them not being a "real" family, but she still chews Cloud out for prioritizing a memory over "us."
Don't forget the Geostigma he had weakened him like it does others, he still probably would have had trouble dealing with the trio all together.
My favorite theory right now is that the remake is actually a continuation of advent children where Sephiroth actually knows that he's destined to fail so he wants to change his destiny by having Cloud join him in any shape or form.
YES!
Cloud - "Stay where you belong. In my memories."
Sephiroth - "I will.... never be a memory."
You know it’s weird, I’ve been seeing clips of this movie all over UA-cam and I have to say...... animation and CGI is really not bad considering this is more than a decade old movie
Its dated but no, its not that bad.
I'd say the models, textures, and animations still hold up. The lighting and skin bumpmaps (Or whatever you call that) are the only things that really show their age.
I watched the complete version recently and wondered if the sorta bland color palette was because whenever the lighting got more colorful or intense the skin started looking plastic.
This graphics and the animations blew my socks when I was a wee kid. Still looks fantastic to this day.
Funnily enough, this was my introduction to the franchise
Gackt yeets off to the Kamen Rider universe.........
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I'll challenge that to some degree. Yes the scene is very much still up in the air and no one knows where or when depending on who you ask will play out during the remake. However, and I'm not sure if you bring this up in the video so I'll edit this accordingly- but the remake series seems to be being shifted around in order to implement all of the content the Compilation has created and decided the remake should actually include those new elements since the original FFVII. Like, DEEPGROUND probably wasn't thought of for the original VII story line until fans demanded Vincent was badass enough to get his own damn game and SE needed a new antagonist for him. Kyrie was a side novel character and you do a whole damn side quest for her! Now how will SE implement all of these elements together, we'll have to wait and see.
A lot of content was cut in the og ff7 remakes re introduces them all. Rouche is good example and deep underground was a cut area.
We know one thing that'll change in a post-remake Advent Children: they should all have upgraded to smartphones 😁
Advent Children started as a short film some in the company wanted to epilogue ff7 with. When the response was so positive Square kept telling the team to make it longer and longer until it became a full length film. (also probably why there are so many versions of it, I own 2)
honestly, Advent Children was my first introduction to FFVII and I actually appreciated the characters and the franchise appeal after seeing it (though I had to piece together what was happening myself through research but it was part of the fun for me). I never played FF in my childhood as I grew up mostly with fighting games and the RPG titles I had fun with before was Suikoden and Wild Arms.
My theory: Sephiroth in FFVII Remake is from the future and used the lifestream to come back in time.
It seems Aerith has premotions and knows the future. Maybe she was told this from the lifestream. Also in chapter 14 I think that's future Aerith from the lifestream, not alive Aerith. In Remake you learn that the dementors can transcend space in time, and Sephiroth is shown to control them, so it would make sense that he can transcend time as well. When the party is seeing visions of the future, is Sephiroth making them avoid the cannon future because he gets defeated?
I think he's a crazy mastermind from the future and we're being played.
They stated in the Ultimania that the Sephiroth that we see in the remake hasn't appeared in the compilation before, so I think he may be in a similar boat as Aerith where that continuity's Sephiroth is also somehow aware of the future.
I also watched Max's playthrough.
I thought the same thing about Aerith in chapter 14. Otherwise why would she ask a guy she met literally the day before not to fall in love with her?
@@SilverZephyr09 I haven't watched any playthroughs yet, but I've played through the game 5+ times and platinumed first week. Played Crisis Core a few times, read the book away from a smile and played OG idk how many times, and watched Advent children a million times. I think anyone who ingested as much content as me would think the same thing
Sephiroth is becoming xehanorth
Crisis Core will not get a re-release or remaster due to licensing issues with the likeness of a certain J-Pop star and his music in the soundtrack. People that have played it have been begging for years to get at least a PS Store release and Square will not do it.
While most do not have a PSP to play it, sailing the high seas is recommended as it adds a lot of back story to the universe.
Also, it will probably make you cry the first time you hear "The Price of Freedom" play in Sector 7 during the remake.
Fuckin' recast Genesis as any other pretty boy Jpop star and call it a day.
@@SanguineRoku Gackt is actual a J-Rock Star not pop. - _ -;
@@randomanimefan0154 Semantics. Cast a Japanese opera singer for all I care, it's not like Gackt is the only pretty guy in all of Japan. Hell, branch out, cast someone from like, I dunno, an Inuit nation or something. There's pretty people everywhere, he can be replaced.
*SPOILER:* Final Fantasy VII Remake is a remake of Final Fantasy VII.
*Fun Fact:* Advent Children was originally supposed to be 20 minutes long but fans demanded for it to be longer, which resulted in the movie we got.
