We had six CNC machines up for sale. All six are presented in the video, pricing is no longer valid, I might consider offers, but more likely I will just keep them.
The shipping is expensive everywhere so, My main focus is on Alaska, or maybe Yukon territories, as some people may have contacts to trucking firms that will ship at good pricing. My price is not market driven, nor out of necessity, it is pricing that work for Me, and allows others an opportunity, if it works for them. My necessity is for more room, I will move them out, most likely into cold, damp sad, storage.
As a toolmaker here in Germany, I leard and worked on a lot of the exact same machines. I could definitely help you with some of them. I hope someone is gonna get them to work again, espacially the Mahos with the Philips 423 are great machines. The Agiecut are incredibly accurate EDM machines.
My gosh the shop is filled with boat anchors. I've gone down a few dead end roads in the past myself but with old cnc machines I've bought for less than scrap value (and most have functioned). I'm afraid there won't be any brave souls who want them. There are newer and nicer (and lower cost) machines on facebook marketplace that linger for years. I think you'll enjoy getting a big chunk of your shop back when you move them out. Would really like to see a retrofit video series tho!
When you purchase CNC's, a service agreement is essential. Batteries, lightning strikes, crashes, power supplies, normal wear and tear. A qualified service technician, can save a lot of headaches. We took care of most of the mechanical ourselves. Put a service contact, saved time and money, in the long run. Turning them off, for extended periods, and you just might wish you had turned it on, once a week. Simple production CNC machines, with multiple pallets, are cheap and easy on the operator. I have made a few AR's myself. I have had the investment castings and the 80% receivers. Paid about four times as much for the 80% receivers, but far less machining. Manual mills only. If I had a CNC, I would definitely save some money, and cash in the chips. Would even consider billets.
I enjoyed the video even though I'm not in the market for CNC machines. But I want to comment on the manual vs CNC comment - I work for a fairly decent sized fabrication and machine shop, and I was just having a conversation yesterday about how we really don't make enough use of our manual machining capabilities. In the hands of good machinisist's they can turn certain types of work out more cost effectively than the CNC stuff - freeing up the CNC's for what they do best. It's all about understanding the capabilities of each.
The EMCOs are gonna be great machines for anyone with the know how to run them. Ran both a basic 2007 E65 and a 2018 E65MX (subspindle version), E65s being essentially the same machines as the older 365s, at my first job after graduating. Rigid machines, easy to align spindles and turrets, easy to service and mostly good ergonomics (mostly good since some functions required two hands on the controls due to occupational health and safety regulations which made some specialty operations awkward). Only negative thing i have to say about them is that the coolant tanks somehow only spill over behind the machine, so if your sight glass isn't transparent anymore or is clogged the only way you'll know that you've overfilled the tank is by watching for a pool of coolant behind the machine and even then it take 2-3 minutes for the coolant to flow out from under the machine. Learned that the hard way 2-3 times 😂
Download the firmware from all units onto a flash drive and tire it on the machine prior to putting outside just in case those batteries die so you can bring them back if needed
I have a 1994 Cincinnati Arrow 500 that I've nursed along. Bought it 15 years ago for less than $5k. The Control Techniques CNC control is not popular, but I have no issues with it. Battery died on it a few years back. Fortunately I had copied the software from the machine when I first got it and managed to reload the control. Got a really old laptop running Windows 98 and MS DOS 6.22 with a serial port. It helps that I'm a computer consultant now. I have one spare Emerson CT X/Y axis drive. If anything else goes, it's a paperweight unless I spring for a motion control upgrade. What a shame. Good luck getting the EMCO control reloaded.
There are a lot of shops running 20-30 year old CNC machines without much problem. Ive seen some 1980s okumas are still pounding out good parts every day. It amazes me that you somehow have so many defective machines. You had some real bad luck...
i had flash backs on the okuma howa, my boss bought one(hl-25) in the same state. after all the techs gave up on it because they couldn't get copies of the parameters and ladders, i sat down on a saturday and started hand punching in parameters, and i got it working, it took a couple passes and i had to call in a specialist to help with the pmc parameters, but it ran. a few months after i left i saw the machine listed for about 4 times what he paid for it and he made parts on it for a year, which probably paid for it a couple times over.
