The best part of this is knowing how videos are made, and recognizing that the behind the scenes of this intro has to be hilariously goofy. edit: that "thing" is called a cloche... or if you're not a dingus, it's a pot lid :P double edit: just sayin if you want more info on the Allagan/Merycidia war my "history of hydaelyn" video talks about it spoiler free
Jesse here plugging himself like a new streamer desperate for views? Gasp! Honestly you've got a few videos that I'm hoping they watch. The Endsinger vs. Jailer one is a big one.
@@Boethionand Ul'dahn income inequality and Royalists vs Syndicate. As much as Garrett complains that Merlwyb doesn't get enough screen time, Limsa Lominsa is the only starting city whose main plot actually gets resolved instead of swept under the rug.
28:20 To me in that scene G'raha is just thinking "This man shot me, kidnapped, and tortured me and now you're his best friend?." And Estinien is just like "I don't even know who these people are."
In real world myth, dragons have treasure hoards. In FF14, dragons don't have treasure hoards... except for Vtra. I feel like FF14 did something clever here with this dungeon.
it's a genuinely hilarious plot point that you go treasure hunting only to find out the treasure you found is the hoard belonging to your dragon friend. It's clever and I love it.
Garret identified exactly why I call FFXIV my favorite book series I’ve ever played. Stuff like president dragon really feels like the kind of diatribe George RR or Tolkien would go on to help build the world in a fantasy novel. But in an RPG? The last thing I’d expect.
I love it. the world feels more lived in, and it's so joyous to me that the game actually broaches the subject of what happens to regular people after the world almost ends but is saved by the heroes in the nick of time.
I think the "endwalker is bad" discourse didn't really hit full stride until the end of 6.2/6.3 Nothing Endwalker put out was bad really, but the longer release cycle and focus on QoL content made the patches feel more sparse than they were and caused many folks to feel left behind.
I think it really got bad with afew big content creators stepping away from FFXIV and making "Why I don't like Endwalker" videos. Fans be crazy. Honestly, I loved the patch content.
@@cobbil I liked the content, but I burned myself out on raiding. It didn't really feel like there was much else I could do with my friends outside of that this expansion. I took a step away for a while like a normal human being (some content creators don't seem to realize the way they interact with the game is fundamentally different than a normal player) and now I am back hanging with friends a couple times a week and looking forward to the new expansion.
Honestly there was no better time to do the Qol patches than endwalker. I took a good long break, and am still on a partial break from the game because endwalker felt like a good stopping point for a while. I was completely satisfied with the ending and had no issue with not logging in and playing regularly. I wasn't as invested in the patch stories because like I said, I was coming down from the incredible high that endwalker ended on. I felt no pressure to log in each time a new patch released, instead just decided to do them whenever I got the feeling to continue. The people complaining about there not being much to do in endwalker are the same people playing everyday without finding other things to do.
@@luckytanuki5449 I don't disagree with the "no better time" for it. I can't say there is ever going to be a good time, because its a pain period that HAS to be done and now is the logical time for it. People hate the "play other games" response, but I went and played baldur's gate 3, some ace attorney games, ff7 rebirth, read some books. Those who put all their entertainment eggs in one basket are a little strange to me.
I think part of it was the Stormblood effect but worse, where instead of regional exploration and focus, it shotgunned a massive amount of societies globally and only dipped into each one briefly. You could have honestly broken up Endwalker into like 2 or 3 separate expansions and deeply fleshed out the regions. Thanavir which has been name dropped and hyped since ARR had it's entire northern (and superior jungle) half get relegated to a dungeon. Most of the ilsabard continent is still unknown, as is most of garlemald such as Corvus. So once the hype of the MSQ settled it kind of felt rushed and kind of empty voided compared to the regional focused expansions like HW/ShB. The QOL stuff was definitely part of it but was necessary as the tech debt for ff14 was building up.
It genuinely annoys me when people say "This is a standalone story that doesn't seem to lead into anything in the future." It's honestly such a a dumb take. Sure, even if it doesn't lead up to anything right away in Dawntrail, XIV has always had to use pre-established lore to lay breadcrumbs for the future even if it's not directly connected right now. The warriors of darkness were the same way in Heavensward.
Exactly this. They always setup 2 expansions in advance. This is setup for the expansion after Dawn Trail and all of it will become highly relevant in the future for sure. Yugiri also gets introduced post ARR then not touched until Stormblood and so on.
I agree. What 6.1 seems to be hinting is if we learn how to travel to the Void world, the 13th, how can we use this knowledge to let Y'Shtola visit Runaar was where I thought this was setting up. Which then expands to can we do this for the rest of the reflections? That is primo future expansion bait.
Weird to say Ivalice didn't matter when bozja was all dependent on it. Sure, it wasn't necessary for MSQ, but you don't get the diablo armament without all the auracite summons that happened in bozja/zadnor
And also pointing out the major threat that was the downfall of the 13th was Auracite itself and how memories/ memoria can be used for power which was introduced in Ivalice and Bozja. Ivalice will defenilty be relevant in the void expansion 8.0.
We're missing audience replay from this one because it'd all be smiley faces from people sitting on their hands. We can neither confirm nor deny the deliciousness of that theory Kyle cooked up.
Recall the Void Ark. Voidsent summoning is contractual magic. The Null Rod doesn't kill voidsent, but voids their contacts forcing them back to their world
Nier raids added nothing to world building of 14, compared to Ivalice. I like the Nier raids content wise but story wise, they added nothing were pretty damn dry. Instead of getting a raid about Ronka or something else, a Nier story got shoehorned in. It could of been a one off trial like the Monster Hunter one.
@@QuintemTA I can't help but wonder if somehow that Nier stuff is going to be worked back in with reflection travel when that gets introduced. Drakkenguard and Nier already had some of that in its world.
@@QuintemTA Yeah, Ivalice's influence so far has basically been to highlight the corrupting (and possibly otherworldly) influence of auracite, which outside of Unukalhai mentioning something similar in passing is not seen very much.
See, we all call it filler and then 2 expansions from now they're going to make it a central storyline and its going to completely recontextualize the entire patch story.
I do not call it filler. Everything has come back and been a factor in the game afterwards with the exception of the game crossover stuff as far as I know.
That may be true, but it won't stop this entire patch arc from feeling like filler. There's a reason so many people, including Garret and Kyle, have identified how filler arc it feels... Because it does. And they haven't even gotten to the next couple patches yet, where it becomes all the more apparent. Bringing back some character(s) or plot threads from this arc later on will never retroactively make what happened here better.
@@candykit5382 It's not comparable because the Heavensward patches were not solely focused on the Warriors of Darkness. They were one aspect, among the continuing Heavensward story which concluded in 3.3, as well as direct setup for Stormblood and its storylines, as well as cleaning up loose ends from ARR (bringing back still missing scions, introducing Krile, etc.). There was a lot going in those patches that kept them feeling like filler in the same way the Endwalker ones do.
@@ThousandDragoonLink spoken like someone who wasnt playing in hw. The content absolutely was seen as filller and was hated at the time as derailing the story for characters we would never see again. It's only good in retrospect as you arent waiting 4 months for 1 to 2 hours of content of side characters.
