Jeanette Braun and Lauren The Mortician's Lawyer (Benjamin Lockyer) Has Ethical Issues Of His Own
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- Опубліковано 13 бер 2024
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I also want to note, the law firms that Lockyer worked on before seem to be entirely blameless in this: They are victims, not offenders.
Also, appears I was wrong on the law clerk thing--cultural distinction I missed.
The rest stands.
There is that client "consent/permission" for stating they are clients of a firm (or a specific attorney of that firm). I was in a job interview 100 years ago (non-lawyer), where the attorney wanted me to disclose who my firm's clients were and I stated I didn't have permission to disclose that. She was annoyed. I went on my way.
This is out of topic but I must ask: Have you made an episode on Quebec’s non-restricted firearms registry? If not I think that would be an interesting topic to understand what is going on in Quebec. How Quebec gouvernement was able to add a layer of control by sticking their nose into federal’s laws. How the Sureté du Québec have obtained even more power to conduct firearm seizures on non restricted and legally obtained firearms.
Question: do those former firms have an ethical obligation to inform their clients that their former employee breached confidentiality? Seems that they should, especially since you’ve made them aware.
you should have your own firm for lawyers where you vett their website and public presence for them you would make a lot of money owning a company like that.
Is it possible the "respresented" so and so was actually representing their estate for IP violations? I'm not a lawyer and don't know how that works but if someone was using their music, likeness, lyrics etc couldn't their estate sue for IP/copyright infringements? Lockyer is a terrible lawyer and absolutely shouldn't be disclosing his clients but maybe he should have said "Mac Miller's estate" or "Nipsy Hussle's estate". If so, he could have worked on cases for "them".
Runkle’s like, “hey Ben, here’s that attention you ordered” 💀💀💀
A shady, clout-chasing lawyer hires a shady, clout-chasing lawyer to represent her in a shady, clout-chasing lawsuit. Yep.
The trifecta!
What could possibly go wrong?
clout-chasing lawyers all the way down
Outcome may be cloudy ....
@@blunderchips What does it say about me that when I read this comment my brain went straight to the fate of Dead Meat in Hot Shots?
On the bright side, Benjamin Lockyer can now list Jeanette Braun and Lauren The Mortician as representative clients, as that fact is now widely known. All over the world, even.
😂
Laughing my ass off from Australia at this whole situation
Internationally renowned?
Denmark Europe her laughing my ass off :D
Ireland here and been laughing since the start 😂🤣
Can’t believe a lawyer thinks it’s cool to list off his previous clients on his website. 🤦♀️ It’s like a doctor listing his celebrity facelifts. Just no.
He also thinks it’s cool to ask his clients in court about the celebs they know to try to gain an upper hand.
I've done marketing for many lawyers in Oregon. I was well aware I couldn't use the term "specialist" or "expert" in any advertising. BIG NO NO.
What is the reasoning behind that? /genuine
@@madsfiedler3884 the bar association doesn't allow it. I assume because lawyers are held to a higher ethical standard, and since there is no standard for saying you're an expert, it's moot and not allowed.
"I specialise in getting companies out of white collar crime charges. Here's all the companies I've worked with!"
Yeah, I think I can see why that mght be a problem.
"Nit picking" refers to the process of painstakingly combing through your hair to remove nit - the larval form of lice. So once you have picked all the nits - you move onto the lice.
my hair is itchy after reading this
@@RedSinBand Oh my! It must be excruciatingly painful when you get a trim !!
@pigeonbusiness not a fun time when you’re 7 years old with waist length hair
I love this comment so much. I love hearing the origins of expressions.
Well, no. You get rid of the lice first and then the nits. The lice is easier to get rid of, so it's done before the tedium of combing through the hair with a nit comb and picking out the tiny eggs (nits).
Why does it not surprise me that Janet would have an apparently ethically challenged lawyer? Anything less would be a disappointment 😂
It makes sense because no reputable lawyer would have taken the case.
It's amazing to think that Geralt of Rivia retired, and became a lawyer calling himself Runkle like we wouldn't see the resemblance.
"The lawyer she deserves" I screamed at the shade
this is EXACTLY the kind of lawyer that would file such a poorly plead lawsuit
Or at least willing to be counsel of record on a poorly plead case someone else wrote the majority of.
