We're getting a lot of questions about what tent we use. We have five of them, all suited for different seasons and environments. The one we use the most for car camping during Spring, Summer, and Fall is a nylon dome style tent; 7' x 7' at the floor, about 42" tall at the center. The weight comes in less than 10# including poles and stakes. The inner tent is all mess for fantastic ventilation and stargazing. The outer fly is full coverage, almost all the way to the ground, with two doors with vestibules. It was bought from REI, unfortunately it's been discontinued and replaced.
I am seriously thinking about getting a ground tent just for a backup. We love the RTT... but ours is on our base camp trailer (we hated having it on our 4Runner). I think our real problem comes about with the Annex for our son. He would be just fine in a ground tent on his cot instead of in the annex on his cot. Do you guys ever use a tent that is all one piece? I'm kinda curious about those just for simplicity (again, we have a trailer to store it in - not recommended for everyone).
I have gone thur a lot of Tents. My last one is my best one yet, Kelty 3 season dome 10'x10'x6', witht he rain fly that comes down to the bottom of the tent so the rain blow in. Of course we use to cots now to sleep on. i am 68 and getting older and I like to stand up when i put my pants on. also I can put a chair in the tent with me. Takes up more room for packing but we sleep good and we don't have to blow up the airmatress that always seems to leak down at night.
I like how there are slight disagreements. It makes me feel like Im part of a real conversation rather than be lectured too. You guys have an awesome channel btw, informative, fun, and you guys touch on all topics.
I agree with all you have said. That being said, I have a RTT that is on my off road trailer along with a really good awning. I have used 4 season geodesic dome tents all my life (53 years of it) and still have 2. For really good tents, try Cabela's Alaskan outfitter dome tents. I recently replaced my 6 person after 35 years of heavy use. The zippers finally started to give out, but I figure 35 years is a great return. I have the RTT on the trailer which I can pull literally almost anywhere and I can also sleep inside the trailer in really bad weather. It all depends on what I feel like doing. I can also take 3 other people with me on a trip and we all have places to sleep. Just my 2 cents worth.
I can't believe it. I just had this conversation with some friends. And I completely agree with everything you pointed out.... well... except the rooftop tent. But only partially because mine is on the bed of a Tacoma way low so no high center of gravity issues. My entire philosophy is keep it light. No steel bumpers, no rock sliders, no winches, and minimal gear. My entire gear for a 10 day outing weighs 320 pounds, 130 of that is the rooftop tent, another 48 pounds is water (which I resupply). The way I see people carrying 6hundred, 8hundred , even 1000 pounds of gear! It's no wonder they're winching all the time!
Well Tom...aren't you just the perfect "overlander". I guess everyone needs to be just....like....you. If they aren't, then they are doing it wrong. Happy trails to you...you perfect little overlander.
I bought a used RTT for less than 700 bucks. Used less than 6 nights by the previous owner. It takes less than 2 minutes to setup. It has 4 inches of memory foam. It’s the best sleep I’ve had in the woods in 26 years of camping. To each his own.
I picked up a Tapui atuna 4 ruggedized for $1000 it was a local dealers display model never spelt in it takes us less than 5 minutes to have it up and ready bedding stays in the tent, ready to go
@Craig E after sleeping several times in it yes, yes it's worth every penny. Living in the southwest the ground is covered in things that want to stab you or poke you. You don't have to sweep the floor of goat head stickers or mesquite branches before you set your tent you don't have to inflate your air mattress, you don't have worry about rattle snakes....
YES! Finally someone who speaks the truth! This whole "overlanding" thing was never anything more than a brilliant marketing plan to sell useless equipment. Face it...we've been "car camping" off grid for decades without all the hyped up equipment and been doing fine. Stop the madness and get real. Take what you've got and just get out there and do it. Love you guys!, Scott
@@WanderlostOverland Agreed, though with sadness. Because of all the hoopla generated the wilderness areas, backroads and trails are starting to resemble a freeway with rest stops. It’s getting more difficult to find solitude.
@@Atlanta_Cyclist I grew up in the midwest... we just called it boondockin. I do not like gatekeepers who say "This is, or this isn't or you have to do it this way" but I have noted that the buzzword "Overlanding" gets thrown around a lot where it does not really belong... just a couple hours ago I was watching the latest video by one of my favorite "overland" channels... they where "overlanding "... a nice crew of jeeps and toyotas all decked out with "overland racks" and RTTs... some great wheeling scenes with frequent cuts to spotters guiding them over rocks and ruts... they got to an amazing level site and set up... pulling out a couple canopies... cooked up some lunch (using food from the elevtric fridge cooked on the tembo discada someone brought, and a propane stove)... the whole crew took some pics and drone footage... then they packed up and headed off the mountain and went home. I say it again I do not like gate keeping in any activity, but these guys where not "overlanding"... they where out wheeling a trail... but "overlanding" is a buzz word these days... it sells... both products and video clicks. Round here, a popular trail ride is a partially flooded abandoned rail tunnel with some additional wild life management service roads around it... there are some pirate campsites by the rail tunnel (the tunnel itself is abandoned, but there is an active track and tunnel about 50 feet away from it. Most of us day trip it... that is a fun bit of wheelin... a good trail ride... but I personally could not really call it "overlanding" unless I was camping it... preferably as part of a longer trip. (maybe a 3 day weekend of exploring local trails (what few there are)) one thing I like about wanderlost... they seem to be trying to take a sensible approach to what they do, and encourage others to do so also.
Been camping out of vehicles since the late mid-1970s, done it ground camping, sleep platform camping, RTT camping and finally in an Alu Cab Canopy Camper. I have done so from the Arctic, down Baja, the Everglades, and pretty much everywhere in between. As for the awning, I have been in howling winds on the shores of Lake Superior in late fall and no issues with my 280 awning, didn't even put down the pole. I have the tie downs, but never used them. As for vehicles, in the past year or so, I am seeing more and more signs on FS roads/trails requiring high clearance and 4 Wheel drive. I am actually seeing people say they are getting cited now by FS Rangers on certain roads, due to having to recover a lot of vehicles lately that were not suitable for the particular trail or FS Road. I am 63 yo now, and like I said I have been doing this since I could drive. I drove from south Georgia to Alaska when I was 18 to camp, fish, prospect, stayed some of the winter and trapped fur living out of my vehicle. To be honest all you need for camping/"overlanding" is a capable vehicle, a sleeping bag and food and drink along with a way to prepare the food if you don't feel like cooking it in a can over an open fire (which I have done that). I would not trade my Alu Cab Canopy Camper on a built up Gladiator Rubicon for any vehicle out there, it is perfect for what I do.
RTTs have its place, I camp every weekend 7 months of the year. My hard shell is perfect for my application. It’s not perfect for everyone, but for me, I would buy again , no hesitation
I agree with you about the recovery boards too expensive, but I don’t necessarily agree with you about RTT and an awning. Why do you have a 4runner? These things are all very subjective. I think it’s important to point out as long as the person is enjoying themselves and having fun responsibly. We have one go around in this life. Overall very informative video. Thank you.
Thank you very much for mentioning trail etiquette. Things have really changed for the worst these past 18 months. It's really a shame how little experience and inconsiderate behavior people are bringing into the wilderness.
Finally!! Mark, you're singing to the choir. I have an FJ so I don't carry any of that stuff. Not even traction mats. I live in So Cal, no mud or snow here. We have sand, lots of sand, I know how to drive sand. FJ has very little space. So you're spot on for what not to buy. Thanks for making sense.
@@eddycarmona3979 chainlink fence and smooth paint job are totally different and yes I live here in Florida with the Gators lol same as bears out west yes they can climb but Rick's and trees are different from slippery hoods I prefer RTT just gives u a little head start on defending yourself instead of it walking in and grabbing you and your tent and dragging u off through the mountain side like a big ole human burrito also I carry a 500mag great bear stopper
My first "overlanding" experiences were with my mom in a 95 ford escort and then an 05 kia Rio. I'm not sure how she managed to fit everything but we always had what we needed, and with the good fuel economy we could log more miles.
My RTT is comfortable, the 4inch memory foam is sweet. It also allows for more storage in the jeep, in that I can leave sleeping bags, pillows ect in the tent when I close it. HOWEVER, it is a hassle (soft tent) to set up and tear down. They also had top weight to the jeep AND once set up, your vehicle is done moving. We leave for Moab in 2 weeks and will be taking our Gazelle T4. The RTT is great for easy rides and camping., not rock crawling so much.
To each his own. I spent 3 yrs in the 82nd airborne in an infantry. I most situations all we carried was a single change of Sox and a single t-shirt, poncho and line and a few days worth of MREs. Now I carry more luxury items than I’ll ever use during a single trip. What ever makes you happy.
Spent 8 years in the Cav we rolled into Iraq in Bradley's and packed way more comfort gear than we needed lol. Overlanding was just a natural transition lol
Funny, someone just posted this meme on a 4runner fb pg, "It's like a regular tent, but you have to climb a ladder to get to it. It's like 4 grand and I camp like twice a year. I just carry it around on my 4runner the rest of the year. Pretty sick huh?"
