Reviewing Every Doctor Who Story - Episode 4: The Tom Baker Era
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- The scarf man cometh!
And thus, the silly internet man revieweth!
From Eldrad to Erato, Sutekh to Scaroth and Davros to... well Davros again really, but with a tattier mask, it's time for this series to cover the Tom Baker era in a completely normal and sensible video. Honest, guv.
This time, apologies are due to the test card girl (again), the James Bond film franchise and roughly 9.6m square kilometres of Asia (no prizes for guessing what story prompts this).
And special thanks to DanTheMan 2150AD for allowing me to use parts of the music suites they assembled as background music - check out their channel here: / @dantheman2150ad
No animals were harmed in the making of this video.
May contain nuts.
In loving memory of the 34 seconds of video sacrificed to get this bad boy uploaded. May choirs of angels sing you to your rest.
Chapters
0:00:00 - Intro
0:02:25 - Robot
0:05:52 - The Ark In Space
0:07:55 - The Sontaran Experiment
0:11:13 - Genesis Of The Daleks
0:14:09 - Revenge Of The Cybermen
0:19:02 - Terror Of The Zygons
0:22:25 - Planet Of Evil
0:25:04 - Pyramids Of Mars
0:27:57 - The Android Invasion
0:31:00 - The Brain Of Morbius
0:35:07 - The Seeds Of Doom
0:40:53 - The Masque Of Mandragora
0:44:04 - The Hand Of Fear
0:47:05 - The Deadly Assassin
0:50:39 - The Face Of Evil
0:52:52 - The Robots Of Death
0:55:33 - The Talons Of Weng-Chiang
1:01:59 - Horror Of Fang Rock
1:05:08 - The Invisible Enemy
1:07:42 - Image Of The Fendahl
1:10:04 - The Sun Makers
1:13:33 - Underworld
1:16:29 - The Invasion Of Time
1:19:36 - The Ribos Operation
1:22:37 - The Pirate Planet
1:26:06 - The Stones Of Blood
1:28:24 - The Androids Of Tara
1:31:19 - The Power Of Kroll
1:34:24 - The Armageddon Factor
1:38:10 - Destiny Of The Daleks
1:44:05 - City Of Death
1:46:48 - The Creature From The Pit
1:50:39 - Nightmare Of Eden
1:53:22 - The Horns Of Nimon
1:56:53 - Shada
2:00:21 - The Leisure Hive
2:05:13 - Meglos
2:08:57 - Full Circle
2:11:50 - State Of Decay
2:14:27 - Warriors' Gate
2:17:27 - The Keeper Of Traken
2:21:17 - Logopolis
2:24:56 - Outro
Don’t care what anyone says. Talons Of Weng Chiang is Doctor Who at its best. Been my all time favourite story since I first seen it many years ago.
It is an excellent story, well-written, well-acted, and even the things that people complain about now make sense in the context of the story and the period the story is set in.
@@ColossusProductions Horror is another great one. I would probably have it just below but it is very close.
@@markbrooks8623 Indeed.
Definitely one of my favs too!!!
Agreed. This story has it all. The cherry on top is Jago and Lightfoot. Hinchcliff went out on top.
Talons of WC is my favourite.
I admit I love Talons. It's a great story. Talons and Robots Of Death are my favorite stories. If I only had 5 Who stories to watch I would choose Talons, Robots, 5 Doctors, Stones Of Blood and The Visitation.
I would choose robots pyramids stones city of death nightmare of eden*
@@davidbailis8415 Very good choices also.
@@Seeker22000 Thank You
Same, but ‘Robots,’ just beats out ‘Talons,’ for me.
I was with you until The Visitation. It's so bad that I'd almost consider giving up DW over watching it again.
Saddened to learn of the death of Chris Boucher. He crafted some amazing moments of television and will be fondly remembered by all Who fans.
Man this channel deserves so much more attention than it gets.
these are fantastic reviews.
Thank you, you're very kind. Means a lot, it really does :)
@@AlReviewsWho No problem! You should see if you can be a guest on one of Mr Tardis' streams or something! I don't always agree with your opinions (I think Ribos is fantastic ;) ) but these are great, punchy and well-presented reviews.
Looking forward to 5-7!