I run manual a lot. I also run cnc a lot. The only thing I might be faster on a Bridgeport then a cnc is hole drilling. We have a Trump with a Bridgeport style head/spindle. It’s kinda a combination of both it’s my favorite machine at a job shop.
Selling off machines that you’re not using just makes sense to me. In today’s world you could get a proper setup for a small scale production run just buying the right machine for the project when or if it is a needed one good machine will gladly replace them all for you. It’s definitely not a big deal to re tool and part of that is getting space ready
theyre junk my man. all these machines are dead and broken. thats why they were given to him and now hes trying to sell them tens of thousands of dollars each. none of these shit piles have run in decades.
I hate seeing old machinery getting tarped and sat outside, but CNC equipment gets outdated like computers have over the years, and support goes away or becomes extremely expensive. I'm more comfortable using manual machines anyway. No finicky encoders to get dirty. As long as the DRO works, we good!!! Can't wait to see what you fill the empty shop floor space with!! I hope you sell them, but something tells me y'all gonna be taking out the copper and scrapping the frames in 2-3 years.
It would be a nice youtube project for you to get one of those Maho's running, great machines, universal I think, accurate, I have seen older ones working, I dont think its a big problem with this MH.
Broke my heart when you said they'd be going outside under a tarp. Getting choked up thinking about it. #Edisonmotors I think they're in Manitoba. Anyone know how to let them know about this?
You might want to reach out to a machine repair shop i don't remember names of it though its in Roseville Michigan because they buy older cnc machines and also nc control machines used and refurbish them it on grossebeck highways in Roseville Michigan but they are always buyers of older dinnousur machines if thats of sny helps at all
This year it started end of September. Occasionally you'll get snow late August/early September, and there's almost always snow by halloween. It varies. -Cameraman
Yeah, I’m anti CNC 100% of the time and manual machines are a full time hobby.. but boy do I share your defeated commiseration. I just learn to do it faster on a manual. Lol. On the other hand there is a lot of good parts in them suckers !
@@Matt-jz7to I’m not hating on them, I just don’t want anything to do with them. I have parts cut on them all the time. It’s just nothing I want to invest my time into. I like running my manual machine’s it’s therapeutic and relaxing for me. I like the operation of it, I like planning and calculating tool paths and cutting speeds, the feel of a sharp HSS end mill cutting into a block of steel is a feel you learn over reputations. There will always be a need for manual machinery. You can’t do everything on a CNC machine. Some stuff just isn’t worth the time and effort to write the program for. But you have to understand, I’m an old fart, I mainly just do “job shop” type one off work. There is simply no reasonable need for me to own or learn how to operate a CNC machine. I went to school for machine tool and die, we did get into the CNC machines and just didn’t enjoy it. But I’m not arguing one bit that it is the future, and the future is now, it’s here. I’m happy about too. Just look at all the cheap manual machines on the market now ! 😁
@@jasonhull5712 So you're "anti CNC" but happy for others to do the work on CNC for you. Ok got it. I spent the last 15 years as a manual machinist but moved into CNC a year ago and it's the best move ive ever made professionally
@@Matt-jz7to that’s a good thing. It’s the guys like you who transition from manual to CNC that will improve the process and efficiency of the CNC processing. I really appreciate folks such as yourself who took on the challenge and was open minded enough to take the plunge. Me personally I’m simply not willing to invest the time or the date storage in my little brain to take it on. I love machining, this might make you upset but I also enjoy watching the CNC cut after the program has been completed also.. I just don’t have any interest at all in making the programing or writing it. And I’m 100% against those who say there is not a need for manual machining. Just look at all the jobs that’s turned down as “too small of a production run” and all the one off jobs that are impractical to perform on a CNC. Not to mention how much manual machining aids in CNC. I’ve personally seen three different shops take the plunge on CNC. ( one of them I was personally involved in and was helping to push it ) they Bought the machine, invested in all the tooling and hardware and software only to have it collect dust because they didn’t have enough CNC machines to get the bigger jobs, and didn’t have the training or trained technical experienced operators to effectively run it. They are now out of business and bankrupt. I spent 6 years of my life there and wanted so badly to see them succeed. So yeah, I have a bad taste in my mouth on CNC but I don’t disagree that it is definitely the future. However so is manual machining ( just probably not in this country) which is sad either way you look at it. I believe that if you’re a shop starting up as a CNC machine shop your chances are better than if you’re a small manual machine shop looking to transition to or even just add CNC machines. If you’re in this industry then you have to admit the shortage of programmers and in some instances even set up or operators. It’s a very common challenge. Which is why I am happy for guys like you. So thanks for taking opportunity. Just don’t ask me to transition. And no, the industry isn’t going to force me too either. There will always be a manual machine shop, even if only in my garage For hobby. Lol.
