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Gas Delayed Blowback Pistols: A Tour of the System
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
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Today we are taking a look at an assortment of gas-delayed pistols, from South Africa to China to Europe. There is one predominant style of gas-delay execution, but also some variations and some substantially different takes on the concept...
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I know a big part of FW has always been education, but I love these videos explaining operating principles or classes of weapons
The principal principle....
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk indeed!
@OP Could *not* agree more. This stuff (nerd alert!) is absolutely fascinating to me, I’ve always been interested in how mechanical systems/things work.
@@brabhamfreaman166 I feel you there, in some cases the individual parts of the system can be more interesting than the sum of the parts!
@@brabhamfreaman166 same here!
Odd operating systems is pretty much the main reason I watch Forgotten Weapons. 😁
Bro most of FW videos are really just super complicated designs, every machinist nightmare but I like it cause it shows the ingenuity and the mindset of designers and their nations.
Firmly agreed!
Does it surprise anyone at all that Ian has (almost) a reference collection of gas-delayed blowback pistols? 🤣
Wouldnt be surprised if several collectors gifted him parts or even entire collection just because they wanted that it get to a person who valued it.
He's been collecting for years, so not really
Dunno if I'd call them 'forgotten weapons' but they're not hugely common as pistols and worthy of some collection in my opinion
I’d be surprised if he didn’t also write them off on his taxes as a business expense.
I really thought he would've had all. The absence of the CCP was most unexpected, indeed.
This is the content I come to FW for. As an engineer, I love seeing all the different, unique solutions that have been developed over the years. Keep it up, Ian!
Steyr GB was the first centerfire semi-auto pistol I ever fired as a young teen in the 80s. Dad and I went to an event at the Black Canyon (now Ben Avery) range in AZ and Steyr had a booth where they were letting people test fire the GB. I never have owned one, but that pistol will always have a special place in my heart.
I'm also a collector of gas delayed pistols, lovely to see this Ian. The ADP was not available in 45 ACP but rather a shorter GAP like 45 ADP. Only a few were made by Alex as prototypes. Alex was the owner of my local neighbourhood gun shop back in the day, so got to see these things. I'm looking for a Norinco 77 and the CCP myself. Have models of P7/GB/ADP/CP1
Skip the CPP my friend, parts #44 and #46 are made of polymer that's the wrong spec for what it does. After a random number of rounds, Part #44 destroys and or fuses with part #46 causing a complete failure of the striker mechanism. Meaning that you can throw the pistol at your target, but nothing you can do to the gun without rebuilding it will make it fire.
And it's a real shame too because the ergonomics are fantastic, it's light and easy to carry, its incredibly accurate, and the recoil mitigation really does work. It has all the gas delayed pistol issues with overheating and needing frequent cleaning, and it only holds 8 rounds of 9mm but even with those shortcomings I would have loved it if the gun was reliable enough to keep.
@@ericgrumbles447 Okay, I think you need to explain because according to Wather's official parts layout the CCP doesn't have a part #44 and part #46 is the striker spring. Which makes it look like your edging close to the "trust me bro," territory.
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@@ericgrumbles447 But he's a collector, so it doesn't matter if they're junk LOL
Very Jealous.
Is the CCP made by Umirex (sic)
The Steyr GB was the semi-auto only civilian version of the Pi-18 which is selective fire and had 18 and 36 round magazines i trialled and used two of the Pi-18's whilst serving in the UK military.
Excellent pistol, no real issues
At this point I would not be surprised if Laugo Alien is the most often disassembled gun he has done on video.
These operating system videos are quickly becoming some of my very favorites
I own a Steyer GB.
Very nice shooting 9mm.
Very ergonomic design, polygonal rifling, 18 shot capacity. Way ahead of it's time.
It's only minor drawback is that you can't shoot lead bullets out of it and it is a very dirty gun to clean.
All that gas blackens up everything
@@dansherman1980 Possibly.
I never let my gun get that dirty to find out.
And since it was in the running for military use, I can see where that might be true.
But it is very reliable with no malfunctions that I can remember.
I love these technical operating principle videos from you Ian keep them coming! Never fired a gun in my life but as an engineer they fascinate me.
If he wants to get into odd gas system uses for hand guns. There's the gas locked rotating barrel. S&W used something of that effect with the 5.7, if I remember correctly.
