I've been trying to understand this for about forty effing years. NO ONE ever rationalized it out enough for me to understand it...until now. (I'm convinced its because no one knew how). I still am not there, but this is _unquestionably_ the best vid I've come across over many years. I'm going to watch it several times...I think I may *finally* be able to get it.
Whose Money music is math that you can hear. if you can't do the math you have to have the feel of it. with that said you're on the losing end of it if you can't hear the piece before you play it. don't let it get you down. just try harder
chuck thomas: Music is music; it is not math that you can hear. That is a nice-sounding phrase but it isn't true. There are mathematical relationships in music that really matter, and rhythm is the most obvious expression of that. Intervals and the relationship between them is another. Composing music like Bach (best example) entails lots of mathematical reasoning. But performing music and appreciating music is absolutely not like solving equations or even thinking analytically. Reading music and counting lines and spaces or transposing pieces to other keys requires mathematical thinking but it is not doing music. It is more aesthetic or as I've heard it said, artsy-fartsy, than all of that. When you play or listen you feel rather than reason, and after lots of practice you don't come to the correct answer; you just do the music.
aa bb spliting hairs. Music is music, music is math that you can hear. The length of words used to say one of these statements is more true is a waste of effort. Arguably, music is physics you can hear. Music is air you can hear. The list goes on
Noah and Chuck: Alright, sure enough. I agree with you and really how could one not. The definitions of music go from physics to poetry and everything in between, and I think we're on the same page when we say that they're not mutually exclusive. Maybe the constants are performance and enjoyment. I have observed people who do music, and enjoy music, and I have envied people who do it and enjoy it more or better than I do. And I do believe that what's called "feeling" might be a matter of physics, but it can't be expressed in terms of physics. I don't mean it's magic. I mean that everyone who really wants to care about music and invests the time in it, will get their own little piece of magic. Some people will get more--listen to Joey Alexander--but for we mere mortals, treating music as math, on one hand, or magic, on the other, doesn't really help us understand or do. Instead, we should treat music as music, and recognize it as distinct and not completely reducible.
THis is truly brilliant. I've searched all over the web as finally learn to read music and here is the first really clear expalnation of 6/8 time! The penny has dropped. You are a brilliant teacher!
Man you can teach!!! I thought the beginning of the video was unnesssary at first, but you laid a great foundation. Then you hit it out of the park by adding more than was asked for. May God Bless You.
I can't tell you how much your video series has changed my understanding of music. You have demystified music theory and have taken something I always assumed took years of study to understand and have done so in the time span of your short and informative videos. I'm 42, have been a professional musician as a metal singer, modern rock solo artist, and now that I'm getting into scoring video games, orchestral music. My writing before was always labored and unfinished simply because I did't understand the rules. My very first composition since watching your series is literally like night and day. I'm writing with purpose and understanding now and it sounds as if I've taken years of classical training. You're awesome, man. Thank you.
+Bryan Westbrook Hey that is awesome. Nothing like seeing a real difference when you're writing actual music. Feel free to share something you're working on at some point. And good luck!
I'll be happy to. As Murphy's Law would have it, just as I was working on that first piece, my hard drive fried. Lol. The PC board is toast. It's in the shop, fingers crossed they can fix it, and then I'm back in action. I've also been sharing your channel with all my old band mates and musician friends, just about all of whom view music theory as some Holy Grail...there but always out of reach. For someone like me, someone who has been making music (like an illiterate person writes a novel but you can get away with that in metal..sort of) it was like lifting me out of the fog. Something I was very familiar with came into complete focus. What a great feeling! Thanks again!
Thank you Michael. I have played music publicly since 1994, i never had the patience to learn it by the book and in just 20 minutes you taught me more than my last 2 music instructors. Cheers to you my friend.
Mary Jane Tait Yep, that's exactly right. Unless the music specifically tells you to slow down or speed up, you'd play the 9/8 bar just like you'd play the 6/8 bar. It's basically just a bar with three beats rather than two.
In a strict way they aren't the same, but both got six 8th notes per bar, the only thing that changes is the beat and how u write it in the score. they are not the same, but they are so close to each other, in south america, there are some rythms that mix both beats at the same time, creating some very interesting grooves. Greetings from Chile! Nice video.