This is the perfect meme. Loads of 4Runners where I'm from that look like they just returned from Baja (RTT, Maxtraxx, fuel cans, shovel, recovery etc) when they're just parked outside of an office.
Guilty ✋ lol I have a fully outfitted 4 runner but mine actually gets used I manage a plantation In north Florida so I have a work truck that I drive all week and then I drive my 4 runner on the weekends also I've seen and been around a bunch of RTT and the Smitty built 2nd gen seams to be the best bang for your buck just over 1k and very very well built
An old timer once told me ALL tents will leak under the right circumstances, so we built the ultimate rig for us and our adventures. We live in the high Sierra an thunderstorms are common. I searched for an found a newer 4x4 truck w/standard cab an 8' bed. Put a 4" lift with 34x11" tires. We found 1 company offering a professional crawl-thru witch leads to our pillow top mattress (i'm old), this leaves about 24" towards the back for a fridge/freezer, 8 gal. water container & fire wood for cooking. Even fully loaded we have plenty of room in case of t/storms or needing to stealth camp along the way. I'm thinking of a roof rack (maybe) for some of the lighter stuff, but even in adverse conditions i send my wife in back to rearrange & stack things and we've never not been able to stretch out even with a inflatable raft, fishing equipment an everything to camp by ourselves. This seems to work in the high country or Death Valley or traveling. Bottom line-whatever works for you! THANKS for the video.
You guys are right on the money (no pun intended). I camp on a budget. Don’t consider myself an overlander, it’s not about how much $ you spend, it’s about having fun. Your safety tips added a lot of value. I’ve made my share of mistakes. No injuries though. Great job!!!
One of my many mentors once told me; "It's not the latest and greatest gear that makes going out into the bush safe and enjoyable, it's the skills you've learned on how to use the gear you have at hand."
Good info! If it doesn't enhance safety or performance, it don't belong on my rig. Im not talking superchargers, etc. Just lights so i can see, a winch to get me out of slick spots, a first aid kit, and an air compressor that i found after it fell off a truck.
I have enjoyed your videos and I have to say this was the best video yet ! I have hunted through out the West for Elk Deer Antelope Bear. I know Hunter’s use 4x4 pickup trucks and tents and campers exclusively. Never seen a hunter with a roof top tent. But I do like my Max Trax Boards I picked up because of reviews. I just got into a 4Runner 2022 TRD Pro and put Greenlane rock sliders, because my truck I had trail damage to both doors. I have no intention of a lifting it but will go up one tire size 275x70 17R when the Nito’s wear out. Also the higher you go the more likely you are to roll.
I totally agree with the point on rooftop tents. We owned one for a year then finally sold it and bought a Gazelle tent. Roof tents are far too expensive and have too many downsides.
RTTs are good for places like Africa and Australia, but not so much in the USA. I prefer my Cabela's Alaskan Guide tent for a basecamp, still looking for the perfect move to a new location every day tent.
OH MY GOD! FINALLY Someone else with common sense with regards to Hi-lift Jack's! And another couple points on Hi-Lifts. First, most people when they first get an off roader, and the first thing they do is get a Hi-Lift ... their vehicle probably doesn't have a jacking point for said Hi-Lift. Second... most of us have flexy suspensions (eventually). Well, you usually use the jack to change a tire. Well, your gonna have to go up a longgggg way to get that tire off the ground. I like the bottle jack on a board ... but 2x6 to make it wider and disperse the weight. I now take a floor jack. ... and! Hi-Lifts are down right scarey. Couldn't imagine using one if I had to go under the vehicle ... but my lift makes it so I don't really have to jack it up.
Go Fast Campers look pretty nice, but for me I have to have the tent separate from my vehicle because the wife likes to explore while camping so we need a basecamp.
Hi, I'm Michael from Germany. I really like your videos and get everytime more inspired when you show, actually what's worth and what's not, and all the other stuff do. I daily drive my 07 FJ Cruiser and build it up to an overlanding vehicle with a drawer system and, yes a rooftop tent. Thank you for your funny bloppers and your sense of humor. Go on like this!!!
Yea I've never used my high lift jack but they look cool.lol. and I did have a rooftop tent . Had it about an year got rid of it went back to the ground tent. The problem I had with rooftop tents there not for old folks like me . I'm 60. And you guys are right climbing up and down during the night is a pain. Half asleep and climbing down a tent in the dark is a recipe for falling of the latter and breaking an hip. especially at my age. I should have known better since I been an orthopedic nurse for 30 years. Don't waste your money on a roof top tent especially when your 50 or older. Enjoyed the video.
I agree 100% with every point you make! I've been overlanding for 3+ years now, and I am very budget conscience about the gear I purchase - Not to mention that I'm also very weight conscience since I'm in a 7K Lb Ford Expedition! A rooftop tent is like a woman's purse . . . A $3000 designer purse doesn't do anything a $30 Wally-World purse can't do! LOL The only point I was disappointed that you didn't cover was coolers . . . I have a $300 12V fridge/freezer that has paid for itself several times over in the savings from not needing to always buy ice, not to mention keeping food stored properly without getting soggy. My Chinese fridge/freezer works as well as a high-dollar name brand fridge; and it did cost less than most folks spend on a Yeti Cooler - and still need to purchase ice! LOL
I use a Gazelle T4 tent and it slides right into the back of my Tundra w/ 6.5 ft. bed. The Gazelle is plenty big for just me and the dog and I can stand up and change, I set up my Cleanwaste toilet, and it's big enough to set up a table/chair inside in case the weather is bad.
IMO, the two most important pieces of equipment for taking a vehicle off road in my opinion are skids and (if you travel as the only vehicle) a winch. too many off roaders have rutted roads, caused erosion exposing rocks... if you are in a stock(ish) vehicle, skid plates will save your drive train... I have already put a good size dent in my factory skid on an access road. (RCI skids are in my tacoma's future)... if you get stuck, you either need a friend to pull you out, or you need a winch. yes traction boards will get you out of some stucks, but not all. go pr4epared... take a friend along :)
Some examples of things I've done that are not overlanding approved: I just put in a simple modular 3/4" ply sleeping platform without drawers in. No need for a RTT, and doubles as a storage area cover with the rear seats up when I'm not sleeping on it. Also about to put in a switch kit to pop the hatch and control the rear window and door locks right from the back. Not overlanding approved. I carry a cheap 3gal pancake air compressor I picked up used on Craigslist, for airing back up after airing down. Hard mounted onboard air is great, but this works just fine. Not overlanding approved. I study backpacking for my camping gear. Not only is it light weight and super compact, but I can throw it all in a pack and go hiking for days with all the same gear. Small, light, and multifunctional. Not overlanding approved. I keep a 2lb fire extinguisher in the factory jack compartment. I used one this year when a car that a mechanic was test driving started on fire. I saw him while I was getting on the highway. Pulled over, ripped the extinguisher out of that compartment in 5 seconds, and we had the fire completely out within 30 seconds of me getting out of the 4Runner. Cheap, effective, and out of the way. Not overlanding approved. 5gal pail with snap on toilet seat lid, contractor bag, kitty litter, and water soluble blue porta potty scent eliminator tabs, set it all in a milk crate to keep it from falling over, and I've got a personal toilet at the ready to use outside, or even inside in a pinch. Not overlanding approved. I have a 12ft x 14ft tarp that can be easily tied between the roof and a couple trees. Quick deploy awning without advertising it on the outside. Not overlanding approved. I have homemade reflectix window covers to keep stuff hidden (including me) when parked, to keep heat out in the sun, and to keep the interior dark in the morning. Not overlanding approved. I'm sure I've done more that I forgotten. Screw being cool, I just want to be out in the forest!
Well I don’t leave home without my hi lift. I never need it until I forget it. I don’t winch with it. I lift the entire front of my vehicle and push it out of whatever I’m in. Then I do the same out back. Boom unstuck.
Agreed with most of what you said here. We've been using the knock-off maxtracks for years with good success. I ditched the high-lift jack a while back and just use bottle jacks now. We like our awning a lot! It's the ARB and was very affordable and easy to deploy. We've never had any wind issues that caused us to panic. Probably similar to your tarp solution. You didn't ruffle any feathers about roof top tents, however, we've done both ground-tent and roof top tent. I will tell you I agree with some of the RTT comments when the RTT is mounted on a vehicle. We did that and hated it. When we moved the RTT to the adventure trailer it has been great and haven't had most of the issues you mentioned. It allows us to have a 'base camp'. We don't NEED most of this stuff to be "real" overlanders....but if you have the budget for it and want to use it, more power to yah. It's just like the Viair air compressor...Yes it's nice to have but do you need it or just want it? That's my $0.02. This is the first video I've seen from Wanderlost Overland. Keep up the good work and stay safe out there.
