How much muzzle brake?
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Spot in logic as always. Ive seen lots of videos on this topic and everyone only tests one specific round and most come to different conclusions for each, as expected. Ive always thought what you said. Thanks, cheers!
Cheers Mike, thanks
Excellent analogy to the ICE complexity to a rifle combustion system. Makes sense!
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I'm a car but I love turbo LS motors and you talking in the first 6 minutes about cars made my weekend already
Thanks Allen, glad you liked, Cheers
I made a very simple 2 port for my 20" 308 and it completely transformed that rifle. I angled the ports back at an angle by side plunging a key seat cutter into my turned/baffled cylinder. Does throw a little grass and dirt on people next to me! Thanks for the video.
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Thanks, Mark for all of your muzzle brake showcase and support videos. I have done my research with builds comparable to my 28 Nosler and your 4-port brake appears to fit our needs well. Given that this gun has more recoil than what I am used to and my dusty surroundings, your 4 port muzzle brake seems a good fit and makes a lot of sense to me.
I look forward to getting one this week from the 4AW store and continuing this project. Again, thanks for your support content!
Thanks Jeff and yes we use one on ours too, cheers
Mark I love how simple that you can explain something that can be complicated
Thanks Sterling, Cheers
Informative and interesting as always. The duder who makes the Terminator brakes has a lot of practical test videos that really strongly demonstrate how rapidly the returns diminish with a greater number of ports on a brake. With most cartridges that aren't giant magnums, there is virtually zero difference between a 3 and a 5 port brake. Thanks again for the great content and I hope to put the brake I bought from you guys on my rifle here in the next few days.
Awesome, thanks man, Cheers
Hi Mark, love the logic... spoken like a true engineer!! long time ago ,while building a race bike, my wife asked the mechanic how much is this going to cost?? his answer" how long is a piece of string??" on a side note , did you ever run into a guy by the name of John Bennet, during those racing times?? Very smart man, bit eccentric... cheers
Heard the name, but no, Cheers
The best video I've ever seen on muzzle brakes. I'm going to have to watch your others as well. Thanks.
Cheers Josh, thanks
Spot on as always, less is more and enough is enough, balance is what's required, too much or too little will both be detrimental.
Thanks again guys.
Cheers Dave
Thanks to you I've a much better understanding of the muzzle brake.
U.S.A. Mark 😎🇺🇸
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Well put Mark. I believe I know of the recent manufacturer test you are talking of. My first thought when watching it was they're aren't accounting for different volumes in gas for different cartridges. Another flaw in that test was their test rig was swinging so the effects of gravity weren't accounted for. Keep up the good work trying to broadcast more relevant information on the sport/hobby we love that is very much misunderstood.
Thanks Joel, glad you liked, Cheers
Thanks again Mark. I always appreciate your wisdom and explanation. Blessings from Central West NSW.
Cheers David, all the best.
I feel blessed. My lithgow .223 doesn't produce enough force to worry me and my .308 lithgow 105 Woomera came with it's own Lithgow matched brake. To me the problem is finding 'invisible ceracote' so I can use the 105 brake at the range.
Lol, Cheers
"The more powder you've got, the more muzzle break you can use." This is absolutely right, and I can prove it. Newton's second law: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. When you touch off a round, let's say you've got 72 grains of powder behind the bullet. That powder is going to convert (neglecting heat loss) exactly 72 grains of HOT GAS that wants to rush out the front. So more powder means more mass going out the front. This is also the reason why you can't ever have absolutely 0 recoil (despite what the braggarts like to say). You're pushing a 200 grain bullet out the front on top of that 72 grains of powder? Even if your muzzle break was 100% efficient (meaning you were able to turn all of that force around 180 degrees, which would also blast the shooter in the face) you would have 72 grains pushing the rifle FORWARD (because you reversed the gas) but you've still got 200 grains going forward, so you've still got a net 128 grains moving forward, and that's 128 grains of recoil coming back at you. The beauty of all this is that energy isn't what we care about so much as it is TIME (speed is distance X time). If you can slow down the escape of the gas, you get less recoil, regardless of which direction it goes. This is why suppressors create a braking effect too. More mass on the rifle also tends to slow things down (in terms of feet per second) which is really what makes "felt recoil" felt. A while back I had to do post a comment to that fact on MDT's test of their muzzle brakes because they were using a rotating (swinging) rig to try to show reduced recoil, which makes the results non-linear and difficult for people to understand. I saw a few weeks ago they released another video with the same rig and the same wrong conclusions. Oh well. Thanks Mark!
Thanks Jason, glad you liked man, Cheers and all the best.
I was into cars before I really got into shooting sports too. Cheers
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Great info. 3 port works great on 6.5 prc 4 on 300prc but 300 has a lot of blow back. Cheers
Some muzzle brake designs do that, all explained in other video, Cheers
Marketing hype, simplistic tests and logic are rarely compatible as illustrated by another one of your excellent information videos.
Thanks Colin, glad you liked, Cheers
Good explanation Mark 👍
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Great Info Sir. Thank You.