I'm an Australian lawyer and looked him up when his name was first revealed as Janet's attorney. I was horrified but assumed the professional standards/Rules in Illinois were completely different and didn't have time to look further into it. I appreciate this video. You'd be in big strife for this in Australia too :)
Former Chicago paralegal here. This is horrifying! Whether you're a paralegal or attorney, you have to take a substantial amount of classes and / or course work in the ethical rules for IL. I took a 16 week course and still signed a (although non-binding) oath with my school to maintain legal ethical standards; especially confidentiality. What is this kid doing? While he did work as an attorneys general for about 4 years, that is not nearly enough time to build a book of clients to open your own shop. Also, how would companies like Crayola and Von Dutch *be* clients, if he was an attorneys general? The client is the State of Illinois!
You don't want a criminal lawyer. You want a _criminal_ lawyer
Does Benny Lockyear have a professional obligation to report himself to the Illinois Bar Assn to self-snitch on his many ethical violations and how he has remedied them?
I feel like, as a lawyer in illinois, he has an obligation to report any risk he may represent to others.
Yes
Take a shot everytime Janet and her team have made him say “well that’s a problem 😂”
Love the in-depth analysis
How did this guy work with Nipsey Hussle, who died in 2019, or Mac Miller, who died in 2018??? Working with an estate is NOT the same as working WITH said person. That is improper in and of itself...
Edit: I wrote this before I got to that part of the video of course Runkle would do his research.
Lol. I did same thing!
Dead people can't consent but how appropriate that he has represented LTM as well as dead rappers. If only the tiktok psychic had know of his "expertise"
Ben: I'll put Nipsy down.
Friend: But he died before you were a lawyer.
Ben: Great! Then he can't say I never represented him!
Did Lauren the Mortician hook him up to his ‘clients’
@@sionnach3104 Haha! It took me a few seconds. Good one!
Kinda makes me wonder if Nipsey or Mac's estates could sue. It's Breach of confidence if he did represent them, but what if he never did?
Sounds like Janet got herself a "criminal" lawyer, lol.
And it isn't Bruce Rivers.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
@@user-gl5dq2dg1jI was going to go with Rudy Giuliani 🤷♂️
@@jeffallan3140Hahaha, Bruce Rivers is a criminal lawyer, as in he is a defense attorney. And neither Janet nor Rudy have enough money for his services for being such bad clients.
This has only been up an hour and Ben has already yanked half of that maison mogul page.
I just checked it and omg he's so dumb he edited it to say Ben's work has included representing and working with brands hahah
It was actually edited before the video went up. I sent him a request for commentary, and suddenly the page is scrubbed.
@@RunkleOfTheBaileyAnd you in fact covered that a few minutes later! What a guy Ben is.
"It may sound like I'm nitpicking."
Yeah, Of course it does. The law is a nit-picking field. It's those little tiny subtle nits in the law that change everything. Back of an oxford comma costing millions of dollars to the difference between shall and May, the law is a nit picky endeavor.
I'm shocked. Shocked! Well… not that shocked.
“Normally in order to represent somebody, you have to have that overlap of them being alive, and you being a lawyer” had me laughing so hard 😂
Why does the name Benjamin Lockyer sound like the name of a lawyer that might show up in A Series of Unfortunate Events?
You know, I may just like this Canadian Witcher that specializes in criminal and firearms law. Subscribed.
Makes me question Jeanette Braun even more, as a lawyer shouldn't she know better?
Then again...🤔
I think they went to the same law school…
At this point it's looking like Jeanette Braun is a third rail for careers. Any career that touches her is at great risk of dying.
I think it's more of a dowsing situation. She's attracted to people who're getting ready to lick the third rail all on their own
This may be the most apt thing said about this whole fiasco.
I love that you gave him the opportunity to respond and he had a wee panic.
I thought you were a respectable lawyer, but it turns out you’re also an exceptional journalist.
Thanks for the good work 🫡
Well, Runkle, if you weren't on their radar before, you certainly are now!
Can a person enjoy something too much? The Janet clownshow is the best show on earth.
I can't get enough of this story, it's a bottomless well of entertainment. I'm just going to justify it based on the fact that I'm learning a lot about the law. It's educational!
I also highly enjoyed the one with the lawyer who tried to sue over her lost view as a sovereign citizen and lost her license to practice law.
