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  • @ninjapug7
    @ninjapug7 Рік тому +5833

    That was a really good explanation from Myth tho damn

    • @shivasurya7008
      @shivasurya7008 Рік тому +247

      Not really... It was a good explanation for someone who already knows the answer. But for a beginner should have just kept it simple and say they are equal but in open positions it's bishops generally and in closed positions it's knight.

    • @llll-xh1qr
      @llll-xh1qr Рік тому +134

      @@shivasurya7008 thats not what he said tho. I think he meant value changes in different parts of the game (early-mid-end) and they have some sort of usefulness in different parts of it. Thats how i understood it tho, as someone who doesnt play

    • @nrxr190
      @nrxr190 Рік тому +7

      @@llll-xh1qr you got it correctly.

    • @austinjones7569
      @austinjones7569 Рік тому +11

      I feel like he could have given a simple example to help the explanation. Like talk about opponent pawn structures. Aka, say something like “it depends on the board which is more valuable. If your opponent has all of their pawns on dark squares, which do you think is more valuable- the dark bishop or a knight?” Let then answer. Explain why it’s probably the night if they didn’t get it

    • @Rudabeger
      @Rudabeger Рік тому

      I feel like if you know how the pieces move, that question shouldn't be asked. Just know their movements and play the game.

  • @awaisrafiq5745
    @awaisrafiq5745 Рік тому +3181

    It’s a combo of stress and caffeine withdrawals…

    • @umunicorns6517
      @umunicorns6517 Рік тому +15

      Yea her life must be very stressful

    • @pingupungo3365
      @pingupungo3365 Рік тому +1

      And woman
      Relax

    • @Methdemon
      @Methdemon Рік тому +1

      @@umunicorns6517 god bless her soul. Suffering for our sins

    • @iberayhearmeroar
      @iberayhearmeroar Рік тому +2

      People being addicted to hot bean water is so fuckin weird

  • @alwinw64
    @alwinw64 Рік тому +886

    They're the same value, until they're not 😂

    • @howlingwolf317
      @howlingwolf317 Рік тому +50

      That’s the actual answer lol.

    • @Dr_Eam973
      @Dr_Eam973 Рік тому +10

      Spoiler, they have the same value only before the game starts ;)

    • @Mrdinomist
      @Mrdinomist Рік тому +5

      Yea but generally bishop pair is much stronger than horse pair. Because they can cover larger amount of space

    • @theowinter6471
      @theowinter6471 Рік тому +2

      @@Mrdinomist Depends on position

    • @aidangordon313
      @aidangordon313 Рік тому +2

      @@Mrdinomist it depends on the amount of pieces in late game, really it goes either way with positional purposes so I always try to trade and take either both their Knights or both Bishops while I keep one of each so I can control the later outcome of the game with the play style I choose (this really only works if ur white or u have material advantage)

  • @unthinkablemovie7785
    @unthinkablemovie7785 Рік тому +68

    Conclusion: Knight is better at the start of the game cause it can go throw ur pawns/ bishop is better in late cause the amount of free space

    • @cwazyazn
      @cwazyazn Рік тому +6

      The best way to think about which is stronger is positionally based. If there is a pawn wall, meaning you and your opponent had the chance to take each other’s pawns but instead made them face each other. This is called a closed position, in which knights are better. If all the pawns traded, and there’s free space on the board bishops are better.

  • @awaisrafiq5745
    @awaisrafiq5745 Рік тому +553

    Valkyrae.exe stopped working 🤯

  • @powerfuljones
    @powerfuljones Рік тому +118

    When he realised he geeked 🤣
    It’s me when a girl asks me a question about cars or watches and i go way too much into detail and lose her completely. And then after 5 minutes i realised I’m talking too lang. That’s this. Exactly😂

    • @holomurphy22
      @holomurphy22 Рік тому +1

      Same for me in math but I finish my point completely, because I can never speak about math anyway so I may just do it even if people don't get it. + sometimes they actually like someone looking intelligent...

