For me, aespa's weakness comes from their energy incosistencies and "unsynkness". The moves when focused on seem very individualistic. Each member is doing it differently, with each having different positioning, energy, and posture. You can't see that in the demo versions. While individuality is not necessarily a bad thing, it's bad when each member is different everywhere. For instance, Karina has good power in her moves, especially so with the most energy-intensive ones. But in slow parts, she falls off a bit. She looks uninteresting. To mitigate this, she could use some more tension, but most often than not she stays in her energy level. She uses that energy well but it's sometimes inappropriate. Her body language and her facial expressions are good but they could be better if she extends a bit more. For Ningning, she is definitely focused and uses some level of head movement and facial expression. What she lacks is precision. She sometimes is late or sometimes inaccurate in her moves. Winter is accurate with most of her moves but she lacks a bunch of energy. While there are good body lines, she fails when she does not extend enough. Her energy issues, facial expressions, head movement, and body language all coalesce into this feel of dancing with individual precision with no definition. Lastly, Giselle. Giselle is remarkable in certain moves but like Winter, she lacks energy and general presence. She's fluid, and seldomly not. In dancing, you need to switch between energy types based on the music and its lyrics. She employs her moves in a consistent way, but that way does not necessarily fit a lot of the time.
@@nabi_core yeah well not every decision they make is a good one. i am genuinely not saying this to spread hate, but at the moment they're not good enough dancers to be focusing on individuality like that. their 'girls' and 'illusion' stages genuinely looked so strange and off
This might sounds offensive, but dang the drafts are so powerful. I know aespa is talented, but seeing this comparison, I can't help but compare the energy from both of the videos, and aespa lack the energy and the 'fight' vibes of the song. Well yeah, the dancers will be always have more power and the idols will adjust the choreo to their song, and subtle down the moves. I still wait for the day they perform with better energy and expression. I want them to enjoy the stage more, and I hope that the girls are healthy and well.
Its for the sake of live performance. So that if ever they need to perform live they don’t necessarily need to pause just to sing. Also idols focus on giving faces as well. It needs to look cinematic like
i can see why you're offended since the girls don't give out that much energy but it's for the particular reasons as the person above mentioned and also because you're comparing the demo and aespa dancing to different clothing. one cannot give out much energy that you want them to radiate because look at the difference in the clothing, one has comfortable and the other has accessories and clothings that could tear off or are heavy for them to dance well. They could be overworked too, it's not the same when you're an idol and a dancer. The professional dancers don't even sing but have to give their best for the dance steps they make for the girls. Anyways have a good day/night
@@yukisicetea3533 for the clothing I just saw red velvet live (live rookie, or crazy costume zimzalabim) perfomance I just think aespa can put more little energy if the want to secure the costume. I get that they are maybe tired, or maybe not motivated but it's their job. So yeah that's just my opinion
@@blallalaksksks6885 yeah but aespa rarely sing live and they're not exactly known for their facial expressions either so what exactly are they focusing on? their live stages are so disappointing even without comparing it to the demos. other kpop groups often aren't as powerful as their demos either, but at least they do justice to the dance in their own way. this dance was a little weird to begin with but aespa make it look extra underwhelming and awkward. i love aespa, they're one of the only kpop groups i still take an interest in, but they seriously need dance training and i have no idea why they're not getting it since all of sm's male idols are clearly trained properly. the problem with their gg dance training was honestly evident starting from RV but at least they had the energy to make up for it, and members like Wendy improved a lot over the years
I’ve always thought the choreography at the chorus (the highlight) is a bit awkward and bland. But when I watched the demo version…damn that’s actually good and fit the song well. I wished aespa did it with more energy like the dancers 😭
No its actually all about the angle if you watch the demo far and no movement it would probably look awkward aswell because when aespa's doing the choreo with the camera angle and movement it doesnt look bad or awkward.
They also put their lifted knees in front of their bodies, in a 45 degree angle, making them look like they are about to pee themselves. In the original, the knees were just lifted right before the hip, and that looks way better.
True. The dancers did it with soo much charisma and so much HIP. I was about to say "but they need to sing too" but realized the video they were in was lip syncing
What I find amazing is that Rie's choreo fluidity is unmatched but when Aespa executes it, the vibe is so different since it's sharper and less groovy.
Since this song came out I’ve been thinking this was some of the worst choreography I’ve seen in a while but thanks to this video I now realize the choreography itself is actually good it’s just the execution that makes it lose all its power and uniqueness. Sorry choreographers!
It's not the even girls it's the concept, only winter fits that and she is still out of her element here. And honestly the choreo is not great either way, sorry that chorus repetition was lame and the break is very anticlimactic
I think it has to do with their costume and the concept of their visuals. Look at aespa's costume in studio choom, it is not designed for intense execution like the choreographer. Their costume speaks of elegance and 'stay pretty' aura. So yeah
Thats What i was thinking too. Winter and Karina are pretty accurate with the moves but Ning just brings a certain swag and looseness along with sexiness, I’m absolutely obsessed with her
karina's been my bias since i discovered aespa but this comeback i just cannot take my eyes off ningning!! she's also always wearing much higher platform shoes than the other members so i think it's so impressive how she has the best energy, she deserves soooo much more attention!!!
I understand that idols have to adjust choreo in order to sing comfortably and perform with less energy in some hard singing moments, but the difference in energy between drafts and aespa version is tremendous... One of the reasons why energy is lacking is, maybe, uncomfortable and tight outfits - girls couldn't move freely in them. Anyways, they could have given us more. The song is still a bop tho
no hating but they dont sing live most of the time. And the person should use dance practice video of aespa instead of a video perfomance, where they always have uncomfortable clothes, speacially ningning boots.
for a group who doesnt even sing live that much, you would expect more energy in their dance. aespa almost did no justice to the original choreo :(( it's like ningning is the only one who actually tries.
ningning legit only moves her hair around, i think all 3 (ningning winter & karina) did a bit justice to the dance, gisele still needs more work she keeps falling behind especially when she forgets the moves
I would 10000% give them a pass if they singed live. The fact that they never sing live, not even encores, and then go ahead and lack any energy and refuse to move their faces in any expression makes me angry, tbh.
People in the comments are saying aespa dance with less power due to having to focus on other aspects but what exactly? They haven't sung live on a korean show since debut
most choreographies are toned down in order to allow idols to sing / make a believable lip sync. i personally don't mind them dancing with less power, as they've never marketed themselves as a dance group. they are more of a vocal group and while they haven't sung live on a korean show (yet), i don't mind their lip sync. ningning and winter are having high notes battles in every song, and having to perform those same high notes every other day for a period of 2 weeks or more could be very damaging for their vocal cords. sm is kinda known for doing this
@@aeri412 yeah sure a lot of choreographies are toned down in their final versions, but the majority of kpop idols still deliver ten times more energy than this. and if they’re lip-synching, that usually allows them to put more into the dance. in this video, they’re not even supposed to be singing or believably lip-synching, it’s *just* about the dance and performance, but they have the same low energy levels. the choreographers dancing shows just how much better the whole thing would look if they put more into it. i mean look at ITZY, they’re only 5 members but their choreographies are difficult and fun to watch, and their stage presence is through the roof. they even have sang live a bunch of times despite the difficult choreos and they pull it off. aespa could sing most of the song live but then have backtrack for the more vocally straining parts, it wouldn’t be that hard and it’s done in kpop all the time. sure they’re not a “dance group”, but part of kpop’s entire thing is dancing and amazing performances. they knew what they were singing up for becoming trainees. there’s really no excuse for them to have *this* little stage presence and energy. i’m honestly surprised SM debuted them and didn’t train them for a couple more years.