@@vorebiz Agree! This is really good content, lovingly and thoughtfully put together. I've only just discovered it too. Al deserves much more exposure. (And I love 'Ribos' too... ;0)
I noticed several times you say the final episode of a story is a bit of a letdown. Fair enough, especially when you view the stories, as I presume you as a young classic Who viewer did, all at once. Don't forget they were not meant to be watched like that. It was one 25 minute episode once a week. As a child watching this at the time (I'm 55 now) I was never let down by the final episode cos I could barely remember the previous episode properly as a whole week of life and TV viewing had happened in the meantime. (this was before VHS recorders) All I was aware of at the time was that this was another episode of my favourite TV series and I loved it.
Yeah there's a couple of stories here I find this with (Pyramids, Hand and to a much lesser extent Deadly and Face), mostly because I find the rest of the episodes of those stories to be so good. I've rarely actually found watching the stories all in one go to harm them (although that is the only way I've ever done the classics, and the new series stuff after first broadcast for that matter), but I see your point that maybe these episode fours can suffer for me coming immediately after such good episodes one to three.
@@AlReviewsWho Chipping in here I do think that all those you've mentioned are vaild for episode four slump, but imo it's because our expectations of conclusions in film/tv are for pace and budget to always increase to a very high pitch, which they obviously can't in this case. Most of those impressive with their style and pace from moment one and that effect wears off by part four
Great run through. Has inspired me to go back and re watch some of these episodes. Thank you
Regarding Talons, the BBC were still making The Black & White Minstrel Show at the time, so there is that.
The whole of the Tom Baker era condensed into 2 and a half hours? Damn, bravo sir. While I don’t agree with a lot of your opinions on certain stories, it’s certainly a joy to watch regardless.
Cool to see new uploads about classic who on UA-cam still
Overall, good reviews. People need to relax on Talons though. This or any other media from way back needs to be judged by the reality of the time, not the lens of now. Who knows how future generations will view representations in today's media?
I agree 👍
Probably “oh my god, is that all the people of the early 21st century could complain about when the world they were actually living in was so f*cked up??!”
Loved this. Best era of Who, no doubt about it. Interesting how my opinions mostly match your own.
My favourites in this era: Brain of Morbius, Robots of Death, City of Death, Warrior's Gate.
Talons is a great story. Doctor Who was a product of its time. Most shows made poor choices in the 50’s 60’s 70’s and sometimes 80’s I still thing it’s one of the best.
They were not poor choices. They were likely the only choices available. Either that or not make any story involving other ethnicities and then we wouldn't have got Marco Polo (or what's left of it)
@@The_MongooseYou (deliberately, I suspect) misunderstand. the critique isn't *just* that it was a white person pretending to be Asian. It was the deliberate depiction of Asian people as villains and criminals in Talons of WC. Having a white person in the role *might* be understandable (and it isn't by the way), there is no excuse for the demonization of Asian people. It wasn't like people in the 70's didn't know that what they thought was a prejudicial and racist belief.
You've managed to do the impossible and surpassed the Pertwee era review video and it only makes me excited for Davidson
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you enjoyed. I'm rather looking forward to putting the Davison video together, already got a fair few pages of notes for it (gave me something to do while this one was uploading over and over again!)
That opening is so weird and funny XD
Tom Baker: *LOOK INTO MY MOUTH*
I’ll admit, I laughed out loud when “Talons” came up and you said “Ohhh, F*CK.” 😂
I think you addressed the issue very well, though, and your video overall was very entertaining! Really loving these retrospectives!
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this :) Fantastic video as always.
Hope you enjoy - it's been a nightmare getting it up!
@@AlReviewsWhoI’m glad I’m not the only one who loves The Android Invasion. I knew nothing about it going in, and I was incredibly surprised how eerie and unsettling the story is. It’s my favourite story of Season 13!
Thank you for your video, this is my first watch and will continue to watch the rest, good job 😃
Excellent, what a treat for the weekend! I just need time to watch - but looking forward to doing so hugely.
A favorite is the Stones Of Blood, funny thing was as a child we did a school trip to Avebury just after the episode where the campers touched the stone and died . Non of us wanted to touch any of the stones!
I’ve been waiting for this!! Can’t wait to watch!!