    • @nobuenomonkey478
      @nobuenomonkey478 Рік тому

      But when they ask these questions they make you happy😂😂

    • @itismethatguy
      @itismethatguy Рік тому

      Girls don't talk to me but if they did i would do thay about certain stuff

    • @itismethatguy
      @itismethatguy Рік тому

      ​@@holomurphy22 yeah me in maths

  • @paulcyrusromagos3412
    @paulcyrusromagos3412 Рік тому +46

    Myth just gave up in the end😭

  • @EricSmyth4Christ
    @EricSmyth4Christ Рік тому +14

    “Bishops 3.3 , knights 3.1” -Kasporov

  • @Orblinkluv
    @Orblinkluv Рік тому +231

    Lol it was a good explanation but I also have trouble understanding when people talk to me for too long 😅

    • @Mr.Opinion
      @Mr.Opinion Рік тому +11

      holy shit that wasn’t that long lolololol

    • @JA-nv4zb
      @JA-nv4zb Рік тому +3

      @@Mr.Opinion it's long if you're just looking for a one sentence answer

    • @xol9331
      @xol9331 Рік тому +6

      @@Mr.Opinion to a beginner bringing up strategy and positioning a piece can do can be overwhelming lol

    • @user-mu5sl4vh7m
      @user-mu5sl4vh7m Рік тому

      Adhd?

    • @xCoNa14
      @xCoNa14 Рік тому

      It wasn't long, it was just convoluted and poorly explained for her level of experience

  • @woozisruby
    @woozisruby Рік тому +2375

    rae: finally asks a gd qn
    myth: lemme confuse her 😈
    edit: yall i spelled good question as 'gd qn' cuz i was too lazy to spell the whole thing 😓

    • @foshyurgason
      @foshyurgason Рік тому +15

      gd qn?

    • @pia1945
      @pia1945 Рік тому +44

      I actually thought Myth was so sweet and patient in explaining aww

    • @neatorae5866
      @neatorae5866 Рік тому +1

      @@foshyurgason GooD QuestioN

    • @foshyurgason
      @foshyurgason Рік тому +22

      @@neatorae5866 I know, but why spell it like that

    • @chaosplayer9903
      @chaosplayer9903 Рік тому +18

      @@neatorae5866 are we shorting good question now ...

  • @Meh_Lone_Bah
    @Meh_Lone_Bah Рік тому +97

    Me when I'm answering my brother's question and he gets annoyed when he isn't getting the answer he wants. So I had to be like Myth and cut it short even tho the extra stuff I'm saying is important. Sure he got the yes or no answer but not the reason why.

    • @xCoNa14
      @xCoNa14 Рік тому +3

      Language needs to be adjusted to the listener's level.
      Otherwise we'd teach quantum mechanics to 5 year olds.

    • @xCoNa14
      @xCoNa14 Рік тому

      Like einstein says "if you can't explain it to a child, you don't understand the topic thoroughly"

    • @ayoCC
      @ayoCC Рік тому

      Explain it sentence by sentence and let the listener ask or ask them questions after each bite size of info to get rid of misconceptions

  • @saxonevans5812
    @saxonevans5812 Рік тому +1

    Knight in beginning. Bishop in late game

  • @mattocolypse
    @mattocolypse Рік тому +64

    She actually ended up understanding at a better level than several other people in this tournament, and did quite well considering her starting level.
    Myths explanation here wasn't wrong but it's a lot to consider for a newbie. Myth is also no chess expert either!

    • @YummyCore
      @YummyCore Рік тому +1

      there was a chess tournament? I missed it :'(

    • @mattocolypse
      @mattocolypse Рік тому +2

      @@YummyCore Yeah Ludwig's Dumb Chess tournament, featuring entirely newbies to Chess. I think Rae enjoyed it after all the stressing over not knowing much.