I feel like they should have the same level energy (hopefully Ningning's) as they only have 4 members. Idk, I feel like when I watch them I feel the lack of energy as a whole 😔 I mean the song has many highlights, especially Giselle's headbangers part, that I feel should've portrayed with more energy. I understand Winter's personality is more like a quiet type but I feel like she should have more energy than just doung lock dance. For a 4 member group, I think they can permit just one lacking energy but with 2... the group looks dull in performance without camera effects 😔😔😔 Please please I hope you improve, I'm a fan since day 1 but it frustrates me to see such performances ☹️
Winter is the one with least energy and it frustrates me very much sometimes while Giselle may lack it sometimes but usually her attitude on stage makes up for it for me. I must say in terms of expressions both are best in group. Karina is best at controlling expressions, energy and dance moves but few times it looks boring. Ningning is best energywise that's why people notice her first but i feel she lacks in expression department. Her face always looks like she is too concentrated on performing rather enjoying like Giselle or Winter
@@vaanshichauhan9868 yeah I agree with Ningning's expression, like she's really focused. Also yes Giselle's expressions looks a good during her parts. I think though Winter should have more expressions, I feel like she thinks that having a straight face as their songs are girl crush is good but I think she should move her brows or maybe mouth a bit more to show what she's singing. Overall I think they should enjoy the stage, I think they're pressured by the popularity and antis they have and so I hope SM can train them to enjoy the stage, be more free in their dance and freestyle movements during rap etc. The girls can do it, they're very very talented!
i think winter is very focused and good but her style of dancing is just more stoic like her. Shes sharp it's just a stylistic choice. I don't think all idols should have intense facial reactions, i like watching winter because i can feel her intensity without doing too much like a lot of idols wink everyone 3 seconds. My fav is ningning and winter because they're different.
they really just look amazing AS A WHOLE when they're singing live. like they give more energy when they're really singing and that's been like their one problem ever since. they don't like lip syncing and that makes the girlies energy down but I wish the girls understands that even if they're lip syncing or not singing at all like this studio choom thing they should still give their best huhu especially when they got a lot of haters when it comes to stage presence or dancing... i understand that they want to sing live cuz that's what they do but in this case where they have to dance without singing at all, just dancing, I want them to still be happy or enthusiastic abt it :(
@@rembeadelgado5356 I see what you mean ! They do lip sync most of the time which I don’t mind butttt I’d rather see more pop in them! I think out of everyone nignning does the best in performing. So I understand what you mean ! I know winter is a very sharp dancer but doesn’t have much Expresjson which I like. Well for now I’m enjoying them as a whole and of course they can dance more while lip syncing as well !
@@morsree4926 THISS, literally other members are wearing flats + lighter shoes but she somehow is able to give the most energy. maybe aespa were tired in this performance? idk i just can’t wait for them to get better :DD
Yeah this really just shows how much work they need to put into their dancing and stage presence. It looks like the choreo has been greatly simplified from the OG., and they’re putting in 20% of the required energy.
I will start this comment by saying I like aespa. I think girls are lovely and talented. However, I feel like SM is demanding too much from them dance-wise. None of these girls are skilled enough in dancing to pull off such choreography. Or they didn't have enough time to practice for some reason, because this choreography clearly relies on precision and sharp movement and girls lack it. They lack the energy and confidence and it shows. The "they focus on singing" won't work here because they don't even sing live. The "the outfits limit them" is also far-fetched because they lack energy in every performance and you won't convince me all of their outfits are limiting their movements. This choreography is for professional dancers or idol groups with actual professional dancers, it's not for singers.
I thought it was a pretty interesting move on SM’s part to give them a dance break when they’re already criticized plenty when singing and dancing. Maybe they thought it’d be their chance to prove haters wrong? Either way it doesn’t seem to have worked and now they’re getting hated on even more :(
right, so isn't this the same group who did black mamba pretty damn well? i'm no professional, i do have experience dancing self-taught and in a studio and all i've got to say is that putting more energy into a move is not a professional dancer thing; that's just part of conveying energy, which is a rather basic part of dancing karina honestly seems like she has a bit of finesse that could have been really cool to see, giselle really needs to focus up on precision and energy, she seems out of place with a rather light, twice-y expressions-first dancing that doesn't compliment the song (i really wonder what she'd do in a cutesy concept)
@@Neo-qt1lc The difference between Black Mamba and Girls is noticeable... like the comment said, maybe its a lack of practice, because we can see a lack of precision and coordination between the members in many parts. It's understandable since BM was their debut song and they would have practiced it a lot. The issue is that being idols they will have to get used to learning many new choreography in a very short time. And it would be good that if they still don't know the choreography completely, they show a little more individual charisma, this time it was a very timid dance. I have faith in them.
Quite accurate..i kinda think sm sometime are just too demanding with them.. considering that they have this one particular inexperience@weak dancer.. somewhat,the lineups couldve been better with the former trainee as the main dancer and karina or maybe winter could be a lead dancer..ning ning doing just fine ..but, without giselle,they gonna have lackluster in their rap..i wish Giselle position could be someone who can do both.. especially that they lack the performance/stage presence aspect
Karina did well on her parts, Winter "Hold Up" part would be much better if she did same the way the choreographer executes it with more energy and fierce moves.
I'm a dancer in college and also have been in competitions so pls don't think this as hate but more of a teaching moment. As a four-member group the attention is going to be on each of them, so they need to fill the stage with presence. Presence is basically a job to make sure that the audience gets the whole vibe of the song and how you are going to portray it. I heard from a fan of aespa that the girls said they want to focus on their own energy or style of preforming which is not a good idea. As a group, they have to be on the same level and to make sure they are in sync. which in this case they look a bit messy and, in my opinion, it's hard to see what they are trying to do because to the lack of energy or power. Facials play a huge part in performing especially when you are the center. Almost all of them don't have facials. People say Ning Ning does the most facials, but she still doesn't to me. It looks like she is having a staring contest with that camera same thing with Winter. I personally think Giselle has the most facials, but she still lacks dancing skill which is totally fine there is plenty of room to grow as a dancer. For Karina, she looks like she knows what to do, but she limits herself, same thing with winter they both have potential to have so much presence on stage, but they chose to focus on the camera instead of the audience. Even though it's an online performance at least pretend there is people Infront of you. Also, even though they both are experienced in dancing the other two (Ning Ning and Giselle) have the most presence to me especially at Coachella. thanks for reading my point of view:)
Thank you for this... Winter and Karina have the best dancing but ningselle are the best in facial expressions even tho giselle expressions sometimes could off concept but it's better than just staring at the camera with blank face
I don't want to blaspheme, but their stage performances and movements become very relaxed and powerless after the next level comes out. It's a shame that such a good choreo becomes so meaningless when they dance it, they need a lot of power for the choreo but they seem to only move their bodies. or because it's the choreo that doesn't suit them, it's a shame even though I was looking forward to something bigger when black mamba came out. sorry if these words offend the fans but i just want to speak up and want them to be better in the future, i know they have worked very hard but i think they need more hard work 🤝
Honestly I'm not a fan of the execution by aespa. It's not only lack of energy but synchronization is not on point and they miss the vibe the music represents. Facial expressions are not aligning with the concept. Overall the performance is weak and a bit chaotic. But that's just how I see it.
The choreography is actually great when put together. The problem is how Aespa dance to the choreography with the lack of power and energy which makes it less appealing. I was drawn to the choreographers more than Aespa which is sad. It's understandable though since they're also singing that's why they can't give it their all. Ningning for me is somehow the closest one on nailing the choreo.
agree, esp on Hold Up part by Winter, the dancer did it much better w/ swag & energy. I think only Lisa among female idols can give justice to a choreo the way the choreographer do it, no wonder she is really on top among all. Karina though did well on her part esp in their MV.
@@sumysim3245 so true 💯 i think ten and taeyong from nct can dance like choreographers. naturally, kahi from after school too as she used to be backup dancer. hyoyeon from girls' generation too.
@@dazzlingmichael6855 agreed. I'm not a fan of blackpink, but i have to admit lisa is definitely one of the few idols i know who can dance with the same precision as the professional dancers. i think it's because she is a natural born dancer. even with itzy whom we all know are great in dancing, their moves seem lousy when compared to professional dancers. and yes, karina did really well. she didn't dance the exact same way with the choreographers, but she was the closest.
Tbh I don't really think Aespa's dance is really bad, just that they're more focused on that "elegant" and "looking pretty" part, which might not work for this song and didn't capture the original choreo perfectly.
