There absolutely will be a guide with full clips, breakdowns, and shots of different 1v1s of each class and how to deal with them :) This guide was more of a talk, and I will be making a video showcasing the full 1v1 thought process on each fight
Yea let's discuss all the openers in completely random order and show some completely un-related footage along with it. On top of that let's explain to people that after Cheapshot, you have to Kidney shot.
Mage: Sapp-->cheapshot (whitout break)->Ambush->evis->nade->shoot Love your vids, can you discuss it from meeting hardiness perspektive? I do not even bother to stun at this point since the risk of it not landing is to high.
Its tough for some fights. rogue vs orc you should always try to sap first and then cheapshot ASAP. if it resists then restealth, resap, and then try again. From my experience, I usually dont miss my kidney after hitting the cheapshot, but if you're scared, then kidney a little early, and if it resists, then you should have enough reaction time to vanish. Vs orc warrior its tough cause if they're in zerker stance. To check that you should just sap and then walk away so they don't shout you out of stealth. Orc shaman while in ghost wolf form you have no choice but to pray that your cheapshot hits. If it resists on the shaman then you *could* try for a quick vanish cheapshot again. Odds are you'll get the stun off the 2nd time
Against skilled dwarf warriors it can take up to 4-5 resets to get a kill. You got 2 blinds + 2 sprintvanishes + rocket helm + net trinket deadzone reset + sticky glue deadzone reset + magic dust. If you REALLY need to kill someone, you can use up to 8 resets + another 7 seconds of LIP facetanking. Skilled rogues can literally kill anything if they want it enough.
The quality of this guide would be a lot higher with some footage of the things you explain. Tbh, having random pvp in the background serves more as a distraction to the things you are trying to say.
Yeah absolutely! I'm working on putting together something with full duels against R14 or top pvpers on my server of each class to actually show and breakdown the fights themselves. This one in particular spawned from mostly people in chat asking about it and running into people in open world pvp messing up their openers.
You mention that with combat it is possible to stunlock, but when I open with CS > SS and then I want to Gouge I always don't have enough energy to cast it before the CS runs out. Am I missing something?
I think you forget that spriest also has stun removal on pvp trinket, not a good idea to go for a stun lock thistle tea rotation. You really want to try bait out 1 of his fear using a well timed vanish or also zoning the fear with sprint. Either that or bait the trinket and reset holding energy for a gouge during the stun lock.
Hi there, hope you don't mind the message. I've just basically started WoW in last 2 weeks, I'm debating a Mage or Rogue. What would you say is the easier of the two too get to grips of? i.e Rotation, PvP etc
going with cheapshot on a mage isnt actually that bad - you make sure you build combo points faster, so you can burn his cooldowns and use it to your advantage. you can also prevent the blink if you go with cheapshot into gouge (mages cant blink the gouge), even if he blinks you can easly grenade him or use vanish if you are not engineer. after that you can cheapshot him again and go for a kidney which he will iceblock and probably blink again. You can also bait his iceblock with blind (99% chance mage will iceblock the blind). This is easy tactic to kill a mage even in pve spec, where you probably have improved sprint anyway (to break nova) as there is nothing better to pick in this build all this stunlock idea is cool, until you get orc warrior resisting all of your stuns and smashing you with 2 gcds :)
Agree with this. We know the mage will blink the cheap shot. Which is why we open with it. It forces one of his two important cooldowns and gets us closer to our win condition.
A good idea for a video but really poorly made. The random footage in the background is really distracting and includes none of the ideas talked about.
I have to disagree with you the best opener for a hemo rogue on a mage is not going to be ambush. Yes its very easy to do an ambush opener but take advantage of the huge evis damage hemo rogues have. Here is my open as hemo rogue on mage: Sap->Cheap shot only -> Sap -> Cheap shot (should have 5 combo points here if not repeat 1 more time) -> 5 point Cold Blood evis. You can also add a gnomish death ray to this combo but remember the mage is likely to block your death ray. Optional open i do is 5 points through sap and cheap shot then garrotte & rupture without breaking sap and get a hemo in before he blinks. (This sometimes works much better after you have softened the mage and get a reset through a blind then you can watch them bleed to death with a smile on your face) If the mage has no shield you could potentially 1 shot the mage if they have less gear than you. 1 thing to also remember is IMMEDIATELY nade the mage after blink as most will go for the poly, if you aren't quick enough the poly will always batch with the nade and you have to be fast with your vanish or use your pvp trinket. A quick nade will stop you wasting your vanish and pvp trinket.