  • @KingErnst16
    @KingErnst16 Рік тому +3

    It's generally pretty simple: bishops are more valuable in open positions, knights are more valuable in closed positions 👍

  • @aweskome4894
    @aweskome4894 Рік тому +1

    He explained that terribly lol

  • @goofyahhyanfei
    @goofyahhyanfei Рік тому +4

    In case anyone genuinely wants to know it's like a difference between shotgun and sniper. Although they are equal in value based upon how ur position is setup decides the real value of the piece at that moment!

  • @_Woo
    @_Woo Рік тому +9

    Vinson is just having a good time on this channel 😂

  • @Dohnr
    @Dohnr Рік тому +1

    Valkyrie blundered into a mating idea. You can sac queen and check with two knights and bishop.

  • @maxounes
    @maxounes Рік тому +3

    That explanation was on point tho

  • @roniskillz305
    @roniskillz305 Рік тому +18

    😂 she actually ended up being pretty clutch at chess. Talented Queen.

  • @nadia2870
    @nadia2870 Рік тому +3

    Not that whole explanation just to say "they have the same value" 😂

    • @kookoo275
      @kookoo275 Рік тому +1

      They don't tho, bishops are better in the late game and most people think they're better overall

  • @zapsst2060
    @zapsst2060 Рік тому +1

    I love myth he is a try hard at every game he plays 😂

  • @pugdawg4787
    @pugdawg4787 Рік тому +1

    Open game = bishop
    Closed game = knight
    A knight is not useless in an open game, but one of the bishops is useless most of the time in a closed game and you have to plan out which one.

  • @kl4shi
    @kl4shi Рік тому +56

    I fully understood that and I don't play chess that much. Very good explanation

    • @boliusabol822
      @boliusabol822 Рік тому +1

      yeah but you're a dude

    • @kl4shi
      @kl4shi Рік тому +3

      @@boliusabol822 Why does that matter? Also how did you know....

    • @gabino5678
      @gabino5678 Рік тому

      @@boliusabol822 lmao what do you mean by that?

  • @puchimausu
    @puchimausu Рік тому +2

    Teaching is a skill too, it’s important to always dumb things down form the get-go and then get more specific when asked questions. “They are worth the same but bishops are better when the pawns are out of the way”

  • @ABitefLife
    @ABitefLife Рік тому +1

    Myth gives a thesis on what’s more valuable ….. also myth “ sorry sorry they have the same value 😦… 😂

  • @Chakamatics
    @Chakamatics Рік тому +1

    "Trash teaching trash will produce trash"-someone, not me. Lmao

  • @avienad
    @avienad Рік тому

    Another way to explain it is that the bishop is for more open games and knight for more closed games, it’s usually better to keep the bishop because a significant amount of games are usually open games.

  • @dawitz854
    @dawitz854 Рік тому

    in open games= a bishop
    in tight spaces= a knight

  • @nelswolf
    @nelswolf Рік тому

    I always thought of it as first bishop has more value while second has less value

  • @hypnos3362
    @hypnos3362 Рік тому +3

    Think of it as a sword and shield.
    Their values are the same but later on, in some situations. The sword can come in clutch when you need a weapon. The shield can save block attacks and projectiles.
    Or in both cases, you block arrows with the shield until you reach the enemy archer with the sword.
    You can also do the same with the opposite weapons by cutting the arrows and bashing the enemy :V
    But everyone has their favorites.

  • @Tinskap
    @Tinskap Рік тому +2

    That was like a super good, straight forward and easy to understand explination tho

  • @campbellsmith403
    @campbellsmith403 Рік тому +1

    Someone is getting paid to add horse noises and explosion sounds over the video

  • @NumoNe101
    @NumoNe101 Рік тому

    myth been doing too much XQx impression he sounded like him at the end LMAO xD

  • @Dismiazs
    @Dismiazs Рік тому

    The short version is this.
    Both have the same 'value' as both are 3 pawns. With that being said, bishop are generally better at end game because the board are more opened. Hence why most strategy prefer maintaining bishop over knight.