Aespa is one of my bias groups but it's not just energy that's lacking . . . you just have to be a really good dancer to pull off this dance lol. I'm no JYP Stan but ITZY and Nmixx's dance line would have probably done this justice.
I guess another factor why the dance wasn't on par with the drafts (aside from the obvious they need to sing) is that their stage outfits are also restricting their movements. I can't help but notice that difference on 2:59 where the dancers are more bent down at the knees while the girls aren't as much because of their skirts. For choreos that require a lot of leg work and angles like this one, I feel like SM should've accounted for this and let the girls wear more comfortable outfits. It sucks when Karina (obviously their best dancer) can do so much more but isn't allowed by her outfit.
As someone who has danced in short skirts millions of times - that's what the safety shorts are for. Unless it's physically restricting you (fabric doesn't stretch at all), this is not an excuse when it's your literal job to dance.
I really like the choreography by Rie Hata, I am glad they used a lot of it. First thing I noticed when I watched it is when aespa did it, they lost the jumpiness which I find interesting. I think that is a good addition because it doesn't fit the entire final choreograpohy and they would also have to sing + the outfits they will wear on stage will differ (and mostly hard to move in them). It does look like it lost energy or power, but as I got to listen more to the song I felt that it's actually really great. The lack of jumpiness fit the more slower background of the song.
aespa's concept is techy and instrumental which needs precise,rigorous and edgy dance moves yet from the debut song it doesn't suit them, expressionless face doesnt mean they can get away with it, some newly debuted girls with same music concept done better than them, they need more training and experience
If only the camera is steady, then the final choreo is great. But since they did a lot of camera movements, the choreo became an understatement. I can also see that the girls can not bend as low as the choreo from Rie due to their costumes.
Sometimes the camera makes it look better, (like when they’re out of sync but you can only see one or two people so it’s less obvious) but other times it definitely adds to the choppy effect.
The demo one is so dynamic, i dont understand why aespa didn't do the same energy, think its just gonna be hard to dance w that energy while singing at the same time.. but u know.. the difference is too much, pluss they even barely sang live :") imo the girls need to be AT LEEEAST more dynamic in levels (high middle and low level) so that the dance doesn't look too much robotic
aespa really doesn't dance as a group. it's like each has her own world when dancing. they're only four yet they're barely synchronized not to mention the low energy. seventeen is shaking.
I love aespa but it’s so hard to see them put nothing into lee bada’s choreography. To me it feels so obvious that she was posing as one of those female martial artist characters in fighting games. Not getting the hopping right or not being as snappy is forgivable, but they didn’t raise their knees remotely high enough which is what ruined it the most imo. They also could have done w fiercer expressions or the quick head tilt.
i noticed that aespa doesn't really fill up space as much as the drafts, but maybe it just looks that way because of the distance of the camera, and they don't use levels that much. most of aespa's choreography is executed while they're standing fully, or almost fully, straight with a few moves being down on the ground. obviously i know their movement is kind of restricted because of the outfits they're put in, but i think the styling shouldn't even include tight skirts and pants if the girls are supposed to be dancing to this powerful song. the rie hata drafts stood out to me alot, they included torso isolations(?) that matched up with the beat and used levels to draw focus to the member that was singing and played around with their usage of their space, but the other drafts also had more of a bounce to them. i also really really liked the part after the dance break where instead of fluid motions like the final, the dancers were moving their hands at like the pace of a clock ticking.
Agree, I've watched their Dreams Comes True little dance practice and they looked a lot better than those performances where they're wearing heavy dresses
i think that itzy (without lia) could pull this off really well - aespa has great vocals, sm should let them sing live and excel in what they're actually good
Is the redhead even trying 💀💀 The more i watch her the more i question her presence in this group. And what makes this funnier is that this is not a live performance where they have to sing, it's just a recorded performance and they're giving -100% throughout the whole video lmao
actually the choreography isn't that bad, it's just that Aespa lacks energy soo much. there are some parts that look cool but in fact aespa bad at execution that parts. for example at 01:16 giselle only move her hand. she should move her hips too also the dance break, the draft look really good with that energy. but aespa's seems really bland I hope they work hard for the stage presence, they are only 4 so when one looks bad it will be very noticeable especially giselle. I don't know what she was doing 😌
it’s so depressing to see how diluted the choreo gets 😭 the dancers are putting in ENERGY, while the aespa girlies are so lacklustre… they are so lacking in power and energy and PASSION… and they aren’t even in sync?? if they were giving live vocals i would understand why - but they are literally performing on studio CHOOM, they ain’t singing, so WHY AIN’T THEY DANCING?? aespa please try to do the choreo justice.. i’m begging 😔
(coming from an aespa stan) it's not that aespa is bad at dancing, its just that they're all performing the original choreography with different energy, flares, and sometimes speed. like for example: - 1:08 giselle's movements are slower and less sharp than the others' - 3:07 ningning is consistently putting more effort and energy into the movements than the others, while karina winter and giselle are more fluid. - i feel like the choreo was also WAYY too simplified to the point where it just became **boring** - 0:13 original choreographers behind "karina" dancer are much lower and in a different stance than aespa is in - 0:18 choreographers pose a lot more fluidly, while giselle karina and ningning just look somewhat stiff.. - 0:23 choreographer's legs are farther apart making footwork look more active and energetic - 1:59 spins in original choreo are completely removed, making it look dull - 2:08 bada's head movements before the signature choreo are removed (i was so sad to see this because that touch was brilliant) - 2:20 little jumps in og choreo removed **i could go on and on..** - overall i dont think it's reasonable to say this choreography is messy or aespa are bad dancers because of this execution. i don't think aespa willingly dulled down the choreo, but rather it was dulled down for them. the original choreography is also brilliant and does not deserve the hate it's received. i would like to see more energy and complex movements rather than just basic blocking in the future, but the girls have lots of time and room for improvement. i also say this knowing that aespa has already improved so much from this era - 'drama' comeback. you can clearly see there's more energy and variety of movement and its brilliant
i think it mightve just been a bad idea mixing so many together, but it wouldve actually fit the concept better if the girls had skills that would match the choreo
in the world of dancing theres no awkward (its usually the people who cant dance that says that)- my dance teacher back in 2018 now i totally know what he meant might even be thanking him for this
2:59 I noticed Karina’s right foot pivots on the heel, when everyone else’s pivots are on their feet. I definitely feel like it affects the visual cohesiveness of the dance break because of hot it changes the entire movement of her leg. No hate, just thought it was interesting
I really love aespa ever since they debuted, but I hope to see more improvements with their energy as a group next time. The song is energetic but the way they perform it is so underwhelming. I personally like Karina's energy and stage presence tho and even if Winter is the lead dancer, I don't feel like she is one this comeback. Also, Ningning relies more on her facial expression which is understable since she is the main vocalist. For Giselle, she is wonderful (she's my bias BTW) but she really needs to step up her dancing capabilities- she knows that and she admitted it herself that she is really behind from the rest of the members when it comes to dancing. I am not hating, but just pointing out the things that I've noticed. I hope this will reach them and reflect from it. A lot of fans are already pointing this out that sometimes other MY's are taking it to heart and getting offended by it. Still, I will always support aespa forever.
Improving your dance can't happen within few time especially that giselle doesn't have a good dancing background or base she'll struggle but I think one day her dance will match her energy and it'll all go good for her
@@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan Time will come. I've noticed a few improvements from her when she dances. It's just that, I find it odd since in some fancams, she dances well and her moves are more precised.