@@jayman912 That case was hilarious!
@@_Kittensworth It's hard to believe it's a true story! ha!
Enjoying something too much, I think that would be an addiction. You're addicted to Janet !!
18:32 just a quick point of clarification: some firms/government agencies in the US use “law clerk” for law students or JDs working essentially in quasi-lawyer roles, like summer associate positions and intern-type positions. the summer after my 2nd year, I had a summer associate job with a law firm that called us “law clerks.” my current firm also has a “law clerk” who is a law school grad waiting on bar results. it is definitely not super common though.
He was listed as a 711 Law Clerk at the AG's office on his LinkedIn.
@@helenllama right… like I said, some government agencies use the term “law clerk.”
Did Jeanette and Ben go to the same law school or do I remember that wrong? Maybe the school needs investigating. 🤔
Yes, they did, and it already has a not-so-great reputation in comparison to the other law schools available.
@@brendaleelydon-carpenter1554incorrect. JMLS had a great reputation before it became UIC law
I imagine high profile clients don't usually take kind to having their name dropped, celebrity lawyers usually build their reputation through word of mouth and media coverage.
The lolsuit just keeps on delivering
As a person who’s had violent deaths in their family, I hate to see LTM use the horrible ways people pass away without their families permission. Profiting off of another’s trauma is vile and disgusting
Same. My cousin had a disfiguring injury from the violence that killed him, and his body was in really bad shape when he was found deceased. I'm ok talking about it now, but if I ever saw someone talking about his body the way LTM speaks about the people she's worked on, I'd be really upset.
Is anyone on that side of the fence not an absolute sh*t show?
This is exactly what I needed after multiple hours of delays, and a missed flight today.
oh no, good luck!!
@@madsfiedler3884Thanks! I finally made it home about 4 hours after I was originally supposed to be home. 😴
I went on his website as soon as we knew about him and as a non-lawyer I took away that there was a lot of clients but nothing about what he actually did for them. Why would I care who he worked for if I don't know if what he did was relevant for me?
Jesus Crust, even I (who is not a lawyer) understand confidentiality
I would argue "specializing in" something indicates your focus rather than being a "specialist in" something. But it does fly a bit close to the sun.
I am sure all clients gave informed consent. Even the dead ones.
He looks like he's 12 and he's going to sink his career taking on these two clowns
That's what happens when you wrongfully accuse and antagonize a bunch of people on the internet with large followings, all of a sudden everything you do will be open to scrutiny. Particularly because their case is intended to silence/censor people, it tends to just amplify the response.
Guy sounds special, just not the special he thinks he is.
You pay a lawyer to provide a service, not to become a liability.
I worked in marketing for law firms for 12 years, and learned right away - do not use the words "specialized" or "specialist"!!!
Absulutly beautiful. This lawsuit just keeps getting more and more fun. streisand effect in full swing.
Robert S. Freund's "Representative Experience" is not only more ethical, but as a layperson it sounds a hell of a lot more PROFESSIONAL! These lawyers, Lockyer & Braun, sure are birds of a feather. It sounds like Lockyer's pro-bono taking of this case is going to cost him a lot more than just travel, time, & what he seems to call "effort".
I'm not a lawyer, the first thing I did was look at his website. I took away that he would do anything you would pay him to do
I'm not shocked _this_ is who Janet got to represent them
It reminds me of the interview I read that Janet did with the Chicago Bar Association, talking about how she'd been an expert in whatever field for 25 years... when she was in her 30s. She hung out at her mom's work after school and decided that meant she was working there? Idk. She also talked about how she started her own law firm because she couldn't get hired after law school. She also dropped a lot of names in terms like "and I shard a cubicle with this fancy guy"
Just a heads up, a lot of US firms use the “Clerk” title to refer to law students who have completed sufficient credits to do work under a lawyer’s signature. Same title, but very different position to the clerks in US courtrooms.
Sounds like they hired someone of their own caliber.
I have a friend who holds the point of view that attorneys tend to have clients who are like them personality and morality-wise and visa-versa. The more I watch "LawTube" vidoes, the more I think she's right.
Have we slipped through a dimensional rift into clown world? Mind blowingly bad.
I suspect that happened some time ago. It would explain so much.