  • @theahanna12345
    @theahanna12345 Рік тому

    I tend to evaluate it as the first bishop is worth 3.5 the second one is 3.0 because the bishop pair is so strong.

  • @NowherewithNate
    @NowherewithNate Рік тому

    Myth was telling his whole life story Lmao 😂

  • @Hammerage1
    @Hammerage1 Рік тому +1

    He should have opened up: They're the same value.
    And continued: However...

    • @FeRoOOo71
      @FeRoOOo71 Рік тому

      but they are not

    • @Hammerage1
      @Hammerage1 Рік тому

      @@FeRoOOo71 They essentially are. There are different scenarios where they excel, but exchanging a bishop for a knight is generally an equal trade. Especially at lower ratings.

  • @Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
    @Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Рік тому +10

    Yeah I was lost after "so certain cases" lmao I frowned so hard trying to understand I got a small headache🤣

    • @thishandleistaken1011
      @thishandleistaken1011 Рік тому

      Are you serious?

    • @Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
      @Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Рік тому

      @@thishandleistaken1011 yes. I have zero interest in chess, so trying to force myself to understand something as boring as that gives me headaches.

    • @thishandleistaken1011
      @thishandleistaken1011 Рік тому

      @@Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii I don't have any interest in chess either, but what he said wasn't anything hard to understand.

    • @Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
      @Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Рік тому

      @@thishandleistaken1011 for me it was. Just because you don't find it complicated doesn't mean everyone else find it easy to understand.

  • @zionthedon7745
    @zionthedon7745 Рік тому

    That was a solid attempt to explain though

  • @9181shreyasbhatt
    @9181shreyasbhatt Рік тому

    In the end, they have the same value

  • @ryanholloway165
    @ryanholloway165 Рік тому

    She was following along until the brain was required 😂

  • @cualsyx
    @cualsyx Рік тому

    She’s like: I’ve heard politicians give less convoluted answers.

  • @gluten1221
    @gluten1221 Рік тому

    Basically he was saying they start the same then you pick one over the other based on ur main strategy

  • @slyme61
    @slyme61 Рік тому

    I zoned out so quickly I was so confused

  • @BrandonStrugy
    @BrandonStrugy Рік тому +1

    Rachell is so effing adorable

  • @mrmunch9787
    @mrmunch9787 Рік тому

    myth was trolling without even trying to

  • @tibbar7459
    @tibbar7459 Рік тому

    Simple way to put it, if there are pawns closing the center then the knight is better but if there’s no pawns in the center then bishop is better
    (usually it’s open so bishop is usually better)

  • @Hundura
    @Hundura Рік тому

    Yeah towards the end of the game the knight will be slightly more valuable because each bishop can only stay on one color. So if your opponent has only one bishop left you can essentially completely avoid it.

  • @elijah8970
    @elijah8970 Рік тому

    The best short & sweet answer for a beginner: the bishops have better range but the knights are sneakier. At the beginning, don’t trade bishops for knights as a general rule of thumb

  • @miniaturegoon6140
    @miniaturegoon6140 Рік тому

    knight is always more valuable its abilty to fork peices is second to none

  • @AlgorithmDG
    @AlgorithmDG Рік тому

    They're equal until they're not.

  • @Unknown4214
    @Unknown4214 Рік тому

    Basically they are on the same value but depending the situation a piece could become more valuable

  • @vectorvictor6181
    @vectorvictor6181 Рік тому

    Open position=bishop more valuable
    Closed=Knight

  • @joemanco1075
    @joemanco1075 Рік тому +2

    That was actually a great explanation. She's probably just just needs the visual like I did

  • @BlakeJob9
    @BlakeJob9 Рік тому

    Closed positions/early - horse, open positions/late - bishop. I believe Bobby Fischer originally pointed out that the bishop should be valued slightly higher

  • @MrDTH-zs7fd
    @MrDTH-zs7fd Рік тому

    Id say the knight is more important early game since the board can get really clumped and the knight has huge advantages there, the bishop is more important late game when there is more freedom to move

  • @Metalhead_i..i
    @Metalhead_i..i Рік тому

    That's why i only watched queen's gambit for its drama and not chess.