You make a lot of good points. None of this stuff is NECESSARY. We use our Amazon traction boards and 99% of the time they do the trick to get us unstuck. As you said they are also good for leveling. I don’t yet have funds for a winch and the hi-lift has worked as a winch each time we’ve needed it (and as a jack), but a winch is on the list. We love our Ozark Trail ground tent. It’s been great in the rain etc, but cleaning up with the mud was quite inconvenient. We are planning to get an entry level RTT though. Opens up space inside the truck and we are hoping it’ll be a bit less messy. So far the biggest perk of the ground tent is we put it under our awning 😂. We can pack up and set up while staying dry. It’s so convenient having a 270 awning. Also made camping in the rain much more enjoyable. We try to do everything as cheap as possible, but the awning is a splurge we were very happy with (after many trips without). But you’re right, none of this stuff is necessary
I like setting up camp (tent) then heading off to watch sunset, or collect firewood, or go fishing, or whatever and have my truck driveable. And when I'm done camping I toss the tent in my garage.
Thanks! Love this! You two are really the best down to earth people for this sort of thing. So many channels are dream channels like: Oh I hit the lottery now I get the XXX that costs thousands and I dropped 30k in cash on the truck. That's nuts.
Just did some camping at PINS and got to use my ROAM awning. Had it set up the whole time and it didn't move an inch even during the crazy winds day or night. Saw other peoples canopy's get torn up, flipped and destroyed.
I was really set on getting a roof top tent. After watching a few videos, I decided not to have the weight up on the roof, not limit myself to having to break camp to explore and not have the big wind break up top on my daily driver. I ended up buying a small adventure trailer with a tent on top. Solves most of my problems. As for the awning, I like my 2.5m awning. It's way easier to set up than a tarp. It also has a screen room that quickly attaches if I happen to end up camping in a place with a lot of bugs. In Canada... there can be a LOT of bugs. Other than those items, I agree it is better to get out there simply rather than spending your time building the "perfect rig". Every adventure can tell you what you need next time and what you brought that should have been left at home.
I've been sleeping in a roof top tent for going on a couple of years now, we went back to a ground tent for a night and instantly missed our roof top tent. I have an alucab, so, yea, pricey - but setup is fast, I keep my bedding in it, it saves me a ton of room inside my vehicle, comfortable, and can always have a level bed. The weight up top is not horrible, it hasn't kept me from going anywhere I want to go. I also have the alucab awning, again, pricey but free standing, super fast setup and take down, stands up to some pretty serious wind. For us, it's primarily about speed and storage space, if I can setup/packup fast I can cover a lot more ground. We did the ground tent for years - going to a RTT was a game changer for us - but they are not required, I always tell people just grab a walmart tent and go, they work fine.
You’re right about the Hi-Lift. Bought one and was hoping to mount it to the roof rack. Hell no. It’s heavy, cumbersome, and trying to hoist it onto the roof rack is asking for trouble. Save yourself some money and get a bigger bottle jack.
I scrolled through the comments, and it's kinda easy to tell who has been using a roof top tent and who hasn't. There are some misconceptions for sure, but there is a big drawback that I've yet to see anyone mention. The only "real" problem I've experienced with a roof top tent is clearance, between the rack and the tent my jeep sits quite a bit higher so tree's and branches are an issue. I have an antenna up front that is about the height of rig, so I can look out and if my antenna clears, I know the rest of me will too. The other negative is you'll experience a ton more sway if your on stock or not so great shocks/springs/etc. If your setup is nice, it's not bad. The biggest negative is cost, by far since you have to account for more than the tent. Tent + proper rack + proper suspension = don't add that up because you'll hate yourself. Are they needed - no Are good ones nice, yes
Rock rails and a Hi-Lift jack have saved me and my FJ three times...but not offroad. Road hazards have flattened one of my tires each time, and I have hard-core MT tires. I can hook my Hi-Lift on one of my rock rails (or in my Class 3 hitch receiver), lift the whole rig, and swap out a tire, without climbing underneath, in less than 10 minutes. I've also used my Hi-Lift and two tow straps as a come-along to winch a buddy's high-centered K5 out of a mud hole. The first time you find yourself in a situation where you have to drive through some heavy brush and/or push over some saplings to get through a bog, you'll be glad for those steel bumpers. For things you need, don't forget an axe, a shovel, first aid kit, a CB radio and a radar detector. For the ladies (and some "men"), don't forget a strong sports bra. (oYo) Great video.
LOL - being kind of a down to earth overlanding enthusiasts and also quite noobs at it - your choices basically described our gear: a Suzuki Grand Vitara 4x4 with also a low range, original jack, nice ground tent (and also a setup allowing to sleep inside of the vehicle), good set of AT tires, a gas cooker for hikers and a primus kettle and pan and that's mostly it 🙂 Also good thoughts on being respectful towards nature ❤️ SUBBED With respect from Estonia!
no... the guy who invented them was a different guy entirely from the marketing genius who took the idea and introduced most of us to them. Discadas have been around for quite some time before the scottle was "invented"
Re: Farm Jack, mine has been useful for being high centered while rock crawling. Re: RTT, not to mention if your intentions are to go off-roading, you’ll have to pack the tent before heading for a trail... Re: electrical, ensure your alternator delivers enough amps to handle the extra loads. Also proper gauge wiring. Re: tires, good point on tires. Extreme off road tires are fine if your vehicle is a toad vehicle. If you drive with them, they are extremely noisy and more often than not hard to balance. Thank you for your inputs, regardless of readers feelings your point are on point!
Best thing about a quality (hard shell) RTT is the speed (6 secs) of setup and pull down (90 secs). As for your “bears can climb” comment, they can also get shot in the face easier with a RTT. :)
Good point about the roof top tent. I never understood why you would want to tie your base camp to your vehicle. If you wanna go exploring for the day and come back, that option is exponentially complicated.
I remember car camping with my family all over the UK and the European continent driving a used Datsun 510 and pulling a small trailer packed with camping gear; tent, sleeping bags for the five of us, a two burner stove, beach chairs, inner tubes to float on and other simple needs. I recall buying this trailer and all of the aforementioned gear from an English friend for less than $300. We had a blast. Nowadays, people are spending thousands on RTT's, fancy stoves, refrigerators, and whatever...it's like keeping up with the Joneses in the woods. Then you add an expensive 4X4 vehicle, lift kit, wench, tires...omg, where does it end?! What's the current terminology...glamping? I've been backpacking for over 63 years and I still fill a small backpack with simple needs and spend a night, sometimes two nights out with less than 20 pounds pack weight including food and water and have a great experience in the wilderness. Training, common sense and good judgment will keep you safe out there. I've car camped with people who arrived in a Prius, brought a tent, sleeping bags, a small cooler, a backpacking stove and other necessities and they enjoyed the outdoor experience as much as I did.
Put an RTT on a lifted vehicle, add a little weight on the back for cans of water or fuel, maybe add a filled solar shower. Then drive down the interstate at 70 mph and make an evasive maneuver around suddenly-stopped traffic. You'll discover a major downside of that high center of gravity.
Base on your input about rooftop tent (RTT). i think you have not own RTT yet.. Get yourself a hardshell roof top tent and it will change mind 360 degree.
I've used a RTT for about 6 nights in the past year (borrowed), and I'd pass on it. It takes 2 or 3 mins to deploy but takes like 10 to put away because of how compact it is. It is nice to instantly deploy and have a mattress but for long term use, it's a pass. They're nice, but ground tents are a fraction of the price & have better materials.
Well, if I tried a hard shell RTT, I think it would change my mind about them 360 degrees, which would have me "circle back" to the "RTT is a solution to a non-problem while creating many problems" camp. It wouldn't change my mind about them, at all.
Holy! I'm only at 6:50 and this one has got me going! But not in the "pissed off way" you mentioned, but more of a "Oh My God, YESSS!" I SO totally agree... SCOTTLES!? Pfffft, What EVERRR. This is a great one guys.
I am 99.9% with you. I ground tent when it is just my son and I, but we have a Sylvansport Go for the whole family trips (which I lifted with matching OEM wheels and tires to my GX). I have GoTreads vice MaxTrax, but I do have legit bridging ladders from Crux Offroad as well. I have no lift right now as I can go everywhere, but I do also carry an ARB X-Jack in addition to the factory bottle jack. I did get a 270 awning, but man is it pissing me off with arms breaking and the fabric is completely deteriorating in the AZ sun. You may have convinced me to go with the tarp vice a different 270 awning.
I bought a RTT about a year ago. It’s definitely a nice tent, spacious and comfortable, but it creates more hassles overall then convenience. A huge one for me is that once the RTT it set up, your vehicle is stuck there. Let’s say an emergency arises, you’re stuck. Or let’s say you just want to do some midnight off-roading, which is quite fun, well you really can’t realistically do that. Unless you’re willing to spend dang near 4 grand on a tent, it’s really no better than a ground tent at anything, and then has a bunch of downsides. In the short time I’ve had this tent it’s torn in two places and the metal bars that it came with broke one night that it rained a lot and water pooled on the rain fly. Not exactly what you want out of a 1300 tent. I come from vanlife and that was the ultimate in terms of freedom of travel, only thing was my van couldn’t off-road. Now I have an off-road ready rig, and I thought the RTT would have been the solution, but it’s just come with more trouble than it’s worth and not that much benefit. Currently I’m buying a topper for my truck bed and going to build out a platform for my mattress with 6ft drawers underneath. No setup time at all, you arrive and you’re ready.
love the honesty. Some gear is just ridiculously expensive... I saw an outdoor toilet for $850, that spin wraps your.. ahem, ah...droppings shall we say, in plastic. for $850... keep up the great work, love the channel.