Aayush Gupta I know this is old, but I think this would be valuable to future readers. The different time signatures, though they may look equivalent, are used to signify a different musical feel. A 3/4 measure written with 16th notes would sound roughly like this: BUM ba bum ba bum ba With quarter notes, it is the traditional waltz feel of DUM da da However, 6/8 is used to signify a measure with 2 of these emphatic pulses per measure. It sounds almost like music composed in 2/4 but with triplet subdivisions or DUM da da DOOM da da While it is difficult to explain in words, music composed in 3/4 and 6/8 actually feel very different. Try listening to a traditional rendition of “Amazing Grace”, a piece composed in 3/4 time, and compare that with “How He Loves Us” by Jesus Culture, a song composed in 6/8 time. Two “mathematically equivalent” time signatures with two different musical feelings.
Great explanation of how to count these time signatures. I learned to play by ear and 6/8 tunes were the first tunes I learned to play - and the shorthand way I thought of it in terms of rhythm was that 6/8 was a fast version of 3/4 which is very familiar waltz time. It's a foot tapping approach to find the beat.
I love writing in 7/8 and 7/4 personally. 5/4 is also really fun. Arpeggios in 7/8 are also so fun, that one missing 8th note allows for a lot of tension between bars as your ear really craves to hear that last 8th but wont
Perfect explanation! I was watching vids to see how many peeps explain 6/8 as having 6 beats. It's such a common mistake, I'm really glad to see awesome peeps like you understand and explain that there are 2 beats in 6/8. Great vid!
The reason has to do with how the two time signatures feel. In 6/8, you frequently feel 2 sets of three like he explains in the video. In 3/4, however, you tend to feel all three beats. There is plenty of music that feel 3 beats as one--namely waltzes--which is basically the same as the 6/8 feel. In short: 3/4= ONE TWO THREE ---or-- ONE two three 6/8= ONE two three FOUR five six
Riley Kazukiewicz that accenting makes sense, but what always confuses me is, if you were to have two 3/4 bars back to back, wouldn't the resultant "ONE two three ONE two three" be the same as "ONE two three TWO two three".. Of course I'm sure that's wrong, but I struggle to see how. Is it to do with melodic phrases being double the length?
This is so well explained. I've heard and read differences between simple time and compound time dozen of time but this one is from far the easiest to understand !
I watched several videos on this topic in order to explain it to my six-year-old who is learning the piano. This is definitely the most helpful one simply because I totally understand what he is talking about, not mentioning that I’m not musical at all.👍🏻😂
Thank you very much. If you want to see a lot of 6/8 and 3/8 in practice I suggest some Iranian(Persian) music. We have myriads of 6/8s in our glossary. 6/8 is almost the most popular time in persian music.
That's a great way you're explaining this. Although, when there is any note with a dot, to play it broken up into 8s or 16s etc will create an entirely different thing. The dote with a note, eg a 4 is silent, meaning it carries on the same note for another 1/2 (like you said) value, it's not a pause but it continues the same note until the end of the dot (the 1/2 value). So you can't play 8s instead of 4s with a dot (or without) because it makes it into a different sound melody..unless of course that's what's wanted.. But you explained the equivilant values brilliantly. Thank you
You can think of them that way, but keep in mind that a triplet is something that happens in simple time. A triplet essentially means "cram 3 notes into the space of 2". When you're in compound time every beat is broken into three parts by default, so you're technically not going to call it a triplet. -Teacher
I have been playing music for about 9 years. But I took a year break over the last year, and wow, legit forgot all my theory. Finding your videos a god send in remembering the basics.
Think you do an excellent, laid back, and unpretentious way of explaining simple and complex time. I listened to three other videos and yours was by far the best. Thank you.
You can think of them that way, but keep in mind that a triplet is something that happens in simple time. A triplet essentially means "cram 3 notes into the space of 2". When you're in compound time every beat is broken into three parts by default, so you're technically not going to call it a triplet.
How is 6/8 different to 3/4, because they technically have the same amount of beats in a measure, right? Is it because of how it is counted and where the accent is?
Wait ok this kinda blew my mind; I've been in choir for a year and a half now at my school but this was the clearest way I've ever heard 6/8 and compound time explained lolll -- thank you!!
You know count of 4 right? Now can you further divide this count of 4 as double beats within same time frame of the count? {Yes, the result is 8 beats (notes) in 4 counts}. Those are the 8 notes.
Wow! You made this so much easier to understand. I have had these dang compound time signatures explained to me on countless occasions by many different people who are professional musicians various levels and NO ONE was able to make it understandable. Thank you so much. I struggled with this for so long (dumb I know) but now I'm good.
+Aaron Watkins Remember that time signatures are not meant to be fractions. Even though 3 quarter notes *is* equivalent to 6 eighth notes, the way you accent those notes is completely different.
So there are six notes and eight beats for every measure. How can you divide eight notes by six and still maintain whole numbers. I'm dreadfully confused.