Why am I surprised that he’s a baby lawyer? I assumed he was older and had experience to manage this sh!tshow he signed up for. Turns out he’s so new and clueless he doesn’t know to be extra cautious and consult with senior people
In the US law firms have law clerks and it is typically a law student (slightly lower than a summer associate position). What you are thinking of is a judicial clerk here.
Wow, you beat me to it
It is possible that Ben encountered files in an IP firm in relation to the IP rights of dead rappers. Those are held by the estate, so you’d expect to the “estate of” to appear before the name. If he was working at a lower level he may not have thought through “who is the client/who can give us instructions”. Eg dead people can’t give instructions but their estate representatives or beneficiaries can give instructions. I was reading a case today where 2 of the people died during the course of the case and there was a lot of confusion amongst the lawyers about who were parties under particular obligations.
I work for a law firm in IT, it is absolutely drilled into us that we are never to reveal anything about our clients including who they are to anyone outside the firm, even family. I've been told that I can't discuss our clients that have been discussed in public press releases or are covered in national press as being represented by us in litigation. At most I might be able to refer someone to our website as that information has been vetted by council.
Birds of a feather.....
This never would have been brought to anyone’s attention if he didn’t align himself with Janet. 🤣
This ben the lawyer is Janet and the mortician in a trench coat
Janet’s gonna be crying “ineffective assistance of counsel”
It would appear as if Lockyer is just as inexperienced as Janette. Both of them practicing the law, without knowing a damn thing about attorneys ethics.
16:49 it’s possible he was practicing under Illinois Rule 711 that allows students to practice law while under the supervision of a barred attorney. Here in RI it’s Rule 9 but I was taught to list it as “Legal Intern/ RI Supreme Court Rule 9 Certified.” So it’s possible they had him doing something similar and sent him to a hearing that wasn’t a big deal.
He would still require their permission though…..right?
Except he was working for the state--he wouldn't have been representing rappers.
@@AfterTheRains yea there’s an application process and paperwork your supervising attorney fills out. In at least MA & RI you have to have taken Evidence and passed and be out of your first year. For me the earliest I could have qualified would have been the spring semester of my 2L if I was able to get into Evidence in the fall.
@@RunkleOfTheBailey that’s fair I must have mixed up the timeline I thought he was at the law firm into 2018 and then changed to the state office.
Hey he has 63,072,000 seconds of experience and that is a much bigger number than 2 and sounds better lol
Question i saw he cited Mac Miller who has died. Does that mean he needs his family’s permission to talk about him being his lawyer? And of course Janet and Lauren would choose a ethically challenged lawyer.
Would he be in more trouble listing real clients or fake clients?
Well real he would get reamed for breach of confidality. Fake he could get in trouble with the bar for fake representation... *not a lawyer* pretty bad either way
I am so impressed and curious how Runkle does this, are the laws similar where he practices and that is how he knows to look for these rules in Illinois, or did he look up Lockyer's info then go back and find the laws he was violating? No matter how Runkle does it I am very much in awe.
It's a similar situation for most lawyers around the world (and other professionals, in fact). There's what the law says, and then there'll be a professional body that licenses and regulates its members, and publishes codes of ethics and professional conduct, among other things. Dentists, doctors, engineers, lawyers, &c. Some societies will even publish price guidelines for the services of their members. In this case the code actually comes from the Illinois Supreme Court, their "Rules of Professional Conduct", though that resource is directly linked to from the Illinois State Bar Association webpage.
Client confidentiality and privilege is pretty much a universal thing. So if you ever see names, dates, dollar amounts, criminal charges, &c. sort of thing in the open, that should immediately trigger a "huh hold up". Medical professionals have a similar duty to their patients, though I think it varies whether a breach is criminal, how the professional body reacts, and so on. So yeah, a variety of folks definitely would have raised their eyebrows, but Runkle (being a lawyer) definitely has more ability to investigate and make sense of what he finds, more so than, say, an engineer wondering if they're allowed to name their clients.
Basically, I saw that and knew immediately that it'd be a major breach where I practice. So I thought "Maybe it's not where Ben practices", so I looked that up. And nope, breach there too.
The confidentiality section and ABA guidance was exactly the same as applies to me as an auditor. I have to use the same general and vague descriptors when talking about past work I've done. If I can do it, Ben can.
I can't believe that ending.👀🤡
'Hi Ben!' oh, Runkle! You are just the best!