I personally love sleeping out of my high top canopy with a sleeping platform, park and go right to bed. It blocks out 95% of all the elements and retains more heat.
I would to say I liked your comments on the hi-lift, I have one and still carry it. But I have carried it for 20 years and found use for it enough not to abandon it. I probably use it once or twice a year at most, and the last time was a tire in big hole that put the rear axle on the ground when old wooden culvert collapsed. The hi-lift with the tire hooks let me get the tire up and stuff under it with ease, I still could have done it with a shovel and bottle jacket it just would have been far more work. As you noted unless you intend take the time to maintain and practice with them, and buy some the additional bits that make them a bit easier to use just pass. Most tasks can be done with other tools.
Over landing in australia is pretty much the same. Too many people think they need all the latest gadgets to get out there. Some very valid points. Cheers!
Thanks for being straight. I agree about the RTT. Being a ground tent user the only advantage that makes me wish I had an RTT is camping when it is wet and muddy where being up off the ground can be helpful. But unless I have an adventure trailer or something I would hate to be driving around town with a 200 lb tent mounted on my roof. Which traction boards do ya'll use?
Try using X-bull traction boards gen 2 super durable, half the price of maxtrax comes with cloth case and mounting hardware for a rack. Find on ebay or amazon.
At the end of the day it's not so much about the gear per se, it's about getting out & exploring. Sure, some gear could make it easier & offer more creature comforts, but necessary? Nahhh. Get out bc adventure is calling! 🤙-Josh
YES!!! Skottles are a total rip off! Rooftop tents are a joke! A lot of this "stuff" is only designed to part a person from their money. And youtubers who get the stuff for free and then give it a glowing review are really just making a commercial. The only problem is that a lot of people dont realize they are watching a commercial because the youtuber doesnt tell them they got the product for free in exchange for the review. Some youtubers have a set fee schedule for doing product reviews for companies to get a good review of their product. Its really tricky to know whether you are watching a real video like this one or if you are watching a commercial.
Rooftop tent and why I use it: Music festival camping, I have a limited space to park and camp, so building up is better than building out. So we can now have a 10X10 to give us shade and such. For offroading, I'd rather sleep on the ground tent or in the 4Runner
Love my iKamper but I could afford it. Setup and break down in minutes. Just went through 35+ MPH wind (60 mph gust) then rain. And tent and annex were awesome.
I loved your comment on the tent .I bought a iKamper it is very expensive ,definitely not worth the money . It is large enough for two adults and two small children my daughters love it . I don’t , this is why I have a very good ground tent . Great in rain ,wind,and also cold weather and the pee factor is huge . The roof top tent will go on sale if my daughters allow it . I don’t comment on many of your blogs but I watch all of them
Roofnest hard shell is the bomb. Nalgen for AM bio breaks. Coffee and dry breakfast so no need to go down the ladder. Set up in the dark. Heater & lights in a crate and breakfast tray. My backpacking has been reduced as I age. Also, have a reenforced canopy to support weight.
I think I own all of the things you say I don't need, except the RTT - we have a Teardrop Trailer. But again each person will adapt to the environment and the need. So you are right a car with a cheap tent and you can get out there, just choose where you go. thanks for the list.
I agree with everything and would add a snorkel to the top of the list. I also see roof racks as a real scam. I have a flat, mesh, aluminum, full-size ARB rack. It is mesh and flat so I can attach anything to it with straps and tie-downs. I do not need all the fittings and attachments for everything I want to add. I know people who have spent $7,000 on roof racks including all the attachments for accessories.
Spot on. One other thing about the RTT is that you cannot create a home base from which to go exploring. Gotta pack it up each time, P.I.T.A. One luxury I did splurge on was the Dometic Fridge and a dual battery system. Game changer for sure especially when you are out there for more than just a day or two. Better food, colder beer, ice for cocktails and ice cream after a hot day in the desert. No soggy bottom veggies or food.
The only thing I disagree are the skid plates. If you run on snow packed forest roads you never know when you will sink in or what's below the snow waiting for damaging your drivetrain. Otherwise you are spot on. However, I switched from ground tent or car camping to a teardrop camper.
You two have plenty of good advice here. I have been camping for most of my life. The past year or so has been getting more adventurous. But, running things on a budget, I look for places that are just a little further out than most people, not trying to get somewhere no one has ever seen before. Like you mentioned, a decent vehicle and a good set of tires gets me to 95% of my intended destinations. Keep up the good vids ... and the goofy digs that you give to each other. LOL
Well...you got me on all the don't needs, lol. I love yawls' channel! Thanks for being who you guys are! I learned a lot over the last few years from you guys.
I love my rooftop tent, but I 100% agree they are not at all a necessity and anyone on a tight budget should avoid them in my opinion. The cost isn't just the purchase price. It'll hit mpg and depending on the tent design is can be a BIG MPG HIT. The main reason I like mine is that when I set it up my bed is already there and ready for me to jump into. Overall I definitely agree that a ground tent is a better option for people new to overlanding or on a tight budget. Plus a ground tent can be used for different types of camping as well. You can't use a rooftop tent at a walk in campsite.
First off love all the vids and subscribed to your channel after the first video i saw.. I do appreciate the info as im just starting out...I mean I'm still getting my 02 sequoia maintenance ALL done by me and with 3 kids its a very slow process. Again with 3 young kids(oldest being 7) money is tight so I'm always trying to figure out what I can diy instead of spending the money. Thanks for the advise and can't wait for more videos
Man.... 40 mph winds out here in west texas and I've never had an issue with my ARB awning.... proper staking and tie downs work.... I guess your milage will verry.
You got it on RTT’s as a preference for that the treehouse feel. Even assuming no critters can get up there, I’d bet the frequency of people being injured by animals in their ground tent is way less than people getting injured getting in and out (ladder) of their RTT per use.
Two things: 1) Had an RTT for one season. Climbing up and down in the middle of the night a pain. Maybe ok protection from snakes in the tent but that's it. Also as someone else pointed out; if you set up basecamp, you have to pack up to go anywhere while you are there, so why bother. Switched to Gazelle T-4, Love it. 2) Love my MaxxTraxx, BUT, they were a Christmas gift, so technically they were free! Can't beat the price. 🙂
And a ground tent lets you leave camp set up to go wheel if you're staying in the same general area for a while. Roof tents have to be broken down and set back up every time you need to use the vehicle.
Excellent video as usual. 100% agree with the Maxtrax and Skottles. Greatest marketing scam of the 21st century. Also agree with the RTT and awning segments. The only thing I don't agree with is the HiLift. I prefer the Hilift over the bottle jack.
We're getting a lot of questions about what tent we use. We have five of them, all suited for different seasons and environments. The one we use the most for car camping during Spring, Summer, and Fall is a nylon dome style tent; 7' x 7' at the floor, about 42" tall at the center. The weight comes in less than 10# including poles and stakes. The inner tent is all mess for fantastic ventilation and stargazing. The outer fly is full coverage, almost all the way to the ground, with two doors with vestibules. It was bought from REI, unfortunately it's been discontinued and replaced.
I am seriously thinking about getting a ground tent just for a backup. We love the RTT... but ours is on our base camp trailer (we hated having it on our 4Runner). I think our real problem comes about with the Annex for our son. He would be just fine in a ground tent on his cot instead of in the annex on his cot. Do you guys ever use a tent that is all one piece? I'm kinda curious about those just for simplicity (again, we have a trailer to store it in - not recommended for everyone).
I have gone thur a lot of Tents. My last one is my best one yet, Kelty 3 season dome 10'x10'x6', witht he rain fly that comes down to the bottom of the tent so the rain blow in. Of course we use to cots now to sleep on. i am 68 and getting older and I like to stand up when i put my pants on. also I can put a chair in the tent with me. Takes up more room for packing but we sleep good and we don't have to blow up the airmatress that always seems to leak down at night.
@@TrailorSailYT We have, and occasionally use an Oztent. It's heavy and a bit cumbersome but may be useful for your situation.
@@WanderlostOverland I have some friends that swear by the Oztent... I'm going to have to look into that some more. Thanks!
About reliability, Australians have a saying." If you're going into the outback, take a Jeep. If you want to get back, take a Toyota."
I like how there are slight disagreements. It makes me feel like Im part of a real conversation rather than be lectured too. You guys have an awesome channel btw, informative, fun, and you guys touch on all topics.
Thanks for watching!
I agree with all you have said. That being said, I have a RTT that is on my off road trailer along with a really good awning. I have used 4 season geodesic dome tents all my life (53 years of it) and still have 2. For really good tents, try Cabela's Alaskan outfitter dome tents. I recently replaced my 6 person after 35 years of heavy use. The zippers finally started to give out, but I figure 35 years is a great return. I have the RTT on the trailer which I can pull literally almost anywhere and I can also sleep inside the trailer in really bad weather. It all depends on what I feel like doing. I can also take 3 other people with me on a trip and we all have places to sleep. Just my 2 cents worth.