+Michael New How would the accents change if I substituted a bar (in 6/8), "ONE-two-three-FOUR-five-six", with two bars (in 3/4), "ONE-two-three(-)ONE-two-three"? It seems like two different ways to express the same thing.
Excellent job. I am a drummer and drumming instructor. 6/8 songs are Tarantellas, Mexican Hat Dance, For He's a Jolly Good Fellow, Irish Jigs. Also-- some Marches, and some Blues and Rock tunes. Anyway, Great job here breaking it down in a clear, intelligent way.
Interesting. I talk about this as binary pulse in a lesson for guitar players as how we maintain the engine of the strum. I’ve surmised over the years that all rhythms break down into groups of 2 and 3.
Love 7/4. Rock Operas, Solsbury Hill, Theme to Mission Impossible. These lessons are a wonderful refresher, and awesome as an intro to music theory and practice. I've been sending friends here, who recently wanted to learn about music in a more substantive way, not merely tickle the ivories.
No worries. I actually go over 9/8 and 12/8 in this video, and I'm planning on doing one more video to cover 7/8, 15/16, and other weird ones along those lines.
+RottingintheMidwest Anything in particular you found confusing? Remember this video has 2 or 3 videos leading up to it, so if you jump in right here it can be tough.
Thank you so much for the video. It is greatly appreciated. I am currently studying 6/8 time in my private lessons. Your video gave me an additional layer of understanding.
What is the name of the piano piece you are using around 6:15 that I hear in your other videos also? Also, I am a touring pro bass player, and you just taught me all I ever needed to know about time signatures. THANK YOU.
Great break down of everything. how it works and why, where it doesn't wor k and why it doesn't work but most importantly how to kake that work after all. My question is why you can't use the non dyadic time signature of 2/3 woth two dotted quater notes or 4 dotted eoght notes, 8 dotted 16th notes, 16 dotted 32nd notes, 32 dotted 64th notes? Maybe even one dotted half note?
This was so helpful! I had an assignment for my band class that was personalized per each instrument and mine had 6/8 time and I didn't know what it was. I asked all my friends and my teacher and they all said "It's just 3/4 time, x2" but that's not what it looked like on the sheet music. So I came here and I understand it know! Thanks!
+MakeshiftPicture Hey, glad I could help! And if you can, you should let your friends and teacher know that 6/8 is definitely not the same as "3/4 x2". I mean, politely, if you can :)
I m having a music final tomorrow any you saved meeee!!!! Thank you for making this simple and being easy to find, most lesson searches are impossible for me to find what I need but I guess I got lucky today.
Thank you for teaching me this! I have always been struck down in my attempts to learn better technique because of my lack of knowledge in reading 6/8 timing and pointing out the different notes being able to read is a tremendous help! You rock man
Thank you so much for this man! I come across this tempo a lot as a metal drummer, I've always known how to play it but I could never explain it to someone else. I have learned so much from one video and your explanations were fantastic! Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
Watch more youtube music theory clips. @12Tone building blocks has some stuff you may enjoy if this is the most informative you have seen so far. There are handy tips in this clip. The library of knowledge on youtube can be incredible if you start refining your choices.
So, I would agree with this generally as it is "standard music theory" and most modern music follows this rule However, mathematically speaking and assuming the exact same true tempo, couldn't you very easily write the dotted quarter signature as 2/3? You get into all sorts of shenanigans if you have people trying to group notes in compound time signatures as if they were simple time signatures otherwise. I just say this because some internet clown decided to write out music outlaid differently than compound vs. simple theory suggests: they wrote it out as tripled eighth notes in 3/4 time and doubled eighth notes in 6/8! Which, if the simplest form of the rules of time signatures is true, IS ALSO mathematically correct - even if it doesn't accomplish the "normal goals" of 6/8 time.
Great lesson! Thank you got it! I was looking to understand 6/8 time signature I found this song is a folk song from Chile is call Charagua and is written in 6/8 time signature now I get it thanks! Again the name of the song is Charagua By Victor Jara , for those who will like to listen to it, its a very simple melody and instrumentation and I think will be a good example to illustrate your lesson. Thanks again!
Could you do a tutoriallike this demonstrating using a metronome or foot tap? I'm not sure were the notes fall in relation to the metronome sweep or the rise and fall of a foot. Say in playing a 6/8 jig or when a 4/4 has measures with dots or cuts. Thanks!
Wow! Your explanations really make me wanna learn music theory and that’s a big deal because I’ve never liked it since it seemed complicated. Thank you so much. God bless you!