@@lala_kaorichu uhmm same she was doing good in next level but idk what happened in girls era everything was there but she seemed lost idk if this is the right expression but I always said this i feel like aespa when they perform they think too much instead of enjoying the stage and the experience and it could be because of the whole perfection culture or because they don't wanna be criticised or this is their way of being professional idk it could be anything but it always seemed like they're lost in focus sometimes I rely this on how much they move from spot to spot while dancing which makes the dance so messy especially for giselle like every 5 sec she's in different spot and the choreo doesn't help her making these transforms smooth or not off so they seem so unsync sometimes Anyways that so much talking am sorry for nagging but I hope you got what I mean
@@lala_kaorichu yess also in the zach interview giselle said without audience they already knew what they gonna do on each part so I was wondering if they really get instructions and that's why they keep focusing in offering what they were asked to give.. It made sense cos with audiences (coachella and the GMA) it was so fun like it wa sso enjoyable even without the camera work so yeah
I support aespa as a group which is exactly why I hope they improve in the choreography aspect. I really think they CAN do better especially karina. We've seen her dance before and I really think this isn't her best even while singing
Yeah, I remember Karina's dancing was so good in Black Mamba era. I just can't figure out why she's not the same anymore. Is it that the other members' dancing infected her with mediocrity?? Like the case of that other kpop group where all members are great dancers except for one sucky dancer. After a few years, the sucky member became as good dancer as the other members..
girls era was hell for them i'm glad they got spicy choreography, it fits them so well. And to make it fair, they did the girls choreo well in their recent concerts and tours so yea
This proves how aespa is just pure and utter…you fill it in. Jesus fucking Christ. Giselle most especially. That one, whew. I still can’t understand how they’re idols!!!
Hay una gran diferencia espero las chicas de Aespa pulan más si baile . En la parte 2:57 esa parte era para que pulan más el baile con más fuerza ahí era para explotarlo más pero esperemos que las críticas sean un medio para que las chicas se superen más a si mismas , claro críticas de recomendación en que mejorar no críticas destructivas , ella lo hacen bien pero la idea es que lo hagan genial , el mejor deseo a las chicas y logren superarse más.
I wish they let aespa move more freely in their dance, it's such a fun choreo it could be so powerful but they look like they're barely moving. I'm not a dancer but even just the simple body rolls at 0:30 really change the power of the dance I don't understand what reason they would have to purposefully NOT do it properly? I also don't really see any strong facial expressions from them and that doesn't make sense either because it's such a powerful song why would you not?
this is why you should find a suitable choreography for your idols!! poor girlies got so much hate for the execution when we all know they can dance well in a different style. they need kyle hanagami back!!
🤷🏽♀️ To be honest it's not like the difference is very little , there's a major lack of skills in general that's why even the people who don't dance as often can point them out..
Umm y'all need to stop comparing Choreographers and idols, like if your expectations are that high then it's kinda ridiculous. Have you ever heard if the demo of the songs, then you'd say 'woah they can't sing they ruined it' come on of course the drafts would be master level cuz they are literally the ones who are creating these and they have been doing this for a long time. Dance and choreography is literally their profession and passion. Y'all need to chill out. This is a issue these days. The same problem with when y'all compare models with idols, hiw much do you guys want them to be? Everyone does their part well ok? You can't just say ifols look better in the dresses than the models, bruh do y'all even realize what y'all are saying? Please respect all these people who are working hard, it's disrespectful towards the idols as well as the dancers and models. I'm so disappointed at the kack of understanding and empathy. Same way y'all are gonna say a choreographer is a bad dancer if another idol aces his choreo, or gonna shade on a idol if their ramp walk suck..... Come on people grow up.....
If Æspa was putting less energy in their performances so they can have breath to sing I would understand but they never sing live. There are too much things that are wrong in their stages and the main problems are stage presence and synchronization. If you’re not going to be synchronized because you prefer showing individuals skills and techniques at least have the best stage presence. I love Æspa a lot, their concept, I also like Ningning a lot but one thing that doesn’t make me want to stan is the lack of efforts. Come on, you’re a SM girlsgroup. Prove it and show us you actually want to be idols!
@@cristiebell4584 I can only recall them being live at Coachella and a performance in Japan. {I can be wrong here.} Other than that , pre-recorded vocals.
okay well- the dance only looks good when performed by professional dancers, who don't need to save breath to sing. Anyone (not just aespa) who has to sing and do this dance make the dances short, small but hard hitting moves look jerky and weird. Whereas on the left you can see what they looked like executed to their full potential.
Aespa weren't singing in this video though. All the groups who do performances for Studio Choom lip sync because the whole point of the channel is to showcase the choreography.
Considering they rarely sing live, why bother with having someone stand to lip sync a high note at times like 3:14 and 3:31, when they could just have the original choreo which looks better?
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For me, aespa's weakness comes from their energy incosistencies and "unsynkness". The moves when focused on seem very individualistic. Each member is doing it differently, with each having different positioning, energy, and posture. You can't see that in the demo versions. While individuality is not necessarily a bad thing, it's bad when each member is different everywhere. For instance, Karina has good power in her moves, especially so with the most energy-intensive ones. But in slow parts, she falls off a bit. She looks uninteresting. To mitigate this, she could use some more tension, but most often than not she stays in her energy level. She uses that energy well but it's sometimes inappropriate. Her body language and her facial expressions are good but they could be better if she extends a bit more. For Ningning, she is definitely focused and uses some level of head movement and facial expression. What she lacks is precision. She sometimes is late or sometimes inaccurate in her moves. Winter is accurate with most of her moves but she lacks a bunch of energy. While there are good body lines, she fails when she does not extend enough. Her energy issues, facial expressions, head movement, and body language all coalesce into this feel of dancing with individual precision with no definition. Lastly, Giselle. Giselle is remarkable in certain moves but like Winter, she lacks energy and general presence. She's fluid, and seldomly not. In dancing, you need to switch between energy types based on the music and its lyrics. She employs her moves in a consistent way, but that way does not necessarily fit a lot of the time.
Why did I imagine this as a anime as you talk strategy or observing 😅
this explains it really well. i always thought that the aespa members were a bit off when it comes to dance but i never knew how to explain it
the awkward choreo doesn't do them any justice either
They said they don't focus anymore on synchronisation since Savage. They went with their own styles and energy's.
@@nabi_core yeah well not every decision they make is a good one. i am genuinely not saying this to spread hate, but at the moment they're not good enough dancers to be focusing on individuality like that. their 'girls' and 'illusion' stages genuinely looked so strange and off
This might sounds offensive, but dang the drafts are so powerful. I know aespa is talented, but seeing this comparison, I can't help but compare the energy from both of the videos, and aespa lack the energy and the 'fight' vibes of the song. Well yeah, the dancers will be always have more power and the idols will adjust the choreo to their song, and subtle down the moves. I still wait for the day they perform with better energy and expression. I want them to enjoy the stage more, and I hope that the girls are healthy and well.
Its for the sake of live performance. So that if ever they need to perform live they don’t necessarily need to pause just to sing. Also idols focus on giving faces as well. It needs to look cinematic like
@@blallalaksksks6885 I kinda agree, it's for the sake of aesthetic and cleanness
i can see why you're offended since the girls don't give out that much energy but it's for the particular reasons as the person above mentioned and also because you're comparing the demo and aespa dancing to different clothing. one cannot give out much energy that you want them to radiate because look at the difference in the clothing, one has comfortable and the other has accessories and clothings that could tear off or are heavy for them to dance well. They could be overworked too, it's not the same when you're an idol and a dancer. The professional dancers don't even sing but have to give their best for the dance steps they make for the girls. Anyways have a good day/night
@@yukisicetea3533 for the clothing I just saw red velvet live (live rookie, or crazy costume zimzalabim) perfomance I just think aespa can put more little energy if the want to secure the costume. I get that they are maybe tired, or maybe not motivated but it's their job. So yeah that's just my opinion
@@blallalaksksks6885 yeah but aespa rarely sing live and they're not exactly known for their facial expressions either so what exactly are they focusing on? their live stages are so disappointing even without comparing it to the demos. other kpop groups often aren't as powerful as their demos either, but at least they do justice to the dance in their own way. this dance was a little weird to begin with but aespa make it look extra underwhelming and awkward. i love aespa, they're one of the only kpop groups i still take an interest in, but they seriously need dance training and i have no idea why they're not getting it since all of sm's male idols are clearly trained properly. the problem with their gg dance training was honestly evident starting from RV but at least they had the energy to make up for it, and members like Wendy improved a lot over the years
I’ve always thought the choreography at the chorus (the highlight) is a bit awkward and bland. But when I watched the demo version…damn that’s actually good and fit the song well. I wished aespa did it with more energy like the dancers 😭
No its actually all about the angle if you watch the demo far and no movement it would probably look awkward aswell because when aespa's doing the choreo with the camera angle and movement it doesnt look bad or awkward.