Radz At Han is rebuilding, it got hit hard by the Final Days, so I really like the politics part. A theme of Endwalker is after tragedy we start again and carry on, and Radz At Han as a nation is recovering from that tragedy.
Man, this is one place where I'll disagree with Garrett, because I absolutely *love* that kind of crunchy detail. GIVE ME MORE PRESIDENT DRAGON'S WEST WING
I think they're getting way too impatient due to the imminent 7.0 drop, which they want to catch for some reason. Despite the fact that the structure of their content means they CAN'T be current for a while yet. Which is a good thing.
CBU3 also catches a lot of crap from the community when things happen too "conveniently", so they really like to focus on the mortar between the plot bricks. It's something they've always done, and personally I really appreciate it. I get why others don't, though.
please do, but by mercy please do it in yellow (or blue) quests, and leave the MSQ alone (I actually would've enjoyed it way more had it been outside of MSQ)
I think the President Dragon scene is important because it gives insight to Vtra. Vtra Has a sister lost to the void, He has a tear to manipulate and could put people to work on it, but it would endanger his city. His talking of Taxes and what to do with the money is him going deep into "I can't do this very painful thing, I have a city to run! So much to do, no time to dwell on things!" Which is why it ends on the whole "his people want him to think of himself for once" scene. Also, it adds a moment in game where they are like "Yeah, we have a resolution to the massive destruction of the final days. and everyone is going to be fine" Lastly, it is highly amusing to me that a LITERAL dragon with a LITERAL dragon hoard is using his money in a nicer and kinder way than any of the Syndicate members in Ul'dah
primal summoning is creation magic. void summoning is actual summoning from another dimension. primal disperse back into aether when they die. just like bahamut, alexander, and the waring triad
I agree the Thavnair political stuff wasn't interesting, but I appreciate that the writers wanted to highlight that the devastation of the Final Days didn't just magically fade away with the conclusion of 6.0. The parts of the world hit the hardest are still healing. It was also nice that they put a bow on the Khalzahl dude (the one they name the orphanage after), even if the MSQ really didn't make us care much about him at all.
The lack of content in between patch’s made many players think the post endwalker msq for 6.1 onwards was uninteresting; it didn’t help that it was done on the first day it came out. The story is great and will be relevant in a future expansion, like what happened with the warriors of darkness in post heavensward. In my opinion some players don’t understand the importance of setting up the foundation for a good story.
they called it bad because Island Sanctuaries ended up being a spread sheet simulator, NO relic grind or Exploration zone (3 additional raids), alliance raids being so easy they make repeat farming boring as hell, and Criterion dungeons not being midcore plus not having decent rewards for the difficulty, and no trial series story. GG hasn't really experienced why people were frustrated with Endwalker.
I enjoyed a lot 6.1 and 6.2, very meaty story patches, 6.3 and 6.4 were hmmm more disappointing (not a lot of importance happens on those two) and then 6.5 managed to catchup again but at that point I really wanted this side story to just end 😅. I know those storyline will for sure be important eventually, I just think it was maybe too long and as I played FFIV there was just too much I knew it was going to happen, so the sense of surprise was diminished a lot by playing an old FF game.
@@siyrean Yeah, I don't really recall hearing any of my friends say they hate the patch MSQ. A friend of mine and myself we didn't like experiencing the ending of 6.4 and then having to wait for months until we could do anything about this situation at that point, but that's about it. There was plenty of patch criticism around but it was for most of the other stuff (and lack thereof).
Emet-Selch Bucket List: Ruins beneath the waters of the Bounty - Check Treasure islands beyond Blindfrost (North of Othard) The fabled golden cities of the New World - Dawntrail Sacred sites in the South Sea isles Merycidia - Touched upon The true nature of the twelve - In progress Civilizations of the reflections - To the Void with us! Making some good work on this, methinks
I love pointing out that Y'shtola and WoL entering the restricted section of the library is played out exactly how you enter Gubal Library right down to the music. They made it look like a dungeon intro.
World building is often necessarily mundane, I think. There's also something inherently funny to me about a dragon doing mundane day to day governance. Some people really like the political world building, especially because it often grows into more interesting stories down the road, but the seeds are planted in a way that doesn't seem interesting at the time. You don't get the ARR patch finale without setting up the political tensions in Ul'dah (although some of the crystal brave stuff in ARR could be shorter, I think the 6.1 stuff is over with pretty quick)
To be fair, when it came time for Vrtra to step up, we all cried for Dragon President Vrtra. It only seems fair we actually see our Dragon President working his office duties.
It is definely an interesting conversation, after endwalker i had such an EXPERIENCE, all the lore, the stakes i was definely ready to just talk about something else, something more chill after 6.0, and that's what i got, i was very content with it. Of course with FFXIV we always have some slow moment that almost takes you out of it but they deliver at the end of things. Before playing Endwalker and seeing the DawnTRAILER i was like "Really... Monster hunter island?" after playing it i'm like "YES... NEW ERA, NEW ADVENTURES, NEW CHRACTERS" after such a SAGA it makes perfect sense to me, 6.1 starts to show other facets of the lore, i mean, they reseted even the gods, no more bad ascians (we think), no more Hydaelyn, Zodiark, no more Evil empire Garleans trying to invade lands all the time. I really like post endwalker, if feels POST 10 YEAR SAGA.
As I understand it, a SMN's summons is essentially an aetheric construct based on our experience of primal aether. It's something that we essentially create. A RPR's avatar is an already existing voidsent that we make a pact with and essentially become a portal for it to come through and fight our enemies.
@@Qemdoulum turns out i was wrong both in reality and in my interpretation because apparently they did actually have an editor for that video (not sure if will be consistent now, but definitely for that one.) so just forget my sass ^_^
As one of the two people that tried to correct you on the pronunciation of Unukalhai I feel seen. Also if you say Unukalhai into speech to text on an Android phone it spells it out because Unukalhai is a thing outside of Final Fantasy. Unukalhai
in a sense you are right about the "continuation/conclusion" imagine a dragon murderer with nothing in his mind besides revenge, paying for a map to help an orphan... Yshtola still keeps searching for knowledge but she also knows when to take breaks to go on a newfound adventure... Graha just wanted one more adventure with the WoL, and he gets it... pd. the music when the Knight in Black appears was a HUGE nod to ff4 fans and when the 4 "elements" walked in ... was a real "OMG they will do it"
At this point in time everyone saw this as a setup for a Meracydia expansion following the events of 5.5. And some of the lore from the beginning of this series really contributed to that speculation
Always keep in mind that when the Warriors of Darkness story was coming out a large portion of the community complained that it felt like filler and it wouldn't connect to anything. We can see how that turned out.
I'm just gonna smile here and wait for Thursday. Also, you guys really need to finish playing through RPR job quests. It's very good lore and relevant.