I'm a bit confused as to when I use my rythem unit on my keyboard. When I chose a 6/8 time and play I'm not sure how to count as the rythem unit displays the recurring number 1 2 3 4 1234 1234 in 6/12 and not 123456 this is confusing for me as there are, or I think six beats in 6/8 time and metrone displays 1234. Hope I have not confused my question and hope you could explain in a way I could understand my confusion. Kind Regards Ian.
Oh cool, where are you from? And is there any particular song you can link me to? I'm kind of curious, and I really haven't listened to much in 7/8 outside of progressive rock.
Mom: You need to stop skipping Math class!!
Teenage Me: Screw that mom! i'm gonna be a musician!
Adult homeless me: goddammit!
This comment should be the basis for a reality show.
Adult you: Fuck I learned maths by learning music theory.
Really wished I had learned math!
This is what I fear because I'm personally horrible at math.
like knowing math gonna make you succesful in life
I've been trying to understand this for about forty effing years. NO ONE ever rationalized it out enough for me to understand it...until now. (I'm convinced its because no one knew how). I still am not there, but this is _unquestionably_ the best vid I've come across over many years. I'm going to watch it several times...I think I may *finally* be able to get it.
Would it be easier to count the eighth notes as...
For 6/8: 123 - 223
For 9/8: 123 - 223 - 323
For 12/8: 123 - 223 - 323 - 423
or 123-123 for a 6/8, at least for me
Ok
If you play dream theater there´s a lot of 6/8 count as: 123412 - 121234
any updates on MJ?
Wow
123 223
Awesome
You have a very clear way of expressing yourself. Nice and relaxed too.
So true
I agree. Wow i typed the same thing.
Its just a shame that what you are expressing is unfathomable.
i wish i knew what he was talking about
Whose Money music is math that you can hear. if you can't do the math you have to have the feel of it. with that said you're on the losing end of it if you can't hear the piece before you play it. don't let it get you down. just try harder
chuck thomas: Music is music; it is not math that you can hear. That is a nice-sounding phrase but it isn't true. There are mathematical relationships in music that really matter, and rhythm is the most obvious expression of that. Intervals and the relationship between them is another. Composing music like Bach (best example) entails lots of mathematical reasoning. But performing music and appreciating music is absolutely not like solving equations or even thinking analytically. Reading music and counting lines and spaces or transposing pieces to other keys requires mathematical thinking but it is not doing music. It is more aesthetic or as I've heard it said, artsy-fartsy, than all of that. When you play or listen you feel rather than reason, and after lots of practice you don't come to the correct answer; you just do the music.
aa bb spliting hairs. Music is music, music is math that you can hear. The length of words used to say one of these statements is more true is a waste of effort. Arguably, music is physics you can hear. Music is air you can hear. The list goes on
Noah and Chuck: Alright, sure enough. I agree with you and really how could one not. The definitions of music go from physics to poetry and everything in between, and I think we're on the same page when we say that they're not mutually exclusive. Maybe the constants are performance and enjoyment. I have observed people who do music, and enjoy music, and I have envied people who do it and enjoy it more or better than I do.
And I do believe that what's called "feeling" might be a matter of physics, but it can't be expressed in terms of physics. I don't mean it's magic. I mean that everyone who really wants to care about music and invests the time in it, will get their own little piece of magic. Some people will get more--listen to Joey Alexander--but for we mere mortals, treating music as math, on one hand, or magic, on the other, doesn't really help us understand or do. Instead, we should treat music as music, and recognize it as distinct and not completely reducible.
When you catch a ball you are "doing" a lot of rather complex Newtonian physics without actually understanding any of it. I think you are quite right.
THis is truly brilliant. I've searched all over the web as finally learn to read music and here is the first really clear expalnation of 6/8 time! The penny has dropped. You are a brilliant teacher!
Just don't kill me with a light saber when I'm old.
You know, this really help me with my music homework, so yeah. Thank you😂😂😂
Michael New, Has anyone told you your a dead ringer for a young John Barrowman? It could just be me.
Man you can teach!!! I thought the beginning of the video was unnesssary at first, but you laid a great foundation. Then you hit it out of the park by adding more than was asked for. May God Bless You.
10:32
Michael: It's very hard to talk and write.
Me: Can you sing while playing the piano?
Lol. Same concept as singing and playing drums, it's pretty hard.
and singing while playing violin....
I've been playing piano for almost 30 years but never in 6/8 time.. This really helped me with a new song I've been trying to learn THANK YOU
What a strange explanation, I have never heard this explained in this way, but... it makes Perfect sense, fabulous job!!!