Apparently the SW 57 and 22 WMR uses a gas unlocked system rather than gas delayed
I'm a sucker for gas delayed weapons. Its such an interesting mechanism, and while it does have its downsides, it does seem underused.
My understanding is that it’s due to the perception that they’re more "maintenance and cleaning intensive" than other mechanisms, despite all evidence being that they were no dirtier than roller-delayed guns.
Self-regulating and inherently more accurate. What's not to love? 👍🏻
@@EbalosusThat Steyr looked fairly simple and the fact that it also drives clean air through the gas cylinder makes this more credible.
@@mrkeogh Sure because the barrel doesn't necessarily move it is marginally more precise, not accurate. Accuracy is up to the user. A good shooter with a browning is still gonna beat an amateur with one of these any day of the week.
The main reason this system is not used more is because it does not provide enough benefit relative to the cost increase.
One of the main draw back he didn't talk about with this type of weapons is heat if you are using it alot much heat builds up in the gas system which is why I would hesitate to use one that has a polymer frame
This sort of high-level design analysis is what makes this channel special.
Love the Steyr GB. A pistol ahead of its time.
It's one of my grail guns. Supremely cool, I wish it had caught on better so they were more common and affordable lol.
Reputedly exceptionally reliable and accurate guns. Steyr made way too nice a gun, not realizing the curtain-rod guy was gonna show up and undercut the hell out of them.
Rogak!
A recent addition to the gas delayed plow back pistol category is the S&W M&P 5.7. It is similar to the Styer with the gas port close to the front of the barrel. It also has a rotating barrel which is different from anything else Ian talked about in this video. I would be interested to see/hear Ians thoughts on the M&P 5.7.
Good thinking! Everyone, including myself, seems to keep bringing up the Walther CCP, but the m&p 5.7 is so new, it doesn't seem to be as common to bring up
The system can most easily explained by comparing it to a game of pull robe. A simple blow back would be a strong guy pulling on a robe tied around a rock. The goal is to prevent the strong guy (blow back) to pull this rock (the slide) a certain distance in a given time before he runs out of stamina (gas pressure). To ensure this usually the stone (slide) have to made very heavy. But if you get another guy (pressure acing on the piston) bulling the robe in the opposite direction the strong guy (blow back) has to overcome this resistance to and you cold make the stone (slide) lighter. The gas pressure in the pistol that tries to push the case out again the slide (blow back) has to overcome the slide mass and the counter acting pressure.
But one thing that is often overlooked is, that the slide must move from the get got if it does not following will happen. Give that our strong guy (blow back) is prevented from doing any movement on his robe, because the other guy is as strong as him. He will get tired (bullet leaves the barrel) before he could affect any movement and then leaves together with the other guy (because if the bullet lefts the barrel and the pressure drops in both systems. The blow back force will end to act and the "delaying" force in the piston will and to act at almost the same time. )
This can be observed in high speed footage the slide does not gain extra speed as soon as the bullet leaves the barrel, because the "delaying" forces drop as well as the acting forces.
Ian, you’re awesome. I quit watching TV years ago and mainly just watch forgotten weapons and mac. I want to thank you for your hard work. I’ve truly learned so much from you over the years.
I really like these designs because they can be made into light weight pistols with lighter recoil springs. I actually recommended the Walther CCP to a friend who wanted a pistol but doesn't have the use of his off hand
The Walther CCP is a cool little gun. I had one as my first compact carry pistol. I really enjoyed it, it shoots really well and is super easy to conceal. I wouldn't mind having one again.
Diese vergleichende Darstellung der Funktionen ist außerordentlich interessant - gerne mehr davon.
It's so weird seeing the alien lined up with all those, very funky, older pistols.
5:08 If one would design the P7 the way, that the slide could be kept shut by gas pressure (easily obtainable by enlarging the pistons diameter over the caliber of the bullet) one would encounter the problem that the slide would not move the moment the bullet left the barrel, because as soon as this happened there would be no force left to cycle the slide. Recoil force ends as soon as the bullet leaves and if gas pressure drops ind drops in the barrel and in the cylinder. The initial movement of the slide must be there for such a weapon to cycle.
The 22 mag pistol from Smith and Wesson appears to have the same system as the Styer.
The S&W uses gas to unlock the action not delay it's opening.
