Valkyrae got a headache while learning chess
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That was a really good explanation from Myth tho damn
Not really... It was a good explanation for someone who already knows the answer. But for a beginner should have just kept it simple and say they are equal but in open positions it's bishops generally and in closed positions it's knight.
@@shivasurya7008 thats not what he said tho. I think he meant value changes in different parts of the game (early-mid-end) and they have some sort of usefulness in different parts of it. Thats how i understood it tho, as someone who doesnt play
@@llll-xh1qr you got it correctly.
I feel like he could have given a simple example to help the explanation. Like talk about opponent pawn structures. Aka, say something like “it depends on the board which is more valuable. If your opponent has all of their pawns on dark squares, which do you think is more valuable- the dark bishop or a knight?” Let then answer. Explain why it’s probably the night if they didn’t get it
I feel like if you know how the pieces move, that question shouldn't be asked. Just know their movements and play the game.
It’s a combo of stress and caffeine withdrawals…
Yea her life must be very stressful
And woman
Relax
@@umunicorns6517 god bless her soul. Suffering for our sins
People being addicted to hot bean water is so fuckin weird
They're the same value, until they're not 😂
That’s the actual answer lol.
Spoiler, they have the same value only before the game starts ;)
Yea but generally bishop pair is much stronger than horse pair. Because they can cover larger amount of space
@@Mrdinomist Depends on position
@@Mrdinomist it depends on the amount of pieces in late game, really it goes either way with positional purposes so I always try to trade and take either both their Knights or both Bishops while I keep one of each so I can control the later outcome of the game with the play style I choose (this really only works if ur white or u have material advantage)
Conclusion: Knight is better at the start of the game cause it can go throw ur pawns/ bishop is better in late cause the amount of free space
The best way to think about which is stronger is positionally based. If there is a pawn wall, meaning you and your opponent had the chance to take each other’s pawns but instead made them face each other. This is called a closed position, in which knights are better. If all the pawns traded, and there’s free space on the board bishops are better.
Valkyrae.exe stopped working 🤯
When he realised he geeked 🤣
It’s me when a girl asks me a question about cars or watches and i go way too much into detail and lose her completely. And then after 5 minutes i realised I’m talking too lang. That’s this. Exactly😂
Same for me in math but I finish my point completely, because I can never speak about math anyway so I may just do it even if people don't get it. + sometimes they actually like someone looking intelligent...
But when they ask these questions they make you happy😂😂
Girls don't talk to me but if they did i would do thay about certain stuff
@@holomurphy22 yeah me in maths
Myth just gave up in the end😭
“Bishops 3.3 , knights 3.1” -Kasporov
this
Lol it was a good explanation but I also have trouble understanding when people talk to me for too long 😅
holy shit that wasn’t that long lolololol
@@Mr.Opinion it's long if you're just looking for a one sentence answer
@@Mr.Opinion to a beginner bringing up strategy and positioning a piece can do can be overwhelming lol
Adhd?
It wasn't long, it was just convoluted and poorly explained for her level of experience
rae: finally asks a gd qn
myth: lemme confuse her 😈
edit: yall i spelled good question as 'gd qn' cuz i was too lazy to spell the whole thing 😓
gd qn?
I actually thought Myth was so sweet and patient in explaining aww
@@foshyurgason GooD QuestioN
@@neatorae5866 I know, but why spell it like that
@@neatorae5866 are we shorting good question now ...
Me when I'm answering my brother's question and he gets annoyed when he isn't getting the answer he wants. So I had to be like Myth and cut it short even tho the extra stuff I'm saying is important. Sure he got the yes or no answer but not the reason why.
Language needs to be adjusted to the listener's level.
Otherwise we'd teach quantum mechanics to 5 year olds.
Like einstein says "if you can't explain it to a child, you don't understand the topic thoroughly"
Explain it sentence by sentence and let the listener ask or ask them questions after each bite size of info to get rid of misconceptions
Knight in beginning. Bishop in late game
She actually ended up understanding at a better level than several other people in this tournament, and did quite well considering her starting level.
Myths explanation here wasn't wrong but it's a lot to consider for a newbie. Myth is also no chess expert either!
there was a chess tournament? I missed it :'(
@@YummyCore Yeah Ludwig's Dumb Chess tournament, featuring entirely newbies to Chess. I think Rae enjoyed it after all the stressing over not knowing much.
It's generally pretty simple: bishops are more valuable in open positions, knights are more valuable in closed positions 👍
He explained that terribly lol
In case anyone genuinely wants to know it's like a difference between shotgun and sniper. Although they are equal in value based upon how ur position is setup decides the real value of the piece at that moment!