@@scottjones7279that's the best weather forecast, look what's happening in Canada and you'll know what its gonna be like in a week or two in the northern US
I've never seen anyone successfully buy an old CNC machine of any kind and have great luck with it. I'm sure some guys can work through the issues. In order to do you need have either some unique skills, or allot of free time, or maybe both...
Yeah, usually the way it goes is a used dealer buys it and a professional electronics person works on it, gives it a makeover with more memory and new capacitors and sells it for twice what they have into it. Like machining it's slow and skilled work, so twice the price of materials is a deal.
all of these are woefully outdated.. and without software for most and the mfg ignoring requests if its not on the archives good luck getting any to work... sad but man.. if this was a blind bulk buy DO NOT do that again holy shit.. i hope these made some money
The shipping is going to be the killer on these - if someone is interested locally, or maybe in the Yukon or Northern BC somewhere. I adopted an old crotchety CNC milling machine, and while it was cheap, it's been quite the project to get it back into good condition again. Luckily I have a particular set of skills where the electronics are actually the easy part for me... the mechanics of working on a large VMC by one person in a 2 car garage though... that's the tricky part. Basically every thing you do needs two people, and an engine hoist! I think the lightest part I've removed and replaced on the machine is 600lb!
Also, the pricing seems really high! A old CNC lathe usually $5k in running condition. Any machine that's not functional, usually sells for $1500 - $2000. Maybe there's quite the "Alaska Premium" on these, but generally, they don't seem priced correctly at all compared to what I see on the West Coast, which is already stupidly expensive for all this kind of stuff
Prices for everything are a lot higher in AK. It does not really matter what similar things cost in the lower 48. The main factor is shipping from/to the lower 48, and is a significant additional expense added to any base value. Even at the asking prices, Howe is taking a major loss on the machines @@gorak9000
Alaska's a whole different market. A usable 5 axis machine in AK is gonna have a $20k or $30k premium on the price. And if you can buy the thing for $8k fix some simple electrics for $1k-$2k, then your looking at a machine worth $50k.
Dude runs a failing business and thinks you dont need cnc machines to make parts. Yeah, got it dude. Seems like you do industrial rework, not a parts shop.
The shipping is expensive everywhere so, My main focus is on Alaska, or maybe Yukon territories, as some people may have contacts to trucking firms that will ship at good pricing.
My price is not market driven, nor out of necessity, it is pricing that work for Me, and allows others an opportunity, if it works for them.
My necessity is for more room, I will move them out, most likely into cold, damp sad, storage.
As a toolmaker here in Germany, I leard and worked on a lot of the exact same machines. I could definitely help you with some of them. I hope someone is gonna get them to work again, espacially the Mahos with the Philips 423 are great machines. The Agiecut are incredibly accurate EDM machines.
Ich träum davon irgendwann ne kleine 5 Achs zu haben aber Platz zum unterstellen ist immer das Thema 😂
I hope they see your comment!
He is in fox Alaska, im sure he would let you look at them as soon as you knock on the shop door
Centroid controllers are super underrated. Extremely affordable, reliable, user friendly. I’ve made a small cnc lathe using their 300$ controller.
My gosh the shop is filled with boat anchors. I've gone down a few dead end roads in the past myself but with old cnc machines I've bought for less than scrap value (and most have functioned). I'm afraid there won't be any brave souls who want them. There are newer and nicer (and lower cost) machines on facebook marketplace that linger for years. I think you'll enjoy getting a big chunk of your shop back when you move them out. Would really like to see a retrofit video series tho!