“I would not keep my children in any sort of names order if I had clutches of them”. I want to see that on a T-shirt and I want to see what kind of community art interpretations of that sentence could be made 😂
Cool theories Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them. (I always love hearing your theory crafting and seeing how these wild swings are both right and wrong.) 42:32 - OMG, such Inscryption vibes. Really had to give Kudos to the insert gag :D
I loved endwalker. My main issue was post X story beats was to similar to previous ones. I thought 6.0 was the best expansion. And 1-5.5 was medium except for the raids (which were a ton of fun) and 6.2
I liked the EW patch story, It serves as a bridge between major arcs and sets up major themes that the devs can pick up for later stories. With regards to the 6.1 tax story, FFXIV has always been concerned with the aftereffects of war and disasters in a fairly realistic way. It serves to root what we do in a living, continuing world.
In defense of dragon taxes, the whole reason you went to the dungeon was to make some money to aid the orphans. If they went to the void stuff without resolving that, there would be complaints
I personally love the aesthetic, the music, and the lore behind it. It's one of my favorite dungeons, but my WoL is an Ala Mhigan so that's definitely a huge part of it.
Both of your thoughts about the shade were really interesting. At the time I played this patch I didn’t put any effort into trying to connect dots. You guys inspire me to try harder to think things through going forward 😁
Pre-industrial, textile manufacturing took up a LOT of time and effort. AND there is a lot of space in Rads-at-han itself dedicated to textile production, with rooms full of looms, and mulberry leaves for silk production. This is Vtira's treasure hoard, so of course it would contain lovely fabrics.
Remember that they regularly do "filler" things like this only to bring it back multiple expansions later, rather than having it tie directly into the next expansion (the next-expansion-setup content is usually in later X.4, X.5, and the like). The Doman refugees were postgame patch filler content in ARR, then Doman liberation was central to Stormblood, two expansions later. Warriors of Darkness were postgame patch filler content in ARR, and ended up being central to Shadowbringers, two expansions later. Stormblood's postgame content with the changes in Garlemald were presumably setting up stuff for a Garlemald expansion, before the team decided to have the big wrap-up expansion be the next one after Shadowbringers. I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff we're seeing set up here becomes central in a later expansion after Dawntrail.
as a person who didn't enjoy EW Patch MSQ, I actually did like 6.1 a lot (and I don't even like Shtola that much), the "problems" appear later for me (but I won't elaborate to avoid any spoilery)
Always remember that the Warriors of Darkness were introduced in a post HW patch then ended up becoming the main part of ShB years later. Also I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say I'm curious when you'll do the "Beyond the Rift" questline!
So Reapers enter a pact with a voidsent that allows them to act as an anchor for the voidsent to exist in our world without the use of a planar fissure or voidgate. Because of said pact the voidsent must do the bidding of its reaper host as the two until ones demise are bound. That also goes to show that this voidsent is now free meaning Zenos is gone for good. The Reaper art was an ancient Garlean art used heavily before the advent of magitek saw their order phased out (among other events which I shan't spoil.)
Whatever peoples views on "filler content" is doesnt really matter. The writers at CBU3 think its important enough to be full-on MSQ, and so whether that pay off is in DT or in 3 expansions (Crystal Tower), it's definitely going to matter. If theres huge important moments in "side content" like Coils, Eden, or Aglaia, just know CBU3 think that this arc is more critical than those.
I would argue that at this point Final Fantasy Tactics, 12 and Ivalice as a whole overall is one of the most impactful and adapated sets of ideas for 14. They borrowed alot from these games for over all world building.
As an Endwalker enjoyer my attitude towards everything post-6.0 was that I needed a vacation after saving the world. I wanted to enjoy the world I just saved, and maybe wrap up some loose ends. Casual aloha shirt glam and all. Speaking of loose ends please don't forget the EW role quests as they tie into the MSQ a bit more than even ShB ones did.
They didn't trim the fat because they took what is normally a rather short segment of content over three patches and turned it into the core of 5 patches so they needed every scrap they could get. Edit: I just choked on my coffee when I heard Mr. Plinkett.
The 13th and how they approach it has always given me a sense of trepidation, mostly because the Void Quests are side content that is extremely important to any ongoing plot that involves the 13th. But it's also locked behind doing every Shadowbringers role quest and some extreme HW primals so it can't really be made part of the MSQ in the same way that say Crystal Tower became MSQ content, not without heavy reworking at least. How can FFXIV ever have a full, satisfying storyline that utilizes the 13th without involving Cylva and Unukalhai? Now if any writing team can wrangle something out of this it's XIV's, and personally I really enjoyed the 6.x MSQ. But I can at least explain why I think the FFXIV might be more hesitant to really delve deep into the Void for future content. But in any case, always enjoy these summary videos. Too many streamers just blow through everything and don't really post their thoughts as standalone content and I love this stuff.
I don't really consider this story arc 'filler', any more than the warriors of darkness in 3.x were 'filler'. it's clearly laying the groundwork for things down the line. also- on your issues with the 'president dragon' stuff- the fact that the game lets you check back in with the normal people you saved and help them rebuild after the big catastrophes is, straight up, THE biggest reason I prefer this game over WoW. I love getting to hang out in the world I saved, that actually behaves as if the events I played through actually happened.
I agree! I love that after the drama and destruction, we usually get to check in with normal people and help them rebuild. I also loved helping Mayor Chai settle in :)
Look, idk which patch unlocked it but there is a lvl90(not 80 with sync) yellow quest in Sharlayan near the docks that is called A Heartless Hypothesis (or similar) that I have just now done and IT BROUGHT MY CLOSER TO TEARS than any yellow quest has the right to (I don't really ever cry when reading/watching, so this is basically tears)... It's a wrap up that I wanted for a long time and never thought I was going to get and I consider it mandatory. Hint, you will be walking around with 2 minions from Stormblood. There's a similar gut punch tie-up in Thavnair for patch content. From now on, for me ANY sidequest that doesn't have sync but is at max lvl instead looks EXTREMELY SUS. It's also short and sweet so anyone reading this just go do it. Do it.
It's important to remember that a decent chunk of the hate was because Zepla had a for lack of a better word Meltdown over being unable to beat ToP and ranting about how "Endwalker bad" because of it and then people saw this as an opportunity to dog on FFXIV as a whole because it doesn't fit their particular mold
Is that the chronology of how that happened? Dang, I just remembered a weird influx of "Endwalker bad" content. Didn't know Zepla was a possible main contributor to that.
Yeah, Endwalker has seen plenty of valid criticism but the actual _haters_ have been off their rocker in every aspect. Anyone with half a braincell describes it, _at the worst,_ as just "underwhelming", and even that is more harsh than most I've seen.
I know that in addition to Zepla another UA-camr also described it as the worst thing, beckoned by Zepla’s decrying. That, I think, also set the haters off.
@@msaag5490Yup. Zepla made her video claiming Endwalker was the "Worst Expansion", then some guy who had quit the game years ago and hadn't even played since ShB came in and ranted about how the game wasn't how he like it (citing the people who like the story and RP clubbing as part of the problem) and giving takes even a hard ass like Xeno thought were delusional.
@@Vfanatic1 Oh, I think I've seen bits of this other guy's video. I remember him being mad at people who liked the story, which is probably the most insane take I've heard. I like FF14 because I can recommend it as either a JRPG or an MMO because FF14 can do both very well.
i think the president dragon scene shows how vrtra cares his people and in turn how his people cares for him. addressing how khalzahl is a victim and should not be remember as monster is very sweet imo. with trusts and supports of his people he was able to move forward and try saving his sister. also kyle’s analysis on the reaper voidsent hands on face thing is very interesting. wonder if it is intentional or kyle is just special great edits as always.
