It has been some time since I last purchased a new set of irons, been struggling with this decision as I gear up for this season... Found a half dozen reviews on this topic prior to stumbling onto this video and have to say this was by far and above the most informative and believable review I have yet to see comparing these two excellent choices. Non-biased, authentic real-life usage and data to lay it all out in sensible categories, not too short, not too long, just nailed it... Said another way, YOU DA MAN! Subscribing...
Yesterday I purchased a set off SIM2's 4-PW and topped up with Stealth SW AW 3DUI (replacing my 20 years Wilson set). Retained my Taylormade R15 Driver and Aeroburner 3 Hybrid in the bag also.
GOT MY STEALTHS TODAY ordered them custom made 6 days ago and they arrived at my door today....so of coarse i had to go do a round of golf...OH MY I LOVE THEM straight and a club to a club and a half further than my PXG Gen 2 SGI irons...and nice soft feel....love love love them....cheers from Canada
Your video is SPOT ON!! Ive been gaming the Sim2 Max OS irons since August of 2021. Loved the way the STEALTH irons look for sure, but considering price point and distance gained, I will keep my Sims. Paid $947 for 4-SW. Bought the driver used but almost new for $399. I couldnt be happier. Hcp went from 19 to a 9 in a year almost. Sold my SPIDER putter for a EXO INDIANAPOLIS. More headweight has given me better distance control on my putts.
Love the reviews. You sure have a lot of great gear. You are blessed to be able to buy new stuff so frequently. When I bought new irons this year I told the wife they will last me ten years. We will see haha
I hope that come out on top in the forgiveness category over the Rouge Max OS, Ping G425 and Cleveland Launcher XL because I do love the look - although the Rogue is no slouch in the looks department either. Too bad they do not have a SGI Stealth OS version too. Still though, I can’t wait to hit these. Nice evaluation as usual.
I went 2 weeks ago for an iron fitting (switching from players irons to game improvement, because who doesn't want to make golf easier?) and it was between the Stealths and the Mizuno Hot Metal Pro. Ended up going with the Stealths because they were just better all the way across the board for me (dispersion, ball speed, distance, and even for me were on par or better than the Mizunos on feel). Definitely agree with your review, great feeling, consistent, forgiving, great looking set, and I'm looking forward to getting mine in so I can go give them a true test!
I am looking for some GI clubs as well. Did you happen to try the Callaway Rogue Max OS, Ping G425 or any of the Cleveland offerings? If you did, how did they stack up? Either way I'm with you on making golf easier - a little anyway.
@@Alan_Edwards The only one from those that I tried were the Pings, which I REALLY liked the look of. They look great down by the ball. The sound/feel just wasn't for me and the Stealths beat them on stats (although the Stealths are less lofted). For me though, there was just no reason to give up the extra yardage when I really wasn't sacrificing anything with the Stealths (like landing angle, ball height, etc.).
@@ChuckHenryII Really? That is a little surprising. Everything I have read/heard says the Ping is THE most forgiving. I only recently added them to my list since I have owned some Pings (i20) and was not thrilled with them and not a huge fan of the look - don't like the Ping notch. Do love the look of the Stealth. I hope I have the same experience and end up with these in my bag....or the Rogue. Thanks for the reply sir.
I just picked up a used set of the Sim 2 max, couldn’t be any happier! Got a 5-P,A,S! They are very forgiving and buttery smooth when hit right! I was hitting my 7 iron 200+ feet at my fitting! Tried them on the course today, were amazing as well and was hitting my 5 iron farther than my buddies drivers. Saved a bunch of money by not getting the stealth’s although I did like how the stealth’s felt at the fitting and if money was no obstacle, may have been my choice. Granted I require a +1 length and a stiff flex, so getting a new set adjusted would’ve been more time and money, while the used set was ready to go right away! For now the sim 2 max serve me perfectly and I am in love! Also, I don’t know why everyone says the sim 2 max are ugly, I think they look super cool!!