Another great video Al. Thank you. 🙂
Didn't even notice the cat dancing to the Meglos music until it was filling half the screen and it genuinely shit me up for a second
Can only apologise 🤣 Always loved that music since I first saw the clip!
This is an excellent series of reviews,, and certainly thoroughly researched, I thought I knew quite a bit about original Who but I've learnt a lot from each one so far
If people want to tie themselves in self-righteous knots over Talons they should answer the question was it 'right' for some born in Yorkshire dress up in a Kilt and sporran and effect a cod Scots accent.
The answer for those hard of thinking is - it's called acting. In neither case are they seeking to be derogatory or to denigrate.
Great era review 👍 the one thing which always struck me The Image of the Fendhal it always to me felt like a 3rd Doctor story - it's one of my faves of this era
Talons is my favourite, yes it has a English actor playing a Chinese man but this was common practice back in the day, Boris Karloff, Warner Oland , Christopher Lee, Peter Sellers and Nicolas Cage have all portrayed Fu Manchu a character that Li H’sen Chang is loosely based on (certainly his costume design and general look). The younger generation offended by everything, get over your self ( you do realise that the story is set in Victorian times and amazingly people did not speak how they do today, they used many different terms for people from different countries, it does not make it right but ‘shocker’ that’s how it was), times have changed but sadly not all for the better, we certainly are not living in enlightened times, far from it. Other favourites would be Genesis of the Daleks, The Seeds of Doom, Pyramids of Mars, Robots of Death, Horror of Fang Rock and City of Death. Tom Baker was my doctor, I turned 5 years old during the original broadcast of Robot, but I had watched Jon Pertwee’s last few stories as I clearly remember watching The Green Death, the giant maggots giving me nightmares as a small child.
I watched Fu Manchu with my Chinese grandfather. I just think white people who don't have any other cultural influence in their life just assume everyone gets offended as much as they do lol. They really don't.
I totally agree with today’s generation getting offended over Caucasian ACTORS playing characters of other cultures.
They really need to get over it.
A fantastic look at this wonderful era of Who. Talons IMHO, is the best of the era - watched it with a Chinese friend of mine and he thought it was brilliant he didn't comment on yellow face and added when asked about lack of asian actors he replied 'well it's 1977 after all ' things were VERY different and it's folly to watch shows from this era with hyper sensitivities of 2023 - where now anything or anyone is offensive - I fear the subjective moral hysteria predominantly seems to be from white liberals rather than the ethnic demographic it self crusades for. The blend of Fu Manchu and Holmes is perfection. Talons is followed closely by Robots of Death and it was a shame D84 wasn't a companion. Although my favourites are ambassadors of death and Inferno and season 7 as a whole - perfect. Anyway I am looking forward to more, especially New Who, as it's when I stopped watching the show - after Tennant, really. It's also when the show became convoluted so you're capsule reviews will be enlightening. The only sad thing about the review is arguably compared to modern Who is how new who pales in comparison. Baker was the personification of the timelord - often imitated but never surpassed. TV Gold really. Oh and as you absolutely loved Android Invasion. 'These aren't real trees......and you're not the real Sarah...' Classic and underrated. Keep up the amazing work - I know how long it takes to put it all together and the dedication needed. Superb job. Best 🦀
Oh dear, looks like Talons Of Weng Chiang has been cancelled!
And now in 2024 Davros has fallen the same way 😂.
It's been a while but I'm sure this will be worth the wait.
Hope you enjoy. Sorry, I know I'm a bit slow with these 😂
My take on the controversy of Talons: 1) It is a product of both the time it portrays...Victorian London and the time it was made, the mid 1970s Britain, so I dont really get why people get so out of joint about it. It really kills me that people who don't even have a dog in the fight get offended. I haven't actually heard any Asian or Irish person voice offense. It is accurate in the attitudes it displays of both Victorian and 1970s England. 2) There really wasn't many if any available Asian actors who could have played Li'Sin as brilliantly. I personally have tired of art being dismissed and cancelled when people get offended. I just wish people would get over themselves but maybe I see things differently being a Gen Xer born in 1969 and not a member of these overly easily offended more current generations.
Great work - thank you ❤
Seconded!