  • @wilheim9710
    @wilheim9710 Рік тому

    Myth is giving a good lesson

  • @meriamvillajos5421
    @meriamvillajos5421 Рік тому

    Ok lets start a war...
    Bishop has more value than the horse

  • @deidara_8598
    @deidara_8598 Рік тому

    They're the same value, but horses are better at navigating in tight positions while bishops are better in open positions with few pieces. The bishop is considered to generally be worth slightly more than the horse, but it depends on the position. Usually you don't want to trade your bishop pair as it becomes really strong and dangerous in the end stages of the game.

  • @jaybestnz
    @jaybestnz Рік тому +1

    You're doing well. It's normal to find some parts confusing but it's worth pushing through.

  • @mazi_thoughts
    @mazi_thoughts Рік тому

    “I was following along until you started talking about intergalactic quantum loop particulates”

  • @eFOOTBALLers258
    @eFOOTBALLers258 Рік тому

    her brain: ksuwtwvxlwoo17w6sv2oq8a6xh2
    the dude: yeah it means they have the same value.

  • @spawnof_s8n3
    @spawnof_s8n3 Рік тому

    In short terms, they have the same value but with different ways of going about it

  • @digirogue6820
    @digirogue6820 Рік тому

    They're considered the same value. Bishops become more valuable if pawns get traded off, knights more valuable if pawns stay on the board

  • @alejandrocabrera541
    @alejandrocabrera541 Рік тому

    In general knights are useful in close positions and bishops are good in open positions

  • @kerzenwachss
    @kerzenwachss Рік тому

    Bishop usually in endgame

  • @Geozuks
    @Geozuks Рік тому

    Technically both have the same value (3 points) but analysis with computers have shown that the bishop tends to be more valuable in more games

  • @ZoroCOPS
    @ZoroCOPS Рік тому

    Bishop good start game
    Horse good end game

  • @RvvN94
    @RvvN94 Рік тому

    Bishop pair is considered more valuable than two horses

  • @processrauwill7922
    @processrauwill7922 Рік тому

    General rule of thumb is if the game is open bishop is better if the game is closed knight is better

  • @Gavesplat
    @Gavesplat Рік тому

    What i use is if the bishop provides more value then their knight.

  • @jikill7586
    @jikill7586 Рік тому

    myth got so excited about the whole horse and bishop thing but it was too confusing lmao

  • @shehbazkha31
    @shehbazkha31 Рік тому

    Knight is a short range piece and bishop is a long range piece, now it simply depends on what your playing style is.

  • @saadbhatti6877
    @saadbhatti6877 Рік тому

    If it's an open game, a bishop is usually superior than a horsey but if it's a closed game, a knight can be really tricky and superior as bishops can't really attack or move in closed positions. Almost both of them have the value of 3, but computers have concluded that a bishop is slightly better than a knight.

  • @whatisthat7874
    @whatisthat7874 Рік тому +4

    I play a decent amount of chess and his explanation is confusing, too. I think it’s because he kept going back and forth with it, but I do get the part that he said it depends on situations, which apply pretty much to every piece. Early on The knight is highly valuable for setting up your board since it can be moves right away, but you should try and make a valuable trade with the knight, as I think bishop is a lot more useful for setting checkmating later on since there will be less pieces . Late game, early game kinda things. Regardless, legendary players sometimes even sacrifice the queen right away so…

    • @uhmz1212
      @uhmz1212 Рік тому

      At the end of the day they are equal 😁 like you said they both have pros and cons. In speed chess a knight can really throw you off and have you blunder more easily. Example a bishop has one colour so dont step on dark squares can be a easy tactic avoiding pieces getting blundered. Yet with knights you could get forked. But the power of holding a diagonal and such is great. Again pros and cons on both ends. So saying its equal is the best way to go about it.
      In debt a bishop can be as usefull as a pawn. A rook valued higher could be useless and often they are as often people dont even get to a position to use them. Pawns are underrated in a sense causing them to be mvps in many games.