I believe the 22 mag is delayed blowback. While it uses the barrel sleeve design from the 5.7 the 22 mag version does not include the rotating barrel.
I managed to pick up a Styer GB. Pretty cool pistol. Managed to snag one of the rare military imports, they didn't have the crinkle finish that the commercial versions had, sort of like what you would find on the Sterling SMG.
I became a fan of gas delayed blowback when I bought my Walther CCP. The recoil is stupid light, it's a reliable firearm, and it's just nice to support a design that's different.
Yes another video or two on obscure operating mechanisms is a great idea. How about long recoil for starters?
How about long recoil pistols? ,😊
@@AverageJoe4063 How about a telescoping mechanism to extend the slide movement length by 2-3 times? ;w;
@@AverageJoe4063 That's actually what I meant, but I just realised I didn't spell it out.
Great video! I love gas delay blowback, I've only got access to a Steyr GB and P7 though. I would love to play with the rest
Hi Ian, fun and informative content as always. You are missing one fun gun in that set, other than Walther CCP - the Vaktor CP1.
That's a copy of the P7 system, isn't it?
I love mine, recently sold my old one and bought one in great condition. Awesome little guns
No, it isn't. It had a similar gas delay system, but it was single action hammer fired. They were all recalled, as they were not drop safe, which is definitely not a problem fit the P7.
I agree, shame he missed out on the CCP. It's my carry gun, compact, low recoil for a 9mm, and not expensive either. Big fan of what Walther's been up to recently.
@@sethgordon4473 I have a pre- and post-recall CP1, they tried making a small change at first but ultimately recalled all of them.
I thoroughly enjoyed this Ian, this is why I subscribed all those years ago. Amazing information, I learned so much.
Honestly, handguns are my favorite branch of the firearms tree. Learning about weird ones is ... just amazing.
I wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of those Heritage pistols. Guess they're no longer in production.
Either way, great video. Thanks for doing what you do.
One quirk with the Steyr system I can think of is that the slide will start reciprocating from the blowback of the cartride and then go forward again as soon as the bullet reaches the gas ports and fills the gas cilinder, causing a bit of a jerking movement back and forth. It's probably very minimal, maybe imperceptible, but if the designers decided to add weight to the slide to counteract that, then it's not neglegible
Please do expand on this. I love mechanical quirks.
Its fairly easy. The P7 got an acting piston of 9 mm diameter (the case that is pushed against the slide) and a counter piston of 7 mm (the tapped gas) These pistons work against each other. 9 minus 7 is 2. Therefore the slide will open with the force of a 2 mm piston.
Not quite. You need to subtract piston areas, not diameters.
π(9/2)^2=63.6
π(7/2)^2=38.5
63.6-38.5=25.1
25.1/π=8.0
√8=2.8
So it opens with the force of a 2.8mm cartridge, assuming the pressure is the same at the bolt face and at the piston face, which it won't be, so it will actually open faster. In fact, the gas port diameter may have a larger effect on opening speed than the piston diameter!
Out your examples I own the styer and the heritage. I learned some things about them today Thanks Ian 😊😊😊
Why does the Norinco look like a Hi-point and a S&W 5900 series had a baby?
Also, it's interesting the S&W M&P 5.7 operates in a similar way to the Steyr GB, in that the barrel is the gas piston.
I love putting the system in context. I’ve managed to get similar understanding by watching dozens upon dozens of your videos, but it’s very cool to have it all in one place.
I do wish you’d gone more into the negatives of this kind of system. From your range trip with the Alien, heat buildup seems to be the main one? Does the gas piston tend to foul worse as well?
I have a Wilson ADP. After approximately 100 rounds carbon fouling causes the pistol to stop functioning. Using clean burning ammo helps. Good quality hollow points for example.
I am so in love with this series of videos, explaining the mechanisms. I never even knew gas delayed pistols existed! But now they make perfect sense! Thank you
I have a recommendation for a video on the gas-operated smg. During February of this year, I was seaching on both this subject and the Gas-operated smg. It's not impractical. Chinese adopted it on the Type 79. There's also the SiG MPX. There were more guns, some being derivative from the AK in Serbia, but I don't remember all of it. As you can tell, it's both lighter and shooting faster. On the MPX, it's said to be recoil level of a MP5, while on the Type 79 Chinese video, they say the recoil was kinda uncontrollable, even with a recoil pad, but since the Type 79 doesn't have a handy handguard, it doesn't count IMO
Edit: I forgot the SR-2 Veresk SMG. It's gas-operated too. And the design of it has some similar points with the SR-3 or VSS/AS Val, but not straight taken from
And in keeping with being weird besides just the delta system the Styer GB also has a double stack/double feed magazine.