@@nitishchauhan8655 I've ran this open through classic and very rarely do you get bad rng on the sap. its the same as getting a resist on a ambush or a nade.
good locks with use a succubus and charm you in between your cheap shot and kidney rotation. SL/SL void sac is actually comically bad against rogues since you can sap it off, and you have two blinds in your tool kit. A lock has to get out of a stun lock to win, that’s why you’ll find them fuckin fools up with succubus timing.
A good idea for a video but really poorly made. The random footage in the background is really distracting and includes none of the ideas talked about.
There absolutely will be a guide with full clips, breakdowns, and shots of different 1v1s of each class and how to deal with them :) This guide was more of a talk, and I will be making a video showcasing the full 1v1 thought process on each fight
is the full guide out? PS thanks for ganking my WBs w/ ur dual servo arms lol
Yea let's discuss all the openers in completely random order and show some completely un-related footage along with it. On top of that let's explain to people that after Cheapshot, you have to Kidney shot.
Mage: Sapp-->cheapshot (whitout break)->Ambush->evis->nade->shoot
Love your vids, can you discuss it from meeting hardiness perspektive? I do not even bother to stun at this point since the risk of it not landing is to high.
After the ambush you should try to gouge, works only with perfect timing.
yeah as hemo especially, building combo points first can be the best play absolutely!
Its tough for some fights. rogue vs orc you should always try to sap first and then cheapshot ASAP. if it resists then restealth, resap, and then try again. From my experience, I usually dont miss my kidney after hitting the cheapshot, but if you're scared, then kidney a little early, and if it resists, then you should have enough reaction time to vanish.
Vs orc warrior its tough cause if they're in zerker stance. To check that you should just sap and then walk away so they don't shout you out of stealth. Orc shaman while in ghost wolf form you have no choice but to pray that your cheapshot hits. If it resists on the shaman then you *could* try for a quick vanish cheapshot again. Odds are you'll get the stun off the 2nd time
@@timosawi7990yea u gotta time the energy tick right before the ambush so u can gain the extra 5 energy needed for gouge
Against skilled dwarf warriors it can take up to 4-5 resets to get a kill. You got 2 blinds + 2 sprintvanishes + rocket helm + net trinket deadzone reset + sticky glue deadzone reset + magic dust. If you REALLY need to kill someone, you can use up to 8 resets + another 7 seconds of LIP facetanking. Skilled rogues can literally kill anything if they want it enough.
The quality of this guide would be a lot higher with some footage of the things you explain. Tbh, having random pvp in the background serves more as a distraction to the things you are trying to say.
Yeah absolutely! I'm working on putting together something with full duels against R14 or top pvpers on my server of each class to actually show and breakdown the fights themselves. This one in particular spawned from mostly people in chat asking about it and running into people in open world pvp messing up their openers.
You mention that with combat it is possible to stunlock, but when I open with CS > SS and then I want to Gouge I always don't have enough energy to cast it before the CS runs out. Am I missing something?
You just earned yourself a sub:) Absolutely fabolous content-you should do a video about an ideal pvp gear;)
What add on is the target debuff bar timer?!
I think you forget that spriest also has stun removal on pvp trinket, not a good idea to go for a stun lock thistle tea rotation. You really want to try bait out 1 of his fear using a well timed vanish or also zoning the fear with sprint. Either that or bait the trinket and reset holding energy for a gouge during the stun lock.