  • @kdafwwfw
    @kdafwwfw Рік тому +1

    Me explaining stuff to my wife 😂

  • @ArchMannarino
    @ArchMannarino Рік тому

    There's something like a few engines see horses as 2.999.. and bishops as 3.0001.. so you tell me which is better, purely situational and tactical imo.

  • @disways8068
    @disways8068 Рік тому

    To me , never trade your bishop for a knight UNLESS it damages the pawn structure

  • @Name-nq7tj
    @Name-nq7tj 10 місяців тому

    I think it's basically just knowing when bishops are weak. They are weak when they are forced into positions when they are locked down and basically become pawns where knights are almost impossible to completely lock down so in the same spot they are stronger.
    This is why in lower elo knights are usually better because there openings are typically bad and the bishops get into bad spots and don't really ever join the game where in higher elo's the openings are known well enough that the bishops are usually guarenteed to have good spots.

  • @frednimzowi9852
    @frednimzowi9852 Рік тому

    It's called a knight. I usually slightly prefer the knight in the opening, as long a there are pawns in the 4 central squares. The more pieces and pawns are exchanged, the more the bishop gains in value because the relative emptiness increases its mobility. The exception being endgames with pawns on 1 side only where the ability of the knight to jump over our and the opponent's pieces and pawns makes it the better minor piece.

  • @KevinBelmontLuna
    @KevinBelmontLuna 9 місяців тому

    This Bish(op), lost me! -Valkyrae

  • @nosson77
    @nosson77 Рік тому

    Knightes better at the beginning, bishop is better at the end. But it's a small difference. There you go.

  • @Fella_friend
    @Fella_friend Рік тому

    Really easy way to figure it out. If your bishop has a nice post where it can attack well it’s more valuable. If your pawns shut down a bishop the knights more valuable. The longer the game the more likely the bishop is more valuable

  • @sentinell4873
    @sentinell4873 Рік тому

    Myth keeps rambling on and on
    Rae: "I just want to know if I can trade my bishop with the knight."

  • @tobi-b
    @tobi-b Рік тому

    the explanation was really good

  • @eve_______
    @eve_______ Рік тому +1

    Wym lost, he explained it as simple as possible

  • @derekcavin8714
    @derekcavin8714 Рік тому

    Honestly I think he explained it perfectly.

  • @shadeoclutch807
    @shadeoclutch807 Рік тому

    when you are a science student so you are used to making smaller answers large as ****

  • @ImprovePath
    @ImprovePath Рік тому

    simple thing. In closed position, knights are best and in open positions, Bishops are best.

  • @terrencerock3535
    @terrencerock3535 Рік тому

    Bishops normally worth more

  • @epicsensi
    @epicsensi Рік тому

    Knights are more valuable than took IMHO. they have unique movement that cannot be blocked

  • @theeeryteacher6417
    @theeeryteacher6417 Рік тому

    Bishops can cover more board in a single turn which makes them better to have late game because it makes it easier to trap them into check mate the knight can also help but not as much in my opinion

  • @whiskeySe7en
    @whiskeySe7en Рік тому

    Man's really didn't understand the assignment lmao

  • @anti-religion2561
    @anti-religion2561 Рік тому

    It actually depends on the situation

  • @internationalinvestigation4544

    The way he says "move" is soo hilarious

  • @kr4ken.
    @kr4ken. Рік тому

    Myth will forever be a nerd dam i miss him in the old days. By old days a few years back

  • @jacobsmith-hi6ey
    @jacobsmith-hi6ey Рік тому

    TBH it's the strategists mentality that makes the value of the piece. I've played people who love their knights but I'm a bishop player.

  • @noknowncomorbidities
    @noknowncomorbidities Рік тому

    But a knight can make unpredictable moves, especially in a blitz.😂