Hi Eric, I am actually a really good golfer hcp 0.5 but have been struggling so bad with my irons (Tmade MC) in terms of accuracy and contact. I am now looking into game improvement irons, I know I should be too good for that but sadly Im not. How do you find accuracy with them? About lenght I dont care. Am really lost so I would thank you a lot about help. Cheers
Would strongly encourage you to try the PXG Gen 5 irons. I gained 2-4.5 mph ball speed compared to Mizuno JPX 921 forged and cobra forged tec. Pair that with the $269 for extreme dark edition heroes price through family and any upgraded shaft included in that price and you have pretty good value there.
I would love to try them as well. Too bad they are not available in most golf centers. The closest PXG store is a hike from my location so not really practical. I do like the look of them though and have heard good things.
The distance category is for high handicap player something what most of these player probably want. But the clubs with strong loft is not something what I am looking for. I looking for clubs that gives me workability, forgiveness and the right gaping between my woods and wedges.
Now if Money was not an issue would you look at Gen 5 PXG, or maybe a set of another type of Forged Irons like cobra’s. I know you have been thinking of doing a video with the Cobra forged or even Calloway Apex? I know the Mira’s I think they are look amazing, and price wise they are amazing.
@@LetsPlayThru The Cobra Forged Tea was the most interesting club release of 2021 in many ways IMHO. I think they truly did something special and as a game improvement irons, nothing else came close. The others that I liked a lot was the Callaway Apex TCB. Branded as a tour player's club I found them to be extremely comfortable, primarily because they have traditional lofts. Yes, you lose on distance, but you gain on just about everything else. And the forgiveness aspect is still there. I think they are by far Callaway's best irons that they have ever made, IMVHO. I actually think you might enjoy them.
I’ve been playing the SIM2 Max for the last year. Really starting to groove with them. The PXG 0211 look like something to consider though. Is that one that you’re testing?
The stealth line is insane crazy the products Taylormade keeps dropping and I’m a apex iron guy but rocking the driver and 5 wood unreal results. Considering looking into the mg wedge from the vokey
I think it might also be added that getting fitted into the Stealth might be a bit easier although there are probably still enough Sim2s in stores right now but the numbers will wane over the next few months. After that you are going more into the used market for the Sim2s which may or may not fit someone if they aren't a totally standard type of hitter. Surprisingly, for me at least, I switched from the Sim2s to a set of P790s earlier this year. I liked the Sim2s but for some reason never hit them as well as I thought I should. Maybe i took the 'forgiveness' aspect too much for granted but for some reason I just never felt completely comfortable with them. I picked up a set of used P790s for my son and one day decided to try hitting them instead of the Sim2s. For some reason I hit them much better. So my son, who is pretty much a beginner is hitting the Sim2s and I kept the P790s. I hit them well, really well. Not quite as far as the Sim2s but more consistently and more in line with my gapping between 3H and PW. For the first time in almost 25 years breaking 80 with some consistency is a real possibility. My last five rounds have been sub 85 and I shot 80 once. For a single digit handicapper that is a 'big deal' thing but for someone getting back into the game after a 20 plus year layoff I am pleasantly surprised.
How do you think the PXG 0211s stack up? My biggest concern is I’ve never hit the PXG clubs and I can’t find anywhere in my area that has them in stock. Buying them online without ever hitting them worries me. I have been able to hit both sets of taylor made irons though.
Have you considered buying one or two clubs directly from PXG? They do sell them a single so it might be a good way to try them without burning a huge hole in your pocket.
I really enjoyed your last couple reviews of the PXG/Taylormade lines. With the exception of a few years that I’ve played, I have had Ping and Mizuno for a few years. I know there are some very nice and good quality irons to be had, But It seems that I alway gravitated back to the Hogan line which I started playing with some 45 years ago. Keep the videos coming I always enjoy all your content/ opinions!
