Heartening to listen to a discussion about Ukraines place in a post conflict Europe. It will happen and the ground work in the EU as well as Ukraine is urgent for a successful partnership. Writing from a former colony of the British empire, my compatriots are all too aware of the machinations of bigger neighbours and the mentality of superiority they inherit as a byproduct of ignorance of their history of empire. Slava Ukraini. Heroyam slava. 🇺🇦✊🏼🇪🇺
🍁Together we stand. Together we will celebrate the defeat of the Russian empire. 🇨🇦🍁 Спасибі українцям за мужність. 🤟 (Thank you to Ukrainians for their bravery.)
I think it is unlikely that after the war there is a "Ukraine fatigue" in Europe or in Ukraine for two reasons. 1) The political obsticles to refrom in Ukraine have been smashed making change easier and 2) there is alot of money to be made in Ukraien as Ukraine has a great deal of catching up to its EU neighbors. We could easily see a decade of 8% growth in Ukraine.
Over 30 years ago I was aware of Ukraine as a country mostly because of the huge number of Ukranians living near me in Canada. In fact there's a huge egg displayed with the Ukrainian decorations in Alberta, Canada built long ago. The Ukrainian diaspora is probably the largest in Canada. Ukraine has always existed in my understanding. 🇨🇦🇺🇦 Slava Ukraine.
While I found the discussion interesting I couldn't help but notice 2 things. One is at the end of the discussion and he talks about Russia with Ukraine is an Empire and Russia without Ukraine is not. Well as an American I have to say that we are an Empire because while only five of the 14 current U.S. territories are permanently inhabited-American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands-there exists a growing sentiment that most populous of these, Puerto Rico, should be given the option of becoming America's 51st state. Knowing how America views Puerto Rico I know that will never happen. The other bigger elephant in the discussion that they failed to mention was the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. In that memorandum, in which Ukraine agreed to give up its Nuclear Weapons as they had the 3rd largest stockpile of nukes behind the US and Russia from their time in the USSR. Ukraine gave up the nukes to Putin and the US, UK and Russia, under Boris Yeltsin, signed the Budapest Memorandum that promised to maintain the sovereignty of Ukraine's borders. Russia, as we all know, violated that Memorandum when Putin engineered the annexation of Crimea. After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, and the US stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its Budapest Memorandum obligations to Ukraine and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. On 4 March the Russian president Vladimir Putin replied to a question on the violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the current Ukrainian situation as a revolution: "a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents." In the usual Putin fashion that we have come to know and hate he also replied that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan uprising against the government, was a US-instigated coup, rather than protests sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union-Ukraine Association Agreement that had been approved by their parliament. What is truly unfortunate is that the leaders of Ukraine believed that their territorial integrity was protected under the Budapest Memorandum and other documents signed and in 2004 they leased the port of Sevastopol to Russia. Russia brought in many Russian workers and their families to build the port to accommodate it to support Russia's Black Sea fleet and more Russians kept arriving. It is not a coincidence that the flash point for the "revolution" that allowed for the annexation of Crimea was the port of Sevastopol. Russian forces also seized or blockaded various airports and other strategic sites throughout Crimea. The troops were attached to the Russian Black Sea Fleet stationed in Crimea. As to Timothy Garton Ash's fears that Ukraine once victorious might lose momentum toward the goal of being a free and independent democracy I find ludicrous. He really does the Ukrainian people a disservice with this comment. As all of us who have followed this war know the Ukrainian people have endured much but they are also intelligent, have amazingly strong wills, and have one goal that they have kept in sight since 2014 and that is to join the EU and eventually NATO.
We, Ukrainians, have not forgotten the other countries that signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 - the USA and the UK. They provided the most aid to Ukraine in the last 1.5 years, but we do not forget their mistakes: a) this aid is not enough to win on the battlefield, and b) they should have prevented the invasion of 2014 in the first place. In any case, NATO and EU membership or not, Ukraine needs its own nuclear weapons with a button in Kyiv. Everything else is vanity.
Very good macro understanding of Europe. I would only add, the UK exit from the EU, and Germany’s desire to change EU governance, may have been design be a Higher Power to form a really workable United States of Europe. For people realize the United States of America started out as an EU type Confederation. It took several decades to reach the point “forming a more perfect Union” became a common desire by all member States. Having the UK enter back into the EU as governance reform is discussed, will only make for a more democratic and representative EU.
Yeah, I give great chances to especially Poland to set the agenda of the EU, against the wishes of France and Germany! That will be very funny to watch! 🤣😂🤣
Thank you for this interview with Professor Ash! Glory to Ukraine!!!
As for me and my family, we stand with Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
An excellent interview, more of this please
Thanks for the interview, Слава Україні
He was just getting warmed up with so much good info. Why do we only get 10 minutes with him?
