The REAL Problem with Donkey Kong Country Returns HD
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2025
- I was excited to play this port with my brother, but the game fundamentally does not work in co-op. I'm hoping this can start or add to a discussion for a patch. This game should retain the features from the Wii version.
#DonkeyKongCountryReturns #DonkeyKongCountry #DonkeyKongCountryReturnsHD
Wow, this got a little more intention than I anticipated.
Thanks for all the comments; I tried to respond to a bunch, but I'm not going to be able to get to all of them. To answer a few things that I saw pop up a bunch of times:
- I did reach out to both Nintendo and Forever Entertainment through support channels, X/Twitter, and email. I sent them a short GIF demonstrating the problem. My handles are in the channel thing if you want to retweet or whatever. I also tried to reach out to larger channels and let them know to signal boost the problem. Hoping for a patch!
- Yes, the price and graphics are big problems too, but that horse has been thoroughly beaten like it was the subscribe button at the end of the video. And I do feel like the biggest problem with the game is the gameplay downgrade. For like, 10 years I was wondering why no one talked about this issue in the 3DS version and wanted to get the word out.
Most of all, I'm quite thankful for the compliments. Cheers, ladies and gentlemen; I'm planning to hit you with some more Kongtent soon.
I think it was because of GamexPlain most recent video.
Tried to respond to a bunch, of bananas. Sorry I had to.
Yeah wow that’s bad, genuinely did they not test the game in multiplayer
the wii had multiplayer
@@Yoshizuyuner They'd still have to add and test it for the Switch version
It's a single player game ffs. Are you mad Tails in Sonic 2 isn't true co-op as well?
@@ryancasey4637 the problem is they removed a feature that was already there and worked fine. They should have at least had it
@@theAstarrreven if it wasnt already a feature the problem would be they added a co op mode and put no thought into it
This is clearly a symptom of the team just assuming that the 3DS version is just a downgraded Wii version with more levels and NO gameplay changes outside of control scheme. They likely didn't pay much attention, if at all, to the Wii version thinking that it would be pointless.
Like when Rockstar used the mobile versions of older gta games when ported to consoles
And I'm pretty sure they didn't notice it was a feature when the 3DS version was made. OP is being generous with thinking it might've been a technical limitation. No way this kind of feature is limited by the 3DS hardware. Almost positive it was an oversight.
Like when SEGA used the mobile ports of Sonic 1, 2, and CD for Origins. (I don’t know much of what we’re talking about, I just wanted to make a semi-relevant comment).
@@AGZhark That was the biggest selling point of that version, so no, it's nothing like that.
@@videogamingfreak13 Someone didn’t read between the parentheses. Don’t act so smug.
Nintendo needs to watch this video and patch the co-op immediately
Nintendo don't care
Too much money to fail or care
Just send it to them.
@@dannybrezelhorner2715 Then why do they update their games at all?
Nintendo has your money. You clowns gave them $60 for a 15 year old port and they’re laughing at you. Maybe have some standards for once in your lives and refuse to buy lazy overpriced garbage and it will force Nintendo to change.
>turns on Mario Kart 9
>selects DK
>[Seth Rogen laugh]
>turns off Mario Kart 9
That was the best part me and my buddy went to the movie on shrooms and blanked out the entire time the only thing we remembered was Seth Rogan laughing
@The_MEMEphis all I remember was Charlie Day
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Mario kart 10
@@ashmander3465 It'll be a cold day in Hell when I acknowledge Tour as a legitimate Mario Kart mainline title. Cash-grab gacha spin-off at best.
you definitely were destined to make this review, no other reviewer I've seen has mentioned this, not even digital foundry, and those guys test everything.
People are more focused on "bad" load times and choppy framerates that never happen. More focused on "this really great worthwhile game isn't worth $60 because wii port"
A lot of reviewers dont have any attention to almost any detail they just measure numbers (framerate, 1080p, other shit no one cares about)
People need to stop treating Digital Foundry like gods
I wouldn't say they test everything lol. Their MH Rise video is especially negligent, among other blunders.
