That is a very nice locomotive. It looks to be very well finished and is obviously very well engineered as it is steam tight. It is definitely an unusual wheel arrangement, but still a nice looking loco for all that.
Regarding the wheel arrangement: When a full size engine has a gap between the rearmost driving wheels and the trailing wheels it is usually to make room for a wide firebox. On this model the gap is a bit far to the rear relative to the fire box. Anyway, the builder can be proud.
With working on the full sized engines I can tell you that the smoke does not get drafted all the time by the air over the chimney they do blow back into the cab quite alot
@@keithappleton how? I know that the rocket is an 0-2-2 But this is a Forney type as dictated by the 2 guide wheels at the front, the four divers in the middle and then have another set of four at the back that support the bunker, I'd like to hear your reasons for call it an 0-2-2
OK. Especially for you, just one more time ............... This Locomotive has a Wheel arrangement of 0 (NO LEADING WHEELS) 2 (TWO DRIVING WHEELS) and 2 (TWO TRAILING WHEELS) 0-2-2 (as previously clearly stated). The wheels on the Tender (or bunker as you call it) have nothing whatsoever to do with the wheel arrangement of the Locomotive as the Tender (or bunker) is towed behind the engine in order to provide the Coal & Water services).
I love this loco, but then I have a thing about things that are bit out of the ordinary. Actually having that weight at the rear seems sensible to me. Although I've never driven a steam loco of any gauge, a good number seem to be unbalanced in terms of front to back. My own diesel profile electric 5" gauge loco was a bit front heavy, meaning it didn't have maximum traction, I had to add a balancing mass at the rear.
Just found out there's a 7 1/4in railway in a park owned by a train museum in my city. I don't know if they let you bring your own engine, but they run live steam sessions during the summer. I'm definitely going to head down there when I can, and if they let people bring engines, I think I might have an excuse for a new hobby.
Does that locomotive actually have piston valves? In the US sometimes a slide valve is disguised to look like a piston valve to make it look more prototypic. Maybe you could comment on pros and cons of slide vs piston valves in model engines and miniature locomotives.
Bonjour Keith, Steam, coal, a successful test and a realistic whistle, the must to my opinion, I can't wait to see your other locomotive solving its regulator problem even if that create a suspens :) And a question, these locomotives do not need drain cocks on their cylinders ? Amicalement, Raphaël
What a lovely engine, the engineering quality seems very good. It does look odd in the rear side on view and I suspect it would have looked better with the trailing wheels under the cab and a tender perhaps? Not that it matters as for all purposes it is an abs beauty imho :)
Very nice, I have a question for you, how do you 'handle' a steam locomotive ? Picking one up and moving it around the putting it down again without causing any damage must be quite a difficult job once it is all put together like that. Are there any special techniques, do you use overhead winches or do you roll it onto a trolley ?
on 5 inch gauge locos it usually a man at each end unless it's a very small locomotive. On larger ones it's a man at each corner, but sometimes a Hydraulic lifting table is useful to have as the bigger models are very heavy . . .
Great video. It would be cool if the rolling road could be adjustable from having no/little resistance to providing resistance to simulate load. I can imagine a couple ways to make such a thing, it doesn't seem like it would be very difficult.
Keith, I have a question. Do you know if there is a scale dynamo for model steam engines? The North American steam locomotives had a dynamo mounted on top of the boiler by the cab to generate electricity for cab and running lights. Just wondering if you knew of anyone building scale units to do the same thing for scale model loco's. As usual Sir excellent video!
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Rather unusual design for a steam engine. It would make a rather handsome 4-4-2 if you extended the frames at the front, added a front bogie and then put a trailing truck under the cab and added a tender behind.
Keith Appleton i also told her that there is never an excuse for domestic violance so she has stopped hitting me for now, I am the boss in our house and if i want to do the drying up after washing the pots i will, Great videos informative and humourus a must watch
Keith Appleton I just can't visualize that in my mind...lol...when you push the lever forward..the die block in the expansion link goes down, thus the engine runs forward.....guess I would have to see how the lever in the cab is built, to get it to operate backwards?...have a good day...I really enjoy your videos !!!
That is a very nice locomotive.
It looks to be very well finished and is obviously very well engineered as it is steam tight.
It is definitely an unusual wheel arrangement, but still a nice looking loco for all that.
With every one of these tutorials I learn a little more. Given enough time I may eventually end up knowing 1/10 of what Mr. Appleton knows!
6:58 Wow, that whistle sounds amazing!!!!
Wonderful video Keith. It is indeed a starnge wheel arrangement.
Regarding the wheel arrangement: When a full size engine has a gap between the rearmost driving wheels and the trailing wheels it is usually to make room for a wide firebox. On this model the gap is a bit far to the rear relative to the fire box. Anyway, the builder can be proud.
A day of steam ! We steamed our Lancashire boiler today, great stuff Keith !
Hi Keath found this video very useful thanks
That's good - the name is Keith by the way ......
It's wheel arrangement is called a "Forney" I believe.
With working on the full sized engines I can tell you that the smoke does not get drafted all the time by the air over the chimney they do blow back into the cab quite alot
Agreed!! Even on narrow gauge which is what I work on it dosnt always work as intended. We pray for windy mornings when we are on shed XD
Fascinating and informative as always. Thanks!