I am a strong supporter of the 6.1-6.5 story. Some of it is because of my love of FFIV, but much of it is because of some of the characters in the story. I think one thing people reacted to, perhaps subconsciously, is that Endwalker is when CBU3 went from a three-month patch cycle to a four-month patch cycle. It feels more content-sparse because new content is coming through more slowly. I still don't think that's *bad* because it lets me try other fun things without worrying about shorting my FFXIV experience.
That dungeon, Alzadaal Ruins, is a surprising throwback to FFXI. It was a raid series in that game (actually more than one), one of the best forms of midcore content that Square Enix has ever made in its MMOs. XI players saw it and screamed in delight. Even the mobs were straight out of it. The Darbar gear set is also really really nice for dungeon gear!
Beyond the new world there are only 2 major regions we have yet to explore. Mericidia and the western provinces north of doma. This sets a stage to allow you to go elsewhere for new adventures by giving you all the other reflections.
Realistically we've only seen the far north of Ilsabard and Southern points of Othard. We also still haven't seen Hingashi in earnest and there's still a LOT of societal issues there specifically. We have a lot to still see. There's also northern Eorzea.
For the record I enjoyed the black rose quest and the inclusion of the whole money element and is calling back on our past experience for an orphanage.
Garret. Without Return to Ivalice, you don't get Bozja. As someone who said they liked Bozja, and someone who already stated they eat a lot of crow about what they say, I demand Eating more Crow.
@@Amovetv That's Cap. In Ivalice, of 12 bosses you fight, 11 are Lucavi derived from auracite. The XIIth Famfrit, the Cucthlain boss, the primary means of fusing the Blades of Gunhildr are derived from Auracite. That's All of Bozja. I Couldn't and still Can't say more, until they're caught up.
I liked it. You also have to remember that these were far apart for others. They're fleshing out the world, giving it meat and substance. Mundane problems exist too and I think it's okay if its not ALWAYS walking into the wind-boss-music-final-fight-while-wearing-leather scene after scene. As a returner, this was all happening for me at once, but I'm here for them to do some story telling, even if it feels like an extended edition scene.
I'm happy that you guys are enjoying your vacation alongside Lil JC before the you know, the upcoming vacation expansion. 17:37 It's ironic that both of you forgot the events of 3.1, the patch that introduced us to Krile, considering a few moments ago you guys just mentioned how they sidelining Krile again. Her not being included in the promotional artwork for Endwalker certainly did not help. I'm honestly interested in how big her role will be in Dawntrail.
My "endwalker was meh" was just 6.0. I just finished 6.1 for my standard "catch up before xpac release" and I know it is tied in to a prior FF, which I am a fan of. So it is slightly interesting to me currently.
It's been said countless times but I love watching you guys theorycrafting. The times when you're dead wrong are funny, sure, but I'm sure I'm not alone in loving the times when you're super right and just don't know it yet. Because in those cases I get to savour the anticipation of your hype when you do find out. Also, as an aside, watching you guys dissect and reflect on stuff is very satisfying too, because that's not something I imagine most people do when just absorbing the game on their own solo playthroughs. It mirrors the discussions one might have with friends in the days following a patch, and is proof of the evergreen nature of this kind of content, even once you're caught up. If anything, it'll be even better once you DO catch up because then you can dig right into the discussions, live with everyone else.
I kinda feel like 6.x isn't stand alone and is setting up for a future expansion like 8.0 or something. Kinda like how the Warriors of Darkness in 3.x were setting up for Shadowbringers.
I love the post game patches in Endwalker the post game patches post Endwalker are like a small scale expansion separate from the main game Endwalker stuff.
6.X stuff honestly feels like some good B plots that have been just around for a while if you look for the crumbs. But *ruffels hair to stand on end, looking at the camera and waving hands* Allagans... it all goes back to Allagans
The best part of this is knowing how videos are made, and recognizing that the behind the scenes of this intro has to be hilariously goofy.
edit: that "thing" is called a cloche... or if you're not a dingus, it's a pot lid :P
double edit: just sayin if you want more info on the Allagan/Merycidia war my "history of hydaelyn" video talks about it spoiler free
Jesse here plugging himself like a new streamer desperate for views? Gasp!
Honestly you've got a few videos that I'm hoping they watch. The Endsinger vs. Jailer one is a big one.
I beg for Grinding gear reacts to History of Hydaelyn
Deeply wishing for a continuation of that history of hydaelyn series
Garrett: "Thing X isn't / won't be relevant/important"
Writers: "How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, hair man?!"
Right? Like be for real. It was Ivalice all along bby
Prepare the clip in advance, bois XD
The day things stop being relevant is when they announce that FF14 is ending and no more expansions will come out.
@@msaag5490 Meanwhile Gridanian racism and Elementals...
@@Boethionand Ul'dahn income inequality and Royalists vs Syndicate. As much as Garrett complains that Merlwyb doesn't get enough screen time, Limsa Lominsa is the only starting city whose main plot actually gets resolved instead of swept under the rug.
28:20 To me in that scene G'raha is just thinking "This man shot me, kidnapped, and tortured me and now you're his best friend?." And Estinien is just like "I don't even know who these people are."
In real world myth, dragons have treasure hoards. In FF14, dragons don't have treasure hoards... except for Vtra.
I feel like FF14 did something clever here with this dungeon.
And yet, Vrtra's ACTUAL hoard was the country he made along the way.
It's very funny and clever
@@hobogray6385 I'm immediately put to mind of that tumblr of unusual dragon hordes:
Hoard of Auri and Elephantfolk
it's a genuinely hilarious plot point that you go treasure hunting only to find out the treasure you found is the hoard belonging to your dragon friend. It's clever and I love it.
Garret identified exactly why I call FFXIV my favorite book series I’ve ever played. Stuff like president dragon really feels like the kind of diatribe George RR or Tolkien would go on to help build the world in a fantasy novel. But in an RPG? The last thing I’d expect.
I love it. the world feels more lived in, and it's so joyous to me that the game actually broaches the subject of what happens to regular people after the world almost ends but is saved by the heroes in the nick of time.
I think the "endwalker is bad" discourse didn't really hit full stride until the end of 6.2/6.3
Nothing Endwalker put out was bad really, but the longer release cycle and focus on QoL content made the patches feel more sparse than they were and caused many folks to feel left behind.
I think it really got bad with afew big content creators stepping away from FFXIV and making "Why I don't like Endwalker" videos. Fans be crazy.
Honestly, I loved the patch content.
@@cobbil I liked the content, but I burned myself out on raiding. It didn't really feel like there was much else I could do with my friends outside of that this expansion. I took a step away for a while like a normal human being (some content creators don't seem to realize the way they interact with the game is fundamentally different than a normal player) and now I am back hanging with friends a couple times a week and looking forward to the new expansion.