@@JsYTA this game is not worth $60 at all lol, should be given for free on the switch online
This definitely feels like an oversight, but unfortunately, it's the kind of oversight that Nintendo won't be bothered to fix via a patch. They patch their games so rarely (or at least, games that aren't set-up to get DLC) that I'd be genuinely shocked if they actually addressed this.
Look back at your Switch library, they almost always release one or two patches for each game
@@Melonposting I don't know about almost always, there are several Nintendo games I have that are still version 1.0. Even the ones that got updated or patched (again, not counting the games that are set to get DLC), they don't fix everything. Maybe I'm just cynical about this, but I just think this is another "release-and-done" affair and Nintendo's not going to touch it again after this.
They didn't even put the credits in, they don't care.
When F-Zero X released on the Wii U, the game was unplayable. People were taking to social media. Never thought they'd do it in a million years, but Nintendo patched it. The patch made it better but still not great. Selling us a broken game was a bit much, so they went back and gave us 'meh, good enough'.
I agree, sadly. I really wish they fix this, but there's many examples of similar situations that never got patched.
I hate this “good enough” thing with Nintendo fans. If I were you, the second I found out multiplayer was borked, I would’ve returned the game.
Nintendo fans just eat any slop nintendo puts in the trough
@@RedWithTheLongUA-camHandleyes omg
I've got other games to play, so I certainly won't be picking it up anytime soon with this information. If they didn't even bother playtesting co-op, what else did they entirely fail at? I'll let the fanboys document it in the meantime
Nintendo fans gladly bend over and spread wide for daddy Nintendo. When you point out how there's a problem, you'll be met with outrage from the fans who'd gladly lick the dirt off of Nintendo's boots for $59.99
No different from Sonic fans either defending Superstars terrible multiplayer
Honestly, good video, I feel like you’re correct in the sense that the developers of this version likely didn’t see much use for this mechanic without realizing how it made the multiplayer more dynamic. I’d argue this is a great example of how small changes can make or break something.
Developers!?
The developers made the game years ago. People migrating it to a new console aren't really developers.
@@Big_Dai ok, then what are they?
@@Marchers46a council of beavers
oh my god james
More dynamic? The lack of this feature makes it borderline unplayable
Interesting how a single design change like this can cause an entire game mode to unravel. There really is no substitute for doing things properly.
It's really weird. It works better for Mario, because it's also funny. But Donkey Kong is a bit more "magical", so to have the more chaotic, not working version is unfortunate.
Very, very unfortunate.
Also because the level design in Mario doesn't usually require you to bounce on enemies for a prolonged period of time. Lots of levels in DKC are clearly designed around bouncing on enemies.
It doesn't really work for mario either, they make it "work" by having you spawn back in as a bubble that's not a very satisfying solution though, along with going off screen killing you. At least some fan games like Mario Bros X. fixed the off screen issue by having the screen dynamically go into split screen if you moved too far away, and merging back into one.
Wow, so Nintendo is confident enough to charge $60 to port a game for the 2nd time but won't bother to test co-op? The two clips you showed looked like a game I would LOVE to play co-op vs a game that looks TERRIBLE for co-op.
3rd*
@@lukegibson60442nd*
2nd*. 1st port was to the 3ds, 2nd port to the switch. You much be confused
This game exists in 4 possibly 5 consoles....with minor refinements that would justify 60 bucks...
@@Blastoisebo122there 4 games bruh quit the technicalities...DKCR exists in 4 consoles
4:33 - I’m guessing it was indeed a port of the 3DS version, given that it has the 3DS levels, and seemingly up-resed 3DS visuals (if the GameXplain video is anything to go by). This issue feels like an oversight, a result of the game overall being a low-effort port overall.
Metroid Prime remastered clears this in every way possible
@ oh definitely, by far the superior remake/remaster!
The 3DS version had the exact same visuals as the Wii version.
It's not a port, it's more of a remake with the same assets, this piece of shit was re-coded in Unity out of all things... don't support garbage like this, Metroid Prime remastered uses the same game engine it used on Gamecube updated for modern consoles which could have been easily used for Donkey kong Kong Returns as it was made by Rare as well using the same engine.
@@alexbrailean8934 Rare? Did you mean to say Retro Studios?