I can't believe it. I just had this conversation with some friends. And I completely agree with everything you pointed out.... well... except the rooftop tent. But only partially because mine is on the bed of a Tacoma way low so no high center of gravity issues.
My entire philosophy is keep it light. No steel bumpers, no rock sliders, no winches, and minimal gear.
My entire gear for a 10 day outing weighs 320 pounds, 130 of that is the rooftop tent, another 48 pounds is water (which I resupply).
The way I see people carrying 6hundred, 8hundred , even 1000 pounds of gear! It's no wonder they're winching all the time!
Well Tom...aren't you just the perfect "overlander". I guess everyone needs to be just....like....you. If they aren't, then they are doing it wrong.
Happy trails to you...you perfect little overlander.
I bought a used RTT for less than 700 bucks. Used less than 6 nights by the previous owner. It takes less than 2 minutes to setup. It has 4 inches of memory foam. It’s the best sleep I’ve had in the woods in 26 years of camping. To each his own.
I picked up a Tapui atuna 4 ruggedized for $1000 it was a local dealers display model never spelt in it takes us less than 5 minutes to have it up and ready bedding stays in the tent, ready to go
@Craig E after sleeping several times in it yes, yes it's worth every penny. Living in the southwest the ground is covered in things that want to stab you or poke you. You don't have to sweep the floor of goat head stickers or mesquite branches before you set your tent you don't have to inflate your air mattress, you don't have worry about rattle snakes....
YES! Finally someone who speaks the truth! This whole "overlanding" thing was never anything more than a brilliant marketing plan to sell useless equipment. Face it...we've been "car camping" off grid for decades without all the hyped up equipment and been doing fine. Stop the madness and get real. Take what you've got and just get out there and do it.
Love you guys!,
Scott
There's a lot of interest in "overlanding" right now. Also a lot of money to be made.
@@WanderlostOverland Agreed, though with sadness. Because of all the hoopla generated the wilderness areas, backroads and trails are starting to resemble a freeway with rest stops. It’s getting more difficult to find solitude.
@@Atlanta_Cyclist I grew up in the midwest... we just called it boondockin. I do not like gatekeepers who say "This is, or this isn't or you have to do it this way" but I have noted that the buzzword "Overlanding" gets thrown around a lot where it does not really belong... just a couple hours ago I was watching the latest video by one of my favorite "overland" channels... they where "overlanding "... a nice crew of jeeps and toyotas all decked out with "overland racks" and RTTs... some great wheeling scenes with frequent cuts to spotters guiding them over rocks and ruts... they got to an amazing level site and set up... pulling out a couple canopies... cooked up some lunch (using food from the elevtric fridge cooked on the tembo discada someone brought, and a propane stove)... the whole crew took some pics and drone footage... then they packed up and headed off the mountain and went home. I say it again I do not like gate keeping in any activity, but these guys where not "overlanding"... they where out wheeling a trail... but "overlanding" is a buzz word these days... it sells... both products and video clicks.
Round here, a popular trail ride is a partially flooded abandoned rail tunnel with some additional wild life management service roads around it... there are some pirate campsites by the rail tunnel (the tunnel itself is abandoned, but there is an active track and tunnel about 50 feet away from it. Most of us day trip it... that is a fun bit of wheelin... a good trail ride... but I personally could not really call it "overlanding" unless I was camping it... preferably as part of a longer trip. (maybe a 3 day weekend of exploring local trails (what few there are))
one thing I like about wanderlost... they seem to be trying to take a sensible approach to what they do, and encourage others to do so also.
Been camping out of vehicles since the late mid-1970s, done it ground camping, sleep platform camping, RTT camping and finally in an Alu Cab Canopy Camper. I have done so from the Arctic, down Baja, the Everglades, and pretty much everywhere in between. As for the awning, I have been in howling winds on the shores of Lake Superior in late fall and no issues with my 280 awning, didn't even put down the pole. I have the tie downs, but never used them. As for vehicles, in the past year or so, I am seeing more and more signs on FS roads/trails requiring high clearance and 4 Wheel drive. I am actually seeing people say they are getting cited now by FS Rangers on certain roads, due to having to recover a lot of vehicles lately that were not suitable for the particular trail or FS Road. I am 63 yo now, and like I said I have been doing this since I could drive. I drove from south Georgia to Alaska when I was 18 to camp, fish, prospect, stayed some of the winter and trapped fur living out of my vehicle. To be honest all you need for camping/"overlanding" is a capable vehicle, a sleeping bag and food and drink along with a way to prepare the food if you don't feel like cooking it in a can over an open fire (which I have done that). I would not trade my Alu Cab Canopy Camper on a built up Gladiator Rubicon for any vehicle out there, it is perfect for what I do.
I have used my floor mats out of my vehicle and got myself out of loose sand in a emergency and worked . Not ideal but it worked.
Definitely been there. If its stupid but works then it ain’t stupid.
that is quite probably the original "traction mat. I remember seeing guys with IHs and Broncos using floor mats to get unstuck when I was a kid.
RTTs have its place, I camp every weekend 7 months of the year. My hard shell is perfect for my application. It’s not perfect for everyone, but for me, I would buy again , no hesitation
It’s like everything ya’ll point out are all the very trendy things in off roading/dispersed camping or “overlanding”
I agree with you about the recovery boards too expensive, but I don’t necessarily agree with you about RTT and an awning. Why do you have a 4runner? These things are all very subjective. I think it’s important to point out as long as the person is enjoying themselves and having fun responsibly. We have one go around in this life. Overall very informative video. Thank you.
Thank you very much for mentioning trail etiquette. Things have really changed for the worst these past 18 months. It's really a shame how little experience and inconsiderate behavior people are bringing into the wilderness.
Well said! Having the "latest thing" or wearing certain brands of clothes does not an off-roader make! Keep up the good work!
Finally!! Mark, you're singing to the choir. I have an FJ so I don't carry any of that stuff. Not even traction mats. I live in So Cal, no mud or snow here. We have sand, lots of sand, I know how to drive sand. FJ has very little space. So you're spot on for what not to buy. Thanks for making sense.
Crocodiles over here in Australia haven't learnt to climb so Roof Top Tent makes a lot of sense.
Theres a vid of a gator in florida climbing. A fence
@@eddycarmona3979 chainlink fence and smooth paint job are totally different and yes I live here in Florida with the Gators lol same as bears out west yes they can climb but Rick's and trees are different from slippery hoods I prefer RTT just gives u a little head start on defending yourself instead of it walking in and grabbing you and your tent and dragging u off through the mountain side like a big ole human burrito also I carry a 500mag great bear stopper
My first "overlanding" experiences were with my mom in a 95 ford escort and then an 05 kia Rio. I'm not sure how she managed to fit everything but we always had what we needed, and with the good fuel economy we could log more miles.
My RTT is comfortable, the 4inch memory foam is sweet. It also allows for more storage in the jeep, in that I can leave sleeping bags, pillows ect in the tent when I close it. HOWEVER, it is a hassle (soft tent) to set up and tear down. They also had top weight to the jeep AND once set up, your vehicle is done moving. We leave for Moab in 2 weeks and will be taking our Gazelle T4. The RTT is great for easy rides and camping., not rock crawling so much.
To each his own. I spent 3 yrs in the 82nd airborne in an infantry. I most situations all we carried was a single change of Sox and a single t-shirt, poncho and line and a few days worth of MREs. Now I carry more luxury items than I’ll ever use during a single trip. What ever makes you happy.
Hooooaaaahhhh!
Former 82nd myself. I can almost feel the twisted ankles from running area j in the dark with a loaded ruck. Good times.
Spent 8 years in the Cav we rolled into Iraq in Bradley's and packed way more comfort gear than we needed lol. Overlanding was just a natural transition lol
We have used a Gazelle 4P tent for the past 3 years: Fast to set-up, and very durable in wind and rain.
Ive got both an RTT and the Gazelle, Im taking the Gazelle to Moab in 2 weeks and leaving the RTT
Funny, someone just posted this meme on a 4runner fb pg, "It's like a regular tent, but you have to climb a ladder to get to it. It's like 4 grand and I camp like twice a year. I just carry it around on my 4runner the rest of the year. Pretty sick huh?"
LOL!
This is the perfect meme. Loads of 4Runners where I'm from that look like they just returned from Baja (RTT, Maxtraxx, fuel cans, shovel, recovery etc) when they're just parked outside of an office.
Guilty ✋ lol I have a fully outfitted 4 runner but mine actually gets used I manage a plantation In north Florida so I have a work truck that I drive all week and then I drive my 4 runner on the weekends also I've seen and been around a bunch of RTT and the Smitty built 2nd gen seams to be the best bang for your buck just over 1k and very very well built
After 25 years I got rid of my Hi Lift jack, only used it once. I gave it to the guy that bought my 85 4Runner last summer.