Vinson is just having a good time on this channel 😂
Who
@@Muzansptsd11 one of the editors for rae
@@DODO-pq2fh ok thanks
Valkyrie blundered into a mating idea. You can sac queen and check with two knights and bishop.
That explanation was on point tho
😂 she actually ended up being pretty clutch at chess. Talented Queen.
Not that whole explanation just to say "they have the same value" 😂
They don't tho, bishops are better in the late game and most people think they're better overall
I love myth he is a try hard at every game he plays 😂
Open game = bishop
Closed game = knight
A knight is not useless in an open game, but one of the bishops is useless most of the time in a closed game and you have to plan out which one.
I fully understood that and I don't play chess that much. Very good explanation
yeah but you're a dude
@@boliusabol822 Why does that matter? Also how did you know....
@@boliusabol822 lmao what do you mean by that?
Teaching is a skill too, it’s important to always dumb things down form the get-go and then get more specific when asked questions. “They are worth the same but bishops are better when the pawns are out of the way”
Myth gives a thesis on what’s more valuable ….. also myth “ sorry sorry they have the same value 😦… 😂
"Trash teaching trash will produce trash"-someone, not me. Lmao
Another way to explain it is that the bishop is for more open games and knight for more closed games, it’s usually better to keep the bishop because a significant amount of games are usually open games.
in open games= a bishop
in tight spaces= a knight
I always thought of it as first bishop has more value while second has less value
Think of it as a sword and shield.
Their values are the same but later on, in some situations. The sword can come in clutch when you need a weapon. The shield can save block attacks and projectiles.
Or in both cases, you block arrows with the shield until you reach the enemy archer with the sword.
You can also do the same with the opposite weapons by cutting the arrows and bashing the enemy :V
But everyone has their favorites.
That was like a super good, straight forward and easy to understand explination tho
🤦♂️
Someone is getting paid to add horse noises and explosion sounds over the video
myth been doing too much XQx impression he sounded like him at the end LMAO xD
The short version is this.
Both have the same 'value' as both are 3 pawns. With that being said, bishop are generally better at end game because the board are more opened. Hence why most strategy prefer maintaining bishop over knight.
I tend to evaluate it as the first bishop is worth 3.5 the second one is 3.0 because the bishop pair is so strong.
Myth was telling his whole life story Lmao 😂
He should have opened up: They're the same value.
And continued: However...
but they are not
@@FeRoOOo71 They essentially are. There are different scenarios where they excel, but exchanging a bishop for a knight is generally an equal trade. Especially at lower ratings.
Yeah I was lost after "so certain cases" lmao I frowned so hard trying to understand I got a small headache🤣
Are you serious?
@@thishandleistaken1011 yes. I have zero interest in chess, so trying to force myself to understand something as boring as that gives me headaches.
@@Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii I don't have any interest in chess either, but what he said wasn't anything hard to understand.
@@thishandleistaken1011 for me it was. Just because you don't find it complicated doesn't mean everyone else find it easy to understand.
That was a solid attempt to explain though
In the end, they have the same value
She was following along until the brain was required 😂
She’s like: I’ve heard politicians give less convoluted answers.
Basically he was saying they start the same then you pick one over the other based on ur main strategy
I zoned out so quickly I was so confused
Rachell is so effing adorable
myth was trolling without even trying to
Simple way to put it, if there are pawns closing the center then the knight is better but if there’s no pawns in the center then bishop is better
(usually it’s open so bishop is usually better)
Yeah towards the end of the game the knight will be slightly more valuable because each bishop can only stay on one color. So if your opponent has only one bishop left you can essentially completely avoid it.
The best short & sweet answer for a beginner: the bishops have better range but the knights are sneakier. At the beginning, don’t trade bishops for knights as a general rule of thumb
knight is always more valuable its abilty to fork peices is second to none
They're equal until they're not.
Basically they are on the same value but depending the situation a piece could become more valuable
Open position=bishop more valuable
Closed=Knight
That was actually a great explanation. She's probably just just needs the visual like I did
Closed positions/early - horse, open positions/late - bishop. I believe Bobby Fischer originally pointed out that the bishop should be valued slightly higher
Id say the knight is more important early game since the board can get really clumped and the knight has huge advantages there, the bishop is more important late game when there is more freedom to move
That's why i only watched queen's gambit for its drama and not chess.
Myth is giving a good lesson
Ok lets start a war...
Bishop has more value than the horse
They're the same value, but horses are better at navigating in tight positions while bishops are better in open positions with few pieces. The bishop is considered to generally be worth slightly more than the horse, but it depends on the position. Usually you don't want to trade your bishop pair as it becomes really strong and dangerous in the end stages of the game.