Honestly there was no better time to do the Qol patches than endwalker. I took a good long break, and am still on a partial break from the game because endwalker felt like a good stopping point for a while. I was completely satisfied with the ending and had no issue with not logging in and playing regularly. I wasn't as invested in the patch stories because like I said, I was coming down from the incredible high that endwalker ended on. I felt no pressure to log in each time a new patch released, instead just decided to do them whenever I got the feeling to continue. The people complaining about there not being much to do in endwalker are the same people playing everyday without finding other things to do.
@@luckytanuki5449 I don't disagree with the "no better time" for it. I can't say there is ever going to be a good time, because its a pain period that HAS to be done and now is the logical time for it. People hate the "play other games" response, but I went and played baldur's gate 3, some ace attorney games, ff7 rebirth, read some books. Those who put all their entertainment eggs in one basket are a little strange to me.
I think part of it was the Stormblood effect but worse, where instead of regional exploration and focus, it shotgunned a massive amount of societies globally and only dipped into each one briefly. You could have honestly broken up Endwalker into like 2 or 3 separate expansions and deeply fleshed out the regions. Thanavir which has been name dropped and hyped since ARR had it's entire northern (and superior jungle) half get relegated to a dungeon. Most of the ilsabard continent is still unknown, as is most of garlemald such as Corvus.
So once the hype of the MSQ settled it kind of felt rushed and kind of empty voided compared to the regional focused expansions like HW/ShB. The QOL stuff was definitely part of it but was necessary as the tech debt for ff14 was building up.
Y'shtola is now rapidly approaching your office due to the existence of the thumbnail for this video
They really played up the silly Y'Shtola moments didn't they.
She can just de-orbit a meteor...
So you're threatening them with a good time?
@@4mb127 Before being vaporized by said meteor, we will remind Y'Shtola that she never refuted the claim that she wanted to touch the device.
@@msaag5490 That just makes the Meteir come down faster or you get blown up by an "Flare" casted on you
It genuinely annoys me when people say "This is a standalone story that doesn't seem to lead into anything in the future." It's honestly such a a dumb take. Sure, even if it doesn't lead up to anything right away in Dawntrail, XIV has always had to use pre-established lore to lay breadcrumbs for the future even if it's not directly connected right now. The warriors of darkness were the same way in Heavensward.
Very true
Exactly this. They always setup 2 expansions in advance. This is setup for the expansion after Dawn Trail and all of it will become highly relevant in the future for sure. Yugiri also gets introduced post ARR then not touched until Stormblood and so on.
I agree. What 6.1 seems to be hinting is if we learn how to travel to the Void world, the 13th, how can we use this knowledge to let Y'Shtola visit Runaar was where I thought this was setting up. Which then expands to can we do this for the rest of the reflections? That is primo future expansion bait.
Omg, finally someone said it, thank you!
This is EXACTLY what I assume is happening here. The expansion AFTER Dawntrail or even the one after will most likely tie back to the 13th again.
Weird to say Ivalice didn't matter when bozja was all dependent on it. Sure, it wasn't necessary for MSQ, but you don't get the diablo armament without all the auracite summons that happened in bozja/zadnor
And also pointing out the major threat that was the downfall of the 13th was Auracite itself and how memories/ memoria can be used for power which was introduced in Ivalice and Bozja. Ivalice will defenilty be relevant in the void expansion 8.0.
[Garrett] "I was right about this one"
[John Cena] "ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT"
*disembodied, familiar evil laughter*
*Laughs in (spoiler)*
Oh Garrett’s face during Kyle’s shade cooking is FANTASTIC.
We're missing audience replay from this one because it'd all be smiley faces from people sitting on their hands. We can neither confirm nor deny the deliciousness of that theory Kyle cooked up.
@@katarh Its ok let them cook we get more memes :P
I can totally see Matoya shaking her head and muttering how Y'sthola would regret that incantation one day.
Matoya would love knowing that Y'shtola would one day have to belt that out again as a fully grown adult though
@@ngwoo Oh definitely.
Matoya would probably say that while speaking from experience lol
Recall the Void Ark. Voidsent summoning is contractual magic. The Null Rod doesn't kill voidsent, but voids their contacts forcing them back to their world
Funny enough, Ivalice raids are strangely relevant if you explore the right corners of this expansion.
Most of it is still "pointless" but there's just _a couple little things..._
@@pedroscoponi4905it's very relevant if you payed attention to the zodiac brave legend and the auracite. As it directly feeds into 5.2 and 5.3.
Nier raids added nothing to world building of 14, compared to Ivalice. I like the Nier raids content wise but story wise, they added nothing were pretty damn dry. Instead of getting a raid about Ronka or something else, a Nier story got shoehorned in. It could of been a one off trial like the Monster Hunter one.
@@QuintemTA I can't help but wonder if somehow that Nier stuff is going to be worked back in with reflection travel when that gets introduced. Drakkenguard and Nier already had some of that in its world.
@@QuintemTA Yeah, Ivalice's influence so far has basically been to highlight the corrupting (and possibly otherworldly) influence of auracite, which outside of Unukalhai mentioning something similar in passing is not seen very much.
See, we all call it filler and then 2 expansions from now they're going to make it a central storyline and its going to completely recontextualize the entire patch story.
I do not call it filler. Everything has come back and been a factor in the game afterwards with the exception of the game crossover stuff as far as I know.
That may be true, but it won't stop this entire patch arc from feeling like filler. There's a reason so many people, including Garret and Kyle, have identified how filler arc it feels... Because it does. And they haven't even gotten to the next couple patches yet, where it becomes all the more apparent. Bringing back some character(s) or plot threads from this arc later on will never retroactively make what happened here better.
@@ThousandDragoonLink warriors of darkness
@@candykit5382 It's not comparable because the Heavensward patches were not solely focused on the Warriors of Darkness. They were one aspect, among the continuing Heavensward story which concluded in 3.3, as well as direct setup for Stormblood and its storylines, as well as cleaning up loose ends from ARR (bringing back still missing scions, introducing Krile, etc.). There was a lot going in those patches that kept them feeling like filler in the same way the Endwalker ones do.
@@ThousandDragoonLink spoken like someone who wasnt playing in hw. The content absolutely was seen as filller and was hated at the time as derailing the story for characters we would never see again. It's only good in retrospect as you arent waiting 4 months for 1 to 2 hours of content of side characters.
Radz At Han is rebuilding, it got hit hard by the Final Days, so I really like the politics part. A theme of Endwalker is after tragedy we start again and carry on, and Radz At Han as a nation is recovering from that tragedy.
"I'm just excited for the trauma" is just me every time I play new FFXIV story. Can't wait for our traumatic vacation in DT.
Man, this is one place where I'll disagree with Garrett, because I absolutely *love* that kind of crunchy detail. GIVE ME MORE PRESIDENT DRAGON'S WEST WING
I think they're getting way too impatient due to the imminent 7.0 drop, which they want to catch for some reason. Despite the fact that the structure of their content means they CAN'T be current for a while yet. Which is a good thing.