Indeed, the cameo of Blofeld's cat during "Meglos" had me falling out of my chair 🤣. So many moments in the review were great. But nothing had me so caught off-guard. That will never get old.
I really enjoyed Revenge of the Cybermen serial it was one of first stories I watched (alongside Death to the Daleks) on VHS as a nine year old, one Christmas back in the day.
There's absolutely no reason why an actor can't take on another ethnicity. In fact acting is their job.
That argument would fly if there was an equal chance that an Asian actor could have played Jago or Lightfoot. But we don't live in a world of race-blind casting - we live in a world where BAME actors can usually only play roles specifically written for people of their ethnicity, while white actors are considered for any role.
@Talisguy And yet a casual perusal of, say, the RSC or the National Theatre, to say nothing of current year casting, would indicate little barrier to minority presence in roles that often explicitly call for whites.
Absolutely. This belief that a Caucasian actor cannot ACT the part of a character of another culture is idiotic. Which part of acting do they not understand?
Fantastic review! Hope your channel grows as it deserves.
Love these reviews!!
good stufffffff,,, looks like i've watched the 1st 2 of this series but i think i'll watch it all again from hartnell
Yes it’s finally here great job
You can have good episodes or not-so-good episodes, but the one thing you can never be is boring.
And with Tom Baker at the helm, Doctor Who was never boring
I wish he had a more epic death than just falling from a great height though
Excellent review of the great Tom Baker era, the only downside to it, was the over-the-top review of the excellent Talons! Don’t be so PC!!!
Talons of Weng Chiang is a fave of mine.
No I don't care about thin skinned jokebags hehe
Okay! I made it one hour and thirty one minutes before I commented. I love your attitude man. You put a ton of work into this video and I appreciate the ride.
Amazing video. Watched all 4 of these and had tons of fun going through the stories with you.
What 34 seconds ended up on the cutting room floor?
Thanks. It was about Elisabeth Sladen being particularly good in Seeds of Doom - but the clip I used when discussing it ("You're not complete unless you've got a gun in your hand" from Part Five) meant it had to go ☹️
Fantastic editing mate
I'm glad some of my own preferred favourites got some nice love here. Especially Android Invasion. I also can easily relate to the love of the music in both Leisure Hive and Logopolis.
Your apparent appreciation for the ONE part of the Warriors Gate which totally turns me off from bothering to watch it...ehhh, we can't be perfectly aligned, can we?
Great review
I really love how Douglas Adams re-purposed much of his Shada script in "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency". Especially in the superbly cast radio drama, where Chronotis sounds and acts very like the 1st Doctor, Dirk Gently sounds like 3 and acts much like 4, and Dirk's secretary is (coincidentally) reminiscent of the early, shrill Donna Noble from "The Runaway Bride".
The best part of Fang Rock: Max Headroom. Seriously, that infamous pirate broadcast should be included on the season box set. What, are the hacker pirates going to sue?
Dang. I loved your previous two videos for content and video editing/presentation, but this one tops them all with little nuances that all come across as highly professional!
Yeah, 60s cybermen were best when all is said and done, but Capaldi's finale really hits the spot.
Davison is my favorite Doctor... if not 🫣 Colin 😶🌫️. That said, Tom is invariably the definitive article. 😁
Android Invasion is a poor substitute of Zygon Invasion, and I always got the impression Courtney did not want to reprise the role, with Faraday being given his lines.
Philip Madoc never ceases to compel, and he really added a lot to the Cushing movie.
42 stories. I wonder if Douglas Adams time- traveled to the future, did the final tally, then came up with "42 is life, the universe, and everything. " 😏
I had to skip around, but I promise to get to the other stories!
Stones of Blood - who doesn't like sausage sandwiches? 😁
Leisure Hive is a classic. Never understood most complaints it got. It has a bold new style. Loaded with substance, unless concepts like genocide, radiation destroying the environment, sterilization, ritual suicide, racism, tachyons, fiber optics and other leading edge technology, etc, are all somehow "lightweight". The episode recaps are too long, and yet every rewatch, I discover something new in it. Scared me outright as a kid, but remained interesting enough to revisit and, for me, it only gets better each time. Apart from the long recaps. But, yeah, I can't deny it takes a lot of themes and doesn't do as much as it could. It still has that emphasis on style... forgot to add, "ARREST THE SCARF THEN! 😁" has got to be the best quip of all time.