Actually it's a sequel to ff7. Chronology determines this, not what the devs want to claim or what you want to think. Sephiroth is from the future, after the events of Advent Children. That makes it a sequel. They could have left the time travel and alternate timelines out and made whatever changes they wanted. It would have qualified as a remake, if not a "faithful remake" as they claimed it would be. The fact that this is Sephiroth from the future precludes the game from being a remake.
@@justinalbin7272 Remakes don't need to follow the original source material to a tee. Differences are allowed, since it's a re-imagining of the original. We've seen it happen with Wizard of Oz, Scarface, The Thing, Little Shop of Horrors, Land of the Lost (TV Show), etc. Yes it's telling pretty much the same story, but there are differences that allow it to become its own identity. So no. The Remake isn't a sequel. Advent Children is.
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It’s basically confirming the same theories that the Rebuild of Evangelion movies have stirred for over a decade now
@Neon Wave I never said a remake can't make changes. It can change almost anything it wants and still qualify as a remake. They did one of the very few things they can't though. They chronologically placed this game after the events of Advent Children. Here's how it breaks down. The events of the original ff7 happen, ending in Sephiroth's defeat. Then, the events of Advent Children take place, also ending in Sephiroth's defeat. Then, he travels back in time to alter the past, which is where we pick up in ff7 Remake. That makes it a sequel. There is no getting around this fact. It's certainly not a traditional sequel, as Advent Children is, but it is a sequel nonetheless.
I'm all for a consolidation of the lore. I will admit that the Remake story is hard to get with no knowledge of the original FFVII, advent children, or Crisis Core.
However, I loved the Remake Game. It's not perfect in explaining things, but it's a lot of fun seeing Aerith's dialogue for the second playthrough. Her dialogue the first time feels like she is flirting, but the second time around it's so loaded with hints.
Kind of like Watching the Sixth Sense for a second time... :D
This is so interesting cause you're definitely right, this movie definitely isn't friendly to people who dont know ffvii. But as a kid this was my intro to the franchise. All the information my brother gave me watching it was "oh she's clouds girlfriend who died", "that's his best friend who died". Having been a kid, I just really got into all the fun and somehow the fan service still reached me even though I didnt know it. AFTERWARDS I watched the reminiscence of FFVII and it just felt magical to me. I was desperate to play the game for years after that and it took me near a decade until I finally managed to get myself a copy. Advent children is definitely not incredible media but damn it grabbed me.
My biggest problem with Advent Children, as someone who watched it as their first interaction with the series, is that it really poorly represented the characters personalities. For years I thought Cloud and Aerith had no personality and were just pretty protagonist vessels. I believed Tifa was a way harsher and meaner person and I genuinely couldn't understand why people liked her. Now I'm playing through the remake, I can see how wrong my interpretation of the characters was but it's still taken me a while to readjust my perception of them. I still don't like Tifa as much because of Advent Children and it's not really fair on her character.
DONT GO BACK TO THE CHURCH ON DISK 3, Game trailers (RIP) already disproved that.
Their is a video that shows how to get aerith.
Can just yuffie warp to do it
They remade crisis core
The main issue with AC/AC Complete is probably how a lot of its elements are in contention with one another. They want to tell this drama concerning Cloud being wracked with guilt, but they also want it to be this over the top action movie, with the latter often undermining the other. Both due to taking up screen time that could've been better spent showing Cloud's descent into depression (apparently thrown into supplementary material instead) and because it repeatedly renders Geostigma less and less important and debilitating (a few arm clenches is not enough at all) as the story moves along.
It's faulty to the point that one of its own central themes is directly contradicted ("You don't have to be alone, we're all in this together, only not really, because Cloud need to settle things mano a mano!"). How the film's problems are resolved also comes across as convenient and takes away from the struggle humanity had to deal with since this new illness came about.
Also, the whole kidnapping children sub-plot was utterly worthless and unintentionally makes the villains go through what is probably the most time-consuming and impractical plan imaginable. Most viewers probably won't realize the sheer absurdity of it due the film's editing and utter vagueness surrounding everything (only clarified in more supplementary material), but when you stop and think about it, it's insanely stupid.
Their plan is to round up a bunch of kids in Midgar, take them HALF WAY across the entire world, trigger their Reunion Instinct by making them drink Kadaj's piss water, then have them guide the trio to Jenova's remains... which were located half away across the world... back in Midgar... where they already were at the beginning of the story... and had already suspected where the remains were... IT'S GOD DAMN BRILLIANT!
Even dumber is how the kids just baffling stand around a monument instead of actually going to the remains' location, emphasizing how much of a time-waster that business with them really turned out to be.