Heartening to listen to a discussion about Ukraines place in a post conflict Europe. It will happen and the ground work in the EU as well as Ukraine is urgent for a successful partnership. Writing from a former colony of the British empire, my compatriots are all too aware of the machinations of bigger neighbours and the mentality of superiority they inherit as a byproduct of ignorance of their history of empire. Slava Ukraini. Heroyam slava. 🇺🇦✊🏼🇪🇺
🍁Together we stand. Together we will celebrate the defeat of the Russian empire. 🇨🇦🍁
Спасибі українцям за мужність. 🤟
(Thank you to Ukrainians for their bravery.)
I think it is unlikely that after the war there is a "Ukraine fatigue" in Europe or in Ukraine for two reasons. 1) The political obsticles to refrom in Ukraine have been smashed making change easier and 2) there is alot of money to be made in Ukraien as Ukraine has a great deal of catching up to its EU neighbors. We could easily see a decade of 8% growth in Ukraine.
Over 30 years ago I was aware of Ukraine as a country mostly because of the huge number of Ukranians living near me in Canada.
In fact there's a huge egg displayed with the Ukrainian decorations in Alberta, Canada built long ago.
The Ukrainian diaspora is probably the largest in Canada. Ukraine has always existed in my understanding. 🇨🇦🇺🇦
Slava Ukraine.
Oh, so you've seen pysanka, a 7000 years old cultic egg. Heroyam Slava!
THANK YOU !
While I found the discussion interesting I couldn't help but notice 2 things. One is at the end of the discussion and he talks about Russia with Ukraine is an Empire and Russia without Ukraine is not. Well as an American I have to say that we are an Empire because while only five of the 14 current U.S. territories are permanently inhabited-American Samoa, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands-there exists a growing sentiment that most populous of these, Puerto Rico, should be given the option of becoming America's 51st state. Knowing how America views Puerto Rico I know that will never happen. The other bigger elephant in the discussion that they failed to mention was the Budapest Memorandum of 1994. In that memorandum, in which Ukraine agreed to give up its Nuclear Weapons as they had the 3rd largest stockpile of nukes behind the US and Russia from their time in the USSR. Ukraine gave up the nukes to Putin and the US, UK and Russia, under Boris Yeltsin, signed the Budapest Memorandum that promised to maintain the sovereignty of Ukraine's borders. Russia, as we all know, violated that Memorandum when Putin engineered the annexation of Crimea. After the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the UK, and the US stated that Russian involvement was a breach of its Budapest Memorandum obligations to Ukraine and in violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity.
On 4 March the Russian president Vladimir Putin replied to a question on the violation of the Budapest Memorandum, describing the current Ukrainian situation as a revolution: "a new state arises, but with this state and in respect to this state, we have not signed any obligatory documents." In the usual Putin fashion that we have come to know and hate he also replied that the US was in violation of the Budapest Memorandum and described the Euromaidan uprising against the government, was a US-instigated coup, rather than protests sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union-Ukraine Association Agreement that had been approved by their parliament. What is truly unfortunate is that the leaders of Ukraine believed that their territorial integrity was protected under the Budapest Memorandum and other documents signed and in 2004 they leased the port of Sevastopol to Russia. Russia brought in many Russian workers and their families to build the port to accommodate it to support Russia's Black Sea fleet and more Russians kept arriving. It is not a coincidence that the flash point for the "revolution" that allowed for the annexation of Crimea was the port of Sevastopol. Russian forces also seized or blockaded various airports and other strategic sites throughout Crimea. The troops were attached to the Russian Black Sea Fleet stationed in Crimea.
As to Timothy Garton Ash's fears that Ukraine once victorious might lose momentum toward the goal of being a free and independent democracy I find ludicrous. He really does the Ukrainian people a disservice with this comment. As all of us who have followed this war know the Ukrainian people have endured much but they are also intelligent, have amazingly strong wills, and have one goal that they have kept in sight since 2014 and that is to join the EU and eventually NATO.
We, Ukrainians, have not forgotten the other countries that signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 - the USA and the UK. They provided the most aid to Ukraine in the last 1.5 years, but we do not forget their mistakes: a) this aid is not enough to win on the battlefield, and b) they should have prevented the invasion of 2014 in the first place.
In any case, NATO and EU membership or not, Ukraine needs its own nuclear weapons with a button in Kyiv. Everything else is vanity.
Very good macro understanding of Europe. I would only add, the UK exit from the EU, and Germany’s desire to change EU governance, may have been design be a Higher Power to form a really workable United States of Europe. For people realize the United States of America started out as an EU type Confederation. It took several decades to reach the point “forming a more perfect Union” became a common desire by all member States. Having the UK enter back into the EU as governance reform is discussed, will only make for a more democratic and representative EU.
Yeah, I give great chances to especially Poland to set the agenda of the EU, against the wishes of France and Germany! That will be very funny to watch! 🤣😂🤣
Pissed much?)
@@mishynaofficial No, just laughable explanation! 🤣😂🤣