This is really unfortunate. I feel like this must have happened because the porting team used the 3ds ver. as a starting point, and simply didn't realise the 25 frame window was a feature in the Wii version. I don't think they would take it out purposefully.
Edit: How do you only have 70 subscribers btw, I was expecting at least thousands after watching this 🤯 Keep up the good work!
I bet the original developer team is cringing right now. Plus they only got a mention in the credits. They made the whole damn game!
@@Vitally14they are, retro studios got screwed over again just like with prime remaster
From what little I know about game development, I think they used the code base from the 3DS port to make it easier to work on the HD version. The 3DS has an ARM processor, as does the Switch, so the 3DS code was easier to transfer than what was written for the Wii.
@@protocetid Not really how it works from my also limited understanding. They ported the 3DS version to Unity.
@@shantaehalf-geniehero4318 what's wrong with Metroid Prime Remastered? Seems like a great game to me, great visual upgrades and a decent price for the work being put into upgrading it
Its a crime Nintendo is charging full new game price for a 3ds port they didn't bother to playtest.
Best bet for Nintendo to see this problem is for a post about it to blow up on social media. It worked for Mario Kart 8's booster course DLC. It feels like this is an important feature that they just had no idea about because they were working with the 3DS version
How did it work for mk8 dlc? Those stages sucked from start to finish
@awildmoose6541 It was really just the cars in Coconut Mall, people complained they didn't move at all like the original, and it got to the point Nintendo even made a post showing how they were fixed in an update
@dannykazari yet they didnt fix how awful the maps looked graphically
@awildmoose6541 Well yeah, some of those are pretty bad lol
@@awildmoose6541 they dont though
Yeah that one Temple Level is where me and my co-op partner noticed it as well.
Devastating, honestly.
That DK rolling into the void at the end is very relatable.
Wow, an honest to goodness video talking about an actual problem with the actual game rather than EXCLUSIVELY the price tag or how much sand the crabs kick up. Please note: those are still valid criticisms, but are the two topics I overwhelmingly hear talked about this game. Rather than, you know, the quality of the game (which still holds up well) and any issues with the port beyond graphical issues.
And yeah, that’s a real big problem. I was looking forward to possibly playing this with my brother, but at this point… nah, I’m fine playing solo.
Excellent video, by the way.
Oh my goodness!!! How dare people have an issue with 60+ ports with barely any new content!!!!!!
@You realize I never said those are invalid criticisms, right?
The conversation around this game has suffocatingly been TOO EXPENSIVE (which, yes, it is. But people act like this is the first time Nintendo’s done something like this) or GRAPHICS BAD (which is gonna be subjective, and if people think it doesn’t look good, fair) but have complained about so many tiny details that most people aren’t going to notice under normal circumstances.
Like, I have heard NOBODY before now mention the co-op was broken since they’re too busy spending time in the echo chamber, perpetuating the same two arguments. And again, those criticisms are totally fair, but they’re majorly distracting from bigger issues with the port like Retro not being in the credits or the co-op.
Well, price tag is always going to be an important factor for people to be interested in a game (or a port in this case), specially of it has a questionable quality.
If fine if you dont care about the $60 price tag, but dont use it to take validity from people who arent really convinced.
@ That’s, once again, not what I’m saying at all. The price tag is a valid concern, but it has SUFFOCATED conversation around this game, to the point nobody really talks about the actual quality of the game from everything I’ve heard. The fact this was the first time I heard about co-op is broken, when that’s a major factor in advertising for this game, is baffling.
Bring it up, but don’t make the price the only talking point, in other words.
@@wootmasterzorsx Well, your initial comment insinuated some sort of discredit towards the price tag criticism, so don't blame people for missunderstanding it just because you didn't express yourself properly.
The broken co-op is obviously something they need to address, given how this game focuses on it more on that than the original trilogy, but given the overall low effort this port had (specially when you realise it's made by the same team that made the mediocre panzer dragon and the house of the dead remake), it's expected for the price tag (and some missing effects) to draw some criticisms.
Perphaps Grezzo should have ported the game instead, given how polished their rereleases overall are, as Retro is too busy with Prime 4 and their management has always been a mess.