Another problem with this movie is that the more you understand about FF7 the dumber this movie becomes. The explanation for the Reunion is that anything with Jenova's cells in them will be compelled towards Jenova's host body. In this case Jenova's missing head. So why do Kadaj and his gang of transvestites need to kidnap a bunch of kids to find Jenova's head when they themselves have Jenova cells in them? Find Jenova yourselves you lazy assholes!
What makes it worse is that the kids ended up being wrong. Rufus had it the whole time. Wait Rufus? Didn't he die? Well apparently not. And that's another problem with AC, the way Shinra is presented. I know it's left up to the player whether or not to murder the Turks during the Midgar raid but Shinra is responsible for every tragedy the party has experienced in their entire lives. Reno was the one who bombed the Sector 7 plate and killed everyone Tifa knew in Midgar. She and Cloud should hate their fucking guts even if they begrudgingly worked together in FF7. And yet Reno can just call Tifa on the phone. They have each other's numbers. Did FF7 even happen or are Tifa and Cloud THAT forgiving?
@@elevate07 The Turks actually survive even if you do decide to fight them in the OG, but yes, them suddenly being on good terms with Tifa and such is pretty contrived.
@@elevate07 Thanks for summarizing a LOT of the bullshit why I hated, hated, HATED this movie since 2005 and still do.
I hate this movie so much, I don't even mind if FFVII Remake goes bonkers and completely changes the plot like Aerith living or going full Rebuild of Evangelion on us. Just spare me the horror of Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus existing, please.
@@Sawngawkuh The turks are under the command of rufus and were aerith's friends that's why they are completely fine with being friends with tifa.
@@sarthakarora3212 The issue that other user noted isn't so much them being fine and dandy trying to buddy up with Tifa (since they are trying to make amends for the past), but that Tifa herself is established as already treating it as all water under the bridge and accepting of the people who dropped the Sector 7 plate.
She also never had any awareness of Aerith's peculiar relationship with them (nor was that ever firmly established back when the film was made, as back in the day, it was just Tseng that she expressed some sympathy for at the Temple of the Ancients due to their history), so this wouldn't be a contributing factor.
"some important lore moments that weren't mandatory, in modern gaming you'd be sure that the game would force the player to view these moments before continuing on with the game" "modern gaming has progressed to a point where developpers can't invest a ton of money on something that only a fraction of the player base will experience"
*laugh in From Software
Unpopular opinion:
As someone with only a passing admiration for the FF games, (my firsthand knowledge of them only covering VII, VIII, IX and X with VII personally being at the bottom of that list), I'm actually one of those rare guys who's a fan of all three FF movies. Spirits Within, Advent Children and Kingsglaive. And I'd be lying if I said that my enjoyment of them was anything deeper than an affinity for their technical prowess and visual appeal. Because, as you so aptly pointed out, all of their stories are lackluster as Square's intent with all of them has always been more about selling the audience on the game franchise than telling a cohesive stand-alone story. (Save maybe for Spirits Within and that script still could ave used another pass...........or several.
Samuel Robinson dude just simply say you don't like final fantasy at all and you don't understand the movies except for their visual beaulty. You will barely understand each one of them because they are mostly side stories to answer and bring closure to some stories from the originals. They weren't made for marketing, they are solely a big extra side story as a fanservice to the core fans of the original. Maybe you shoudn't judge something you don't understand from the beggining.
@@minecraftgravityguy If you say so. However, it could be that I do understand everything that's going on and I just don't care for the overly convoluted way that Japanese story-telling tends to lean towards. I don't know if you realize this friend, but you can understand a movie and still not like the way the story is written or presented.
It's called "having an opinion".
Now, I understand that you apparently REALLY like FF and that you're partial to the series as a whole across all its mediums, but its ok if someone else doesn't care for something on the same level as you. It doesn't mean that they lack an understanding of the material. Assuming such things about other people just because they don't like a film's story is an elitist way of thinking.
Besides, what you're saying only applies to one of the three films. Only Advent Children was a story continuation. And, as I already said in the comment I assume you read, I played that game. So I fully understood all of its story beats. The Spirits Within was an overwritten stand alone film; a project which was developed because the creators just wanted to make a photo-realistic CGI movie with the hopes of boosting FF popularity with the gimmick of having created the world's first "digital actress". (In other words, marketing contrivances.) And Kingsglaive was a standalone introduction to FFXV that was released prior to the game itself in order to hype its release. (in other words, marketing contrivances.)
So there was nothing to understand about them that shouldn't have been presented IN the films themselves.