Cheers Man, thanks
As always, very educational. Thank you. I am debating ELR calibers, trying to decide between 338 Lapua, 408 Cheytac, and 416 Barrett. Your knowledge of these rounds, availability, usability, and cost comparisons would be very valuable and much appreciated. Thank you.👍😁
We have many videos helping make sense of that sort of thing, beyond them, sorry John, not something I offer advice on, Cheers
338 Lapua is not that expensive to shoot, there is good factory loads, easier to resell, the recoil is not bad and is capable to very long ranges ( But I live only a couple of miles from the Lapua factory so don't listen to me 😅).
So, if I tell you the length of my string, can I get the best muzzle brake for that application? 😆😆
Great video, very well put.
If you can tell me that answer, maybe the lotto numbers too?, lol, Cheers
Great content thanks for sharing
Thanks John, Cheers
It makes sense that the effectiveness of any brake design will fundamentally be directly related to the velocity and the total volume of gas exiting the muzzle, and based on the race car exhaust analogy, testing is the only way to actually establish the true effectiveness of a brake design. However, as in all endeavors, perfection vs investment will always be competing factors. In other words, in a real world scenario, it is highly optimistic to hope to find the perfect brake for any gun/load combination. And that should not be the goal. Rather it should be finding a brake that reasonably helps retard movement of the gun without adversely affecting accuracy.
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I prefer the longer slower push of a suppressor as well as no percussion from a brake. Think I've had too many concussions and shooting competitively quickly induces brain fog when using a brake.
Our muzzle brakes don't have that issue, but each to their own, Cheers
Very informative video. Do you have a basic chart, from all your research, that shows which of your muzzle brakes are optimum for each caliber/cartridge available ?
The store lists suggestions on the brakes, but all made pretty clear in the video, Cheers
To add to my first comment, I'd say that muzzle brakes in general become more influential in reducing recoil as the ratio of weight of propellant rises in comparison to the projectile weight. So a muzzle brake on a .45 ACP won't be as much benefit as one on a .460 Weatherby (that pistol was a bad idea anyway!).
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The thing I've found about breaks like yours is simple is better a plane multi port break is usually going to be best rout
Thanks again Allen, Cheers
3 Chamber Brake Works Great on my AR-50
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I watched a video today testing various muzzle brakes using the same load. It seemed obvious to me that the best brake for, say, a.308 produces a lot less gas than, say, a .300 RUM, and the best brake for one may well not be the best for the other. And that's not taking into account all the other factors that you mention.
Yep, thanks Geoff, Cheers
@@markandsamafterwork I'd just like to apologise for 'jumping the gun' with my comments, because the points I made whilst pausing the video were perfectly adequately covered by you later on. As I should have expected. I need to control my excitement better, It can't be good for a 73 year old!
Lol, Cheers Geoff, thanks
MarkandSam AfterWork: How much muzzle brake?
Me: Yes.
Lol, Cheers
Hi, how do I know if I need the 5/8x24 4 port or the 5/8x24 TPI 4 port muzzle brake, I need one for my Ruger American hunter talo 16” 308, I m wanting to buy the 4 port, but wasn’t sure if I need the TPI or regular? Thanks!
TPI means threads per inch, so no difference between the 2, although 4 port for 308? 3 port is all I would recommend, Cheers
Darn - think this was just a 2 or 3 steps away over my top - lol - but great info as always, I just have a 30 years+ old, 24" 1:12 twist old 308 rifle I am trying to work with and with a compressor - please tell me where to go - would love the opportunity to try of of your designs :)
Like the video says, we use and suggest our 3 port brakes on 308, (link to 4AW web store below the video) but if you are talking about a suppressor, sorry not something we do, Cheers
Mark, Sam: How do you ensure the muzzle brake is true? e.g. the ports are directing the blast horizontally to the right and left (3 o'clock and 9 o'clock) Do you need to use shims?
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The length of a piece of string is precisely twice the half length 😂
Yep, lol, Cheers
Given that muzzle brakes can overpower regular hearing protection if a fellow shooter/spotter/bystander happens to be positioned wrong, is there anything to be said on this subject in a video?
Really for a shooting indoors or covered range issue, but for outside our design is good for spotter and shooter, Cheers
Mark, what about brake bore diameter? Any positive/negative effect with. 30 caliber brake on a 6.5 caliber rifle?
No difference in performance
Hello sir I am from India
Which one on the muzzle brake would be a good one for the 3006?
3 port
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gospel brother! say hi to Sam please
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I can’t find your 2 port brake in the store? Out of stock I assume
We don't sell them any more, 3 port does all the small cal's fine, Cheers
@@markandsamafterwork sweet it’s for a .223
Wait. So putting the brake off an M107 on my 22 wasn't a good idea?
Lol, Cheers
Can you still lift the 22? I thought it might be a tad muzzle heavy. It would be good for weight training though!.
@@davidhandyman7571 lol. But with the abominations you see on the range and for sale on gun broker I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried it.
Are you guys not allowed to have suppressors over there? Do you have a video talking about your gun laws?
No, and no we don't do legal or political on the channel, Cheers