I can't tell you how much your video series has changed my understanding of music. You have demystified music theory and have taken something I always assumed took years of study to understand and have done so in the time span of your short and informative videos. I'm 42, have been a professional musician as a metal singer, modern rock solo artist, and now that I'm getting into scoring video games, orchestral music. My writing before was always labored and unfinished simply because I did't understand the rules. My very first composition since watching your series is literally like night and day. I'm writing with purpose and understanding now and it sounds as if I've taken years of classical training. You're awesome, man. Thank you.
+Bryan Westbrook Hey that is awesome. Nothing like seeing a real difference when you're writing actual music. Feel free to share something you're working on at some point. And good luck!
I'll be happy to. As Murphy's Law would have it, just as I was working on that first piece, my hard drive fried. Lol. The PC board is toast. It's in the shop, fingers crossed they can fix it, and then I'm back in action. I've also been sharing your channel with all my old band mates and musician friends, just about all of whom view music theory as some Holy Grail...there but always out of reach. For someone like me, someone who has been making music (like an illiterate person writes a novel but you can get away with that in metal..sort of) it was like lifting me out of the fog. Something I was very familiar with came into complete focus. What a great feeling! Thanks again!
6:20 is what I was looking for, Application. As a guitar player we generally play by ear. Got to hear it, feel it, for it to be real.
Very clear explanation! You explained something clearly that has been confusing me for a while: the 3/4 not being 6/8 situation! Great job
Thank you!!!!! I'm practicing for honor band and didn't understand 12/8 time. You are a life saver!!!👍
Awesome, this is the best explanation of 6/8 I've run across. Thank you.
I'm really amazed at how well you explained all of this, and all in one go. You should definitely be a teacher. Thank you!!
Thank you Michael. I have played music publicly since 1994, i never had the patience to learn it by the book and in just 20 minutes you taught me more than my last 2 music instructors. Cheers to you my friend.
You're a natural teacher. Great structure and delivery totally understandable to me after one watch. Thank you!!
Love that you explained 6/8 without mentioning 3/4
You've been a huge help for me being able to review my class lessons at home.
Thanks alot ! Got an exam to look forward to tomorrow.
How was the exam
Mary Jane Tait Yep, that's exactly right. Unless the music specifically tells you to slow down or speed up, you'd play the 9/8 bar just like you'd play the 6/8 bar. It's basically just a bar with three beats rather than two.
+Michael New 6/8 bar = 3/4 bar
+张媚 I dont think so mahn....MIchael please clarify....this guy is wrong, isnt he?
+Aayush Gupta Yes, he is incorrect. I've talked about it a couple times, particularly in this video: ua-cam.com/video/yx9VuRWM1aM/v-deo.html
In a strict way they aren't the same, but both got six 8th notes per bar, the only thing that changes is the beat and how u write it in the score. they are not the same, but they are so close to each other, in south america, there are some rythms that mix both beats at the same time, creating some very interesting grooves.
Greetings from Chile! Nice video.
Aayush Gupta I know this is old, but I think this would be valuable to future readers.
The different time signatures, though they may look equivalent, are used to signify a different musical feel.
A 3/4 measure written with 16th notes would sound roughly like this:
BUM ba bum ba bum ba
With quarter notes, it is the traditional waltz feel of
DUM da da
However, 6/8 is used to signify a measure with 2 of these emphatic pulses per measure. It sounds almost like music composed in 2/4 but with triplet subdivisions or
DUM da da DOOM da da
While it is difficult to explain in words, music composed in 3/4 and 6/8 actually feel very different.
Try listening to a traditional rendition of “Amazing Grace”, a piece composed in 3/4 time, and compare that with “How He Loves Us” by Jesus Culture, a song composed in 6/8 time. Two “mathematically equivalent” time signatures with two different musical feelings.
OMG THIS HELPED ME WITH 6/8 SO MUCH
+Lily 5/7
+Catman 5/7?
Lily Its a meme
EmmuFlicks Actually it was a 9GAG meme.... thats where I got it from at least.
+EmmuFlicks I remember that
Great explanation of how to count these time signatures. I learned to play by ear and 6/8 tunes were the first tunes I learned to play - and the shorthand way I thought of it in terms of rhythm was that 6/8 was a fast version of 3/4 which is very familiar waltz time. It's a foot tapping approach to find the beat.
can you make a video of singing a line of music in 6/8, 3/4, 2/2, 3/2, and 9/8 time? Thanks!
Excellent SIR!!!.. You have done a real deep dive with this... I got more than I had expected from this...Thank you!!