Hey there! I'm from the future, two years, seven months, eight days from the time of this recording and letting you know that Square has fixed that Crisis Core issue. It is a godsend and we're living in a great timeline!
For those who started playing the REMAKE, highly recommended watch this movie because it was VERY IMPORTANT to the plot of the REMAKE. YES, especially Sephiroth.
Still not as much as Crisis Core.
@@TheRezro Actually, ANYTHING involving Gack, you should just ignore. However, Advent Children had more canon material compare to Crisis Core at this point. Especially the Sephiroth in Remake was actually Advent Children Sephiroth. Then you realize Sephiroth has been trying to fuck up the event for Cloud to NOT meeting Aerith the entire time.
@@zhaoyun255 As far as I am concerned this is still just a fan theory. There are so many plotholes if the Sephirot is a different Sephirot from the future. In reality, it is probably just a stand-alone game as they stated and such can always include things, references and have time-travel that is new to the story without the need to twist the original. Then again this was just stupid. People would know more of what is going on because of the original compilation but in the end, we got something that is semi-new semi-reliant yet said to exist without the old stuff that bleeds into the new all over the place. Classic Square Enix.
@@vincentgraymore Well, if you paid attention, Sephiroth only has One-Wing during his transformation only in Advent Children. The Ultima semi-confirmed that the 3 Whisper that fought Cloud, Barret and Tifa are Yazoo, Loz, and Kadaj (Yes, not the manifestation of Cloud, Tifa and Barret like IGN said.) You gotta pay attention to the details while you play, dude when the way they fight, their choice of weapon, why they summon Bahamut and their move's name and even their elemental attribute. Especially the hidden conversation with Aerith while she was kidnapped (You are talking through her dream.) Details man, details. not a mere fan theory anymore.
@@zhaoyun255 Emmm, they have stated that the compilation stuff is not canon for the Remake, right? I know all these details and I have heard them discussed but that does not mean that they are true. The one-winged thing was surely added in AC but that does not mean that it is from AC as it might just be a manifestation that the developer thought was "cool" and used as a reference or even evolution of previous incarnations. The same goes for Kadajs gang. It was stated that the design is based on them, not that it is them and regardless that would not really be the point. Even in an isolated universe, Kadajs gang would exist in the future and a remake is not bound to be a sequel just because it adds timestuff. It does lessen the stakes of the original as it is unknown if this is supposed to even be the same world when there are such additions that break the reality of that universe.
Also, it is kinda stupid for Kadajs gang to be a part of this at all. Kadajs gang does not really fight for Sephirot, they fight for Jenova and are jealous of Sephirot. They are even suicidal to get Jenova's body but in the Remake they are basically fighting for a timeline that has Jenova's body being destroyed making it unable for Kadaj to remain with "mother". So if we think that the harbinger was Sephiroths doing then it was not necessary at all since if he control that he should already be unbound by fate and if the harbinger really wanted to protect the timeline it chooses enemies to itself and fighters that already lost to Cloud (and if we go by the theory of powerlevel increase in the singularity then the cause was already lost for the harbinger since Kadajs gang lost to a single Cloud, not optimal whole gang). Also, I do not remember the laser beams, Kadajs having a stick rather than a parallel dual blade, Loz not doing his iconic flash step move (that even Reno does in the remake in the church that Loz used those moves on Tifa) etc nor the Gatai into Bahamut which does not look like Bahamut SIN.
Aerith through the dream is firstly only 1 of 3 outcomes meaning it is hard to think of it as just a hidden conversation. If this happened then you did not get closer to Tifa or Barret.
It is also necessary to consider the context. Cloud is not head over heels in love with Aerith in the OG, in fact, it can be reasonable to assume that he is not in love at all. Her loss is not the loss of a loved one but rather a loss for Cloud's inner struggle. He wants to be and thinks himself to be someone that should be better and failing to protect Aerith is just as strong as to lose to his influence from Sephirot. He fails because he is weak and someone else dies for it, something that is often used in Anime and something that can hit even harder than losing a romantic loved one. Aerith's death is just one of several failures on Clouds parts and he feels responsible for everything. This is not really confirmed or similar but how many people saw the original but the romance is not confirmed as well. In AC he wants forgiveness for his failure, inaptitude for not being able to accept who he was and how that cost the lives of others (Zacks and Aerith's), not brood over having lost romantic love.