@@kyungsushi7018 im sorry but aespa looks bad when they do it in all angles
@@kyungsushi7018 They don't even bother to Emphasize details in the choreo anymore. Most of the choreo in Girls look awkward bc of this.
They also put their lifted knees in front of their bodies, in a 45 degree angle, making them look like they are about to pee themselves. In the original, the knees were just lifted right before the hip, and that looks way better.
True. The dancers did it with soo much charisma and so much HIP. I was about to say "but they need to sing too" but realized the video they were in was lip syncing
Rie Hata was the better version up until Ningning’s bridge part. She just did it so gracefully and fluidly and it’s unmatched.
2:36
in her high heels!!
What I find amazing is that Rie's choreo fluidity is unmatched but when Aespa executes it, the vibe is so different since it's sharper and less groovy.
1:35 I’ve never seen anyone who covered Girls did this move as smooth as Ningning and that dancer
Facts!
and the fact that ningning did it with a very high platforms/heels!
She made the cheography so ofc she knows how to do the move lol
@@xhstan what is your point then? 😆
yes, that was my fav part it's on the next level...
Rie Hata is really good for this song. I know why SM choose these part.
Since this song came out I’ve been thinking this was some of the worst choreography I’ve seen in a while but thanks to this video I now realize the choreography itself is actually good it’s just the execution that makes it lose all its power and uniqueness. Sorry choreographers!
Exactly cause seeing it on the choreographers look so much better
It's not the even girls it's the concept, only winter fits that and she is still out of her element here.
And honestly the choreo is not great either way, sorry that chorus repetition was lame and the break is very anticlimactic
This lol especially the chorus and last parts
I think it has to do with their costume and the concept of their visuals. Look at aespa's costume in studio choom, it is not designed for intense execution like the choreographer. Their costume speaks of elegance and 'stay pretty' aura. So yeah
it's just that it's hard to be in a performance, lift one leg, jump with the support leg and bounce, while you're singing. Someone is likely to fall.
Ningning’s energy is closest to the professional dancers
And yet people hate her😢
Thats What i was thinking too. Winter and Karina are pretty accurate with the moves but Ning just brings a certain swag and looseness along with sexiness, I’m absolutely obsessed with her
@@chaeberry5124 i just wonder! It’s so unfair. She totally deserves all the love.
karina's been my bias since i discovered aespa but this comeback i just cannot take my eyes off ningning!! she's also always wearing much higher platform shoes than the other members so i think it's so impressive how she has the best energy, she deserves soooo much more attention!!!
@@kyupin1075 fr
I understand that idols have to adjust choreo in order to sing comfortably and perform with less energy in some hard singing moments, but the difference in energy between drafts and aespa version is tremendous... One of the reasons why energy is lacking is, maybe, uncomfortable and tight outfits - girls couldn't move freely in them. Anyways, they could have given us more. The song is still a bop tho
no hating but they dont sing live most of the time. And the person should use dance practice video of aespa instead of a video perfomance, where they always have uncomfortable clothes, speacially ningning boots.
Ning skirt and high boots like that should be uncomfortable really
I agree. I compare these performance videos to their practice ones and you can see their moves are more free flowing and powerful with comfy tracks on
ning ning has a skirt on and she still did her best unlike the other members
@@happytobehere4752 esp miss gigi
Rie hata seriously snapped with this choreography. Literally got a majority of the song.
1:19 Rie Hata's dancers isolations here are crazy. It's incredible how they move just their leg without moving the rest of their body at all.
for a group who doesnt even sing live that much, you would expect more energy in their dance. aespa almost did no justice to the original choreo :(( it's like ningning is the only one who actually tries.
karina was killing it too idk why everyone tends to ignore her dancing skills
ningning legit only moves her hair around, i think all 3 (ningning winter & karina) did a bit justice to the dance, gisele still needs more work she keeps falling behind especially when she forgets the moves
I would 10000% give them a pass if they singed live. The fact that they never sing live, not even encores, and then go ahead and lack any energy and refuse to move their faces in any expression makes me angry, tbh.
@@EverythingxYourexNot “they never sing live” they literally sang live in SO MANY stages tf r u on? y’all are dragging it atp
@@xaerinas her moves are clean and accurate, but she's quite a bland performer. well, at least thats what i think.
the way they know which part to include that makes the whole choreo amazing
People in the comments are saying aespa dance with less power due to having to focus on other aspects but what exactly? They haven't sung live on a korean show since debut
This, can they just accept the fact.
most choreographies are toned down in order to allow idols to sing / make a believable lip sync. i personally don't mind them dancing with less power, as they've never marketed themselves as a dance group. they are more of a vocal group and while they haven't sung live on a korean show (yet), i don't mind their lip sync. ningning and winter are having high notes battles in every song, and having to perform those same high notes every other day for a period of 2 weeks or more could be very damaging for their vocal cords. sm is kinda known for doing this
They lack expresions and stage presence... They aren't even trying I hate their performances even when some of their song are heavenly good...
@@aeri412 yeah sure a lot of choreographies are toned down in their final versions, but the majority of kpop idols still deliver ten times more energy than this. and if they’re lip-synching, that usually allows them to put more into the dance. in this video, they’re not even supposed to be singing or believably lip-synching, it’s *just* about the dance and performance, but they have the same low energy levels. the choreographers dancing shows just how much better the whole thing would look if they put more into it. i mean look at ITZY, they’re only 5 members but their choreographies are difficult and fun to watch, and their stage presence is through the roof. they even have sang live a bunch of times despite the difficult choreos and they pull it off. aespa could sing most of the song live but then have backtrack for the more vocally straining parts, it wouldn’t be that hard and it’s done in kpop all the time. sure they’re not a “dance group”, but part of kpop’s entire thing is dancing and amazing performances. they knew what they were singing up for becoming trainees. there’s really no excuse for them to have *this* little stage presence and energy. i’m honestly surprised SM debuted them and didn’t train them for a couple more years.
I thought they started singing live, but I agree with you.
I feel like they should have the same level energy (hopefully Ningning's) as they only have 4 members. Idk, I feel like when I watch them I feel the lack of energy as a whole 😔 I mean the song has many highlights, especially Giselle's headbangers part, that I feel should've portrayed with more energy. I understand Winter's personality is more like a quiet type but I feel like she should have more energy than just doung lock dance. For a 4 member group, I think they can permit just one lacking energy but with 2... the group looks dull in performance without camera effects 😔😔😔 Please please I hope you improve, I'm a fan since day 1 but it frustrates me to see such performances ☹️
Winter is the one with least energy and it frustrates me very much sometimes while Giselle may lack it sometimes but usually her attitude on stage makes up for it for me. I must say in terms of expressions both are best in group. Karina is best at controlling expressions, energy and dance moves but few times it looks boring. Ningning is best energywise that's why people notice her first but i feel she lacks in expression department. Her face always looks like she is too concentrated on performing rather enjoying like Giselle or Winter
@@vaanshichauhan9868 yeah I agree with Ningning's expression, like she's really focused. Also yes Giselle's expressions looks a good during her parts. I think though Winter should have more expressions, I feel like she thinks that having a straight face as their songs are girl crush is good but I think she should move her brows or maybe mouth a bit more to show what she's singing. Overall I think they should enjoy the stage, I think they're pressured by the popularity and antis they have and so I hope SM can train them to enjoy the stage, be more free in their dance and freestyle movements during rap etc. The girls can do it, they're very very talented!
i think winter is very focused and good but her style of dancing is just more stoic like her. Shes sharp it's just a stylistic choice. I don't think all idols should have intense facial reactions, i like watching winter because i can feel her intensity without doing too much like a lot of idols wink everyone 3 seconds. My fav is ningning and winter because they're different.
they really just look amazing AS A WHOLE when they're singing live. like they give more energy when they're really singing and that's been like their one problem ever since. they don't like lip syncing and that makes the girlies energy down but I wish the girls understands that even if they're lip syncing or not singing at all like this studio choom thing they should still give their best huhu especially when they got a lot of haters when it comes to stage presence or dancing... i understand that they want to sing live cuz that's what they do but in this case where they have to dance without singing at all, just dancing, I want them to still be happy or enthusiastic abt it :(
@@rembeadelgado5356 I see what you mean ! They do lip sync most of the time which I don’t mind butttt I’d rather see more pop in them! I think out of everyone nignning does the best in performing. So I understand what you mean ! I know winter is a very sharp dancer but doesn’t have much Expresjson which I like. Well for now I’m enjoying them as a whole and of course they can dance more while lip syncing as well !