As someone who's played Returns many times, yet only by myself, I never knew the whole delayed disappearance of an enemies hitbox for the second player thing, and wow that's actually an incredibly smart thing to implement. That feature not being there in any modern 2D Mario game isn't as noticeable since you can bubble yourself at any point while falling if I'm not mistaken, but Returns as you demonstrated it makes certain levels unplayable while the Kongs are separated. I suppose at the very least you can still combine into one for those sections, but it's still a horrible oversight
I was playing Donkey Kong Country Returns HD for the first time today with a friend who I played the original with back in the day, and I was thinking it was a bit weird I couldn’t jump on the same enemies as him. I thought maybe I was remembering it wrong or not doing it quite right to also bounce on the same enemies. That is insane that they didn’t get it working right for this release. Some people only really care to play the game just to play it couch co-op with a buddy. I hope they patch it SOON! Great video.
They 100% used the 3DS version instead of the home console original. They probably didn’t even care to notice the difference between the Wii and 3DS versions. Reminds me of the classic GTA trilogy “remaster” from a couple of years ago, or how Halo CE: Anniversary used the broken Gearbox PC port when remaking the first Halo game. This happens way too often.
The loading times are also unacceptable as well. Slower than the Wii and apparently slower than the 3DS as well.
@@lightning35 that isn't anywhere NEAR true. the port itself is just bad
Every comparison of Wii U game vs Switch port has Switch loading faster lol @@lightning35
@@lightning35 what kind of mario kart are you playing?
It’s really living up to the name cuz this is like the third time it’s returned
I'm so excited for it to return to every single Nintendo console since the Wii.
I definitely noticed this when playing with my brother. In fact, for the unlockable temples I had to just stop playing all together and let him do it solo, cause as you mentioned, they’re literally impossible in two player. It’s also weird because the Tropical Freeze port didn’t have this issue
Well TF on Switch is a direct port of the Wii U version instead of being (apparently?) ported from a downgraded handheld version like Returns HD
What's more likely is that the team porting the 3DS version missed this mechanic since it's only noticeable in co-op and the regular levels weren't designed around it so they would've had to specifically playtest the temple levels in co-op AND know that the mechanic existed in the first place. Unless you've been playing the whole game in co-op and noticed the mechanic, the average person would just assume you needed to buddy-up for the temple levels which is probably what the developers did.
Then for the Switch version, the team is porting the 3DS version and likely went through the same process with an even smaller chance of knowing about the mechanic & realizing it's missing.
While I don't expect much, it'd be great to see this get fixed.
The problem with nintendo is that most of their games are never fixed.
For example, in nintendo Switch Sports, we were expecting nintendo to add a way to play online multiplayer with friends while random users can get in too, so we can win the prizes together.
Still waiting for that....
Honestly, yeah. In Smash Wii U you could play online with friends against other friends using the same console. For example me and my bro in the same console vs you and other person in your console, or even 3 persons in one console and one online. However in Ultimate you can't do this, and it's strange because you can do that in other switch games like Mario Party, but they never added it in ultimate for some reason
They never fixed the issues with brothership
Nintendo be selling unfinished games at $60 a pop SMH
@XxMayhem88 let's not forget that splatoon 3 is the same game with small new gimmicks, and they still offer that game at $60
Dude, just make a $40 dlc. It's not that hard.
My wife is a big zelda fan and enjoyed breath of the wild, but even her told me that tears of the kingdom should be a Dlc and not a new $60 game.
And nintendo fans will defend this thing.
@@homeroz2100 In the case of splatoon 3, It's almost like it's a direct sequel to a game that was made. It's not like such a practice was new since even two or three generations ago, it wasn't common for sequels to a game to be the same as the game it's a sequel of since they used the same engine or even assets/animations, because that's the smart thing to do as a game developer since you already have the tools you previously made because not every game sequel needs to have a completely new engine complete with 100% new assets.
I’m so sick of huge companies failing to make extremely easy fixes to games.
4:21 laziness
Yea the director just said "I'm not feeling like it rn". What world do you live in
Wow, this is something I never would've considered since I find these games too intense to make for a smooth co-op experience regardless. This oversight just makes my case more justified. Thanks for pointing this out. It genuinely seems like a big issue that I hope gets addressed as unlikely as that may be.