Ive been going back and forth between these sets for the longest. The stealths are still $1k but ive seen sim maxs in the mid $600 range to $700. You think for $400 ish dollars more the stealth is worth it or should i get the sims
Thanks Andrew and great question. In terms of looks they players irons are going to have less offset and a thinner profile. They may not be as long or deep either. In terms of feel, it's going to give better feedback so you know where you struck the ball. In terms of performance, they are going to have better workability to move the ball left or right and likely will be easier to get the club on the ball in tough lies like deep rough. They are generally going to have less distance and less forgiveness though.
Pxg gen 3 xp super good deal. Same or less than stealth and forged soft feel. Similar loft also. Or just go g5. You loved the mp225 Mizuno also? Rogue pro? 🤷♂️😊
Just tested the stealth versus Callaway paradigm and there was no difference in performance despite the obvious price differences. However, Stealth no better than my old m2 irons.
Great honest review! The Stealth just looks so much better to me. Do you find an issue holding greens with the 7/8 irons given their jacked lofts? I took my old set of RAC irons out last week and although they were 15 yds shorter per club than modern irons, I kind of liked being able to hit mid irons at the pins and get some stopping power. I think TM are doing a good job with value. 4-PW are working out at £840 here in the UK, around £100 cheaper than equivalent Ping and Mizuno.
Enjoy your reviews, per this one: 1. reducing spin for more distance is not "better", esp on hard greens in the summer. Increasing front/back dispersion doesnt reduce scores. 2. How would you compare Sim2 vs Apex DCB? Cheers f AZ, ex Bloomingdale member!
You're right, it's not necessarily better. Depends on the course conditions for sure. For what it's worth, I chose the SIM 2s over the Apex at the time, but will say, the Apex DCBs are really consistent and straight.
Save your $ (saying this 10 seconds into video) and now that videos over, im still saying save your $ i paid 1200 for my sim2 irons last year but they came with better shafts.
@@LetsPlayThru playing the best golf of my life this summer no joke!!! When you coming back to wisconsin? Id love to play a round with you brother my treat!???
Irons should look timeless to me, I wouldn't be able to stand buying a brand that completely overhauls their designs every year while generating the feeling that you have something old already. Sometimes even soon after your recent purchase of the previous design.
It has been some time since I last purchased a new set of irons, been struggling with this decision as I gear up for this season... Found a half dozen reviews on this topic prior to stumbling onto this video and have to say this was by far and above the most informative and believable review I have yet to see comparing these two excellent choices. Non-biased, authentic real-life usage and data to lay it all out in sensible categories, not too short, not too long, just nailed it... Said another way, YOU DA MAN! Subscribing...
Glad to hear it was helpful, good luck on the club hunt and welcomes to the channel 🙌
Yesterday I purchased a set off SIM2's 4-PW and topped up with Stealth SW AW 3DUI (replacing my 20 years Wilson set). Retained my Taylormade R15 Driver and Aeroburner 3 Hybrid in the bag also.
I’m 14 been taking the game of golf serious since the past 2 years and I recently upgraded to the sim2max irons I love them
GOT MY STEALTHS TODAY ordered them custom made 6 days ago and they arrived at my door today....so of coarse i had to go do a round of golf...OH MY I LOVE THEM straight and a club to a club and a half further than my PXG Gen 2 SGI irons...and nice soft feel....love love love them....cheers from Canada
Has your opinion changed since this comment?
Your video is SPOT ON!! Ive been gaming the Sim2 Max OS irons since August of 2021.
Loved the way the STEALTH irons look for sure, but considering price point and distance gained, I will keep my Sims. Paid $947 for 4-SW. Bought the driver used but almost new for $399.
I couldnt be happier. Hcp went from 19 to a 9 in a year almost. Sold my SPIDER putter for a EXO INDIANAPOLIS. More headweight has given me better distance control on my putts.