An old timer once told me ALL tents will leak under the right circumstances, so we built the ultimate rig for us and our adventures. We live in the high Sierra an thunderstorms are common. I searched for an found a newer 4x4 truck w/standard cab an 8' bed. Put a 4" lift with 34x11" tires. We found 1 company offering a professional crawl-thru witch leads to our pillow top mattress (i'm old), this leaves about 24" towards the back for a fridge/freezer, 8 gal. water container & fire wood for cooking. Even fully loaded we have plenty of room in case of t/storms or needing to stealth camp along the way. I'm thinking of a roof rack (maybe) for some of the lighter stuff, but even in adverse conditions i send my wife in back to rearrange & stack things and we've never not been able to stretch out even with a inflatable raft, fishing equipment an everything to camp by ourselves. This seems to work in the high country or Death Valley or traveling. Bottom line-whatever works for you! THANKS for the video.
You guys are right on the money (no pun intended). I camp on a budget. Don’t consider myself an overlander, it’s not about how much $ you spend, it’s about having fun. Your safety tips added a lot of value. I’ve made my share of mistakes. No injuries though. Great job!!!
One of my many mentors once told me; "It's not the latest and greatest gear that makes going out into the bush safe and enjoyable, it's the skills you've learned on how to use the gear you have at hand."
Good info! If it doesn't enhance safety or performance, it don't belong on my rig. Im not talking superchargers, etc. Just lights so i can see, a winch to get me out of slick spots, a first aid kit, and an air compressor that i found after it fell off a truck.
Thank you so much for promoting the No Trace ethic!
I have enjoyed your videos and I have to say this was the best video yet ! I have hunted through out the West for Elk Deer Antelope Bear. I know Hunter’s use 4x4 pickup trucks and tents and campers exclusively. Never seen a hunter with a roof top tent. But I do like my Max Trax Boards I picked up because of reviews. I just got into a 4Runner 2022 TRD Pro and put Greenlane rock sliders, because my truck I had trail damage to both doors. I have no intention of a lifting it but will go up one tire size 275x70 17R when the Nito’s wear out. Also the higher you go the more likely you are to roll.
I have to say you guys are whose opinion I highly value. Very realistic and honest. Agree on all of these points!👊🏼👏🏼
Thank you!!!
I totally agree with the point on rooftop tents. We owned one for a year then finally sold it and bought a Gazelle tent. Roof tents are far too expensive and have too many downsides.
RTTs are good for places like Africa and Australia, but not so much in the USA. I prefer my Cabela's Alaskan Guide tent for a basecamp, still looking for the perfect move to a new location every day tent.
I have the same tent, 6 person model. The thing I love the most is they stay dark inside when the sun is up
OH MY GOD! FINALLY Someone else with common sense with regards to Hi-lift Jack's! And another couple points on Hi-Lifts. First, most people when they first get an off roader, and the first thing they do is get a Hi-Lift ... their vehicle probably doesn't have a jacking point for said Hi-Lift. Second... most of us have flexy suspensions (eventually). Well, you usually use the jack to change a tire. Well, your gonna have to go up a longgggg way to get that tire off the ground. I like the bottle jack on a board ... but 2x6 to make it wider and disperse the weight. I now take a floor jack. ... and! Hi-Lifts are down right scarey. Couldn't imagine using one if I had to go under the vehicle ... but my lift makes it so I don't really have to jack it up.
Go Fast Campers look pretty nice, but for me I have to have the tent separate from my vehicle because the wife likes to explore while camping so we need a basecamp.
Hi, I'm Michael from Germany. I really like your videos and get everytime more inspired when you show, actually what's worth and what's not, and all the other stuff do. I daily drive my 07 FJ Cruiser and build it up to an overlanding vehicle with a drawer system and, yes a rooftop tent. Thank you for your funny bloppers and your sense of humor. Go on like this!!!
Awesome, thank you!
I agree ! Companies use great marketing to sell you everything you don’t need at a price you can’t afford!
Yea I've never used my high lift jack but they look cool.lol. and I did have a rooftop tent . Had it about an year got rid of it went back to the ground tent. The problem I had with rooftop tents there not for old folks like me . I'm 60. And you guys are right climbing up and down during the night is a pain. Half asleep and climbing down a tent in the dark is a recipe for falling of the latter and breaking an hip. especially at my age. I should have known better since I been an orthopedic nurse for 30 years. Don't waste your money on a roof top tent especially when your 50 or older. Enjoyed the video.
I agree 100% with every point you make! I've been overlanding for 3+ years now, and I am very budget conscience about the gear I purchase - Not to mention that I'm also very weight conscience since I'm in a 7K Lb Ford Expedition! A rooftop tent is like a woman's purse . . . A $3000 designer purse doesn't do anything a $30 Wally-World purse can't do! LOL
The only point I was disappointed that you didn't cover was coolers . . . I have a $300 12V fridge/freezer that has paid for itself several times over in the savings from not needing to always buy ice, not to mention keeping food stored properly without getting soggy. My Chinese fridge/freezer works as well as a high-dollar name brand fridge; and it did cost less than most folks spend on a Yeti Cooler - and still need to purchase ice! LOL
I use a Gazelle T4 tent and it slides right into the back of my Tundra w/ 6.5 ft. bed. The Gazelle is plenty big for just me and the dog and I can stand up and change, I set up my Cleanwaste toilet, and it's big enough to set up a table/chair inside in case the weather is bad.
IMO, the two most important pieces of equipment for taking a vehicle off road in my opinion are skids and (if you travel as the only vehicle) a winch. too many off roaders have rutted roads, caused erosion exposing rocks... if you are in a stock(ish) vehicle, skid plates will save your drive train... I have already put a good size dent in my factory skid on an access road. (RCI skids are in my tacoma's future)... if you get stuck, you either need a friend to pull you out, or you need a winch. yes traction boards will get you out of some stucks, but not all. go pr4epared... take a friend along :)
Some examples of things I've done that are not overlanding approved:
I just put in a simple modular 3/4" ply sleeping platform without drawers in. No need for a RTT, and doubles as a storage area cover with the rear seats up when I'm not sleeping on it. Also about to put in a switch kit to pop the hatch and control the rear window and door locks right from the back. Not overlanding approved.
I carry a cheap 3gal pancake air compressor I picked up used on Craigslist, for airing back up after airing down. Hard mounted onboard air is great, but this works just fine. Not overlanding approved.
I study backpacking for my camping gear. Not only is it light weight and super compact, but I can throw it all in a pack and go hiking for days with all the same gear. Small, light, and multifunctional. Not overlanding approved.
I keep a 2lb fire extinguisher in the factory jack compartment. I used one this year when a car that a mechanic was test driving started on fire. I saw him while I was getting on the highway. Pulled over, ripped the extinguisher out of that compartment in 5 seconds, and we had the fire completely out within 30 seconds of me getting out of the 4Runner. Cheap, effective, and out of the way. Not overlanding approved.
5gal pail with snap on toilet seat lid, contractor bag, kitty litter, and water soluble blue porta potty scent eliminator tabs, set it all in a milk crate to keep it from falling over, and I've got a personal toilet at the ready to use outside, or even inside in a pinch. Not overlanding approved.
I have a 12ft x 14ft tarp that can be easily tied between the roof and a couple trees. Quick deploy awning without advertising it on the outside. Not overlanding approved.
I have homemade reflectix window covers to keep stuff hidden (including me) when parked, to keep heat out in the sun, and to keep the interior dark in the morning. Not overlanding approved.
I'm sure I've done more that I forgotten. Screw being cool, I just want to be out in the forest!
All you need is a desire for adventure, a tent, and a properly maintained/dependable vehicle.
YUP! Everything else will work its self out.
Well I don’t leave home without my hi lift. I never need it until I forget it. I don’t winch with it. I lift the entire front of my vehicle and push it out of whatever I’m in. Then I do the same out back. Boom unstuck.
Agreed with most of what you said here. We've been using the knock-off maxtracks for years with good success. I ditched the high-lift jack a while back and just use bottle jacks now. We like our awning a lot! It's the ARB and was very affordable and easy to deploy. We've never had any wind issues that caused us to panic. Probably similar to your tarp solution. You didn't ruffle any feathers about roof top tents, however, we've done both ground-tent and roof top tent. I will tell you I agree with some of the RTT comments when the RTT is mounted on a vehicle. We did that and hated it. When we moved the RTT to the adventure trailer it has been great and haven't had most of the issues you mentioned. It allows us to have a 'base camp'. We don't NEED most of this stuff to be "real" overlanders....but if you have the budget for it and want to use it, more power to yah. It's just like the Viair air compressor...Yes it's nice to have but do you need it or just want it? That's my $0.02. This is the first video I've seen from Wanderlost Overland. Keep up the good work and stay safe out there.
You make a lot of good points. None of this stuff is NECESSARY.
We use our Amazon traction boards and 99% of the time they do the trick to get us unstuck. As you said they are also good for leveling.
I don’t yet have funds for a winch and the hi-lift has worked as a winch each time we’ve needed it (and as a jack), but a winch is on the list.
We love our Ozark Trail ground tent. It’s been great in the rain etc, but cleaning up with the mud was quite inconvenient. We are planning to get an entry level RTT though. Opens up space inside the truck and we are hoping it’ll be a bit less messy.