Oh, 2:06:35 🧐🤯😅🤣😂🤣😅🏆 That RULED! 👍 😅😍😸😻
2:18:19 you did it again 👏 🤗😅
I appreciate that they made a callback to Four's speech in Genesis of the Daleks by planting Twelve directly into that exact situation with a young Davros himself as the subject of the dilemma.
I wouldn’t worry about The Talons of Weng-Chiang, it’s a product of its time. It is not done with malice or with the modern eyes of these days. It’s a timestamp of television history. This is the 70’s and much worse was done on the BBC in 2003 with Little Britain and Ting-Tong or Cathrine Tait as the world’s worst interpreter. So have a cuppa and enjoy it for what it is.
On a personal note - Destiny of the Daleks was the first memory I have of the show. As a 5 year old watching a Dalek burst through a pulsating wall as a cliffhanger.
Aww this is glorious , just stumbled across it, so many things to say , but actually, yes, I’ve never been as Ark in Space as so many other people are I think I’ve grown to love it more ep 1 , I’m a huge s17 and Destiny fan , I don’t know why it never thought about that slip up with them being robots, but I think I also have always taken it that it’s the Dalek battle computers that are in the stalemate Nott that the Daleks are just robots, absolutely loving your reviews and I will watch all the other ones too
Really, REALLY good video. 👍👍
1:59:47 How wonderful to see Tom back in costume as a older man. Very reminiscent of 1st doctor.
My head canon for the upcoming danger in the Key to Time serial was the approaching entropy in Logopolis. Since the Doctor never got it to the White Guardian, it wasn't able to be prevented. Which I guess would mean that the Doctor caused his own regeneration.
35:55 "The first couple of times, I thought it was pretty good. The third time, I thought it was bloody brilliant! And the fourth time, I... didn't enjoy it very much at all."
Jesus! That is some highly detailed recall you've got going on there. I've seen plenty of movies and TV episodes 5 times and more, but I couldn't tell ya how I felt about any of them the third time I saw them vs. the fourth time. I can't tell you how I felt about the movie Alien the 10th time I watched it vs. the 20th time. My guess is it was probably about the same though.
6:21 for me The Arc In Space was a favorite due to the sheer body horror of parasitic space wasps transforming you while you're still alive, and there's nothing you can do...couldn't get enough of it!
If you want some stories that deal with Nyssa, especially around Traken and her father, I recommend 'Primeval' from the Main Range and the Short Trip 'Garden of the Dead'. 'Primeval' has her and Five return to Traken in a time before it was destroyed and 'Garden of the Dead' shows a lot of her emotional state around the Tremas Master.
This area of the Doctor Who was always my favorite, Thomas Baker s Doctor who brought a unique perspective on the series. Hies speech in the Ark in Space was one of my favorite speeches in the doctor who series!
I always thought that Tom Baker's doctor called the cybermen "Total Machine Creatures" so as to make it easier on his companions and keep the body horror for them to a minimum. Tom Baker was MY doctor. And I thought Pyramid of Mars was the best of season 13. It actually scared the ever-living sh*t out of me as a kid.
"Eldrad Must Live"
The Talons of Weng-Chiang is a period piece and racism existed in the past. To say, "Oh, we can't talk about that" is to ignore that it happened and to invite it to happen again. In fact, I would postulate that the rabid "anti-racists" have gone so far as to become the very racists they claim to hate so much. But honestly, I don't see how it's all that bad. It portrays the Asians as having taken over the world at one point and invented time travel. Not very GOOD time travel, but still, it WORKED, didn't it? I don't count that as a slam against Asians. If anything, it highlighted the problems of the age, which is GOOD. if we ignore our past and pretend it didn't happen, then change it to fit "modern audiences", then all you are doing is stealing thunder from the current day.
1:06:02 "passing thought"
Even in sci fi, they used the common real world assumption that the brain's physical reactions are thoughts. The electrochemical reaction is not the thought, itself. Thoughts are products of the mind, which is not physical.
Planet of Evil is my favorite. Never got tired of it.