Glad to hear they are treating you well🙌
Love the reviews. You sure have a lot of great gear. You are blessed to be able to buy new stuff so frequently. When I bought new irons this year I told the wife they will last me ten years. We will see haha
Hit the Sim2 in a simulator and was bombing a 7 iron way past all other irons I tried. Thanks for the review.
I hope that come out on top in the forgiveness category over the Rouge Max OS, Ping G425 and Cleveland Launcher XL because I do love the look - although the Rogue is no slouch in the looks department either. Too bad they do not have a SGI Stealth OS version too. Still though, I can’t wait to hit these. Nice evaluation as usual.
Thanks Alan
LTDx One Length +2" with Jumbomax XL Grips. Shave 14 strokes off and brought me under 80
Loving my Jumbo Max grips. So good for someone with big hands and a bit of arthritis.
I went 2 weeks ago for an iron fitting (switching from players irons to game improvement, because who doesn't want to make golf easier?) and it was between the Stealths and the Mizuno Hot Metal Pro. Ended up going with the Stealths because they were just better all the way across the board for me (dispersion, ball speed, distance, and even for me were on par or better than the Mizunos on feel). Definitely agree with your review, great feeling, consistent, forgiving, great looking set, and I'm looking forward to getting mine in so I can go give them a true test!
Hope they serve you well!
I am looking for some GI clubs as well. Did you happen to try the Callaway Rogue Max OS, Ping G425 or any of the Cleveland offerings? If you did, how did they stack up? Either way I'm with you on making golf easier - a little anyway.
@@Alan_Edwards The only one from those that I tried were the Pings, which I REALLY liked the look of. They look great down by the ball. The sound/feel just wasn't for me and the Stealths beat them on stats (although the Stealths are less lofted). For me though, there was just no reason to give up the extra yardage when I really wasn't sacrificing anything with the Stealths (like landing angle, ball height, etc.).
@@ChuckHenryII Really? That is a little surprising. Everything I have read/heard says the Ping is THE most forgiving. I only recently added them to my list since I have owned some Pings (i20) and was not thrilled with them and not a huge fan of the look - don't like the Ping notch. Do love the look of the Stealth. I hope I have the same experience and end up with these in my bag....or the Rogue. Thanks for the reply sir.
im in the same thought process atm..,how has the transition from players irons to gi gone? are u scoring better?
I just picked up a used set of the Sim 2 max, couldn’t be any happier! Got a 5-P,A,S! They are very forgiving and buttery smooth when hit right! I was hitting my 7 iron 200+ feet at my fitting! Tried them on the course today, were amazing as well and was hitting my 5 iron farther than my buddies drivers. Saved a bunch of money by not getting the stealth’s although I did like how the stealth’s felt at the fitting and if money was no obstacle, may have been my choice. Granted I require a +1 length and a stiff flex, so getting a new set adjusted would’ve been more time and money, while the used set was ready to go right away! For now the sim 2 max serve me perfectly and I am in love! Also, I don’t know why everyone says the sim 2 max are ugly, I think they look super cool!!
Hi Eric, I am actually a really good golfer hcp 0.5 but have been struggling so bad with my irons (Tmade MC) in terms of accuracy and contact. I am now looking into game improvement irons, I know I should be too good for that but sadly Im not. How do you find accuracy with them? About lenght I dont care. Am really lost so I would thank you a lot about help. Cheers
im a new golfer was able to pick up a used set of stealth irons for 570$ went out to use them and i love them
Would strongly encourage you to try the PXG Gen 5 irons. I gained 2-4.5 mph ball speed compared to Mizuno JPX 921 forged and cobra forged tec. Pair that with the $269 for extreme dark edition heroes price through family and any upgraded shaft included in that price and you have pretty good value there.
Well I do have the 2022 version of the 0211s that just showed up today, but Gen5s are def on my list to try too
I would love to try them as well. Too bad they are not available in most golf centers. The closest PXG store is a hike from my location so not really practical. I do like the look of them though and have heard good things.