The fact that Ningning has the highest heels... Yet is the most energetic.
Dancing in platform boots isn't all that difficult. The actual height of the heel isn't much taller than the front of the shoe.
@@maddyrevenge its heavy. It would not be difficult if she wear flat boots or if she wear a sneaker like those demo dancers.
@@morsree4926 THISS, literally other members are wearing flats + lighter shoes but she somehow is able to give the most energy. maybe aespa were tired in this performance? idk i just can’t wait for them to get better :DD
@@maddyrevenge umm mk
Yeah this really just shows how much work they need to put into their dancing and stage presence. It looks like the choreo has been greatly simplified from the OG., and they’re putting in 20% of the required energy.
I will start this comment by saying I like aespa. I think girls are lovely and talented. However, I feel like SM is demanding too much from them dance-wise. None of these girls are skilled enough in dancing to pull off such choreography. Or they didn't have enough time to practice for some reason, because this choreography clearly relies on precision and sharp movement and girls lack it. They lack the energy and confidence and it shows. The "they focus on singing" won't work here because they don't even sing live. The "the outfits limit them" is also far-fetched because they lack energy in every performance and you won't convince me all of their outfits are limiting their movements.
This choreography is for professional dancers or idol groups with actual professional dancers, it's not for singers.
I thought it was a pretty interesting move on SM’s part to give them a dance break when they’re already criticized plenty when singing and dancing. Maybe they thought it’d be their chance to prove haters wrong? Either way it doesn’t seem to have worked and now they’re getting hated on even more :(
right, so isn't this the same group who did black mamba pretty damn well?
i'm no professional, i do have experience dancing self-taught and in a studio and all i've got to say is that putting more energy into a move is not a professional dancer thing; that's just part of conveying energy, which is a rather basic part of dancing
karina honestly seems like she has a bit of finesse that could have been really cool to see, giselle really needs to focus up on precision and energy, she seems out of place with a rather light, twice-y expressions-first dancing that doesn't compliment the song (i really wonder what she'd do in a cutesy concept)
exactly not even karina is that good , they couldve added a really good dancer to the group or just trained them longer
@@Neo-qt1lc The difference between Black Mamba and Girls is noticeable... like the comment said, maybe its a lack of practice, because we can see a lack of precision and coordination between the members in many parts. It's understandable since BM was their debut song and they would have practiced it a lot. The issue is that being idols they will have to get used to learning many new choreography in a very short time. And it would be good that if they still don't know the choreography completely, they show a little more individual charisma, this time it was a very timid dance. I have faith in them.
Quite accurate..i kinda think sm sometime are just too demanding with them.. considering that they have this one particular inexperience@weak dancer.. somewhat,the lineups couldve been better with the former trainee as the main dancer and karina or maybe winter could be a lead dancer..ning ning doing just fine ..but, without giselle,they gonna have lackluster in their rap..i wish Giselle position could be someone who can do both.. especially that they lack the performance/stage presence aspect
Now I know why I always thought Ningning’s the main dancer, its because of her energy in executing the steps.
The choreography actually looks so cool.
I love the move at 1:08 and I didn’t even notice it was in the Choreo cause Aespa does it so plain it loses any power it had.
I thought the choreo was boring but NO is just the energy difference smh
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These types of videos are always super interesting and helpful for me; thanks! ^_^
2:56 Essa parte é MUITO MUITO foda, e o aespa simplesmente desperdiçou
Cierto
Karina did well on her parts, Winter "Hold Up" part would be much better if she did same the way the choreographer executes it with more energy and fierce moves.
Same I think winter is a really good dancer but she lacks energy
I think it's the concept, since all of them dance more robotic movements
@@ikaru5089 not really, in this song they are fighting the Black Mamba, energy levels especially on the dance break should be high but still decent
@@ikaru5089 This song is very powerful, they have to dance powerfully too.
@@ikaru5089 stop using that dry excuse
I'm a dancer in college and also have been in competitions so pls don't think this as hate but more of a teaching moment.
As a four-member group the attention is going to be on each of them, so they need to fill the stage with presence. Presence is basically a job to make sure that the audience gets the whole vibe of the song and how you are going to portray it.
I heard from a fan of aespa that the girls said they want to focus on their own energy or style of preforming which is not a good idea. As a group, they have to be on the same level and to make sure they are in sync. which in this case they look a bit messy and, in my opinion, it's hard to see what they are trying to do because to the lack of energy or power. Facials play a huge part in performing especially when you are the center. Almost all of them don't have facials. People say Ning Ning does the most facials, but she still doesn't to me. It looks like she is having a staring contest with that camera same thing with Winter. I personally think Giselle has the most facials, but she still lacks dancing skill which is totally fine there is plenty of room to grow as a dancer.
For Karina, she looks like she knows what to do, but she limits herself, same thing with winter they both have potential to have so much presence on stage, but they chose to focus on the camera instead of the audience. Even though it's an online performance at least pretend there is people Infront of you. Also, even though they both are experienced in dancing the other two (Ning Ning and Giselle) have the most presence to me especially at Coachella.
thanks for reading my point of view:)
This is the most accurate explanation far
Thank you for your explanation 👏🏻 we want more specific critics like this so we will know where we want them to improve.
Thank you for this... Winter and Karina have the best dancing but ningselle are the best in facial expressions even tho giselle expressions sometimes could off concept but it's better than just staring at the camera with blank face
Thank you for your honest criticism. I do agree with most of what you commented
UR SO REAL FOR THIS
i wished they had more energy, a better execution on the moves, and dance in sync with each other! i hope they improve more in the future!
Yoonyoung Kwak's dance break was TOO GOOD
I don't want to blaspheme, but their stage performances and movements become very relaxed and powerless after the next level comes out. It's a shame that such a good choreo becomes so meaningless when they dance it, they need a lot of power for the choreo but they seem to only move their bodies. or because it's the choreo that doesn't suit them, it's a shame even though I was looking forward to something bigger when black mamba came out. sorry if these words offend the fans but i just want to speak up and want them to be better in the future, i know they have worked very hard but i think they need more hard work 🤝
Honestly I'm not a fan of the execution by aespa. It's not only lack of energy but synchronization is not on point and they miss the vibe the music represents. Facial expressions are not aligning with the concept. Overall the performance is weak and a bit chaotic. But that's just how I see it.
I totally agree. I may even go as far as not understanding why they debuted Giselle. I don’t think she’s ready yet.
all the parts that stood out to me from the choreo were from yoonyoung kwak :o i have to check them out now (dance break + last parts of chorus)
god bless yoonyoung kwak, bengal, and redlic han for making the best dance break of the year
The choreography is actually great when put together. The problem is how Aespa dance to the choreography with the lack of power and energy which makes it less appealing. I was drawn to the choreographers more than Aespa which is sad. It's understandable though since they're also singing that's why they can't give it their all. Ningning for me is somehow the closest one on nailing the choreo.
Bengal’s small part in the dance break came out to be the most iconic
Comparing idols to real dancers is crazy the difference😧
yes, the difference is really big. but professional dancers are on another level, meanwhile idols have to sing and dance.
@@mimosapudica5160 Yeah they're on another level, only a few idols are in the range close to a professional level, but not even close.
agree, esp on Hold Up part by Winter, the dancer did it much better w/ swag & energy. I think only Lisa among female idols can give justice to a choreo the way the choreographer do it, no wonder she is really on top among all. Karina though did well on her part esp in their MV.