This reminds me of when nintendo butchered the multi-player of nsmbudx
Ik it's not that great of a game but I'm still baffled they did that
@@setta8925 Or how in Super Mario 3D World in Champion's Road, during the swimming section with the spikes, the clear pipe at the end of it will vanish when covered by the water - which did not happen in the Wii U version of the game. It's a minor nitpick but I feel it was worth mentioning because it's possible that this mistake will carry on to other ports (if they plan to do that).
I'm no technical expert, but I hear that Hyrule Warriors had a similar problem with porting from the 3DS version. For the most part, the game's graphics are on par with the original WiiU version, but most of the content was ported directly from the 3DS version (fittingly enough, though the Switch version is titled "Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition" in the west while the 3DS version was "Hyrule Warriors Legends", the Japanese version uses the 3DS version's title but with a "DX" slapped onto it, "Zelda Musou: Hyrule All-Stars DX", thus further driving home the idea of this just being the 3DS version with a facelift). Apparently, this included the game's 3D model skeletons, which leads to some wonky results when the WiiU's skin textures are applied to them (most infamously is Link's scarf, which has some nicely fluid physics in the WiiU version, but is pretty much a stiff plank in the two latter ports).
"What were they thinking ?!? I know... they weren't thinking."
Crazy. Also seems to confirm the previously back/forth debate on whether it’s the Wii or 3DS version ported.
I hope this issue gets more traction, and nice vid. I had no idea it's unironically literally unplayable in coop.
“Ah yes, we’ll fix it.., with another 70 dollar port”
Like you briefly mentioned near the end my biggest complaint with this version as someone who played it in single player, is the framerate issues. It's subtle sure, but it wasn't there in the original, making it in my opinion, unacceptable
Dude you are so right, it’s bizarre to see they’ve skimped a core design detail two releases in a row. I’ve only ever played multiplayer on the Wii version, I didn’t know this was an issue. Glad to see people calling issues like these with the ports out.
Also a DK focused channel? Insta-sub, you are doing the lord’s work
I wonder if it's similar to what happened to the Advance Wars remake, where there's people who saw the problem and raised issues, but were ignored because they didn't have seniority.
Reminder it’s very easy and legal to emulate your copy with controllers you like configured however you want
Not to justify Nintendo’s lazy port. Sucks for everyone they couldn’t bother to catch that
That is why Retro Studios has to make these games. Due to Prime 4 (and hopefully the Prime 2-3 remakes) they didn't even handle this port. The other developer probably didn't know it was a thing.
@@jaretco6423which is why he said it should be RS.
@@jaretco6423 Yes, that's what they're saying. It SHOULD have been made by Retro
@@TheZer0wned Don't need to they me, I'm a guy ^^
@@d4rksonic474 there's no way they could've known that though
@@naturalLog26 Not if you're briefed about cut details like that and never tested the original, no. I think you can expect more from Nintendo as a publisher though, lol.
I had no idea about this co op feature. I wonder why almost no single press website covered this in their analysis. It seems kind of important
I guess it's a thing you need to be "in the know" for, and it's easier to just whine about framerates.
The price IS the biggest problem. If there are bugs like this makes it even more insane. Good that I will never ever buy a game on release again. It is never worth it.
This is why I’ve mostly stopped following Nintendo and have moved over to the Indie scene for the most part. There’s a lot of carryover between Nintendo and Indies
I kind of never did really, after the Wii at least. Every game I got afterwards was for a console that had been in the market for long enough to be near the end of its lifetime, or at least not long before their successor came out. PSP, PS4, 3DS, Switch Lite, they all surprisingly line up to some extent. Heck, the only game I got pretty much on release was the Medievil remake.
And on PC, I either wait for discounts on Steam, Epic and GOG, or scour itch and GameJolt for something fancy. Or, y'know, emulation. That, I have been doing since my teen years on mobile, but I'd rather sacrifice portability for the sake of using an actual controller these days.
@@beanburrito4405Tons of my friends did the same thing. Indies are underrated should look into it myself just want capable hardware first.