Regardless of all this, it is not really important to the statement that Aerith does, if we are seeing it from a time travel point because in the remake she seemingly, has the power of precognition, which is not the same as actually knowing what happens and project it backward. Aerith in the remake in the dream is very similar to someone that knows the future but in that very same dream, she also accepts Clouds will to save her. It is mostly just a warning but the saving aspect is in this time in the story on 2 levels if the time stuff is real. One is that they are actually in the process of saving her from Shinra and she could easily talk about how it is dangerous for Cloud to save her from that. Second is that we as an audience know however that this more alludes to her ultimate fate but at this point, we do not know that fate can be defeated and neither does Aerith yet her resolve is incredibly weak. She wants to protect Cloud but she also wants to be saved.
Also, it is not her dream but rather Cloud's dream and Cloud in the remake has already seen her death and even shed a tear for it even if he did not understand what happened. In the OG when Aeriths project herself into Clouds dream Sephirot joins in. This is all in all very confusing because this makes Cloud some kind of conduit, something that is more prominent in the remake. He has 2 way between both of them. The reason for this is because Sephirot cannot use the lifestream at all. He is not a Cetra, even if he considers himself one. He can only use the Jenova connection and that is something that Cloud has. Aerith has a connection to the lifestream but can also project herself into other's mind and as far as in known she only does it to Cloud. The OG dream is not precognition as she does not mention anything about her fate or death in any way. Aerith leaves to spare the party the burden that is left to her from her bloodline, she does not really know if she is gonna die or not but Cloud is told by Sephirot that she must be prevented from achieving her action (which we later learn is summoning Holy) in that dream.
People seem to conveniently forget that a major part of Sephirots abilities is that he is locked out of the lifestream. Otherwise, he would not even need to summon meteor and he would not be able to manifest in Jenova influenced bodies. Even if the lifestream is given some kind of omniscience of time and space Sephirot does not have access to it. He is shown to have some kind of tainted lifestream in AC (something people for some reason think is the whisperers even though they are not really similar and lacks the very aspect of being arbiters of fate) but that tainted lifestream does not exist in the OG timeline so even if the lifestream has the ability to send information backward the tainted lifestream did not exist so it should not be able to communicate with the past before it was created. If the tainted lifestream is connected to the real lifestream then Sephirot in AC has won, he should want that fate. He should be able to continue to infect the lifestream and eventually win because the planet does not seem to be capable of countering it if that is the case but we are shown that Geostigma is cured so it is possible that AC really finishes off the Jenova plague but everyone takes the quote "I will not be a memory" as something that means that he cannot ever die. If this is the case then it makes even less sense for Kadajs gang to fight for that future, they are shown to join the real lifestream when they are hit by Great Gospel and probably separated from the Jenova cells. If the tainted lifestream really is the whisperers and that is how Sephirot has access to the past then he has accesses to ALL past and that opens a whole can of worm as such things make it all very convoluted. Just like how the whisperers are bad at their job when they know the past, present, and future but get defeated easily.
You speak of details but people only look for details that confirm their own theories and often lack the ability to have criticism or want to even consider it. You can always find patterns if you look hard enough but that doesn't mean they are correct. There is a whole discussion in psychology for this and it is rampant in fan communities. Yes, there are a lot of things in the details but that also means that we need to look at what isn't there and what doesn't work and not just focus on what actually works. It is possible that all the intentions are discerned by fans but there is also a possibility that there are major plotholes and even more contrived bullshit added in the Remake. AC was already not very well received because it was to many a disgrace to FF VII. This is why it doesn't really have a high rating. There is nothing wrong with theorizing but there is something wrong with writing for the writers based on hunches and assumptions and calling them a genius. It is like how cp3o in star wars is worshiped by the Ewoks yet he is not near a god. Creative work always gains its own life when released but that doesn't mean that that life is the intended, the original, or the correct adaptation.
4:38....They fixed it :D
Everybody: Noruma No
Noruma: Noruma Yes
He did write original, you know?
@TheRezro Nojima and Kitase wrote the original. Nomura was responsible for character design. Some ideas from the original story has been attributed to Nomura, but far less than what has been attributed to Sakaguchi, the man who created Final Fantasy. Coincidentally (or not so coincidentally), people defending this train wreck seem to be unaware of Sakaguchi's existence, let alone his contributions to the original.
@@justinalbin7272 I know, what I'm surprised is that you do. Cause most complaining people are idiots. Or you simply use power of the google?
I watched it as a kid, without having played any FF, I was honestly amazed and intrigued by the world and the music, so I didn't really care about understanding who exactly those characters are.
So what Im getting from this video is that the FF7 extended canon may in fact be worse than kingdom hearts sticking major portions of the story in a mobile gacha game
Tetsuya Nomura really is doing it us huh
By this logic LOTS of famous classical artists work should be scrapped
I would love Crisis Core to be remaster or at least an HD 4K version on PlayStation or PC anyting please!😢
Leslie Kyle is also from the same novel.