CBU3 also catches a lot of crap from the community when things happen too "conveniently", so they really like to focus on the mortar between the plot bricks. It's something they've always done, and personally I really appreciate it. I get why others don't, though.
please do, but by mercy please do it in yellow (or blue) quests, and leave the MSQ alone (I actually would've enjoyed it way more had it been outside of MSQ)
...looking forward to more spice and wolf
'Alisaie and....Red Alisaie?' Considering you literally JUST spoke to the voice of Blue Alisaie, this brain fart killed me.
Atleast it's Alphi, the safer half of the twins to mess up the name of xD.
I think the President Dragon scene is important because it gives insight to Vtra. Vtra Has a sister lost to the void, He has a tear to manipulate and could put people to work on it, but it would endanger his city. His talking of Taxes and what to do with the money is him going deep into "I can't do this very painful thing, I have a city to run! So much to do, no time to dwell on things!" Which is why it ends on the whole "his people want him to think of himself for once" scene.
Also, it adds a moment in game where they are like "Yeah, we have a resolution to the massive destruction of the final days. and everyone is going to be fine"
Lastly, it is highly amusing to me that a LITERAL dragon with a LITERAL dragon hoard is using his money in a nicer and kinder way than any of the Syndicate members in Ul'dah
primal summoning is creation magic. void summoning is actual summoning from another dimension. primal disperse back into aether when they die. just like bahamut, alexander, and the waring triad
Kyle winning the staring contest with every boss will never not be funny to me.
I agree the Thavnair political stuff wasn't interesting, but I appreciate that the writers wanted to highlight that the devastation of the Final Days didn't just magically fade away with the conclusion of 6.0. The parts of the world hit the hardest are still healing. It was also nice that they put a bow on the Khalzahl dude (the one they name the orphanage after), even if the MSQ really didn't make us care much about him at all.
The lack of content in between patch’s made many players think the post endwalker msq for 6.1 onwards was uninteresting; it didn’t help that it was done on the first day it came out.
The story is great and will be relevant in a future expansion, like what happened with the warriors of darkness in post heavensward. In my opinion some players don’t understand the importance of setting up the foundation for a good story.
The same people who don't understand the new foundation 6.x is setting are the same people who don't understand the foundation ARR set.
they called it bad because Island Sanctuaries ended up being a spread sheet simulator, NO relic grind or Exploration zone (3 additional raids), alliance raids being so easy they make repeat farming boring as hell, and Criterion dungeons not being midcore plus not having decent rewards for the difficulty, and no trial series story. GG hasn't really experienced why people were frustrated with Endwalker.
I enjoyed a lot 6.1 and 6.2, very meaty story patches, 6.3 and 6.4 were hmmm more disappointing (not a lot of importance happens on those two) and then 6.5 managed to catchup again but at that point I really wanted this side story to just end 😅.
I know those storyline will for sure be important eventually, I just think it was maybe too long and as I played FFIV there was just too much I knew it was going to happen, so the sense of surprise was diminished a lot by playing an old FF game.
also because [redacted] was a huge nothingburger for the longest time lmao
@@siyrean Yeah, I don't really recall hearing any of my friends say they hate the patch MSQ. A friend of mine and myself we didn't like experiencing the ending of 6.4 and then having to wait for months until we could do anything about this situation at that point, but that's about it. There was plenty of patch criticism around but it was for most of the other stuff (and lack thereof).
Emet-Selch Bucket List:
Ruins beneath the waters of the Bounty - Check
Treasure islands beyond Blindfrost (North of Othard)
The fabled golden cities of the New World - Dawntrail
Sacred sites in the South Sea isles
Merycidia - Touched upon
The true nature of the twelve - In progress
Civilizations of the reflections - To the Void with us!
Making some good work on this, methinks
Not sure how far your into FF14, but several of those are already checked :P
Cried laughing at the voidsent avatar editor bit. Excellent work Nahuel.
I love pointing out that Y'shtola and WoL entering the restricted section of the library is played out exactly how you enter Gubal Library right down to the music. They made it look like a dungeon intro.
World building is often necessarily mundane, I think. There's also something inherently funny to me about a dragon doing mundane day to day governance. Some people really like the political world building, especially because it often grows into more interesting stories down the road, but the seeds are planted in a way that doesn't seem interesting at the time. You don't get the ARR patch finale without setting up the political tensions in Ul'dah (although some of the crystal brave stuff in ARR could be shorter, I think the 6.1 stuff is over with pretty quick)
To be fair, when it came time for Vrtra to step up, we all cried for Dragon President Vrtra. It only seems fair we actually see our Dragon President working his office duties.
I am in the camp that loved this patch series and glad y'all overall are having a good time.
It is definely an interesting conversation, after endwalker i had such an EXPERIENCE, all the lore, the stakes i was definely ready to just talk about something else, something more chill after 6.0, and that's what i got, i was very content with it.
Of course with FFXIV we always have some slow moment that almost takes you out of it but they deliver at the end of things.
Before playing Endwalker and seeing the DawnTRAILER i was like "Really... Monster hunter island?" after playing it i'm like "YES... NEW ERA, NEW ADVENTURES, NEW CHRACTERS" after such a SAGA it makes perfect sense to me, 6.1 starts to show other facets of the lore, i mean, they reseted even the gods, no more bad ascians (we think), no more Hydaelyn, Zodiark, no more Evil empire Garleans trying to invade lands all the time. I really like post endwalker, if feels POST 10 YEAR SAGA.
As I understand it, a SMN's summons is essentially an aetheric construct based on our experience of primal aether. It's something that we essentially create. A RPR's avatar is an already existing voidsent that we make a pact with and essentially become a portal for it to come through and fight our enemies.
Garre'tola pelvic thrusting an imaginary Atomos was a new mental scar I wasn't expecting, but here we are.
That editor edit was fire. Fantastic gag.
don't they edit them all? lol
@@Disconnected66 I was talking about this gag 42:28, the gag to do with an editor
@@Qemdoulum turns out i was wrong both in reality and in my interpretation because apparently they did actually have an editor for that video (not sure if will be consistent now, but definitely for that one.) so just forget my sass ^_^
As one of the two people that tried to correct you on the pronunciation of Unukalhai I feel seen. Also if you say Unukalhai into speech to text on an Android phone it spells it out because Unukalhai is a thing outside of Final Fantasy. Unukalhai
Youb mean ukulele that guy?
in a sense you are right about the "continuation/conclusion"
imagine a dragon murderer with nothing in his mind besides revenge, paying for a map to help an orphan...
Yshtola still keeps searching for knowledge but she also knows when to take breaks to go on a newfound adventure...
Graha just wanted one more adventure with the WoL, and he gets it...
pd. the music when the Knight in Black appears was a HUGE nod to ff4 fans and when the 4 "elements" walked in ... was a real "OMG they will do it"
At this point in time everyone saw this as a setup for a Meracydia expansion following the events of 5.5. And some of the lore from the beginning of this series really contributed to that speculation
My pet theory is still that we'll begin heading that way during 7.X, somehow. Then again, Tural is huge, maybe not...
Always keep in mind that when the Warriors of Darkness story was coming out a large portion of the community complained that it felt like filler and it wouldn't connect to anything. We can see how that turned out.
I'm just gonna smile here and wait for Thursday. Also, you guys really need to finish playing through RPR job quests. It's very good lore and relevant.