The wheel arrangement of a 2-4-4 is referred to as a "Forney" type, hope you found it useful
This engine has a 0-2-2 wheel arrangement
@@keithappleton how? I know that the rocket is an 0-2-2 But this is a Forney type as dictated by the 2 guide wheels at the front, the four divers in the middle and then have another set of four at the back that support the bunker, I'd like to hear your reasons for call it an 0-2-2
OK. Especially for you, just one more time ............... This Locomotive has a Wheel arrangement of 0 (NO LEADING WHEELS) 2 (TWO DRIVING WHEELS) and 2 (TWO TRAILING WHEELS) 0-2-2 (as previously clearly stated). The wheels on the Tender (or bunker as you call it) have nothing whatsoever to do with the wheel arrangement of the Locomotive as the Tender (or bunker) is towed behind the engine in order to provide the Coal & Water services).
I love this loco, but then I have a thing about things that are bit out of the ordinary. Actually having that weight at the rear seems sensible to me. Although I've never driven a steam loco of any gauge, a good number seem to be unbalanced in terms of front to back. My own diesel profile electric 5" gauge loco was a bit front heavy, meaning it didn't have maximum traction, I had to add a balancing mass at the rear.
Just found out there's a 7 1/4in railway in a park owned by a train museum in my city. I don't know if they let you bring your own engine, but they run live steam sessions during the summer. I'm definitely going to head down there when I can, and if they let people bring engines, I think I might have an excuse for a new hobby.
Here in the States a 2-4-4 is usely called a Forney
Does that locomotive actually have piston valves? In the US sometimes a slide valve is disguised to look like a piston valve to make it look more prototypic. Maybe you could comment on pros and cons of slide vs piston valves in model engines and miniature locomotives.
That’s beautiful!
Bonjour Keith,
Steam, coal, a successful test and a realistic whistle, the must to my opinion, I can't wait to see your other locomotive solving its regulator problem even if that create a suspens :)
And a question, these locomotives do not need drain cocks on their cylinders ?
Amicalement, Raphaël
Yes they require drain cocks usually .....
What a lovely engine, the engineering quality seems very good. It does look odd in the rear side on view and I suspect it would have looked better with the trailing wheels under the cab and a tender perhaps? Not that it matters as for all purposes it is an abs beauty imho :)
Very nice, I have a question for you, how do you 'handle' a steam locomotive ?
Picking one up and moving it around the putting it down again without causing any damage must be quite a difficult job once it is all put together like that. Are there any special techniques, do you use overhead winches or do you roll it onto a trolley ?
on 5 inch gauge locos it usually a man at each end unless it's a very small locomotive. On larger ones it's a man at each corner, but sometimes a Hydraulic lifting table is useful to have as the bigger models are very heavy . . .
Hi Keith, as a newby learning every day. What oil do you use to lubricate, I have heard lots of opinions?
I use compounded steam engine bearing oil from www.halletoil.co.uk
@@keithappleton Thanks Keith which one ??
Sorry, I can't remember, probably 460C - please contact www.halletoil.co.uk and ask them.
@@keithappleton Many thanks Keith
Reminds me of the club engine at Urmston. Any idea who built it?
I don't know, I will ask Simon ...... {:-)))
Great video. It would be cool if the rolling road could be adjustable from having no/little resistance to providing resistance to simulate load. I can imagine a couple ways to make such a thing, it doesn't seem like it would be very difficult.
Keith, I have a question. Do you know if there is a scale dynamo for model steam engines? The North American steam locomotives had a dynamo mounted on top of the boiler by the cab to generate electricity for cab and running lights. Just wondering if you knew of anyone building scale units to do the same thing for scale model loco's. As usual Sir excellent video!
Depends on the gauge/scale .... PM Research do some neat little generators . . .
My girlfriend was a drummer in a dance band. She had a huge pair of Bongos.
Where are you. You have not mead a video for aegis and the treats as well to
I am still here - as UA-cam demonetised my videos I am only posting one each week until they reinstate the monetisation - 4 Emails later and no reply - this seems to be happening to lots of UA-cam Creators - ! So that's why it's only one video per week going up for the moment - until UA-cam allow me to Monetise the videos again. I don't know what they are doing as there is nothing wrong with the content or copyright status of the channel - ! I enjoy making these videos but I cannot function as a charity - I just can't afford to! - My Patreon subscribers have increased substantially and my Patreon supporters old & new will still get a new video almost every day - Thank you to my all of my Patreon supporters }:-)))
Rather unusual design for a steam engine. It would make a rather handsome 4-4-2 if you extended the frames at the front, added a front bogie and then put a trailing truck under the cab and added a tender behind.
I like it the way it is though .... a bit odd - I used to have a girlfriend like that }:-)))
Just got the girl friend to do a live steam test
I asked her to put the kettle on
}:-)))
Keith Appleton i also told her that there is never an excuse for domestic violance so she has stopped hitting me for now,
I am the boss in our house and if i want to do the drying up after washing the pots i will,
Great videos informative and humourus a must watch
How can a locomotive run forward in reverse...and reverse in forward ??????????
I thought that I mentioned the reason in the video ?????
Keith Appleton I just can't visualize that in my mind...lol...when you push the lever forward..the die block in the expansion link goes down, thus the engine runs forward.....guess I would have to see how the lever in the cab is built, to get it to operate backwards?...have a good day...I really enjoy your videos !!!
Thought you guys soaked the coal in melted paraffin wax. Instead, you're soaking it in Jet Fuel!