Timestamps. Thanks for stopping by, and have great weekend. - Sincerely, CL 00:00 - Channe11 Intro 00:14 - Luke, Lando, and Lucas - Diversity Done Right 00:18 - Getting Personal (No Way Around This) 00:59 - Three Reasons Star Wars Arrived UnEffed 01:44 - In a Galaxy Far, Far Away; Vs... 02:21 - Group A Can Identify with Group B, and Vice Versa 02:56 - Back When Diversity Didn't Spike the Football 03:05 - Pandering, Breaking the Fourth Wall, and Effing Things Up 03:32 - SURFACITY: A Word We Need 04:45 - People Insist on Their Assumptions / Can We Listen? 05:37 - Character Over Color (Among Other Things) 06:04 - Having "Soul" Vs Having "A Soul" 06:26 - Giving Us Wedge-eez: Who's to Blame? 07:09 - Cui Bono? 07:41 - What We Value Speaks Volumes 08:08 - Luke Ain't Just for White Guys (Unless You Insist) 08:51 - A Journey that Should Sound Familiar 10:39 - Identifying with Luke (Kids Get It) 11:38 - Not a "Mary Sue", and Yes, It Matters 12:51 - Addition Without Subtraction: Why Lando Works (Well) 14:06 - Avoiding the Pitfalls of Patronizing Pandering. (Thanks, George). 15:09 - Courage Is a "Force" of Its Own 16:07 - Recognizing Surfacity for What It Is, in Real Time 17:05 - If You're Not Embarrassed... 17:19 - A "Black Panther" Story 19:19 - It's Essential to Move Beyond the Past 20:27 - Conceding the Value in Representation (a Bit) 20:55 - Luke and Lando: Beyond Surfacity 22:03 - Identifying with Our Innermost Essence 22:49 - Lando's Test and Luke's Plight 24:48 - Star Wars: If It Wasn't Broken, It Won't Be Fixed 25:11 - Narcissism Has a Lot to Do with This 25:49 - Separating Diversity from Tokenism 28:04 - Friends in Other Neighborhoods: The Psychology of "Allies" 28:56 - "I'm not being represented right now!" ... And? 29:26 - Shoes Before Shine (In Entertainment and Life) 29:39 - Miles's Imagination and Empathy in "Sideways" 30:36 - Narcissists Tell on Themselves 31:25 - Good Stories as a Respite from Self-Centeredness 31:56 - You Determine the Audience You're In 32:29 - Got MLK? / Character Has No Expiration Date. 33:24 - Thanks again!
Amazingly well put together. I'm a child of the late 80's, kid of the 90's, and I have practically the same views. I'm Slavic, and back then our "representation" in movies was always a big bad black leather clad mafia type villain speaking some form of faux Russian. And what did we think of it? We found it funny. Infact we couldn't wait for the villain to open his mouth so we would laugh at the horrible verbalising. At no point did any of us kids consider it intolerant or misrepresented or anything of the sort. We identified with the hero, regardless of their ethnicity, it was irrelevant to us, as it remains to this day.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, and for sharing your story. That's some interesting insight. For a long time, the media enjoyed unrivaled influence in presenting its preferred responses to entertainment and social/political issues. Anyone with an opinion platform, has this right. But if we manage to consider news or stories without regard to an approved way of thinking about it, we're more likely to come to our own, unique conclusions. While there's no way to consume information without personal bias, we should always consider if the things we are being told are "good", are in fact, good - and if the things deemed "bad" are really bad. Owning our opinions requires asking "Is this how I really feel - or is this how I was told to feel?" Like most things: sometimes the consensus is right, and sometimes it's wrong. It's up to us to think about it for ourselves, and it looks like that's your approach too.
I live in New Zealand. I'm sure we had a mix of Caucasian, Maori, and Pacific Islanders, on our screens. To me Lando was not a novelty, he was normality... I'd have to ask my mates if they saw him different. I'm white, maybe it was important to them. But we didn't use stereotypes in our shows, unless for comedic effect. Check out Billy T James for an absolute legend of a comedian.
That's a helpful comment. Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently precise in the usage of "novelty" that I think you're referring to. I try to be careful with my choice of words, but this might have been a bit sloppy on my part. I meant to express how Lando's racial identity, to me, was a novelty relative to his character, and the overall story. But supporting characters are important, and Lando's casting was solid. Billy Dee Williams, along with George Lucas (and/or the casting agent), deserves credit for that. In the States, at the time of the Star Wars films, black/brown faces were getting increased visibility on TV and film, but were less common than they are today. While I recognized Lando's casting as somewhat progressive, it wasn't the most important thing in the world to me, and I was fine with that. I hope I've cleared it up. Thanks for sharing your perspective. P.S. I'll check out Billy T, too.
@channe11-manager I do think I understood what you meant. That Lando's character was not a caricature, or racial stereotype, while he was also a great persona in the movies. Not pigeonholed by his race. I meant by being from New Zealand, that in our normal programs like soaps etc, race differences or stereotypes weren't like they were in the US. Billy T is a great exception, as he was a legendary comedian and really played up those stereotypes. I wasn't old enough to relate to Luke... I just related to the Ewoks.
Timestamps. Thanks for stopping by, and have great weekend.