@@sumysim3245 so true 💯 i think ten and taeyong from nct can dance like choreographers. naturally, kahi from after school too as she used to be backup dancer. hyoyeon from girls' generation too.
@@dazzlingmichael6855 agreed. I'm not a fan of blackpink, but i have to admit lisa is definitely one of the few idols i know who can dance with the same precision as the professional dancers. i think it's because she is a natural born dancer. even with itzy whom we all know are great in dancing, their moves seem lousy when compared to professional dancers. and yes, karina did really well. she didn't dance the exact same way with the choreographers, but she was the closest.
Basically the choreography is a combination of all 6 videos.
Congratulations to Bada Lee for coming with the catchy chore movement.
please make "feel my rhytm" version
1:35 I was wondering why this looks so familiar and i realize they dressed similar to cholas and it’s v similar to wepa and crip walks 💀
thank you. this is what i need
Tbh I don't really think Aespa's dance is really bad, just that they're more focused on that "elegant" and "looking pretty" part, which might not work for this song and didn't capture the original choreo perfectly.
Aespa is one of my bias groups but it's not just energy that's lacking . . . you just have to be a really good dancer to pull off this dance lol. I'm no JYP Stan but ITZY and Nmixx's dance line would have probably done this justice.
Of course, they are..even the vocal lines are good and so smooth with their dance
NMIXX WOULDVE NAILED
I guess another factor why the dance wasn't on par with the drafts (aside from the obvious they need to sing) is that their stage outfits are also restricting their movements. I can't help but notice that difference on 2:59 where the dancers are more bent down at the knees while the girls aren't as much because of their skirts. For choreos that require a lot of leg work and angles like this one, I feel like SM should've accounted for this and let the girls wear more comfortable outfits. It sucks when Karina (obviously their best dancer) can do so much more but isn't allowed by her outfit.
As someone who has danced in short skirts millions of times - that's what the safety shorts are for. Unless it's physically restricting you (fabric doesn't stretch at all), this is not an excuse when it's your literal job to dance.
3:13 the difference lmao
I really like the choreography by Rie Hata, I am glad they used a lot of it. First thing I noticed when I watched it is when aespa did it, they lost the jumpiness which I find interesting. I think that is a good addition because it doesn't fit the entire final choreograpohy and they would also have to sing + the outfits they will wear on stage will differ (and mostly hard to move in them). It does look like it lost energy or power, but as I got to listen more to the song I felt that it's actually really great. The lack of jumpiness fit the more slower background of the song.
aespa's concept is techy and instrumental which needs precise,rigorous and edgy dance moves yet from the debut song it doesn't suit them, expressionless face doesnt mean they can get away with it, some newly debuted girls with same music concept done better than them, they need more training and experience
RIE HATA WINS
If only the camera is steady, then the final choreo is great. But since they did a lot of camera movements, the choreo became an understatement. I can also see that the girls can not bend as low as the choreo from Rie due to their costumes.
Sometimes the camera makes it look better, (like when they’re out of sync but you can only see one or two people so it’s less obvious) but other times it definitely adds to the choppy effect.
The demo one is so dynamic, i dont understand why aespa didn't do the same energy, think its just gonna be hard to dance w that energy while singing at the same time.. but u know.. the difference is too much, pluss they even barely sang live :") imo the girls need to be AT LEEEAST more dynamic in levels (high middle and low level) so that the dance doesn't look too much robotic
aespa really doesn't dance as a group. it's like each has her own world when dancing. they're only four yet they're barely synchronized not to mention the low energy. seventeen is shaking.
I love aespa but it’s so hard to see them put nothing into lee bada’s choreography. To me it feels so obvious that she was posing as one of those female martial artist characters in fighting games. Not getting the hopping right or not being as snappy is forgivable, but they didn’t raise their knees remotely high enough which is what ruined it the most imo. They also could have done w fiercer expressions or the quick head tilt.
*BRO THE PRO DANCERS ARE HYPING ME UP WTF!?!?* 🥵🙌
They are a slay
i noticed that aespa doesn't really fill up space as much as the drafts, but maybe it just looks that way because of the distance of the camera, and they don't use levels that much. most of aespa's choreography is executed while they're standing fully, or almost fully, straight with a few moves being down on the ground. obviously i know their movement is kind of restricted because of the outfits they're put in, but i think the styling shouldn't even include tight skirts and pants if the girls are supposed to be dancing to this powerful song. the rie hata drafts stood out to me alot, they included torso isolations(?) that matched up with the beat and used levels to draw focus to the member that was singing and played around with their usage of their space, but the other drafts also had more of a bounce to them. i also really really liked the part after the dance break where instead of fluid motions like the final, the dancers were moving their hands at like the pace of a clock ticking.
If asepa outfits were only street style. I think they could have performed with more energy.
Agree, I've watched their Dreams Comes True little dance practice and they looked a lot better than those performances where they're wearing heavy dresses
i think that itzy (without lia) could pull this off really well - aespa has great vocals, sm should let them sing live and excel in what they're actually good
Ok but itzy is not in the conversation
@@lisaseokjinbts2901 yeah, i decided to brought them
NingNing deserve her flowers
Is the redhead even trying 💀💀 The more i watch her the more i question her presence in this group. And what makes this funnier is that this is not a live performance where they have to sing, it's just a recorded performance and they're giving -100% throughout the whole video lmao
Dancers and idols are so different
The energy difference 😭
actually the choreography isn't that bad, it's just that Aespa lacks energy soo much. there are some parts that look cool but in fact aespa bad at execution that parts. for example at 01:16 giselle only move her hand. she should move her hips too
also the dance break, the draft look really good with that energy. but aespa's seems really bland
I hope they work hard for the stage presence, they are only 4 so when one looks bad it will be very noticeable especially giselle. I don't know what she was doing 😌
they’re all such talented dancers and vocalists… it really hurts to see sm waste all that talent this often and this badly.
Its killing me how the dancers are bouncing their heads in the choreo but aespa are not😭😭
it’s so depressing to see how diluted the choreo gets 😭 the dancers are putting in ENERGY, while the aespa girlies are so lacklustre… they are so lacking in power and energy and PASSION… and they aren’t even in sync?? if they were giving live vocals i would understand why - but they are literally performing on studio CHOOM, they ain’t singing, so WHY AIN’T THEY DANCING?? aespa please try to do the choreo justice.. i’m begging 😔
This whole time I really could not look at aespa it looks like they’re barely moving compared to the dancers😭
(coming from an aespa stan)
it's not that aespa is bad at dancing, its just that they're all performing the original choreography with different energy, flares, and sometimes speed.
like for example:
- 1:08 giselle's movements are slower and less sharp than the others'
- 3:07 ningning is consistently putting more effort and energy into the movements than the others, while karina winter and giselle are more fluid.
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i feel like the choreo was also WAYY too simplified to the point where it just became **boring**
- 0:13 original choreographers behind "karina" dancer are much lower and in a different stance than aespa is in
- 0:18 choreographers pose a lot more fluidly, while giselle karina and ningning just look somewhat stiff..