I love writing in 7/8 and 7/4 personally. 5/4 is also really fun. Arpeggios in 7/8 are also so fun, that one missing 8th note allows for a lot of tension between bars as your ear really craves to hear that last 8th but wont
mike oldfield style
There's definitely some great 7/8 and 5/4 music out there. I have really no experience with 7/4.
Thanks for not stopping after the total beginner stuff! Im looking forward to digest the next Signaturevideo!
That was very well explained. I have a good grasp on 6/8 now. Thank you.
Perfect explanation! I was watching vids to see how many peeps explain 6/8 as having 6 beats. It's such a common mistake, I'm really glad to see awesome peeps like you understand and explain that there are 2 beats in 6/8. Great vid!
Thank you, I was wracking my brains out trying to figure this out in my grade 1 book.
I thank you a billion times. The time signature was one thing that confused the hell out of me. You made me see the light.
So... forgive me, my knowledge of music in writing is really simple. But why write in 6/8 when you could just write in 3/4?
InTheDecay because it can get complicated with too many subdivisions
Phrasing.
Maybe because the number of beats in a measure changes?
The reason has to do with how the two time signatures feel. In 6/8, you frequently feel 2 sets of three like he explains in the video. In 3/4, however, you tend to feel all three beats. There is plenty of music that feel 3 beats as one--namely waltzes--which is basically the same as the 6/8 feel.
In short:
3/4= ONE TWO THREE ---or-- ONE two three
6/8= ONE two three FOUR five six
Riley Kazukiewicz that accenting makes sense, but what always confuses me is, if you were to have two 3/4 bars back to back, wouldn't the resultant "ONE two three ONE two three" be the same as "ONE two three TWO two three".. Of course I'm sure that's wrong, but I struggle to see how. Is it to do with melodic phrases being double the length?
This is the finest explanation of compound time I've seen on the web. Starting with the dotted note makes all the sense. Thanks !
I got Myself in a loop when I dropped out of math to get into music
There are so many videos on UA-cam that complicate and confuse. This video is excellent and you present everything clearly.
Five stars!
+bertaga41 I remember when you actually did rate UA-cam videos on a five-star scale. Those were the days.
Him: "It's actually pretty simple"
Me: ".............are you actually outside of your mind right now"
Key and Peele?
wow!!!! I always found 3/4 and 6/8 same at least when counting the beat. Finally your explanation makes it clear for me. Thanks a ton
Thank you thank you thank you!!! This was way to understand and so helpful! Thank you!
This is so well explained. I've heard and read differences between simple time and compound time dozen of time but this one is from far the easiest to understand !
I was having some SERIOUS trouble remembering how to play 6/8 time. Thank you so much for this vid! It was so helpful!
I watched several videos on this topic in order to explain it to my six-year-old who is learning the piano. This is definitely the most helpful one simply because I totally understand what he is talking about, not mentioning that I’m not musical at all.👍🏻😂
Thank you very much.
If you want to see a lot of 6/8 and 3/8 in practice I suggest some Iranian(Persian) music.
We have myriads of 6/8s in our glossary. 6/8 is almost the most popular time in persian music.
do you have any recs?
lavinder11 look up "The Dance of Eternity"
Reza, could you give some links where we can listen to such music?
That's a great way you're explaining this.
Although, when there is any note with a dot, to play it broken up into 8s or 16s etc will create an entirely different thing.
The dote with a note, eg a 4 is silent, meaning it carries on the same note for another 1/2 (like you said) value, it's not a pause but it continues the same note until the end of the dot (the 1/2 value). So you can't play 8s instead of 4s with a dot (or without) because it makes it into a different sound melody..unless of course that's what's wanted..
But you explained the equivilant values brilliantly. Thank you
Okay this makes sense but the way you told us to count 6/8, isn't that how you count triplets though?
You can think of them that way, but keep in mind that a triplet is something that happens in simple time. A triplet essentially means "cram 3 notes into the space of 2". When you're in compound time every beat is broken into three parts by default, so you're technically not going to call it a triplet.
-Teacher
@@r.b.4611 oh so it sounds like a simple triplet but it's also just a regular beam of 3 in compound?
@@r.b.4611 Thanks for that! That supplemented the video perfectly.
I have been playing music for about 9 years. But I took a year break over the last year, and wow, legit forgot all my theory. Finding your videos a god send in remembering the basics.
3/4 is usually used for Waltz type music and 6/8 for Boogie Woogie and even stuff like Deadmau5 FML
Actually a lot of older waltzes, particularly faster Viennese waltzes are written in 6/8
I’m learning this to play metal on guitar
This is the best explanation I have found and I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOREVER. THANK YOU!