There are two wolves inside of you, Alisaie and red Alisaie
“I would not keep my children in any sort of names order if I had clutches of them”. I want to see that on a T-shirt and I want to see what kind of community art interpretations of that sentence could be made 😂
Froth and foam ❤
The joy in my heart when you guys trumpet that song in the outro will never fade. 😂❤
Excellent thumbnail! Really looking forward to your analysis of all the patch content for Endwalker.
I hope they do enjoy Endwalker patch; there was discourse on why Endwalker patches left FFXIV in a horrible state.
Kyle will be eatin' good during this patch sequence.
It’s just weird to assume it’s filler if you think about the payoff with the warriors of darkness which also was considered filler at the time
Exactly. It’s not filler; it’s table-setting for a feast that’s two or three years away.
Cool theories Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them. (I always love hearing your theory crafting and seeing how these wild swings are both right and wrong.)
42:32 - OMG, such Inscryption vibes. Really had to give Kudos to the insert gag :D
I loved endwalker. My main issue was post X story beats was to similar to previous ones.
I thought 6.0 was the best expansion. And 1-5.5 was medium except for the raids (which were a ton of fun) and 6.2
I can't look at that portal anymore without giggling because of Kyle's thumbnails.
I liked the EW patch story, It serves as a bridge between major arcs and sets up major themes that the devs can pick up for later stories.
With regards to the 6.1 tax story, FFXIV has always been concerned with the aftereffects of war and disasters in a fairly realistic way. It serves to root what we do in a living, continuing world.
In defense of dragon taxes, the whole reason you went to the dungeon was to make some money to aid the orphans.
If they went to the void stuff without resolving that, there would be complaints
What makes the Drowned City of Skalla special to me is the armor sets. There's nothing else quite like them. And apparently they're designed by a fan
I personally love the aesthetic, the music, and the lore behind it. It's one of my favorite dungeons, but my WoL is an Ala Mhigan so that's definitely a huge part of it.
So were the sets in the Swallow's Compass. A content iirc.
FYI: Ivalice Raids need to be considered with the Bozja storyline, and that GREATLY improves their relevance.
Both of your thoughts about the shade were really interesting. At the time I played this patch I didn’t put any effort into trying to connect dots. You guys inspire me to try harder to think things through going forward 😁
Pre-industrial, textile manufacturing took up a LOT of time and effort. AND there is a lot of space in Rads-at-han itself dedicated to textile production, with rooms full of looms, and mulberry leaves for silk production. This is Vtira's treasure hoard, so of course it would contain lovely fabrics.
I love this whole "sidequest". Can't wait to see what you two think after 6.2. It was certainly a divisive arc.
Remember that they regularly do "filler" things like this only to bring it back multiple expansions later, rather than having it tie directly into the next expansion (the next-expansion-setup content is usually in later X.4, X.5, and the like). The Doman refugees were postgame patch filler content in ARR, then Doman liberation was central to Stormblood, two expansions later. Warriors of Darkness were postgame patch filler content in ARR, and ended up being central to Shadowbringers, two expansions later. Stormblood's postgame content with the changes in Garlemald were presumably setting up stuff for a Garlemald expansion, before the team decided to have the big wrap-up expansion be the next one after Shadowbringers. I wouldn't be surprised if the stuff we're seeing set up here becomes central in a later expansion after Dawntrail.
I am so glad you guys take the time and effort to cook; it's genuinely awesome to watch you theorize with the information you have so far
as a person who didn't enjoy EW Patch MSQ, I actually did like 6.1 a lot (and I don't even like Shtola that much), the "problems" appear later for me (but I won't elaborate to avoid any spoilery)
Kyle cooking a whole 5 star meal this episode. We love to see it.
Always remember that the Warriors of Darkness were introduced in a post HW patch then ended up becoming the main part of ShB years later. Also I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say I'm curious when you'll do the "Beyond the Rift" questline!
So Reapers enter a pact with a voidsent that allows them to act as an anchor for the voidsent to exist in our world without the use of a planar fissure or voidgate. Because of said pact the voidsent must do the bidding of its reaper host as the two until ones demise are bound. That also goes to show that this voidsent is now free meaning Zenos is gone for good. The Reaper art was an ancient Garlean art used heavily before the advent of magitek saw their order phased out (among other events which I shan't spoil.)
Whatever peoples views on "filler content" is doesnt really matter. The writers at CBU3 think its important enough to be full-on MSQ, and so whether that pay off is in DT or in 3 expansions (Crystal Tower), it's definitely going to matter.
If theres huge important moments in "side content" like Coils, Eden, or Aglaia, just know CBU3 think that this arc is more critical than those.
I would argue that at this point Final Fantasy Tactics, 12 and Ivalice as a whole overall is one of the most impactful and adapated sets of ideas for 14. They borrowed alot from these games for over all world building.
Engagement? ENGAGEMENT!
(Newfound adventure!)
Can't wait to see you guys keep diving into the 6.X patches and what you think about them.
Kyle's cook at the end is so fucking funny to me. What a path.
As an Endwalker enjoyer my attitude towards everything post-6.0 was that I needed a vacation after saving the world. I wanted to enjoy the world I just saved, and maybe wrap up some loose ends. Casual aloha shirt glam and all.
Speaking of loose ends please don't forget the EW role quests as they tie into the MSQ a bit more than even ShB ones did.
Great video! Looking forward to Thursday
It's always so much fun to watch these 2 dudes cook.
I love Kyle's cooking about Zenos's avatar experiencing Endwalker through Zenos's eyes and now having opinions. Best cooking in a long time.
They didn't trim the fat because they took what is normally a rather short segment of content over three patches and turned it into the core of 5 patches so they needed every scrap they could get.
Edit: I just choked on my coffee when I heard Mr. Plinkett.
The 13th and how they approach it has always given me a sense of trepidation, mostly because the Void Quests are side content that is extremely important to any ongoing plot that involves the 13th. But it's also locked behind doing every Shadowbringers role quest and some extreme HW primals so it can't really be made part of the MSQ in the same way that say Crystal Tower became MSQ content, not without heavy reworking at least. How can FFXIV ever have a full, satisfying storyline that utilizes the 13th without involving Cylva and Unukalhai? Now if any writing team can wrangle something out of this it's XIV's, and personally I really enjoyed the 6.x MSQ. But I can at least explain why I think the FFXIV might be more hesitant to really delve deep into the Void for future content.
But in any case, always enjoy these summary videos. Too many streamers just blow through everything and don't really post their thoughts as standalone content and I love this stuff.
I don't really consider this story arc 'filler', any more than the warriors of darkness in 3.x were 'filler'. it's clearly laying the groundwork for things down the line.
also- on your issues with the 'president dragon' stuff- the fact that the game lets you check back in with the normal people you saved and help them rebuild after the big catastrophes is, straight up, THE biggest reason I prefer this game over WoW. I love getting to hang out in the world I saved, that actually behaves as if the events I played through actually happened.
I agree! I love that after the drama and destruction, we usually get to check in with normal people and help them rebuild. I also loved helping Mayor Chai settle in :)
Absolutely agreed. I'm terrible with names or faces, but when someone shows up and says "you helped me with such and such I immediately remember."