Massive help. Thumbs up a sub
Hi there, hope you don't mind the message. I've just basically started WoW in last 2 weeks, I'm debating a Mage or Rogue. What would you say is the easier of the two too get to grips of? i.e Rotation, PvP etc
Will you do another of these for TBC? :)
Two thunderfurrys ? Wow what loot system do you use that gives a rogue 2 legendary weapons ?
you cant use 2 thunderfuries
@@DrMaohu can
@@MC-nt7jz yeah ur totally right, wonder why I thought that 3 years ago lol
going with cheapshot on a mage isnt actually that bad - you make sure you build combo points faster, so you can burn his cooldowns and use it to your advantage. you can also prevent the blink if you go with cheapshot into gouge (mages cant blink the gouge), even if he blinks you can easly grenade him or use vanish if you are not engineer. after that you can cheapshot him again and go for a kidney which he will iceblock and probably blink again. You can also bait his iceblock with blind (99% chance mage will iceblock the blind). This is easy tactic to kill a mage even in pve spec, where you probably have improved sprint anyway (to break nova) as there is nothing better to pick in this build
all this stunlock idea is cool, until you get orc warrior resisting all of your stuns and smashing you with 2 gcds :)
Agree with this. We know the mage will blink the cheap shot. Which is why we open with it. It forces one of his two important cooldowns and gets us closer to our win condition.
nice video idea man good stuff!
My friend Vaj loves you.
whats adoons you use @sarthe
Where’s the Sarthe vs. Sophisticate?
dead zoning is the only way to kill an orc warrior (therefore the only way to kill a horde warrior)
Why is Thistle Tea Cheating, but a Blind is not? Both cost reagants and they're about of equal cost in both money and cooldowns.
Is that offhand thunderfury? Thats spicy
lets leave out all the clips of you getting rekt after trying to opening up on people with 25% life LOL
i enjoyed this thank you
Mages have an edge against non-gnome rogues.
A good idea for a video but really poorly made. The random footage in the background is really distracting and includes none of the ideas talked about.
"Unless you LAP" what is a LAP ?
Living action potion
Lmfao! That rogue who took the ice trap for you
If you're wielding dual TF's, just hit 'em, bam! dey ded
Can you share the macro for that weapon visual?
I have to disagree with you the best opener for a hemo rogue on a mage is not going to be ambush. Yes its very easy to do an ambush opener but take advantage of the huge evis damage hemo rogues have.
Here is my open as hemo rogue on mage: Sap->Cheap shot only -> Sap -> Cheap shot (should have 5 combo points here if not repeat 1 more time) -> 5 point Cold Blood evis.
You can also add a gnomish death ray to this combo but remember the mage is likely to block your death ray.
Optional open i do is 5 points through sap and cheap shot then garrotte & rupture without breaking sap and get a hemo in before he blinks. (This sometimes works much better after you have softened the mage and get a reset through a blind then you can watch them bleed to death with a smile on your face)
If the mage has no shield you could potentially 1 shot the mage if they have less gear than you. 1 thing to also remember is IMMEDIATELY nade the mage after blink as most will go for the poly, if you aren't quick enough the poly will always batch with the nade and you have to be fast with your vanish or use your pvp trinket. A quick nade will stop you wasting your vanish and pvp trinket.
I think it’s because a good mage, won’t let you proceed with the cheap shot combo, not to mention the rng required for the sap to stay
This ignores the fact that sap is rng and very often sap will break before you have to re-stealth for your second cheapshot.
@@pedropierre9594 if a mage were to block on your evis you can just gouge off block then evis, or blind and evis off that.
@@nitishchauhan8655 I've ran this open through classic and very rarely do you get bad rng on the sap. its the same as getting a resist on a ambush or a nade.
This is Xanwich's homie. Now i know why you were out ganking all day. You have been forgiven. :D
Minus you editing out my kill on you :(
I'm curious about to see a duel against a good demo SL/SL with blue pet.
Just say a prayer
good locks with use a succubus and charm you in between your cheap shot and kidney rotation. SL/SL void sac is actually comically bad against rogues since you can sap it off, and you have two blinds in your tool kit. A lock has to get out of a stun lock to win, that’s why you’ll find them fuckin fools up with succubus timing.
If you have a good dagger, you can burts them down real good between burst windows, if you get lucky cross they can die super fast.
nice video,u rock
My full tier2.5 set rogue with Renatakis Charm and hemo spec melts any class in secs
God I love fighting rogues on my hunter. Nom nom nom.
Yeah, no.
You're all fighting mages wrong. You CS and immediately gouge a mage. Period.
Sorry but I can't take serious somebody teaching pvp who has evasion, blind and sprint binded as 0, -, and =
A good idea for a video but really poorly made. The random footage in the background is really distracting and includes none of the ideas talked about.