I rewatched AC for the first time last week since I was a teenager. I was stunned by how godawful it was. Nothing at all happens until Rufus reveals he has Jenova's head, then its just fights until the end.
Also, the music in the Remake is one of the best of any game this gen.
I become physically ill thinking about how this could have been someone's first FF7 experience.
I watched the movie without knowing anything about FF really years ago. Confused yes, but the actions scenes were really good.
tl;dr: consider sitting down with someone who's never really experienced anything FF7, watch ACC together, and then ask them about the plot and themes afterward. I think you may be pleasantly surprised.
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So, my spouse and I went to see Advent Children Complete in theaters-at time of writing, it's about a week before the release of FF7 Rebirth-and, she really only had one, somewhat minor, question by the end.
And, to be clear, she hasn't played any version of the game, read any primary or secondary content, or been terribly interested in FF7 media prior to sitting down in the theater. All she did know was that "Sephiroth is the big bad, and he killed the flower girl in the game." That's probably just cultural osmosis at work. She mostly went because she knows it's important to me.
After the credits rolled, I offered to clear up anything confusing or poorly explained. And, admittedly, she did have one fairly minor question regarding what was up with the wolf.
After that, though, she said that she had a good time with it, and didn't feel like she'd really missed anything. Given my experience with the compilation, and having been somewhat baffled by AC's original release, I didn't quite believe her.
Later, on the drive home, I was talking about some of the parts of ACC that I really enjoyed. And, to my surprise, not only did she keep pace with me, but she also offered several things back based on an accurate understanding of what she'd just watched.
So, moral of this story, I don't actually think that ACC is nearly as obtuse or impenetrable as it's been painted. I think that reputation comes from all of us who got the original, concluded that it was foundationally broken, and that no amount of patching could fix it. But, that clearly isn't the case in reality.
I’m calling it now- Remake is literally a sequel to AC. Seph shot his consciousness into a different dimeeeeensiooooon!
Hi guys I hope that nice girl selling the flowers doesn't drop any materia down any flights of stairs
"Don't worry we'll explain it later." Star Wars has had that mentality since 1977 I don't see it ever going away lol.
Technically it didn't though. Lucas made that film thinking he wouldn't get to make a sequel, and when they did they flew basically by the seat of their pants.
@@SonofSethoitae I'm just saying each moment of every star wars movie wasn't thought out. Even RotJ had last minute changes. Like in ESB when they say there is another Skywalker that wasnt supposed to be Leia but it ended up being that way. Some of the best stories are born from "here's some info, you'll get an explanation later because I can't think of one now." GL was just better at it than the directors of the new trilogy.
10:57 On top of rhat, from what I'm aware, the Sephiroth that appears in the remake is also the same Sephiroth from Advent Children. Further making Nomura's quote of everything but the original PS1 game being non-canon even more laughable. Gotta love it!
I really choose to live like an ostrich and head in the sand through all these "changes". I have my original working PlayStation and will just replay 7 as I did as a kid.
Damn right
Sadly you will suffocate because this is not 1 game we are talking about, not only 5 years of waiting. It will be 15 years of waiting with 10 years of them in agony over the changes and a spiral that just gets deeper and deeper while parades are held like in Paprika for the greatness of the remake(s). It will infect all media covers that relate to gaming because of either large changes or keeping some plot points. FF VII will be relevant again but it will not be FF VII but FF VII remake that taints all new player's minds of how the original was and old fans cheer only because they get new content regardless of how stupid it will be.
One thing Square should entirely not just consider, but ACTUALLY DO... Is create a full game in which you play AS SEPHIROTH!!! PRIOR TO FF7!! A game where you are Sephiroth as a young soldier, whom plays through as his young self, and then eventually goes on halfway through to be the Hero of the Wutai War... Let Sephiroth shine as the Hero he once was, and Grant his character far more depth, and reveal parts of his mysterious origins... They could make this an action RPG, much like Dirge.. (wish I could play Dirge.. damnit) and then follow it up... With FF7-2. Where Sephiroth is yet again ressurected, and perhaps at this point Cloud is an old man... And the Hero could be a new Hybrid, created from Aertith, Cloud...AND Sephiroths genetic material... Perhaps. Def at least Aerith.
FF7 Advent Children is honestly a terrible movie, but great fanservice lol
Also, FF The Spirits Within was a better movie (still not great, mind you), but definitely not as great towards those who wanted "FF" :P
ALSO! Cloud was NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKING EMO! FFVII AC changed his character to, and Nomura said this in an interview, to fit fanfics of Cloud...