I love your wit and sarcasm, Canadians and Australians seem to have a similar humour.
Wow, looks like these two really got their moneys worth from their disreputable law school.
Oh I so needed another installation of the Janet Jam after how this week has been going! My flabber is absolutely ghasted. In Present Job I work with one of the large corporations listed. I'm surprised he hadn't been contacted by their giant school of shark lawyers with a message to cut it out already. In Past Job I would have had security at my desk to immediately escort me out if I had done such a thing. (As an extra measure, we often had to sign NDAs for the Rich and Famous clients on top of the usual code of ethics.)
I’d just delete this comment and then forward this link to your favorite of the sharky sharks, but that’s just me 😂
“And their quest to sue the internet for saying mean things.” That is a perfect way to sum up this entire thing in one easy sentence.
Unky Runky is certainly thorough, we appreciate you! 🙏🏻
You have been a busy little investigator squirrel Mr Runkle.
This is the legal tea that I live for
FWIW - in Texas, we have law clerks in private practices. They are law students/unlicensed attorneys who do primarily legal research and some motion drafting.
This is also just a great lesson in how to read (and write) resumes and marketing materials. Not just for a lawyer.
Extensive experience (2 years) vs, 18 years of experience. (Or 60 years of combined experience = 12 people × 5 years.)
Specializing in white-collar criminal defense, IP, and family law. (That is the opposite of specializing.)
List of clients that tells nothing more. (Like, did you even provide legal services to them? Or were you just delivering pizza while you were in college?)
Puffery often guides being big words with little meanings. There is more meaning in the things they are avoiding telling you that what they *are* telling you.
Just want to say in America, a law clerk is also used to describe a law student that works at a law firm during law school. Confusing but not just used for judicial clerkships here
Ian, I have lots of great stuff to say about this video-it’s awesome. But I have to differ on the “law clerk” designation. In the US, in my day, law students working part time for law firms were called “law clerks.” It was not exclusively a judicial clerkship. “Summer Associate” and “Law Clerk” were interchangeable.
That's fair, looks like that was a cultural nuance I missed.
In England & Wales a trainee solicitor is known as an "articled clerk" so I would assume "law clerk" is the US equivalent.
Did you even consider necromancy? Because that would explain Nipsey. Maybe.
lmao sounds like someone that Jeanette Braun would hire. Birds of a feather ect.
Runkle, sir, I must say that you have turned into my favorite UA-cam lawyer. Excellent content!!
Fun fact: freund is German for friend. So when I hear his name I hear "Robert S Friend"
I feel like people like Ben and Janet and LTM are singlehandedly holding back my imposter syndrome, like if they can still be professionals after all this so can I, so I really appreciate that.
17:25 as a Pittsburgher this insults me, RIP Mac. Sad to see your name brought into this
lawsuit is frivolous should be thrown out of court
Lolol that's fun.
Hi Ben! You done goofed.
Cheers!
You do not want your resume to look like it was written by a con artist.
This makes me wonder: Is it a breach of confidentiality if you claim you represented someone you've never actually represented?
No because you never signed an agreement. But it does make you a liar
Maybe it could be defamation? It could damage someone's image if people think they hired defense counsel.
Ignoring the fact that it already violates several BAR laws
@@yapper1200 I believe it falls more on the false advertisement, fraud, and misrepresentation area
Runkle said elsewhere that in this case, it would still be a breach of confidentiality if they were clients of the firm he worked at, which they probably were.
If we're talking in general, where there would be no relationship, I think it couldn't be. It would still be a misrepresentation (lie).
What am I doing this afternoon? Watching a lawyer talk about a lawyer's lawyer, mhmm.
We're gonna pick all the nits....this phrase earned you a subscription
Damnit Runkle! With every video i love you more! 😂😂😂
How long before we think he nuked his site totally???
wow it's just me and the pr0n bots here
I clicked so fast when I saw Janet's name!
His resume reads like a newbie film composer who got a few ad placements through a music library but hasn't actually worked with the clients, themselves. He should have gone into the music business, instead. He could do stuff like this all day long and no one would question it.
this is so messy 🫖
I had to laugh at the tea pot/kettle, in Hong Kong Cantonese slang it means trouble, being a homonym for Trouble. 茶煲。
I am Jack's unsurprised expression.