The price is $60 because the 3DS game is ported to Unity by Forever Entertainment, which has the infamous runtime fees. If this is Nintendo's idea of having the customer pay for the runtime fees, then that is incredibly scummy given that it's the developer's fault for having Unity in the first place.
@@X2011racer didn't unity cancel the runtime fees though?
The fact that Nintendo didn't consider to fix this issue and instead ported the 3DS version onto the Switch is REALLY bad, but also unsurprising. Haven't we forgotten about those DLC tracks from Mario Kart 8 Deluxe where they basically ported the MOBILE version of like ALL their tracks into the DLC's? It's the same case here but on a malfunctioning- and game breaking scale. They wanted to port the 3DS version, because that version has NO motion controls. That is most likely the sole reason why they did that.
3:43 Bruh 😭 That's hilarious.
That's really a rushed port. I mean no one's gonna play sync multiplayer on 3DS so it's fine, but multiplayer is like one of the core gimmicks of the Switch so e?
Oh gosh, that's horrible. I've mostly played Wii in multiplayer, and that mechanic is a godsend.
Never knew that they cut it on 3DS (I assume it was an oversight then, since multiplayer was pretty walled off anyway?) and since this is probably based on the 3DS one I assume the devs never realized it was supposed to be there. Such a shame that it's still only on the Wii.
(Also not sure if you were playing it up for the camera, but you don't need to shake the Wiimote nearly that hard lol)
Oh and edit: In case Nintendo doesn't do anything about this... let's just say that dolphins are smart enough creatures to provide another HD version with button controls. :]
This needs to spread. Nintendo releasing one of the best coop multiplayers turned into one of the worst. Full price. Full commercials.
The best option is to choose for yourself (within a reasonable range) the framerate data in which an enemy's hitbox disappears in multiplayer.
Best co-op platformers? What?
@@skippertheeyechild6621I liked the coop on Wii and for me it worked better than Super Mario coop.
Between this and selecting Luigi's battle commands with A in Brothership, I think Nintendo needs a fan in the development office to tell the devs not to do stupid things.
Actually an awesome video. As someone who has only ever Beating this game in co-op, it's a real shame that I don't think I'll be able to play it with my friends the same way I did the original! You've earned yourself a subscriber.
Thanks a ton for being straight to the point and quick to show examples. It's a breath of fresh air to not have to fast forward through 3 minutes of "What IS Donkey Kong??" before getting to the actual content
Wow. This is extremely bad. It's completely unplayable in co-op, moreso on certain levels of course but that's just ridiculous. It's as if the QA team completely overlooked co-op mode.
It's a shame the Switch version is like this. I've played trough both Returns and Tropical Freeze multiple times in co-op. It was amazing to play these at the same time, since the SNES originals only featured co-op by taking turns.
This was a fantastic video. Loved your delivery and insight, liked subbed and all that. You weren’t kidding that this was a video you were destined to make!
Damn. I got this re-release specifically for multiplayer and I didn't notice that mechanic. Now that you bring it up I do remember it in the original version. They really need to fix this. The only alternative would be for Diddy to hop on DK's back during these segments but kind of undermines the multiplayer aspect. Thanks for bringing this up.
Also the waggle controls worked just fine in the original release. You really don't have to move the controller that much. You were clearly exaggerating. Most people didn't realize at the time ust how minimal of movements you could do to achieve the waggle.
Wow! This is super disappointing because I was only considering picking this up to run through co-op with my wife, since I beat the original years ago. Probably won’t bother unless it gets a patch
This is such a shame. I loved tropical freeze and DKC2 is one of my all time favourite games, and I was hoping to coop this one after enjoying TF coop so far. I hope it’s patched soon!
That's just sad that coop is essentially broken in this now. And I can guarantee you they're never going to fix it
What makes this oversight weirder is that it WAS included in both versions of tropical freeze to my knowledge. Not sure if the timing is the same but the mechanic was there. Even in the switch version
Jon from GVG pointed this out in his revuew
Crazy to think nintendo announced thus like...7 months ago, playtested it at a minimum kevel and then just sat on it until release.