The pricing looked super expensive to me
When you purchase CNC's, a service agreement is essential. Batteries, lightning strikes, crashes, power supplies, normal wear and tear. A qualified service technician, can save a lot of headaches. We took care of most of the mechanical ourselves. Put a service contact, saved time and money, in the long run. Turning them off, for extended periods, and you just might wish you had turned it on, once a week. Simple production CNC machines, with multiple pallets, are cheap and easy on the operator. I have made a few AR's myself. I have had the investment castings and the 80% receivers. Paid about four times as much for the 80% receivers, but far less machining. Manual mills only. If I had a CNC, I would definitely save some money, and cash in the chips. Would even consider billets.
I enjoyed the video even though I'm not in the market for CNC machines. But I want to comment on the manual vs CNC comment - I work for a fairly decent sized fabrication and machine shop, and I was just having a conversation yesterday about how we really don't make enough use of our manual machining capabilities. In the hands of good machinisist's they can turn certain types of work out more cost effectively than the CNC stuff - freeing up the CNC's for what they do best. It's all about understanding the capabilities of each.
The EMCOs are gonna be great machines for anyone with the know how to run them. Ran both a basic 2007 E65 and a 2018 E65MX (subspindle version), E65s being essentially the same machines as the older 365s, at my first job after graduating.
Rigid machines, easy to align spindles and turrets, easy to service and mostly good ergonomics (mostly good since some functions required two hands on the controls due to occupational health and safety regulations which made some specialty operations awkward).
Only negative thing i have to say about them is that the coolant tanks somehow only spill over behind the machine, so if your sight glass isn't transparent anymore or is clogged the only way you'll know that you've overfilled the tank is by watching for a pool of coolant behind the machine and even then it take 2-3 minutes for the coolant to flow out from under the machine. Learned that the hard way 2-3 times 😂
I would open the back panel & look directly at the level when I used this machine, yes I spilled coolant at first too.
Download the firmware from all units onto a flash drive and tire it on the machine prior to putting outside just in case those batteries die so you can bring them back if needed
the batteries are already dead on all those machines.
@@DieselRamcharger The dead batteries are the wooden stake for these machines.
You have a wealth of knowledge I really enjoy your channel
I have a 1994 Cincinnati Arrow 500 that I've nursed along. Bought it 15 years ago for less than $5k. The Control Techniques CNC control is not popular, but I have no issues with it. Battery died on it a few years back. Fortunately I had copied the software from the machine when I first got it and managed to reload the control. Got a really old laptop running Windows 98 and MS DOS 6.22 with a serial port. It helps that I'm a computer consultant now. I have one spare Emerson CT X/Y axis drive. If anything else goes, it's a paperweight unless I spring for a motion control upgrade. What a shame. Good luck getting the EMCO control reloaded.
There are a lot of shops running 20-30 year old CNC machines without much problem. Ive seen some 1980s okumas are still pounding out good parts every day. It amazes me that you somehow have so many defective machines. You had some real bad luck...
i had flash backs on the okuma howa, my boss bought one(hl-25) in the same state. after all the techs gave up on it because they couldn't get copies of the parameters and ladders, i sat down on a saturday and started hand punching in parameters, and i got it working, it took a couple passes and i had to call in a specialist to help with the pmc parameters, but it ran. a few months after i left i saw the machine listed for about 4 times what he paid for it and he made parts on it for a year, which probably paid for it a couple times over.
I run manual a lot. I also run cnc a lot. The only thing I might be faster on a Bridgeport then a cnc is hole drilling. We have a Trump with a Bridgeport style head/spindle. It’s kinda a combination of both it’s my favorite machine at a job shop.
Selling off machines that you’re not using just makes sense to me. In today’s world you could get a proper setup for a small scale production run just buying the right machine for the project when or if it is a needed one good machine will gladly replace them all for you. It’s definitely not a big deal to re tool and part of that is getting space ready
2 5 axis machines for $13,000! Wish I lived over there.
theyre junk my man. all these machines are dead and broken. thats why they were given to him and now hes trying to sell them tens of thousands of dollars each. none of these shit piles have run in decades.