CLOUD WAS NEVER FUCKING EMO IN THE ORIGINAL FFVII!! He was apathetic at first, then he started to give a shit lol
Btw, I have the original UMD release of this movie. Yep lol
I sort of have a soft spot for this film, I have watched it multiple times, but it is not good. It is actually quite bad.
Crisis Core is one of my favourite games. I really hope they make it available on console... one day... please...
And I hope that they would tell more about those events in the remake. Yes, whiners would cry, but who care about them?
I HATE Advent Children Complete
The original was perfect.
Everything was implied by cinematography. It was great show don't tell and Complete turned it into tell don't show.
It's pointless and a weaker version of the original.
Considering the ending to FF7 is meant to be ambiguous whether or not humanity survived and up for you to consider (did the Lifestream wipe out humanity as well since we were being parasites?) , I would say Avent Children and Dirge of Cerberus were bad from the getgo. Yet they are what introduced me to the series.
Not really ambiguous though its 500 years later for the epilogue if Red survives everyone survives to live out their lives. The ending merely illustrates 1. The team lived as if Red survived they all must have as well. 2. Red has a crazy long lifespan and found a mate 3 despite all Shinra did the area once a desolate wasteland but the city in middle of it is once again lush and green.
@@mrdarkstar3756 Red is not human.
@@BinaryDood Your argument is still invalid. And he is.
@@TheRezro How is Red XIII human?
@@BinaryDood Same as Cloud is copy of Sephiroth. Nature of Nanaki is ambiguous, but he is part of the human tribe who posses power of transformation. He was raised by his grandfather, Bugenhagen.
They clearly stated FF7 remake is part 5 of the Final Fantasy 7 compilation project, check the FF7 ultimania book. Tetsuya Nomura is part of the original ff7 storyline writers even before kingdom hearts. Nojima has the story for ff7 universe way before the remake. Some of them are just not available internationally and that’s the problem
i think i picked up the movie from the library when i was a kid after recognizing the imagery from the Soldiers of the Wasteland dragonforce music video and i had not a clue what was going on, but it was very pretty
lolz the only reason I picked the game up in 97 was because the cover looked like a giant robot, but it was just the shinra building
I’m of the belief that the Remake isn’t a remake of the 97 game that is trying to somehow retcon or consolidate some of the plot points of the Advent Children Movie. The Remake is literally a sequel to the Advent Children movie. Others have mentioned this in he comments. This theory seems to make sense to me. The Sephiroth we see in Midgar throughout remake is not OG Sephiroth from the 97 game. The Sephiroth we see in Midgar is the Sephiroth from Advent Children using those possession powers he used in Advent Children to posses the tattooed remnants in Remake. Sephiroth from Advent Children has come through the lifestream and is messing with the timeline trying to create a different outcome for himself in the Remake timeline. Maybe since cloud always defeats him, he plans to use his possession powers to eventually take over Cloud? We’ll see. Aerith in the remake is also aware or at least figures out what is going on through the course of she game. On my first play through I suspected that about her but after the events on the ending of remake and my second play through it’s really obvious that she knows she’s in a remake/alternate timeline. Maybe her Advent Children consciousness is communing with or has merged her Remake consciousness. Another point to note is that there are several scenes from Advent Children seen through out the game in “flashback.” Mostly through cloud but I think the most important one is the scene of Red and his cubs running up a hill and overlooking an overgrown Midgar. That scene was also at the end of the 97 game but what was shown in Remake was the Advent Children version. We’ve been told that scene takes place 500 years in the future and there are no humans left. Red tells the crew when they ask him what they just saw he tells them that is the bad ending and that is what will happen if we fail here today. If they fail to defeat the Harbinger of fate (The Whispers). If things play out the same way it did in the 97 game Sephiroth will be defeated again but humans eventually all die out. Something has to change. I don’t think the Remake is trying to consolidate the old game with new elements introduced in other works. The Remake is a continuation of the same story and it is taking place “after” those events…In an alternate or remade timeline.
I actually just rewatched Advent Children not to long after checking out the Remake. It’s still really, really stupid.
As far as I know Dilly Dally Shilly Shally comes from The Happiest Millionaire.... a Disney movie from way back when. There is a drinking song with those lyrics in it.
17:22 "No free streaming available"
I think you left a word out, there.
Read Lifestream White and Lifestream Black by Nojima. They explain what happens post original game but prior to advent children and also explain alot of newer elements in the remake relating to sephiroth and aerith
After playing FFVII Remake, Tifa’s Advent Children VA gives me the chills. Just not in the sexy hot way that FFVII Remake Tifa’s VA does.
Glass: I highly doubt square will ever get us Crisis Core
Square Enix: Hold my Materia
6:58 - 7:15 Welcome to the storytelling world of Tetsuya Nomura
Yes, the Final Fantasy VII.