- Sincerely, CL
00:00 - Channe11 Intro
00:14 - Luke, Lando, and Lucas - Diversity Done Right
00:18 - Getting Personal (No Way Around This)
00:59 - Three Reasons Star Wars Arrived UnEffed
01:44 - In a Galaxy Far, Far Away; Vs...
02:21 - Group A Can Identify with Group B, and Vice Versa
02:56 - Back When Diversity Didn't Spike the Football
03:05 - Pandering, Breaking the Fourth Wall, and Effing Things Up
03:32 - SURFACITY: A Word We Need
04:45 - People Insist on Their Assumptions / Can We Listen?
05:37 - Character Over Color (Among Other Things)
06:04 - Having "Soul" Vs Having "A Soul"
06:26 - Giving Us Wedge-eez: Who's to Blame?
07:09 - Cui Bono?
07:41 - What We Value Speaks Volumes
08:08 - Luke Ain't Just for White Guys (Unless You Insist)
08:51 - A Journey that Should Sound Familiar
10:39 - Identifying with Luke (Kids Get It)
11:38 - Not a "Mary Sue", and Yes, It Matters
12:51 - Addition Without Subtraction: Why Lando Works (Well)
14:06 - Avoiding the Pitfalls of Patronizing Pandering. (Thanks, George).
15:09 - Courage Is a "Force" of Its Own
16:07 - Recognizing Surfacity for What It Is, in Real Time
17:05 - If You're Not Embarrassed...
17:19 - A "Black Panther" Story
19:19 - It's Essential to Move Beyond the Past
20:27 - Conceding the Value in Representation (a Bit)
20:55 - Luke and Lando: Beyond Surfacity
22:03 - Identifying with Our Innermost Essence
22:49 - Lando's Test and Luke's Plight
24:48 - Star Wars: If It Wasn't Broken, It Won't Be Fixed
25:11 - Narcissism Has a Lot to Do with This
25:49 - Separating Diversity from Tokenism
28:04 - Friends in Other Neighborhoods: The Psychology of "Allies"
28:56 - "I'm not being represented right now!" ... And?
29:26 - Shoes Before Shine (In Entertainment and Life)
29:39 - Miles's Imagination and Empathy in "Sideways"
30:36 - Narcissists Tell on Themselves
31:25 - Good Stories as a Respite from Self-Centeredness
31:56 - You Determine the Audience You're In
32:29 - Got MLK? / Character Has No Expiration Date.
33:24 - Thanks again!
Brilliant. Well done!
Amazingly well put together. I'm a child of the late 80's, kid of the 90's, and I have practically the same views.
I'm Slavic, and back then our "representation" in movies was always a big bad black leather clad mafia type villain speaking some form of faux Russian. And what did we think of it? We found it funny. Infact we couldn't wait for the villain to open his mouth so we would laugh at the horrible verbalising.
At no point did any of us kids consider it intolerant or misrepresented or anything of the sort. We identified with the hero, regardless of their ethnicity, it was irrelevant to us, as it remains to this day.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply, and for sharing your story. That's some interesting insight. For a long time, the media enjoyed unrivaled influence in presenting its preferred responses to entertainment and social/political issues. Anyone with an opinion platform, has this right. But if we manage to consider news or stories without regard to an approved way of thinking about it, we're more likely to come to our own, unique conclusions. While there's no way to consume information without personal bias, we should always consider if the things we are being told are "good", are in fact, good - and if the things deemed "bad" are really bad. Owning our opinions requires asking "Is this how I really feel - or is this how I was told to feel?" Like most things: sometimes the consensus is right, and sometimes it's wrong. It's up to us to think about it for ourselves, and it looks like that's your approach too.
I live in New Zealand. I'm sure we had a mix of Caucasian, Maori, and Pacific Islanders, on our screens. To me Lando was not a novelty, he was normality... I'd have to ask my mates if they saw him different. I'm white, maybe it was important to them. But we didn't use stereotypes in our shows, unless for comedic effect. Check out Billy T James for an absolute legend of a comedian.
That's a helpful comment. Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently precise in the usage of "novelty" that I think you're referring to. I try to be careful with my choice of words, but this might have been a bit sloppy on my part.
I meant to express how Lando's racial identity, to me, was a novelty relative to his character, and the overall story. But supporting characters are important, and Lando's casting was solid. Billy Dee Williams, along with George Lucas (and/or the casting agent), deserves credit for that.
In the States, at the time of the Star Wars films, black/brown faces were getting increased visibility on TV and film, but were less common than they are today. While I recognized Lando's casting as somewhat progressive, it wasn't the most important thing in the world to me, and I was fine with that. I hope I've cleared it up.
Thanks for sharing your perspective.
P.S. I'll check out Billy T, too.
@channe11-manager I do think I understood what you meant. That Lando's character was not a caricature, or racial stereotype, while he was also a great persona in the movies. Not pigeonholed by his race. I meant by being from New Zealand, that in our normal programs like soaps etc, race differences or stereotypes weren't like they were in the US. Billy T is a great exception, as he was a legendary comedian and really played up those stereotypes. I wasn't old enough to relate to Luke... I just related to the Ewoks.
@@all3ykat79 Got it. Very good. Thanks again.
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@@humanbyebracket Thanks for checking it out.