Tom baker is my dads doctor and now my dads favourite doctor is Jon Pertwee because during lockdown I watched loads of classic Dr who and new who with my dad and I watched alot of tom baker and I got introduced to the first doctor era and the second Doctor era and classic Dr who
Watching Troughton and Pertwee will have that sort of effect 😁
Of course, the most important question was not addressed: Mary Tamm Romana in that flimsy white gown or Lalla Ward Romana in a schoolgirl uniform? At the time, this was the most important Doctor Who question, and as far as I know the arguments continue.
Mary Tamm!
Wait, was that thing about contact lenses true? Is that why Leela was always blinking? Annoyed me so much!
Yeah for her first four stories she was made to wear brown contact lenses as the name Leela apparently means "dark eyed beauty". Jameson found them very uncomfortable and when Williams took over as producer she convinced him to let her ditch them, which was written in to Fang Rock
@@AlReviewsWho Oh, I didn't even think contacts existed at that time! Now I feel bad that she annoyed me for that reason. Uncomfortable contacts are awful to deal with. I'm sorry, Leela!
I think talons was awesome. Imagine a world where you are afraid to say that you enjoyed something because a group of people tell you it's racist. Like if someone said "I like the Klan" I could see that differently but an episode of a tv show that pokes fun at it?
ive been a "normal people" until the last weeks. If you asked me Dr. Who looked like Tenant with a long scarf.
Genesis I remember vaguely watching it on BBC Two in late 90s or early 2000. This was before i was a doctor who fan back in the day, I was 4 years old and the family just happened to have it on. I can’t fully remember if it scared me but I do remember the cliffhanger for part 4 and the giant clams. Also City of Death use to scare me as a kid, especially the cliffhanger for part 1.
I think the reason arkin space gets a lot of love from fans is probably due to the fact that it was one of the first VHS releases so most are blinded by nostalgia
Being the 19th release of 6 years
@@dddayesq5061 I love Dominators
I wish we'd get a sequel already
Honestly, there isn't much lore on them so theyd be perfect to bring back and make a finale villain same with a couple of other villains that didn't get much love before
The trinity (daleks cybermen master) is old and tired, my idea, daleks get a 3 episode series every year so they can become a credible threat only to appear in the pilot series to be defeated, they need it, cybermen need time away for a decent story to be written and master needs a break as there has been too much reliance on the character
The a class villains need a break as a third of the new stuff is practically them only
Give the b class villains a chance, Dominators are perfect for this like I said, how about axos and the wirrn finally getting a new story (I know big finish did some)
I get that ark in space is bad, but believe it or not supposedly there's a major missing scene, like the arrival scene in terror of the zygons we recently got to see
I'm a New Who convert, so I got to know Sarah Jane that way and learned the history after the fact. She was so beautiful and I couldn't believe she had been on the show so many years ago! I fell in love with her instantly in the newer eps and I couldn't wait to see her earlier episodes. I was heartbroken when I learned Elisabeth Sladen had died. I felt like I had just "met" her. I can't imagine how sad it was for long time fans.
She was stunning with Pertwee
No wonder Tom Baker as the fourth Doctor is so iconic. His run of stories is full of bangers and even the weaker ones are not really outright bad.
Tom Baker is my favorite and I always remember the E-Space arc as being especially interesting. Key to time too but in retrospect I agree it's not a terribly good/satisfying pay off for the ending. (Although a very Doctor move to just subvert the whole thing by breaking it back into pieces.)
The Assassin Master’s “craven-hearted” line has had its audio cleaned up. I distinctly remember that “The Watcher” column in DWM (late 90s I think) described the line as “honestly unprintable”. I watched my VHS and it really does sound like he calls him a “spineless CUNT”. It’s a shame that technology has deprived future generations of these unintended expletives. Still, Bill Hartnell’s classic irascible fluff “STOP BUGGERING ME” is here forever.
I'm a K-9 fan too. I kept trying to make my own robot dog as a kid in the 80's.
Talons is awesome and I find the negative complaints irrelevant. Had it been made recently yeah sure.
My mom loves Tom baker as the fourth doctor
Your mom is cool
@@kennyt4849 indeed
Cybermen. Don't need air to breathe, can walk right on the surface of the moon... But chuck some gold in their chest apparatus and it interferes with their respiratory systems and they suffocate.... WHAT????
Pirate Planet is God tier Doctor Who.