- 0:23 choreographer's legs are farther apart making footwork look more active and energetic
- 1:59 spins in original choreo are completely removed, making it look dull
- 2:08 bada's head movements before the signature choreo are removed (i was so sad to see this because that touch was brilliant)
- 2:20 little jumps in og choreo removed
**i could go on and on..**
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overall i dont think it's reasonable to say this choreography is messy or aespa are bad dancers because of this execution. i don't think aespa willingly dulled down the choreo, but rather it was dulled down for them. the original choreography is also brilliant and does not deserve the hate it's received. i would like to see more energy and complex movements rather than just basic blocking in the future, but the girls have lots of time and room for improvement.
i also say this knowing that aespa has already improved so much from this era - 'drama' comeback. you can clearly see there's more energy and variety of movement and its brilliant
I really wish aespa would put more energy in their dancing but other than that they are a very talented group!
the dancer version just WOW
0:56 the dancers have better stage presence even with masks
😅
No one compares to bada lee 💪
i think it mightve just been a bad idea mixing so many together, but it wouldve actually fit the concept better if the girls had skills that would match the choreo
thank G there's camera work for aespa
in the world of dancing theres no awkward (its usually the people who cant dance that says that)- my dance teacher back in 2018 now i totally know what he meant might even be thanking him for this
When I saw the dance video I was like "damn this is terrible" but now I see that what's bad is aespa's performance lol
Demo uses upper body well. The torso is mobile and twists with movement while aespa keeps the torso very stiff
i feel like each member are doing different choreography,they don’t have synergy so the dance overall look weird :(
1:20 IS SO GOOD WTF THE WAY THE DANCERS DO THAT THING IDK HOW TO EXPLAIN IT
Isolations. Wanna learn it, look into popping :)
@@EverythingxYourexNot I will! Thank you :)
Sout out to yoon young kwak for his amazing dance break 😮
2:59 I noticed Karina’s right foot pivots on the heel, when everyone else’s pivots are on their feet. I definitely feel like it affects the visual cohesiveness of the dance break because of hot it changes the entire movement of her leg. No hate, just thought it was interesting
Rie choreography is just so good! It got so much structure that fits the song so much
I really love aespa ever since they debuted, but I hope to see more improvements with their energy as a group next time. The song is energetic but the way they perform it is so underwhelming. I personally like Karina's energy and stage presence tho and even if Winter is the lead dancer, I don't feel like she is one this comeback. Also, Ningning relies more on her facial expression which is understable since she is the main vocalist. For Giselle, she is wonderful (she's my bias BTW) but she really needs to step up her dancing capabilities- she knows that and she admitted it herself that she is really behind from the rest of the members when it comes to dancing.
I am not hating, but just pointing out the things that I've noticed. I hope this will reach them and reflect from it. A lot of fans are already pointing this out that sometimes other MY's are taking it to heart and getting offended by it. Still, I will always support aespa forever.
Improving your dance can't happen within few time especially that giselle doesn't have a good dancing background or base she'll struggle but I think one day her dance will match her energy and it'll all go good for her
@@AnzzCheatedOnMarkWithHaechan Time will come. I've noticed a few improvements from her when she dances. It's just that, I find it odd since in some fancams, she dances well and her moves are more precised.
@@lala_kaorichu uhmm same she was doing good in next level but idk what happened in girls era everything was there but she seemed lost idk if this is the right expression but I always said this i feel like aespa when they perform they think too much instead of enjoying the stage and the experience and it could be because of the whole perfection culture or because they don't wanna be criticised or this is their way of being professional idk it could be anything but it always seemed like they're lost in focus sometimes I rely this on how much they move from spot to spot while dancing which makes the dance so messy especially for giselle like every 5 sec she's in different spot and the choreo doesn't help her making these transforms smooth or not off so they seem so unsync sometimes
Anyways that so much talking am sorry for nagging but I hope you got what I mean
@@lala_kaorichu yess also in the zach interview giselle said without audience they already knew what they gonna do on each part so I was wondering if they really get instructions and that's why they keep focusing in offering what they were asked to give.. It made sense cos with audiences (coachella and the GMA) it was so fun like it wa sso enjoyable even without the camera work so yeah
I support aespa as a group which is exactly why I hope they improve in the choreography aspect. I really think they CAN do better especially karina. We've seen her dance before and I really think this isn't her best even while singing
Yeah, I remember Karina's dancing was so good in Black Mamba era. I just can't figure out why she's not the same anymore. Is it that the other members' dancing infected her with mediocrity?? Like the case of that other kpop group where all members are great dancers except for one sucky dancer. After a few years, the sucky member became as good dancer as the other members..
Individuality is better executed when it’s done subtly. A sense of unity and movement syncing is what makes it a group.
I couldn't stop looking at the dancers on the left
This song radiates so much energy and confidence but the girls look like they're bored
girls era was hell for them i'm glad they got spicy choreography, it fits them so well. And to make it fair, they did the girls choreo well in their recent concerts and tours so yea
Thank you for posing this!! ❤️❤️
This proves how aespa is just pure and utter…you fill it in. Jesus fucking Christ. Giselle most especially. That one, whew. I still can’t understand how they’re idols!!!
Hay una gran diferencia espero las chicas de Aespa pulan más si baile .
En la parte 2:57 esa parte era para que pulan más el baile con más fuerza ahí era para explotarlo más pero esperemos que las críticas sean un medio para que las chicas se superen más a si mismas , claro críticas de recomendación en que mejorar no críticas destructivas , ella lo hacen bien pero la idea es que lo hagan genial , el mejor deseo a las chicas y logren superarse más.
okaayyy... i didnt realize how good this choreo is
I wish they let aespa move more freely in their dance, it's such a fun choreo it could be so powerful but they look like they're barely moving. I'm not a dancer but even just the simple body rolls at 0:30 really change the power of the dance I don't understand what reason they would have to purposefully NOT do it properly? I also don't really see any strong facial expressions from them and that doesn't make sense either because it's such a powerful song why would you not?
this is why you should find a suitable choreography for your idols!! poor girlies got so much hate for the execution when we all know they can dance well in a different style. they need kyle hanagami back!!
걸스는 일어나라 그대여 안무가 ㄹㅇ 개좋음
they r so not surviving one day in queendom 3 😭😭😭
It’s funny how 1 dance video can lead to everyone becoming dance teachers and telling what’s right or wrong
😂😂😂😂
🤷🏽♀️ To be honest it's not like the difference is very little , there's a major lack of skills in general that's why even the people who don't dance as often can point them out..
Aspa’s performance is the very definition of “Yess girl give us nothing” meme
The choreography is not the problem its the group💀
1:35 This part is really good.
Umm y'all need to stop comparing Choreographers and idols, like if your expectations are that high then it's kinda ridiculous. Have you ever heard if the demo of the songs, then you'd say 'woah they can't sing they ruined it' come on of course the drafts would be master level cuz they are literally the ones who are creating these and they have been doing this for a long time. Dance and choreography is literally their profession and passion. Y'all need to chill out. This is a issue these days. The same problem with when y'all compare models with idols, hiw much do you guys want them to be? Everyone does their part well ok? You can't just say ifols look better in the dresses than the models, bruh do y'all even realize what y'all are saying? Please respect all these people who are working hard, it's disrespectful towards the idols as well as the dancers and models. I'm so disappointed at the kack of understanding and empathy. Same way y'all are gonna say a choreographer is a bad dancer if another idol aces his choreo, or gonna shade on a idol if their ramp walk suck..... Come on people grow up.....
If I was the choreographer I would probably be mad as hell
Not singing live most of the times, might as well put all that energy then 🙂
If Æspa was putting less energy in their performances so they can have breath to sing I would understand but they never sing live. There are too much things that are wrong in their stages and the main problems are stage presence and synchronization. If you’re not going to be synchronized because you prefer showing individuals skills and techniques at least have the best stage presence. I love Æspa a lot, their concept, I also like Ningning a lot but one thing that doesn’t make me want to stan is the lack of efforts. Come on, you’re a SM girlsgroup. Prove it and show us you actually want to be idols!
Also its a studio choom video, not even a singing performance
They still haven't done live singing?so their mr removed videos were inaccurate, is that right? Sad
@@cristiebell4584 I can only recall them being live at Coachella and a performance in Japan. {I can be wrong here.}
Other than that , pre-recorded vocals.
@@cristiebell4584 The mr was all pre recorded vocals. Their mics are also turned off
okay well- the dance only looks good when performed by professional dancers, who don't need to save breath to sing. Anyone (not just aespa) who has to sing and do this dance make the dances short, small but hard hitting moves look jerky and weird. Whereas on the left you can see what they looked like executed to their full potential.
It's very energy consuming to dance like the prof dancers.
They don't even sing live
Aespa weren't singing in this video though. All the groups who do performances for Studio Choom lip sync because the whole point of the channel is to showcase the choreography.
But aespa doesn't even sing live in this video nor ever while promoting this song so there is no "they focus on singing" excuse here.
Considering they rarely sing live, why bother with having someone stand to lip sync a high note at times like 3:14 and 3:31, when they could just have the original choreo which looks better?