Thank you so much! This was so helpful for my Allstate audition piece!
Anna Elizabeth that's what I came here for too😂
Same
Serious question: why not use the dotted quarter notes in a 3/4 measure?
I didn't understand it all, but good video. A like from me😀
Welcome back mike and ty! Started piano lessons and was hoping to see new content by you!
Great video! My teacher in advanced music theory didn't explain this nearly as well.
Think you do an excellent, laid back, and unpretentious way of explaining simple and complex time. I listened to three other videos and yours was by far the best. Thank you.
7:41 are basically 2 triplets, right?
You can think of them that way, but keep in mind that a triplet is something that happens in simple time. A triplet essentially means "cram 3 notes into the space of 2". When you're in compound time every beat is broken into three parts by default, so you're technically not going to call it a triplet.
got it, thank you so much. i might want to watch all your vids ;-)
Well, technically you could look at 6/8 as 2/4 using mainly triplets. It would make things needlessly complicated, though ;).
Playing it made all the difference to me understanding it! Thank you, another great explanation.
How is 6/8 different to 3/4, because they technically have the same amount of beats in a measure, right? Is it because of how it is counted and where the accent is?
+plasticspine Thanks for explaining it!
Wait ok this kinda blew my mind; I've been in choir for a year and a half now at my school but this was the clearest way I've ever heard 6/8 and compound time explained lolll -- thank you!!
0:15 "It seems like you can do anything you want with these time signatures"
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i was playing the drums and stumbled into sixth eights time signature, you SAVED me.
The only thing I don’t get is “8”
What and why?
You know count of 4 right? Now can you further divide this count of 4 as double beats within same time frame of the count? {Yes, the result is 8 beats (notes) in 4 counts}. Those are the 8 notes.
Wow! You made this so much easier to understand. I have had these dang compound time signatures explained to me on countless occasions by many different people who are professional musicians various levels and NO ONE was able to make it understandable. Thank you so much. I struggled with this for so long (dumb I know) but now I'm good.
Quick question. Wouldn't 6/8 just simplify down to 3/4?
+Aaron Watkins Remember that time signatures are not meant to be fractions. Even though 3 quarter notes *is* equivalent to 6 eighth notes, the way you accent those notes is completely different.
If I may ask what determines how a note is accented?
Cool, thank you!
So there are six notes and eight beats for every measure. How can you divide eight notes by six and still maintain whole numbers. I'm dreadfully confused.
+Michael New How would the accents change if I substituted a bar (in 6/8), "ONE-two-three-FOUR-five-six", with two bars (in 3/4), "ONE-two-three(-)ONE-two-three"? It seems like two different ways to express the same thing.
Excellent job. I am a drummer and drumming instructor. 6/8 songs are Tarantellas, Mexican Hat Dance, For He's a Jolly Good Fellow, Irish Jigs. Also-- some Marches, and some Blues and Rock tunes. Anyway, Great job here breaking it down in a clear, intelligent way.
Finally some one that explain that in a way that make sense.
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Interesting. I talk about this as binary pulse in a lesson for guitar players as how we maintain the engine of the strum. I’ve surmised over the years that all rhythms break down into groups of 2 and 3.
I would count 12/8 different. 123 223 323 423... Only way I can count Led Zep's Since I've been loving you.
Or... 1 & a, 2 & a, 3 & a, 4 & a
Hmm. You know I'll really have to think about that. Not sure what the best way to something like that would be.
Imagine watching this last 7 years😂😂😂
Love 7/4. Rock Operas, Solsbury Hill, Theme to Mission Impossible.
These lessons are a wonderful refresher, and awesome as an intro to music theory and practice. I've been sending friends here, who recently wanted to learn about music in a more substantive way, not merely tickle the ivories.
These are difficult times...
Yes but with work it becomes very easy
No worries. I actually go over 9/8 and 12/8 in this video, and I'm planning on doing one more video to cover 7/8, 15/16, and other weird ones along those lines.
Absolutely brilliant explanation. Thank you so much for sharing your fabulous knowledge.
you are confusing me, michael new.
+RottingintheMidwest Anything in particular you found confusing? Remember this video has 2 or 3 videos leading up to it, so if you jump in right here it can be tough.
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How can i make a beat 6/4 or 7/4 On Roland TR 8s
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I've learned more in 1 hour on your channel (I've watched several of your videos) Than 3 years of music in high school... Thanks for the channel man!
your videos are awesome man. After watching these over and over again It really starts to sink in!