So far the biggest perk of the ground tent is we put it under our awning 😂. We can pack up and set up while staying dry. It’s so convenient having a 270 awning. Also made camping in the rain much more enjoyable. We try to do everything as cheap as possible, but the awning is a splurge we were very happy with (after many trips without).
But you’re right, none of this stuff is necessary
I like setting up camp (tent) then heading off to watch sunset, or collect firewood, or go fishing, or whatever and have my truck driveable. And when I'm done camping I toss the tent in my garage.
My trailer does that too,
Thanks! Love this! You two are really the best down to earth people for this sort of thing. So many channels are dream channels like: Oh I hit the lottery now I get the XXX that costs thousands and I dropped 30k in cash on the truck. That's nuts.
Thanks!!!
Just did some camping at PINS and got to use my ROAM awning. Had it set up the whole time and it didn't move an inch even during the crazy winds day or night. Saw other peoples canopy's get torn up, flipped and destroyed.
I was really set on getting a roof top tent. After watching a few videos, I decided not to have the weight up on the roof, not limit myself to having to break camp to explore and not have the big wind break up top on my daily driver. I ended up buying a small adventure trailer with a tent on top. Solves most of my problems.
As for the awning, I like my 2.5m awning. It's way easier to set up than a tarp. It also has a screen room that quickly attaches if I happen to end up camping in a place with a lot of bugs. In Canada... there can be a LOT of bugs.
Other than those items, I agree it is better to get out there simply rather than spending your time building the "perfect rig". Every adventure can tell you what you need next time and what you brought that should have been left at home.
I've been sleeping in a roof top tent for going on a couple of years now, we went back to a ground tent for a night and instantly missed our roof top tent. I have an alucab, so, yea, pricey - but setup is fast, I keep my bedding in it, it saves me a ton of room inside my vehicle, comfortable, and can always have a level bed. The weight up top is not horrible, it hasn't kept me from going anywhere I want to go.
I also have the alucab awning, again, pricey but free standing, super fast setup and take down, stands up to some pretty serious wind.
For us, it's primarily about speed and storage space, if I can setup/packup fast I can cover a lot more ground.
We did the ground tent for years - going to a RTT was a game changer for us - but they are not required, I always tell people just grab a walmart tent and go, they work fine.
You’re right about the Hi-Lift. Bought one and was hoping to mount it to the roof rack. Hell no. It’s heavy, cumbersome, and trying to hoist it onto the roof rack is asking for trouble. Save yourself some money and get a bigger bottle jack.
I just mine for pulling out fence posts, would never take it offroad
I scrolled through the comments, and it's kinda easy to tell who has been using a roof top tent and who hasn't. There are some misconceptions for sure, but there is a big drawback that I've yet to see anyone mention.
The only "real" problem I've experienced with a roof top tent is clearance, between the rack and the tent my jeep sits quite a bit higher so tree's and branches are an issue. I have an antenna up front that is about the height of rig, so I can look out and if my antenna clears, I know the rest of me will too.
The other negative is you'll experience a ton more sway if your on stock or not so great shocks/springs/etc. If your setup is nice, it's not bad.
The biggest negative is cost, by far since you have to account for more than the tent.
Tent + proper rack + proper suspension = don't add that up because you'll hate yourself.
Are they needed - no
Are good ones nice, yes
Only think missing in this video is a couple of reference images to go along with the commentary. Loved the video! Look forward to more!
Rock rails and a Hi-Lift jack have saved me and my FJ three times...but not offroad. Road hazards have flattened one of my tires each time, and I have hard-core MT tires. I can hook my Hi-Lift on one of my rock rails (or in my Class 3 hitch receiver), lift the whole rig, and swap out a tire, without climbing underneath, in less than 10 minutes. I've also used my Hi-Lift and two tow straps as a come-along to winch a buddy's high-centered K5 out of a mud hole. The first time you find yourself in a situation where you have to drive through some heavy brush and/or push over some saplings to get through a bog, you'll be glad for those steel bumpers. For things you need, don't forget an axe, a shovel, first aid kit, a CB radio and a radar detector. For the ladies (and some "men"), don't forget a strong sports bra. (oYo) Great video.
LOL - being kind of a down to earth overlanding enthusiasts and also quite noobs at it - your choices basically described our gear: a Suzuki Grand Vitara 4x4 with also a low range, original jack, nice ground tent (and also a setup allowing to sleep inside of the vehicle), good set of AT tires, a gas cooker for hikers and a primus kettle and pan and that's mostly it 🙂 Also good thoughts on being respectful towards nature ❤️ SUBBED
With respect from Estonia!
After 3 years in RTTs, we switched to a Gazelle ground tent. Not a SINGLE regret
never had a RTT but I love my gazelle
Scottles Hahahahaha The guy that invented the Scottle is a marketing genius.
no... the guy who invented them was a different guy entirely from the marketing genius who took the idea and introduced most of us to them. Discadas have been around for quite some time before the scottle was "invented"
Re: Farm Jack, mine has been useful for being high centered while rock crawling.
Re: RTT, not to mention if your intentions are to go off-roading, you’ll have to pack the tent before heading for a trail...
Re: electrical, ensure your alternator delivers enough amps to handle the extra loads. Also proper gauge wiring.
Re: tires, good point on tires. Extreme off road tires are fine if your vehicle is a toad vehicle. If you drive with them, they are extremely noisy and more often than not hard to balance.
Thank you for your inputs, regardless of readers feelings your point are on point!
Best thing about a quality (hard shell) RTT is the speed (6 secs) of setup and pull down (90 secs). As for your “bears can climb” comment, they can also get shot in the face easier with a RTT. :)
Lol love it. Especially the rant on roof top tents. For many people it’s all about the gram… keep up the great content.
Good point about the roof top tent. I never understood why you would want to tie your base camp to your vehicle. If you wanna go exploring for the day and come back, that option is exponentially complicated.
I remember car camping with my family all over the UK and the European continent driving a used Datsun 510 and pulling a small trailer packed with camping gear; tent, sleeping bags for the five of us, a two burner stove, beach chairs, inner tubes to float on and other simple needs. I recall buying this trailer and all of the aforementioned gear from an English friend for less than $300. We had a blast. Nowadays, people are spending thousands on RTT's, fancy stoves, refrigerators, and whatever...it's like keeping up with the Joneses in the woods. Then you add an expensive 4X4 vehicle, lift kit, wench, tires...omg, where does it end?! What's the current terminology...glamping? I've been backpacking for over 63 years and I still fill a small backpack with simple needs and spend a night, sometimes two nights out with less than 20 pounds pack weight including food and water and have a great experience in the wilderness. Training, common sense and good judgment will keep you safe out there. I've car camped with people who arrived in a Prius, brought a tent, sleeping bags, a small cooler, a backpacking stove and other necessities and they enjoyed the outdoor experience as much as I did.
Put an RTT on a lifted vehicle, add a little weight on the back for cans of water or fuel, maybe add a filled solar shower. Then drive down the interstate at 70 mph and make an evasive maneuver around suddenly-stopped traffic. You'll discover a major downside of that high center of gravity.
Been there done that, no issues - but my vehicle is setup properly with aftermarket suspension etc.
Base on your input about rooftop tent (RTT). i think you have not own RTT yet.. Get yourself a hardshell roof top tent and it will change mind 360 degree.
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They'd be down a few grand and would be back to the same place. Perhaps you meant 180 degrees?
I've used a RTT for about 6 nights in the past year (borrowed), and I'd pass on it. It takes 2 or 3 mins to deploy but takes like 10 to put away because of how compact it is. It is nice to instantly deploy and have a mattress but for long term use, it's a pass. They're nice, but ground tents are a fraction of the price & have better materials.
@@bring_it_on9934 BTW its a tepui soft, so can't comment on the hard shell.
Well, if I tried a hard shell RTT, I think it would change my mind about them 360 degrees, which would have me "circle back" to the "RTT is a solution to a non-problem while creating many problems" camp.
It wouldn't change my mind about them, at all.
Holy! I'm only at 6:50 and this one has got me going! But not in the "pissed off way" you mentioned, but more of a "Oh My God, YESSS!" I SO totally agree... SCOTTLES!? Pfffft, What EVERRR. This is a great one guys.
I am 99.9% with you. I ground tent when it is just my son and I, but we have a Sylvansport Go for the whole family trips (which I lifted with matching OEM wheels and tires to my GX). I have GoTreads vice MaxTrax, but I do have legit bridging ladders from Crux Offroad as well. I have no lift right now as I can go everywhere, but I do also carry an ARB X-Jack in addition to the factory bottle jack. I did get a 270 awning, but man is it pissing me off with arms breaking and the fabric is completely deteriorating in the AZ sun. You may have convinced me to go with the tarp vice a different 270 awning.