I really enjoy this type of "contextual" video where you take a concept and talk about multiple guns that share that concept, like with your video on SMG generations or on the first generation of semi auto pistols. As someone in a country where guns are scarce and I have no hands on experience with them, there is a lot of value to me in these kinds of videos as opposed to ones where you just look at a single gun in more of a vacuum.
I would especially enjoy more videos where you make comparisons between cartridges, even the mainstream ones since I - again as someone who has no access to guns - have little experience with them and it's hard to really get a feel for what the difference actually is between them and what makes a good pistol cartridge as opposed to a good rifle cartridge etc etc, things like that.
Excellent video. Very neat to see the variants, and learn how they work. Thank you for all that you do.
Great video, Ian! Please do more of these. Different operating systems and implementation details are very interesting
Didn't AMT have some designs that worked in a different way? I vaguely remember something about gas ports that acted directly on the cartridge case in the chamber. The pistol was 22 magnum.
M77B is a scaled-up version of type-77, which fires 7.62x17mm (basically .32 ACP). I guess a gas-delayed blowback system is the easiest way to scale it up as they only need to screw a hole and add a gas piston
Thanks for explaining the GDBP principle. I never knew exactly how it worked.
Ian, you are the best gun related youtuber there is. Absolutely awesome videos every single time with a wealth of ACCURATE information. I always feel confident that if Ian says it, then it's the truth.
Multi-class as teacher/salesman.
Thank you, Ian, that was fun. I would truly like to see you make additional content on other operating systems.
Finally a good explanation of gas-delayed blowback systems on youtube.
The brass casing also acts as a piston moving the slide back, whereas the area of the counteracting piston is smaller which thus results in a lower force (assuming equal gas pressure) pushing the slide closed. So the backwards force is higher than the forwards force yielding only a reduced net force backwards accelerating the slide back.
Aside from that, even though the gas bores in the barrel are very close to the bullet, it takes time to flood the counteracting piston volume to build up sufficient pressure for slow down the slide.
The alien seems to have an advantage that the hot cylinder is at the top and not going to rapidly heat up the dust cover of the frame and potentially burn the shooters fingers like the HK is notorious for. All these delayed systems seem to rely on the strength of the case a bit too optimistically though, browning had it right just leave it there! But solutions looking for problems make the best videos on this channel
Thank you so much for making this video. I’ve been very curious about the gas delayed blowback operating system , and this is the best video I’ve seen showing how the various versions of this mechanism work (ofc the Forgotten Weapons video is always the best :)).
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I watch all your videos which are excellent - but this one I found particularly informative and enjoyable. Thank you.
In 1990 or 1991, I had the opportunity to thoroughly test a gas delayed conversion for the 1911 Govt in .45 ACP. The principle was very similar to the HK P7 (my duty weapon in those days was a HK P7M13. Awfully expensive but it was a time when French police officers in specialized units could get an authorization to buy and use their own gun as long as it fed 9x19 or .38 Special … and they’d just recently replaced the MR73 with the French made version of the Ruger security six renamed RMR). Long story short, that conversion unit was 3 pieces: a barrel and gas cylinder block with quite tight machining tolerances so that it would fit tight, nice and cosy in the Govt frame; a different recoil spring and, if memory serves me well, the piston that replaced the usual guide rod. I think the bushing had something special too. I couldn’t find any trace of it in the imperfect memory of humankind called the Internet. Would someone know about it?
P.s. the thing was working quite well as long as you’d use potent ammo. Still, it was a pita to clean and the buildup would start creating problems after 2-3 magazines. Too bad I didn’t keep pictures…
I enjoyed this presentation and found it quite informative. Thank you.
I love seeing different/new or obscure ideas as far as locking mechanisms go, especially for pistols and even more so when they work as intended.
I think the Micro Desert Eagle should get an honorable mention. It's not gas piston delayed but it has a gas impingement delay system.