Love the videos! Such an underrated channel
Thanks Max
The distance category is for high handicap player something what most of these player probably want. But the clubs with strong loft is not something what I am looking for. I looking for clubs that gives me workability, forgiveness and the right gaping between my woods and wedges.
I’ve got just the review for you coming in the next day or so
Now if Money was not an issue would you look at Gen 5 PXG, or maybe a set of another type of Forged Irons like cobra’s. I know you have been thinking of doing a video with the Cobra forged or even Calloway Apex? I know the Mira’s I think they are look amazing, and price wise they are amazing.
Well 2 more sets I'm 100% trying out this week are the Cobra Forged Tec and the new PXG 0211s (2022 model).
@@LetsPlayThru The Cobra Forged Tea was the most interesting club release of 2021 in many ways IMHO. I think they truly did something special and as a game improvement irons, nothing else came close.
The others that I liked a lot was the Callaway Apex TCB. Branded as a tour player's club I found them to be extremely comfortable, primarily because they have traditional lofts. Yes, you lose on distance, but you gain on just about everything else. And the forgiveness aspect is still there. I think they are by far Callaway's best irons that they have ever made, IMVHO. I actually think you might enjoy them.
I’ve been playing the SIM2 Max for the last year. Really starting to groove with them. The PXG 0211 look like something to consider though. Is that one that you’re testing?
I've got the 2020 and the 2022 versions of the 0211s right now, yes.
If it ain't broke why fix it?
I’d like to see the stealths compared to the Srixon ZX4’s and ZX5’s
The stealth line is insane crazy the products Taylormade keeps dropping and I’m a apex iron guy but rocking the driver and 5 wood unreal results. Considering looking into the mg wedge from the vokey
TM is really pushing the limits for sure. At the top of their game right now, no doubt.
@@LetsPlayThru no question. Fun to watch and witness.
Highly suggest an mg3. They are insanely amazing. Coming from a vokey fan boy
I can get New sim 2 irons 5,pw,aw for 500.00 or used stealth for 600 with dri tac grips. Idk which to go with
Gabe. If you want to upgrade your iron, it's worth to buy PXG0211 DC. New club with new technology but come with affordable and reasonable price
Thank you. Yes I like those, just reviewed them last week.
@@LetsPlayThru yup. Already watched it
@@burhanuddin670 new 0211s just came today, excited to compare them
@@LetsPlayThru share with us the review
I think it might also be added that getting fitted into the Stealth might be a bit easier although there are probably still enough Sim2s in stores right now but the numbers will wane over the next few months. After that you are going more into the used market for the Sim2s which may or may not fit someone if they aren't a totally standard type of hitter.
Surprisingly, for me at least, I switched from the Sim2s to a set of P790s earlier this year. I liked the Sim2s but for some reason never hit them as well as I thought I should. Maybe i took the 'forgiveness' aspect too much for granted but for some reason I just never felt completely comfortable with them. I picked up a set of used P790s for my son and one day decided to try hitting them instead of the Sim2s. For some reason I hit them much better. So my son, who is pretty much a beginner is hitting the Sim2s and I kept the P790s. I hit them well, really well. Not quite as far as the Sim2s but more consistently and more in line with my gapping between 3H and PW.
For the first time in almost 25 years breaking 80 with some consistency is a real possibility. My last five rounds have been sub 85 and I shot 80 once. For a single digit handicapper that is a 'big deal' thing but for someone getting back into the game after a 20 plus year layoff I am pleasantly surprised.
That sounds like a great swap! Glad to hear you’re belting those P790s. And yes, great point about the fitting prospects. Thanks Thomas.
How do you think the PXG 0211s stack up? My biggest concern is I’ve never hit the PXG clubs and I can’t find anywhere in my area that has them in stock. Buying them online without ever hitting them worries me. I have been able to hit both sets of taylor made irons though.
Have you considered buying one or two clubs directly from PXG? They do sell them a single so it might be a good way to try them without burning a huge hole in your pocket.