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I bought a RTT about a year ago. It’s definitely a nice tent, spacious and comfortable, but it creates more hassles overall then convenience. A huge one for me is that once the RTT it set up, your vehicle is stuck there. Let’s say an emergency arises, you’re stuck. Or let’s say you just want to do some midnight off-roading, which is quite fun, well you really can’t realistically do that. Unless you’re willing to spend dang near 4 grand on a tent, it’s really no better than a ground tent at anything, and then has a bunch of downsides. In the short time I’ve had this tent it’s torn in two places and the metal bars that it came with broke one night that it rained a lot and water pooled on the rain fly. Not exactly what you want out of a 1300 tent. I come from vanlife and that was the ultimate in terms of freedom of travel, only thing was my van couldn’t off-road. Now I have an off-road ready rig, and I thought the RTT would have been the solution, but it’s just come with more trouble than it’s worth and not that much benefit. Currently I’m buying a topper for my truck bed and going to build out a platform for my mattress with 6ft drawers underneath. No setup time at all, you arrive and you’re ready.
love the honesty.
Some gear is just ridiculously expensive... I saw an outdoor toilet for $850, that spin wraps your.. ahem, ah...droppings shall we say, in plastic. for $850...
keep up the great work, love the channel.
that is insane. homer bucket and plastic bags is the way to go.
You're right. I've used many different types of knock off recovery boards. They don't last. Maxtrax extreams are amazing.
I personally love sleeping out of my high top canopy with a sleeping platform, park and go right to bed. It blocks out 95% of all the elements and retains more heat.
Best RTT is the GFC Superlite. It’s pretty much exactly what you described.
I have a Superlite and it is AWESOME. I will NEVER sleep on the ground again. If I’m not in the Superlite I’ll be in my hammock.
Love it. Practical, down to earth advice. Functionality over form, every time.
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I really like you guys, your straight shooters. Much appreciated
Thanks, much appreciated!
A good “x” ton jack, plus several 2x4’s to make cribbing works very well, than pulling out a heavy and dangerous hi-lift jack.
I would to say I liked your comments on the hi-lift, I have one and still carry it. But I have carried it for 20 years and found use for it enough not to abandon it.
I probably use it once or twice a year at most, and the last time was a tire in big hole that put the rear axle on the ground when old wooden culvert collapsed. The hi-lift with the tire hooks let me get the tire up and stuff under it with ease, I still could have done it with a shovel and bottle jacket it just would have been far more work.
As you noted unless you intend take the time to maintain and practice with them, and buy some the additional bits that make them a bit easier to use just pass. Most tasks can be done with other tools.
A lot of good information. Thank You… I love my Ikamper 2.0 …Yes a bit pricey but for me it’s worth it…
Over landing in australia is pretty much the same. Too many people think they need all the latest gadgets to get out there. Some very valid points. Cheers!
Hey!!! I bought my swag in Australia and brought it back with me!!! The best purchase ever!!!! 😜😜😜
I'm watching this sitting on the throne after drinking my bowel prep
Made me question my need for an awning. Thank you
No problem 👍
Great topic! Thanks for sharing. I enjoy your videos, and look forward to seeing y'all out on the trails.
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Thanks for being straight. I agree about the RTT. Being a ground tent user the only advantage that makes me wish I had an RTT is camping when it is wet and muddy where being up off the ground can be helpful. But unless I have an adventure trailer or something I would hate to be driving around town with a 200 lb tent mounted on my roof. Which traction boards do ya'll use?
Try using X-bull traction boards gen 2 super durable, half the price of maxtrax comes with cloth case and mounting hardware for a rack. Find on ebay or amazon.
At the end of the day it's not so much about the gear per se, it's about getting out & exploring. Sure, some gear could make it easier & offer more creature comforts, but necessary? Nahhh. Get out bc adventure is calling! 🤙-Josh
There you go! Well said!💪
YES!!! Skottles are a total rip off! Rooftop tents are a joke! A lot of this "stuff" is only designed to part a person from their money. And youtubers who get the stuff for free and then give it a glowing review are really just making a commercial. The only problem is that a lot of people dont realize they are watching a commercial because the youtuber doesnt tell them they got the product for free in exchange for the review. Some youtubers have a set fee schedule for doing product reviews for companies to get a good review of their product. Its really tricky to know whether you are watching a real video like this one or if you are watching a commercial.
Rooftop tent and why I use it: Music festival camping, I have a limited space to park and camp, so building up is better than building out. So we can now have a 10X10 to give us shade and such. For offroading, I'd rather sleep on the ground tent or in the 4Runner
Love my iKamper but I could afford it. Setup and break down in minutes. Just went through 35+ MPH wind (60 mph gust) then rain. And tent and annex were awesome.
I loved your comment on the tent .I bought a iKamper it is very expensive ,definitely not worth the money . It is large enough for two adults and two small children my daughters love it . I don’t , this is why I have a very good ground tent . Great in rain ,wind,and also cold weather and the pee factor is huge . The roof top tent will go on sale if my daughters allow it . I don’t comment on many of your blogs but I watch all of them
Thanks for watching Mike!!!
Roofnest hard shell is the bomb. Nalgen for AM bio breaks. Coffee and dry breakfast so no need to go down the ladder. Set up in the dark. Heater & lights in a crate and breakfast tray. My backpacking has been reduced as I age. Also, have a reenforced canopy to support weight.
I think I own all of the things you say I don't need, except the RTT - we have a Teardrop Trailer. But again each person will adapt to the environment and the need. So you are right a car with a cheap tent and you can get out there, just choose where you go. thanks for the list.
I agree with everything and would add a snorkel to the top of the list. I also see roof racks as a real scam. I have a flat, mesh, aluminum, full-size ARB rack. It is mesh and flat so I can attach anything to it with straps and tie-downs. I do not need all the fittings and attachments for everything I want to add. I know people who have spent $7,000 on roof racks including all the attachments for accessories.
Spot on. One other thing about the RTT is that you cannot create a home base from which to go exploring. Gotta pack it up each time, P.I.T.A. One luxury I did splurge on was the Dometic Fridge and a dual battery system. Game changer for sure especially when you are out there for more than just a day or two. Better food, colder beer, ice for cocktails and ice cream after a hot day in the desert. No soggy bottom veggies or food.
Two great points on the RTT and a fridge!
My thule rtt is awesome. I've spent many years on ground and will never go back...I love my TREEHOUSE
The only thing I disagree are the skid plates. If you run on snow packed forest roads you never know when you will sink in or what's below the snow waiting for damaging your drivetrain. Otherwise you are spot on. However, I switched from ground tent or car camping to a teardrop camper.
You two have plenty of good advice here. I have been camping for most of my life. The past year or so has been getting more adventurous. But, running things on a budget, I look for places that are just a little further out than most people, not trying to get somewhere no one has ever seen before. Like you mentioned, a decent vehicle and a good set of tires gets me to 95% of my intended destinations.
Keep up the good vids ... and the goofy digs that you give to each other. LOL
Thanks! and thanks for watching
Well...you got me on all the don't needs, lol. I love yawls' channel! Thanks for being who you guys are! I learned a lot over the last few years from you guys.
I love my rooftop tent, but I 100% agree they are not at all a necessity and anyone on a tight budget should avoid them in my opinion. The cost isn't just the purchase price. It'll hit mpg and depending on the tent design is can be a BIG MPG HIT. The main reason I like mine is that when I set it up my bed is already there and ready for me to jump into. Overall I definitely agree that a ground tent is a better option for people new to overlanding or on a tight budget. Plus a ground tent can be used for different types of camping as well. You can't use a rooftop tent at a walk in campsite.
First off love all the vids and subscribed to your channel after the first video i saw.. I do appreciate the info as im just starting out...I mean I'm still getting my 02 sequoia maintenance ALL done by me and with 3 kids its a very slow process. Again with 3 young kids(oldest being 7) money is tight so I'm always trying to figure out what I can diy instead of spending the money. Thanks for the advise and can't wait for more videos
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Man.... 40 mph winds out here in west texas and I've never had an issue with my ARB awning.... proper staking and tie downs work.... I guess your milage will verry.
You got it on RTT’s as a preference for that the treehouse feel.
Even assuming no critters can get up there, I’d bet the frequency of people being injured by animals in their ground tent is way less than people getting injured getting in and out (ladder) of their RTT per use.
Two things:
1) Had an RTT for one season. Climbing up and down in the middle of the night a pain. Maybe ok protection from snakes in the tent but that's it. Also as someone else pointed out; if you set up basecamp, you have to pack up to go anywhere while you are there, so why bother. Switched to Gazelle T-4, Love it.
2) Love my MaxxTraxx, BUT, they were a Christmas gift, so technically they were free! Can't beat the price. 🙂
Great advice, I appreciate your honesty, I absolutely agree with your opinions. Thanks
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Great content!!! I appreciate your point of view.
Glad you enjoyed it!
And a ground tent lets you leave camp set up to go wheel if you're staying in the same general area for a while. Roof tents have to be broken down and set back up every time you need to use the vehicle.
So does my trailer with the RTT mounted to it
Been doing that for years, not really an issue, especially with a hard shell. I can have camp "packed up" before breakfast is even ready.
Excellent video as usual. 100% agree with the Maxtrax and Skottles. Greatest marketing scam of the 21st century. Also agree with the RTT and awning segments. The only thing I don't agree with is the HiLift. I prefer the Hilift over the bottle jack.