Talons is one of the best, I make sure I watch it every few months and sod those who got an issue with it.
Will watch soon. I recently finished Four's era and have watched a few eps with Five. Not sure what to think about him just yet. It's always a hard transition!
The criticism of the Talons of Weng Chiang, cultural revisionism at its finest.
Gutless conformity to the current thing.
As for the Talons Of Weng Chiang, unfortunately Burt Kwouk was off making the Pink Panther movies.
I love this video.
BritBox has a disclaimer at the beginning of each episode of Talons, stating that it's a product of its time. Interestingly it's the only story in Classic Who they do that with.
Here's is my raking for series sixthteen of classic Dr who number one the addord of trara number two the pirate planet number three the Ribos operation number four the Armageddon factor number five the stone of blood number sixth the power of kroll
Talons is absolutely one of the best Who stories. I don’t see why historical stories have to have characters with modern sensibilities rather than accurate for the time attitudes. The fact that the Doctor calls them out seems like the right way to handle it. That’s what modern Who does (heavy handedly) and apparently it’s ok when they do it. As for white people playing Asian characters - do you really want all the bad guys to be Asian, rather than clearly not Asian people? People today are in many ways less aware rather than more. They can pattern match things identified as racist and go “That’s racist” but they can’t parse the real world to identify words and actions that matter. In other words, it’s all noise and posturing, it’s not actually helping anyone.
Big finish primeval monthly range is the only probably the only story that explores Nyssa's backround
Is it standalone or does it need other BF stories for context? I'll definitely add it to my "to listen" list (it's on Spotify which is great!)
@@AlReviewsWho definitely on its own. Fifth doctor and Nyssa visit traken. I quite like it. One I really like that goes deeper with her character is 'prisoner of fate' but you would have to listen to cobwebs and the emerald tiger first before that (both of those are also great)
Listened to it today and enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@AlReviewsWho cheers, glad u enjoyed it
Here's is my raking for series 17 of classic Dr who number one Destiny of the daleks number two the city of death number three sharda number four the nightmare of edan number five the creature from the pit number six the hornes of nimon
That has to be one of the most controversial things ever said - "Terry Malloy is the definitive Davros". I mean, fair enough, each to their own but I think you're on your own with that one. Michael Wisher is by far the definitive Davros. Wisher gave Davros a far more sinister voice. Don't you hear that. When you watch Genesis don't you feel Davros is far more sinister than Resurrection which is all down to Michael Wisher. I thought Malloy was a joke compared to Wisher
Talons is not 'racist'. Yes, it also addressed racism by showing how attitudes in the Victorian era were to towards the Chinese and Irish. My grandfather was Chinese and we used to love watching Fu-Manchu together. I do not understand white middle class kids today getting all offended on behalf of other people. Relax, Talons is a GREAT story, and perhaps if there were a wealth of Chinese actors available back then, it may have been different, but it is what it is. Regardless of making a mountain out of a mole hill, this has been an enjoyable review.
@@dddayesq5061well you make a point because yeah that's a problem too
@@Thegenderfluiddinosaur Neither are problematic, just too many hypersensitive bedwetters virtue-signalling over nothing.
them doctor who memes are jui-cehh
Keeper weaker than Meglos and Leisure Hive? NOOOOO!
Key To Time is really good too
The Android Invasion is highly underrated and is one of Terry nation's most unique storys. It is abit too similar to Terror of the Zygons like with the copying of people, the invasion plot and a evil copy of Harry. Even a hidden camera in the dart board is the same as the camera in the Deer head but its still a great story.
The Keeper of Traken is my favorite Tom Baker episode.
Seeds of Doom! My fave!
I don’t care about other people’s (mainly teenagers who didn’t live through it) ‘modern sensibilities,’ ‘The Talons of Weng-Chiang,’ is a superb story and my second favourite of all Classic Who stories 👍🏻
I love the Prisoner. The first 10 or so episodes might be the greatest TV show ever.
13:12 Yes of course I would.
Here are my raking for series 14 of classic Dr who number 1 number the hand of fear number 2 the deadly assassin number three the the face of evil number four the robot of death number five the masked of Mandragora and last in sixth place is the talons of wegeng Chiang
Seeds of doom mate it's the seeds of doom