Alaska is looking for decent people
2 faulty and not working machines for 13k actually!
I hate seeing old machinery getting tarped and sat outside, but CNC equipment gets outdated like computers have over the years, and support goes away or becomes extremely expensive.
I'm more comfortable using manual machines anyway. No finicky encoders to get dirty.
As long as the DRO works, we good!!!
Can't wait to see what you fill the empty shop floor space with!!
I hope you sell them, but something tells me y'all gonna be taking out the copper and scrapping the frames in 2-3 years.
It would be a nice youtube project for you to get one of those Maho's running, great machines, universal I think, accurate, I have seen older ones working, I dont think its a big problem with this MH.
Broke my heart when you said they'd be going outside under a tarp. Getting choked up thinking about it.
#Edisonmotors
I think they're in Manitoba. Anyone know how to let them know about this?
Manitoba is a very expensive truck ride away from Alaska - probably wouldn't be worth it trucking any of that stuff down to Winterpeg
He is in bc
BC@@Sicktrickintuner
Thanks for the video.
You might want to reach out to a machine repair shop i don't remember names of it though its in Roseville Michigan because they buy older cnc machines and also nc control machines used and refurbish them it on grossebeck highways in Roseville Michigan but they are always buyers of older dinnousur machines if thats of sny helps at all
Are you aware what it takes and costs to move that much weight that far? IT’s would not be worth the shipping
Snowing already? 70° in New York
It's not already a lot further north.
Hello all. Question I see you already have snow on ground. When does the snow start coming in up their by you. Chris
This year it started end of September. Occasionally you'll get snow late August/early September, and there's almost always snow by halloween. It varies.
-Cameraman
multifix?
Prices are not awful.
something tells me... your gonna have a hard time selling those
Especially given the price / condition! Yikes
Exactly. I mean not one of them works 100% it sounds like.
Yeah, I’m anti CNC 100% of the time and manual machines are a full time hobby.. but boy do I share your defeated commiseration.
I just learn to do it faster on a manual. Lol.
On the other hand there is a lot of good parts in them suckers !
Why hate on something you know nothing about. CNC's are the future
@@Matt-jz7to I’m not hating on them, I just don’t want anything to do with them. I have parts cut on them all the time. It’s just nothing I want to invest my time into. I like running my manual machine’s it’s therapeutic and relaxing for me. I like the operation of it, I like planning and calculating tool paths and cutting speeds, the feel of a sharp HSS end mill cutting into a block of steel is a feel you learn over reputations. There will always be a need for manual machinery. You can’t do everything on a CNC machine. Some stuff just isn’t worth the time and effort to write the program for. But you have to understand, I’m an old fart, I mainly just do “job shop” type one off work. There is simply no reasonable need for me to own or learn how to operate a CNC machine.
I went to school for machine tool and die, we did get into the CNC machines and just didn’t enjoy it. But I’m not arguing one bit that it is the future, and the future is now, it’s here. I’m happy about too. Just look at all the cheap manual machines on the market now ! 😁
@@jasonhull5712 So you're "anti CNC" but happy for others to do the work on CNC for you. Ok got it. I spent the last 15 years as a manual machinist but moved into CNC a year ago and it's the best move ive ever made professionally
@@Matt-jz7to that’s a good thing. It’s the guys like you who transition from manual to CNC that will improve the process and efficiency of the CNC processing. I really appreciate folks such as yourself who took on the challenge and was open minded enough to take the plunge. Me personally I’m simply not willing to invest the time or the date storage in my little brain to take it on. I love machining, this might make you upset but I also enjoy watching the CNC cut after the program has been completed also.. I just don’t have any interest at all in making the programing or writing it.
And I’m 100% against those who say there is not a need for manual machining.
Just look at all the jobs that’s turned down as “too small of a production run” and all the one off jobs that are impractical to perform on a CNC.
Not to mention how much manual machining aids in CNC.