Thank you so much for the video. It is greatly appreciated. I am currently studying 6/8 time in my private lessons. Your video gave me an additional layer of understanding.
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Thanks Michael New very helpful videos, just wondering what the tune is that your playing at "6:36" really dig it!
What is the name of the piano piece you are using around 6:15 that I hear in your other videos also? Also, I am a touring pro bass player, and you just taught me all I ever needed to know about time signatures. THANK YOU.
Great break down of everything. how it works and why, where it doesn't wor k and why it doesn't work but most importantly how to kake that work after all.
My question is why you can't use the non dyadic time signature of 2/3 woth two dotted quater notes or 4 dotted eoght notes, 8 dotted 16th notes, 16 dotted 32nd notes, 32 dotted 64th notes? Maybe even one dotted half note?
This was so helpful! I had an assignment for my band class that was personalized per each instrument and mine had 6/8 time and I didn't know what it was. I asked all my friends and my teacher and they all said "It's just 3/4 time, x2" but that's not what it looked like on the sheet music. So I came here and I understand it know! Thanks!
+MakeshiftPicture Hey, glad I could help! And if you can, you should let your friends and teacher know that 6/8 is definitely not the same as "3/4 x2". I mean, politely, if you can :)
I m having a music final tomorrow any you saved meeee!!!! Thank you for making this simple and being easy to find, most lesson searches are impossible for me to find what I need but I guess I got lucky today.
Thank you for teaching me this! I have always been struck down in my attempts to learn better technique because of my lack of knowledge in reading 6/8 timing and pointing out the different notes being able to read is a tremendous help! You rock man
Thank you so much for this man! I come across this tempo a lot as a metal drummer, I've always known how to play it but I could never explain it to someone else. I have learned so much from one video and your explanations were fantastic! Thank you for sharing your wisdom.
I'm so happy this landed on my homepage. Always wanted to figure out the quirky signatures. This one was very educational. Thank you very much!
This is handsdown one of the most informative videos I've watched on youtube.
Watch more youtube music theory clips. @12Tone building blocks has some stuff you may enjoy if this is the most informative you have seen so far. There are handy tips in this clip. The library of knowledge on youtube can be incredible if you start refining your choices.
I just love it. Simply said, easy to understand, just love it. Thx for sharing
So, I would agree with this generally as it is "standard music theory" and most modern music follows this rule However, mathematically speaking and assuming the exact same true tempo, couldn't you very easily write the dotted quarter signature as 2/3? You get into all sorts of shenanigans if you have people trying to group notes in compound time signatures as if they were simple time signatures otherwise. I just say this because some internet clown decided to write out music outlaid differently than compound vs. simple theory suggests: they wrote it out as tripled eighth notes in 3/4 time and doubled eighth notes in 6/8! Which, if the simplest form of the rules of time signatures is true, IS ALSO mathematically correct - even if it doesn't accomplish the "normal goals" of 6/8 time.
This video is my “aha” moment of time signature. Thanks for breaking it down ❤️
Great lesson! Thank you got it! I was looking to understand 6/8 time signature
I found this song is a folk song from Chile is call Charagua and is written in
6/8 time signature now I get it thanks! Again the name of the song is Charagua
By Victor Jara , for those who will like to listen to it, its a very simple melody
and instrumentation and I think will be a good example to illustrate your lesson.
Thanks again!
Could you do a tutoriallike this demonstrating using a metronome or foot tap? I'm not sure were the notes fall in relation to the metronome sweep or the rise and fall of a foot. Say in playing a 6/8 jig or when a 4/4 has measures with dots or cuts. Thanks!
Wow! Your explanations really make me wanna learn music theory and that’s a big deal because I’ve never liked it since it seemed complicated.
Thank you so much.
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11 years after the making, I want to say Thank You!
this is still the best music theory channel on the internet
Words cannot express how glad i am i found your channel man, thank you!
I'm a bit confused as to when I use my rythem unit on my keyboard. When I chose a 6/8 time and play I'm not sure how to count as the rythem unit displays the recurring number 1 2 3 4 1234 1234 in 6/12 and not 123456 this is confusing for me as there are, or I think six beats in 6/8 time and metrone displays 1234. Hope I have not confused my question and hope you could explain in a way I could understand my confusion. Kind Regards Ian.
Oh wow, I had no idea Bulgarian music was so awesome. Thanks so much for these. And I'll be sure to go over things like (5+7)/8 and (9+5)/16.
Oh cool, where are you from? And is there any particular song you can link me to? I'm kind of curious, and I really haven't listened to much in 7/8 outside of progressive rock.