Gotta say, I never played any FF games - and I love Advent Children. The battles were cool, the plot was simple enough to understand if you don't try and go too deep. It's just a blast.
Almost nobody ever brings up how "advent" means
"Of God"
Meaning, when translating from Japanese and rearranging the words to adjust for that, it means,
"Children of God."
So who is God and his who are his children? Is Sephiroth the god or is he one of the children?
So... Children of God?
Advent is a Latin word. Advent is Latin for "they come". Ad = towards, vent = they go... ergo Advent = they come.
Ff7 and remake are awesome, thought the film and prequel sucked , definitely can't wait for part 2 to be released now
NANIIIII NOT AN ANIME VIDEO
But....what IS anime?
Let's be honest, FFVII AC is anime as fuck lol
@@GlassReflection a mistake?... So said Ghandi?
@@GlassReflection no one ever asks "HOW is anime?"
I don't get why Final Fantasy Spirits Within gets so much shit. I mean yeah it wasn't good but it really wasn't that bad.
I actually really liked advent children when I first watched it. I didn't even know about final fantasy 7 but still really liked it. But I guess I'm one of the few and I was really young ^^
In my opinion, to FULLY appreciate this film, you need to complete ff7 og, read "on the way to a smile", read "the kids are alright", even play crisis core or read "the maiden who travels the planet".
I think the film is focused on cloud's redemption (especially concerning the lost of aerith). It's like cloud is literally waiting for death to meet her in the promised land like he said in ff7 og. You even see her waiting for him in the end credits of advent children first edition (she was removed from the complete edition's ending). So they made the complete edition (a little) less about aerith stuff and added more Zack stuff and additional scene to make it more digest. But it isn't until you know the main scenario of the og game at a minimum.
By the way I really like this movie since I know almost everything about ff7 universe. And I'm interested about the future links (or not) between the remake and advent children considering some of the remake ending scenes.
Everything pre ff7r is not being “considered canon” not in the sense it never happened, but it’s being rewritten due to Sephiroth messing with the events of the past. This doesn’t make what happens previously unimportant, it all led to the events of ff7r. It does leave the future of the series up in the air, which is exciting. Now that Sephiroth has successfully changed the past, it’s up to the heroes to make it all still work out, and we don’t know WHAT is gonna happen! I can’t wait for the next game.
Nomura didn't say the Compilation titles were no longer canon; he meant that there is no more strict continuity due to alternate timelines introduced into the remake. We all simply misinterpreted what he was saying before realizing it once the game finally came out. If anything, the remake confirms that the Compilation is still very much canon.
3:56 had me dying. "DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH THE TRUCK?"
it sucks that you can't digitally buy the eng. dub in the complete edition. even youtube will love about it.
Gackt is the reason we Will NEVER ser Crisis core remastered or even anywhere else. So give up.
That, and also the fact that CC has the weirdest and derpiest dialogue at times is why I would rather a remake than a remaster, if square does decide to do anything with it.
Genesis could just not be in the new story and everyone would be fine with it.
The way FF7R is being set up, and the way the ending was set up, Advent Children won't even be a thing anymore. The 3 whispers represent Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz and then the fight against Sephiroth is just a big reference to Advent Children itself. The story is going to be mostly different to the point where the events of AC won't even happen, especially if Aerith lives.
I think that's the whole point of Remake's ending. The Whispers were trying to keep the future the same (future is Advent Children, its associated characters and events) and Sephiroth has directly influenced the group/Cloud into changing what comes next
I finished the remake two weeks ago, never having played the original. I bought the original right away and finished the whole damn thing recently, me and my girl watched Advent children right after I finished and we both loved it.
When you realize The spirits within is in the FF7 canon.
"yea sure lets have the director of this movie direct the remake"
Yeah, because Nomura is a good director.
From what I got, FF7 Remake is a sequal to Advent Children since it's AC Sephiroth we see in Remake and not OG Sephiroth.
**SPOILERS**
Seeing as how 7R is a sequel to AC, at least from all the theories out there, mine included, I would say it makes it a better experience in hindsight.
Yeah. Which means to understand 7R, you still need to play the Original FF7. Cause this makes 7R into a SEQUEL not a Remake.
@@UsonoHoushi I agree.
@@onixtalks It is just a theory though. Beside flashing out stuff what already was in the game already, there is nothing that much radically different in the remake. Like whole final take place after encounter with Dream Weaver, who guess what? Cause mass hallucinations. Of course that Sephiroth is underpowered if he is dead at that point.
Well almost 3 years later your wish came true. Crisis Core Reunion was released!!!