So I'm guessing it floods gas into a port directly above the chamber?
That is an old fashion Forgotten Weapons video. I loved it! I love learning about the different engineering solutions on weaponry design.
I looooove odd mechanical systems, it's what drew me to this channel in the first place. Please do more!
Very interesting video - I'd definitely like more like those on less common operating systems.
Very much appreciate these video's as a bit of a window into the mechanics for all these firearms. Thanks!
The ridges on the piston are similar in principle to what are called Labrinth seals on a jet engines.
I love it when Ian makes videos like this, covering moreso concepts/trends/designs rather than individual weapons.
Really leans into the engineering/education angle of the channel, which is why I'm even here in the first place.
More vids on weird operating systems would be very cool
I wonder if it would be possible to make a fixed barrel pistol where the slide is locked by a wedge to the front of the frame, and the system unlocks venting gas from a port almost at the end of the barrel.
This was cool. I've heard the term gas delayed for a long time, never knew how it worked. Now i do. Thanks Ian!
A great beautifully interesting video and pistols Mr.GJ.Have a good one.
Ian McCollum and the Gas Chamber of the Delayed Blowback System
More of these videos please Sir. Thank you!
My mom picked up a ccp m2 on a trade. I didnt know anything about them, but found they are ideal for anyone with lower hand strength. The delay system also allows for a lighter recoil spring, making the slide very easy to rack. Its a very under talked about gun imo.
The biggest problem with CCP is its horrible trigger, for some reason Walther has refused to improve that aspect of it whatsoever.
@@dieyproductions4403 i dont remember it having a bad trigger, but its been a couple years since i shot it and thats the only one ive shot.
A looong trigger pull. It tests your motive.
Also, mine would not shoot plus-p ammo. Destroyed the striker set up. The little spring.
@@Bojangles6 every single review I have seen of it has mentioned the bad trigger so even though I don't have first had info, what I have seems to be consistent from multiple sources.
@@paulwiggins183 problem with the trigger is more than it having a long pull, people who have review it have said that it is like pieces of glass or sand rubbing against each others, and not a very well defined wall either if I remember correctly. It is just a waste to not put your best trigger (like the one in Walther PDP for example) in a gun that has a noble action which lends itself well to accuracy (the non moving barrel). I didn't know about the plus p thing, even though plus p ammo for 9mm is a bit of a gimmick, there is still not a real excuse for a manufacturer in 2023 to make something incapable of handling it, that being said, what generation was yours? Because they did some fixes a few years back and they might have included the ammo intolerance flaw.
Dad: “IM gonna show you a gas delayed mechanism!” *FARTS*
Lol
the best thing about forgotten weapons you cant tell if a video is 7 years or 7 hours old
It would be cool to look at the Smith and Wesson Tempo 2 piece gas delayed barrel system.
The Tempo is a gas booster, not gas delay.
That Norinco looks like an excellent design to give the user Negligent Discharges
The trigger guard is a bit wider than the trigger so if you finger slips off it will go past the trigger, when its fully pulled the trigger is blocked completely by the trigger guard, so if your finger slips loading it, it wont be fully loaded. And if its loaded already, you arent using the trigger guard.
Great 👍 video Ian, haven’t seen your videos in a while. Glad you’re doing well and continuing to make great content. Thanks for including My favorite the P7 , is the Alien going to be a truly Forgotten Weapon because of its price ?
As you've mentioned elsewhere, a real problem with this system is heat making the guns painful to hold for extended shooting. How do they compare?
I have done a few videos on my 77B, its a really cool pistol, and my trigger guard still works on it.
would love to enter as a pistol owner in N Ireland but i dont imagine we can get it shipped here
I do love seeing the odd mechanical operating systems -- so yes please; let's see some more videos on those!
Excellent video. Entertaining and informative as always...
Very cool and interesting to see so many odd pistol’s together.
I beg to disagree with Ian. I think that Steyr GB is the best of them-at least technically. And my reasons are:
1/ The gas piston is the barrel itself and the gas cylindre is an easily accessible part. It’s _far_ easier to clean these components-and that matters immensely.
2/ The pistol has *very* reduced number of components; indeed, there are just a handful of them. E.g. the sear, disconnector and ejector are all one piece multi-purpose component. No single spring has only one purpose (except the firing pin spring). Ingenious engineering.