I’ve personally seen three different shops take the plunge on CNC. ( one of them I was personally involved in and was helping to push it ) they Bought the machine, invested in all the tooling and hardware and software only to have it collect dust because they didn’t have enough CNC machines to get the bigger jobs, and didn’t have the training or trained technical experienced operators to effectively run it. They are now out of business and bankrupt. I spent 6 years of my life there and wanted so badly to see them succeed. So yeah, I have a bad taste in my mouth on CNC but I don’t disagree that it is definitely the future. However so is manual machining ( just probably not in this country) which is sad either way you look at it. I believe that if you’re a shop starting up as a CNC machine shop your chances are better than if you’re a small manual machine shop looking to transition to or even just add CNC machines. If you’re in this industry then you have to admit the shortage of programmers and in some instances even set up or operators. It’s a very common challenge. Which is why I am happy for guys like you. So thanks for taking opportunity.
Just don’t ask me to transition. And no, the industry isn’t going to force me too either. There will always be a manual machine shop, even if only in my garage
For hobby. Lol.
How old is the video? What is all of that white stuff outside? It is early October.😊
It gets icy early up in Beautiful Fairbanks Ak
@@25aspooner I am in Alabama and did not know and have never really thought about the temperature already dropping up there
2 days as of 10/09
@@scottjones7279that's the best weather forecast, look what's happening in Canada and you'll know what its gonna be like in a week or two in the northern US
I've never seen anyone successfully buy an old CNC machine of any kind and have great luck with it. I'm sure some guys can work through the issues. In order to do you need have either some unique skills, or allot of free time, or maybe both...
Yeah, usually the way it goes is a used dealer buys it and a professional electronics person works on it, gives it a makeover with more memory and new capacitors and sells it for twice what they have into it. Like machining it's slow and skilled work, so twice the price of materials is a deal.
The machines are to old to interest anyone anymore
Cnc machines are a risky choice,you can't reuse it without the computer which can be old and broken.
They make tons of aftermarket controls
all of these are woefully outdated.. and without software for most and the mfg ignoring requests if its not on the archives good luck getting any to work... sad but man.. if this was a blind bulk buy DO NOT do that again holy shit.. i hope these made some money
The shipping is going to be the killer on these - if someone is interested locally, or maybe in the Yukon or Northern BC somewhere. I adopted an old crotchety CNC milling machine, and while it was cheap, it's been quite the project to get it back into good condition again. Luckily I have a particular set of skills where the electronics are actually the easy part for me... the mechanics of working on a large VMC by one person in a 2 car garage though... that's the tricky part. Basically every thing you do needs two people, and an engine hoist! I think the lightest part I've removed and replaced on the machine is 600lb!
Also, the pricing seems really high! A old CNC lathe usually $5k in running condition. Any machine that's not functional, usually sells for $1500 - $2000. Maybe there's quite the "Alaska Premium" on these, but generally, they don't seem priced correctly at all compared to what I see on the West Coast, which is already stupidly expensive for all this kind of stuff
Prices for everything are a lot higher in AK. It does not really matter what similar things cost in the lower 48. The main factor is shipping from/to the lower 48, and is a significant additional expense added to any base value. Even at the asking prices, Howe is taking a major loss on the machines @@gorak9000
Hear me out. You give me one CNC and I will do any manufacturing you need as long as I can use the machine for personal projects also...
I wish so much I was a CNC wizard and could fix up your machines! You seem amazing to work with.
Youd be lucky to get 1000 per machine. 8k is not going to happen. On any planet in any reality.
Alaska's a whole different market.
A usable 5 axis machine in AK is gonna have a $20k or $30k premium on the price.
And if you can buy the thing for $8k fix some simple electrics for $1k-$2k, then your looking at a machine worth $50k.
@@kkknotcool you are pulling numbers randomly out of your ass.
Dude runs a failing business and thinks you dont need cnc machines to make parts. Yeah, got it dude. Seems like you do industrial rework, not a parts shop.
The guy spends more on utilities then I spend living.
What makes you think he's failing?
@@kkknotcool so having a gigantic overhead is success? you are a broke marxist i take it?
The business is not failing. I am just changing the direction, as to these machines, that are not currently paying their rent.
Obviously, you don't know what you are talking about. Talk about failing.
Not interested in your cnc machines but do you have compint