Hopefully it gets patched cause its kinda unacceptable for a $60 game. Really shows nintendis hand that not all full price games they make are treated equally. We always knew that the full price thing was a scam but i think this prives it even more
This isn't just a gripe or a nitpick, it legitimately needs patching. I can't believe it went through God knows how many hours of testing and nobody noticed the game is fundamentally broken in co-op.
Wow, I'd call that borderline unplayable. This needs to be fixed.
Just remember this, this version of Donkey Kong Country Returns HD is based on the 3DS version and Not the Wii version.
It's still a fun game. Just never let Forever Entertainment helm a port project ever again.
I like the game... and I enjoy the switch remaster. But your point is a BIG ONE. They should fix that coop "bug" somehow.
Hey man! Tales Of Symphonia fan here! Welcome to the lazy port club!
DK Returns IS a port of the DS version! For the same reason Tales Of Symphonia is a port of the Steam>PS3>PS2 version.
The DS version had some extra content that the Wii version didn’t so it was used as the base instead.
The graphics are Upscaled versions of the DS’s as well and are missing a lot of details as a result. You’re lucky the game wasn’t still locked to 30 FPS like Symphonia is at least!
So the really bad news is they chose the DS version as a base so they wouldn’t have to code in all that extra content so it doesn’t look good that they’d code in this lost co-op mechanic.
I suggest looking to emulation if you want to get that co-op experience without waggle controls. You can button map waggle controls that way.
And through emulation, in the near future, you can even get the game looking better than the new one!
A fellow creator named Panda Venom was upscaling the Wii version. He worked on the Tales Of Symphonia textures and those are phenomenal.
Here are the DKR ones: ua-cam.com/video/FcSkqBRm1eA/v-deo.htmlsi=idc_TCj7NbuGX36A
If you’re interested I can always ask how that project is going.
I know emulation is a turn off for many but it’s the only way to play so many games if you no longer have the original hardware.
Great video! I actually cancelled my order for this game and as a owner to the Wii version I play this game in Dolphin upscaled and with a Switch Pro controller, it's so easy to setup properly and get a solid experience.
60$ well saved in my book.
Thank god we had KONG KOMPEDIUM to tell us about the problems of Donkey Kong Country Returns HD
Good ol’ Nintendo Complacency
If we’re lucky, we’ll start getting $60 N64 ports with the Switch 2, but for some reason you can’t fire Bombs in Star Fox 64 anymore. But it doesn’t matter, because you’ll buy it anyway
Wow, there’s no excuse for that, but yhere’s really no excuse for it in the 3ds version either. No “technical limitations” would stop them from keeping the enemy around for a half second after getting stomped. It was just lost in the porting process and neither team bothered to test co-op.
Thats actually a pretty big problem for multiplayer, they should definitely have just used what the Wii version had. (Great vid btw 🤩)
Nintendo needs to fix this ASAP that's insane.
Nintendo fans will get slope and will enjoy it. (As an avid fan who will pay 100 dollars CAD for Nintendo games).
Just play another game, it's not like you have a near endless amount of alternatives in the current year.
Wow, that basically fucks over co-op entirely. I do hope this gets fixed
Excellent video, thank you. As a huge Nintendo apologist, this really sucks and is absolutely unacceptable. It’s completely broken!
it's astounding to me how not just nintendo but almost everyone fucks up newer ports of older games. It's why I collect retro game stuff.
Bingo. I bought a CRT recently because in the year of 2025 we still can’t remap controls or get rid of the weird border in NSO.
At the same time, that Crash trilogy remaster exists so it must be possible to make good remasters and ports
Damn, what a joke. I'd expect sega to publish a port this sloppy, not nintendo lol
Sonic Colors Ultimate...
It was kind of irresponsible to charge a price for a really buggy port, and being the only way to buy it legally nowadays.
Good Vibes Gaming finally pointed this out. When they listed this issue alongside other issues like the load times and small visual oversights, it all added up, and I can’t justify getting this, at least for now. A patch would be nice. Mario Sunshine on All-Stars got a patch, but I feel that haven’t done that much since. So I’m not holding my breath sadly.