You're doing well. It's normal to find some parts confusing but it's worth pushing through.
“I was following along until you started talking about intergalactic quantum loop particulates”
her brain: ksuwtwvxlwoo17w6sv2oq8a6xh2
the dude: yeah it means they have the same value.
In short terms, they have the same value but with different ways of going about it
They're considered the same value. Bishops become more valuable if pawns get traded off, knights more valuable if pawns stay on the board
Kind of. But you are missing alot here
In general knights are useful in close positions and bishops are good in open positions
Bishop usually in endgame
Technically both have the same value (3 points) but analysis with computers have shown that the bishop tends to be more valuable in more games
Bishop good start game
Horse good end game
Bishop pair is considered more valuable than two horses
General rule of thumb is if the game is open bishop is better if the game is closed knight is better
What i use is if the bishop provides more value then their knight.
myth got so excited about the whole horse and bishop thing but it was too confusing lmao
Knight is a short range piece and bishop is a long range piece, now it simply depends on what your playing style is.
If it's an open game, a bishop is usually superior than a horsey but if it's a closed game, a knight can be really tricky and superior as bishops can't really attack or move in closed positions. Almost both of them have the value of 3, but computers have concluded that a bishop is slightly better than a knight.
I play a decent amount of chess and his explanation is confusing, too. I think it’s because he kept going back and forth with it, but I do get the part that he said it depends on situations, which apply pretty much to every piece. Early on The knight is highly valuable for setting up your board since it can be moves right away, but you should try and make a valuable trade with the knight, as I think bishop is a lot more useful for setting checkmating later on since there will be less pieces . Late game, early game kinda things. Regardless, legendary players sometimes even sacrifice the queen right away so…
At the end of the day they are equal 😁 like you said they both have pros and cons. In speed chess a knight can really throw you off and have you blunder more easily. Example a bishop has one colour so dont step on dark squares can be a easy tactic avoiding pieces getting blundered. Yet with knights you could get forked. But the power of holding a diagonal and such is great. Again pros and cons on both ends. So saying its equal is the best way to go about it.
In debt a bishop can be as usefull as a pawn. A rook valued higher could be useless and often they are as often people dont even get to a position to use them. Pawns are underrated in a sense causing them to be mvps in many games.
Me explaining stuff to my wife 😂
🤣🤣🤣
There's something like a few engines see horses as 2.999.. and bishops as 3.0001.. so you tell me which is better, purely situational and tactical imo.
To me , never trade your bishop for a knight UNLESS it damages the pawn structure
I think it's basically just knowing when bishops are weak. They are weak when they are forced into positions when they are locked down and basically become pawns where knights are almost impossible to completely lock down so in the same spot they are stronger.
This is why in lower elo knights are usually better because there openings are typically bad and the bishops get into bad spots and don't really ever join the game where in higher elo's the openings are known well enough that the bishops are usually guarenteed to have good spots.
It's called a knight. I usually slightly prefer the knight in the opening, as long a there are pawns in the 4 central squares. The more pieces and pawns are exchanged, the more the bishop gains in value because the relative emptiness increases its mobility. The exception being endgames with pawns on 1 side only where the ability of the knight to jump over our and the opponent's pieces and pawns makes it the better minor piece.
This Bish(op), lost me! -Valkyrae
Knightes better at the beginning, bishop is better at the end. But it's a small difference. There you go.
Really easy way to figure it out. If your bishop has a nice post where it can attack well it’s more valuable. If your pawns shut down a bishop the knights more valuable. The longer the game the more likely the bishop is more valuable
Myth keeps rambling on and on
Rae: "I just want to know if I can trade my bishop with the knight."
the explanation was really good
Wym lost, he explained it as simple as possible
Honestly I think he explained it perfectly.
when you are a science student so you are used to making smaller answers large as ****
simple thing. In closed position, knights are best and in open positions, Bishops are best.
Bishops normally worth more
Knights are more valuable than took IMHO. they have unique movement that cannot be blocked
Bishops can cover more board in a single turn which makes them better to have late game because it makes it easier to trap them into check mate the knight can also help but not as much in my opinion
Man's really didn't understand the assignment lmao
It actually depends on the situation
The way he says "move" is soo hilarious
Myth will forever be a nerd dam i miss him in the old days. By old days a few years back
TBH it's the strategists mentality that makes the value of the piece. I've played people who love their knights but I'm a bishop player.
But a knight can make unpredictable moves, especially in a blitz.😂