Look, idk which patch unlocked it but there is a lvl90(not 80 with sync) yellow quest in Sharlayan near the docks that is called A Heartless Hypothesis (or similar) that I have just now done and IT BROUGHT MY CLOSER TO TEARS than any yellow quest has the right to (I don't really ever cry when reading/watching, so this is basically tears)...
It's a wrap up that I wanted for a long time and never thought I was going to get and I consider it mandatory.
Hint, you will be walking around with 2 minions from Stormblood.
There's a similar gut punch tie-up in Thavnair for patch content.
From now on, for me ANY sidequest that doesn't have sync but is at max lvl instead looks EXTREMELY SUS.
It's also short and sweet so anyone reading this just go do it. Do it.
It's important to remember that a decent chunk of the hate was because Zepla had a for lack of a better word Meltdown over being unable to beat ToP and ranting about how "Endwalker bad" because of it and then people saw this as an opportunity to dog on FFXIV as a whole because it doesn't fit their particular mold
Is that the chronology of how that happened? Dang, I just remembered a weird influx of "Endwalker bad" content. Didn't know Zepla was a possible main contributor to that.
Yeah, Endwalker has seen plenty of valid criticism but the actual _haters_ have been off their rocker in every aspect. Anyone with half a braincell describes it, _at the worst,_ as just "underwhelming", and even that is more harsh than most I've seen.
I know that in addition to Zepla another UA-camr also described it as the worst thing, beckoned by Zepla’s decrying. That, I think, also set the haters off.
@@msaag5490Yup. Zepla made her video claiming Endwalker was the "Worst Expansion", then some guy who had quit the game years ago and hadn't even played since ShB came in and ranted about how the game wasn't how he like it (citing the people who like the story and RP clubbing as part of the problem) and giving takes even a hard ass like Xeno thought were delusional.
@@Vfanatic1 Oh, I think I've seen bits of this other guy's video. I remember him being mad at people who liked the story, which is probably the most insane take I've heard. I like FF14 because I can recommend it as either a JRPG or an MMO because FF14 can do both very well.
i think the president dragon scene shows how vrtra cares his people and in turn how his people cares for him. addressing how khalzahl is a victim and should not be remember as monster is very sweet imo. with trusts and supports of his people he was able to move forward and try saving his sister.
also kyle’s analysis on the reaper voidsent hands on face thing is very interesting. wonder if it is intentional or kyle is just special
great edits as always.
I am a strong supporter of the 6.1-6.5 story. Some of it is because of my love of FFIV, but much of it is because of some of the characters in the story.
I think one thing people reacted to, perhaps subconsciously, is that Endwalker is when CBU3 went from a three-month patch cycle to a four-month patch cycle. It feels more content-sparse because new content is coming through more slowly. I still don't think that's *bad* because it lets me try other fun things without worrying about shorting my FFXIV experience.
13 resturation plan started in shadow bringer extra role quest
the yoship jumpscare was too funny
That dungeon, Alzadaal Ruins, is a surprising throwback to FFXI. It was a raid series in that game (actually more than one), one of the best forms of midcore content that Square Enix has ever made in its MMOs. XI players saw it and screamed in delight. Even the mobs were straight out of it. The Darbar gear set is also really really nice for dungeon gear!
Beyond the new world there are only 2 major regions we have yet to explore. Mericidia and the western provinces north of doma. This sets a stage to allow you to go elsewhere for new adventures by giving you all the other reflections.
Realistically we've only seen the far north of Ilsabard and Southern points of Othard. We also still haven't seen Hingashi in earnest and there's still a LOT of societal issues there specifically. We have a lot to still see. There's also northern Eorzea.
GG boys cooking these thumbnails with fire
For the record I enjoyed the black rose quest and the inclusion of the whole money element and is calling back on our past experience for an orphanage.
Dude, that Yoshi P hears your double negatives had me rolling. 😂
I love that it's canon that Y'shtola wanted to be a magical girl when she was a kid.
Garret. Without Return to Ivalice, you don't get Bozja. As someone who said they liked Bozja, and someone who already stated they eat a lot of crow about what they say, I demand Eating more Crow.
I feel like 5% of Ivalice ties into Bozja and like 95% is a weird Ramza/Tactics fever dream.
@@Amovetv That's Cap. In Ivalice, of 12 bosses you fight, 11 are Lucavi derived from auracite. The XIIth Famfrit, the Cucthlain boss, the primary means of fusing the Blades of Gunhildr are derived from Auracite. That's All of Bozja. I Couldn't and still Can't say more, until they're caught up.
I liked it. You also have to remember that these were far apart for others. They're fleshing out the world, giving it meat and substance. Mundane problems exist too and I think it's okay if its not ALWAYS walking into the wind-boss-music-final-fight-while-wearing-leather scene after scene. As a returner, this was all happening for me at once, but I'm here for them to do some story telling, even if it feels like an extended edition scene.
I'm happy that you guys are enjoying your vacation alongside Lil JC before the you know, the upcoming vacation expansion.
17:37 It's ironic that both of you forgot the events of 3.1, the patch that introduced us to Krile, considering a few moments ago you guys just mentioned how they sidelining Krile again. Her not being included in the promotional artwork for Endwalker certainly did not help. I'm honestly interested in how big her role will be in Dawntrail.
My "endwalker was meh" was just 6.0. I just finished 6.1 for my standard "catch up before xpac release" and I know it is tied in to a prior FF, which I am a fan of. So it is slightly interesting to me currently.
It's been said countless times but I love watching you guys theorycrafting.
The times when you're dead wrong are funny, sure, but I'm sure I'm not alone in loving the times when you're super right and just don't know it yet. Because in those cases I get to savour the anticipation of your hype when you do find out.
Also, as an aside, watching you guys dissect and reflect on stuff is very satisfying too, because that's not something I imagine most people do when just absorbing the game on their own solo playthroughs. It mirrors the discussions one might have with friends in the days following a patch, and is proof of the evergreen nature of this kind of content, even once you're caught up. If anything, it'll be even better once you DO catch up because then you can dig right into the discussions, live with everyone else.
Kyle: "You can be patriotic while still living in a shitty place"
Garrett: "Thank you for summing up how I feel about living in America"
That Mr. Plinkett refference!!!
The lights look unusually bright, i hope you two weren't too hot! great stuff as always!
So you're sayin' there's a chance. Of continuing the reaper questline on stream.
I kinda feel like 6.x isn't stand alone and is setting up for a future expansion like 8.0 or something.
Kinda like how the Warriors of Darkness in 3.x were setting up for Shadowbringers.
Kyle is so cool.
so, about ivalice not mattering-
Pretty sure the long winded dialogue from the troupe was not that important. Oh wait.
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I love the post game patches in Endwalker the post game patches post Endwalker are like a small scale expansion separate from the main game Endwalker stuff.
So happy to see Estinien embracing his new career as official dragon therapist!
Ivalice never tied into anything.... You do rember Bosja?
6.X stuff honestly feels like some good B plots that have been just around for a while if you look for the crumbs.
But *ruffels hair to stand on end, looking at the camera and waving hands* Allagans... it all goes back to Allagans