Wii ports on switch is unnecessary, all they had to do was add it on the Virtual Console or the Online pass
Unnecessary, but money.
we didn't get a donkey kong game in years and when we get a new remaster this bullshit happens
And once again, piracy is the most convinient *and* superior way to enjoy a game. It's just ridiculous. You can either pay 60 bucks for an inferior product or pay nothing and play the Wii version at Rock solid 1440p60 with any controller you want and enjoy the best possible version in the best possible way. They are not even trying.
Used 3DS copy wants to have a word with you
@irvingamer2235 30 FPS with bad frame times and the lowest visuals is the best way to play it?
I mean, even though there *is* a difference between 30 and 60fps, it's essentially irrelevant if you're not actively trying to notice the difference@@RmnGnzlz
@ Bro you are taking graphics to seriously the game looks decent on actual hardware also 3ds version has more content than wii so
@irvingamer2235 Frame timing is about gameplay not graphics.
Quality of life patches? Nintendo?
No no, see, this was their ⟡vision⟡ of how players would interact with the game.
They simply included a good feature on accident the first time.
Wow after seeing this, they really made this game age poorly on the Switch version.
I was thinking of getting the remake to get nostalgia, but I guess playing multiplayer is gonna be a nightmare.
Actually embarassing they released it like this, completely unacceptable
This is a serious issue. The death animation of the enemy is still on screen when the hit box is removed
This is a problem with remakes and remasters in general. You're just going to end up losing sight of the original intention and certain things are going to end up slipping through the cracks, just by the nature of re-doing someone else's work.
Selling a 15 year old wii game for $60 is a problem imo
DKC for the win, the snes trilogy is amazing.
1:45 that’s great design on the double jump, very nice!
Also it’s kinda crazy to think we’ve been paying $60+ for a new game for 20 years. Honestly it’s weird to think that the value has NEVER been better, when we compare inflation and the product.
The missing double jump changes EVERYTHING, that looks terrible. Like Battletoads type of absurd multiplayer…
If you analyze nintendo's history, that company only got into things that were profitable and piggyback off people with aspirations but ultimately Nintendo just wanted a profitable company so eventually it got into video games.
I think a lot of players didn't catch this because most play it solo.
Good catch!
Except the wii version was considered better for speed runners because you can start waggling before you hit the ground.
Also I'm glad this is the issue you had because I don't see DK as a multiplayer game anyways.
Not planning on buying the game for other reasons, but I sincerely hope Nintendo sees this and patches it. Huge bummer.
I'm guessing the fact that this is a port of the 3DS version (the newer one) is the reason they charged $60 instead of $40 or $50, just like they did with Luigi's Mansion 2 HD.
Nintendo needs more criticism. This switch generation has been rubbish I think I’m really disappointed.
I think that the Switch generation is great, but this port is disappointing and deserves better.
Very confusing time to be a Donkey Kong fan right now lmao. This is a huge bummer and I really hope Nintendo does fix this soon. It was such a good way to handle simultaneous platforming to begin with.
Yes, it's a lazy port of the 3DS version for $60 USD. Welcome to gaming in 2025.
I also never understood why they made the button config so complicated. Same goes with the whirlwind jumps in New super mario bros U. Why didn't they use the the SNES configs or at least let us choose?!
5:31 😂😂😂 I personally like his design. But I also like the Country design as well. I personally don’t care much cause either design looks fine to me
What my problem with this is, it's a rehash of an older game but for the price of a new game. I'm tired of Nintendo being lazy like this. A remaster, especially one that got borked like this, is not worth the price of a new game.
Its definitely port of 3ds because it had those extra levels. Some visuals that are missing were also missing in 3ds, such as the round shadows at 2:20, those were in 3ds while wii had realistic ones. Though there is also stuff that was present in 3ds thats not present in switch.
Isnt it embarrassing that the 60 dollar HD port manages to have worse shadows than the wii game from 15 years ago?
Great video, I remembered being impressed at the ability to bounce off of dead enemies back then.
Oh wow, yeah this needs a patch. I've only ever enjoyed this series in multiplayer, and this is the only entry I have yet to play.
Wow. This is an actual negative. Everyone always only pointing out price. This sounds like crap.
The price is an actual negative too
@@awildmoose6541prices could be bypass with retailers (and second hand in a couple of months).
@@evanpereira3555or piracy 🏴☠️
It is the freaking price and graphics