3/ The gas cylindre (the area that heats up) is substantially further away from the hand than in all the rest of them. And
4/ 18 rounds in the double-feed magazine… You don’t even need extended size of the grip. And yet, the pistol isn’t any wider than usual (there are many thicker pistols) because the frame is made of pressed and welded sheet metal. So inventive!
Great video!
Totally interesting stuff. I really liked that Steyr there. Although, yeah.. The Laugo Alien surely is the one to rule them all here.
Love your content Ian! Shot with a lot (no a few, ha ha, there are so many!) Of your topic guns. Very much appreciate your knowledge, passion and ease of watch. Regards from SA. Hope to meet you when i grow up! ☝️🫵🤠👍🇿🇦🇳🇦🇩🇪🇺🇲
I do love your channel! This particular edition is a good reason why. I learned something. Thanks. By the time I have accumulated seven grand for the Laugo it will have sold out. I do want one.
Excellent video!
great video. love this content.
The old man has a P7, and it forces you to grip properly. Actually a really great shooting pistol.
Thanks. Because of videos like this I got interested in you channel and in firearms in general. I never was a guns enthusiast, but as an engineer you got me interested in different mechanics of the firearms. Firearms is one of a few systems that are completely mechanical, and relatively simple, but slightest changes in design might significantly affect reliability, price and weight. They looks so simple, but it takes years to make design reliable and effective
4:45 Also recoil spring.
So it is going to move with the bullet, but there are pressure and recoil spring working against it, although pressure gets lower the farther the bullet travels down the barrel
It's like having two syringes filled with liquid
Very comprehensive, well done.
Fascinating! Thank you
Big fan of the Walther CCP, shame it didn't make it in! It's my carry.
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Might the Steyr GB get less hot, less quickly, by not letting hot gas into the cylinder until it's actually needed? The others reportedly all do get hot, about the Steyr I do not know, but it's an army service pistol with a big magazine, the others are mostly backups, and the Steyr's working parts are also quite big, which might also be a temperature-control thing.
That was an amazing Tour de Force for the Gas delayed handguns. I love this video, I have compiled a list of Gas delayed handgun videos for my own research and Ian bring this out to add to my research archive. the only ones that I has not touched upon are the Vector CP-1 (from South Aftrica) which may or may not be available in the US and the Bulgarian Arsenal Corp. Arsenal P-M02 (from Russia). I would love to see a cool in depth Video of the Arsenal P-M02 but alas Russia. It looks like basically a Gas Delayed Makarov in 9x19. Oh well we can dream. Are you going to make a Stand Alone video about the Heritage? It would be interesting to know the history of the company and its roots. Chiappa also experimented with gas delay in a similar manner to the Steyr GB called the 'DBB45'. That would definitely be a unique Forgotten Weapon to take a look at, specifically the "Whys"
The explanation makes it sounds more complicated than it is. Really, simple blowback is gas-operated already. Using the cartridge case as the gas piston. Now we are adding another smaller gas piston to oppose some of the original piston's thrust. It doesn't delay the opening as such, it makes it act as if it is firing from a smaller diameter case. As in, the slide opens as one would expect for a simple blowback with a case base area equal to the difference in the piston sizes (except the Steyr GB because of its late introduction of gas pressure)
This is so informative to watch. Would love to see a slow motion of the Steyr GB firing and cycling to see if the placement of the ports has any significant changes in when the slide comes back/is delayed by the gas holding it up.
I've got a CCP in 380. Shoots nice and soft. Good for someone with compromised hand strength. My mom and my ole lady both have had hand oriented accidents and it's a good fit for them.
I love odd pistols. Keep handgun operating systems content!
Ian, big P7 enthusiast here. There's one feature that I don't see getting enough attention, that I would live to see you geek out on: slide length to barrel length ratio.
Is there any pistol this size that manages to squeeze such a long barrel into the frame? Look how far back the chamber is compared to other handguns. It's impressive how HK designed that strikerfire mechanism ao compact. Regardless, thanks for the content!
I have a P7 and i love it and it is quite a shooter as well. Its pretty easy to conceal carry as well. The squeeze cocker is kinda slick as I've had a couple rounds not fire and recocked and tried again and they went off. I just assume a hard primer or a light strike lol. Either way its a really cool and fun piatol