@@LetsPlayThru a simple solution that I hadn’t thought of! Thanks for the great idea!
Good job. Last I checked a custom set would take a while to get there.
Believe it or not I just picked them up on Amazon. Only took 2 days.
I really enjoyed your last couple reviews of the PXG/Taylormade lines. With the exception of a few years that I’ve played, I have had Ping and Mizuno for a few years. I know there are some very nice and good quality irons to be had, But It seems that I alway gravitated back to the Hogan line which I started playing with some 45 years ago. Keep the videos coming I always enjoy all your content/ opinions!
Is this a good first name brand choice for irons? I’ve been using top flight just to get familiar w the game for a little over a year.
Great video! In your opinion, how often should the average golfer (plays 18 twice a month) upgrade irons or any club for that matter?
Ive been going back and forth between these sets for the longest. The stealths are still $1k but ive seen sim maxs in the mid $600 range to $700. You think for $400 ish dollars more the stealth is worth it or should i get the sims
Great video. What is the real,difference between the player and the high handicapper clubs
Thanks Andrew and great question. In terms of looks they players irons are going to have less offset and a thinner profile. They may not be as long or deep either. In terms of feel, it's going to give better feedback so you know where you struck the ball. In terms of performance, they are going to have better workability to move the ball left or right and likely will be easier to get the club on the ball in tough lies like deep rough. They are generally going to have less distance and less forgiveness though.
What Gab said and they are NOT forgiving. If you don't hit the sweet spot, you will know it and feel it.
Great review. Are there good game improvement irons without lofts jacked? I want the forgiveness but don’t really need the distance.
PING G425s in the classic loft config come to mind.
@@LetsPlayThru thanks for the quick response. I’ll have to check those out
Pxg gen 3 xp super good deal. Same or less than stealth and forged soft feel. Similar loft also. Or just go g5. You loved the mp225 Mizuno also? Rogue pro? 🤷♂️😊
Just tested the stealth versus Callaway paradigm and there was no difference in performance despite the obvious price differences. However, Stealth no better than my old m2 irons.
Shout out to Playbetter!! There awesome!
Great honest review! The Stealth just looks so much better to me. Do you find an issue holding greens with the 7/8 irons given their jacked lofts?
I took my old set of RAC irons out last week and although they were 15 yds shorter per club than modern irons, I kind of liked being able to hit mid irons at the pins and get some stopping power.
I think TM are doing a good job with value. 4-PW are working out at £840 here in the UK, around £100 cheaper than equivalent Ping and Mizuno.
Honestly I had no problems holding greens. My only problem is I kept flying greens because I wasn’t used to how much longer they were at first. :)
Stealth vs stealth HD vs the club in my bag m2 (2017)
Sim2s are the best irons I've hit.
Enjoy your reviews, per this one: 1. reducing spin for more distance is not "better", esp on hard greens in the summer. Increasing front/back dispersion doesnt reduce scores. 2. How would you compare Sim2 vs Apex DCB? Cheers f AZ, ex Bloomingdale member!
You're right, it's not necessarily better. Depends on the course conditions for sure. For what it's worth, I chose the SIM 2s over the Apex at the time, but will say, the Apex DCBs are really consistent and straight.
Oh boy, upgrade time :-)
That's the plan!
Pissing your money away. Same thing. They have to sell new and shiny.
Save your $ (saying this 10 seconds into video) and now that videos over, im still saying save your $ i paid 1200 for my sim2 irons last year but they came with better shafts.
Hope you’re still hitting them solid Mike. 😃
@@LetsPlayThru playing the best golf of my life this summer no joke!!! When you coming back to wisconsin? Id love to play a round with you brother my treat!???
The Stealth irons were best in the simulator for me but on course was a different story... I hated them.
Irons should look timeless to me, I wouldn't be able to stand buying a brand that completely overhauls their designs every year while generating the feeling that you have something old already. Sometimes even soon after your recent purchase of the previous design.
First, not firstly.
Disagree