Neil Gaiman Sued, Cancelled By Everyone
Вставка
- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- The heat surrounding Neil Gaiman following accusations of sexual assault is increasing. Neil Gaiman and his wife, Amanda Palmer, are being sued in civil court by one of his accusers, Scarlett Pavlovich. Furthermore, several high-profile entertainment companies are cancelling or out Gail projects on indefinite hold. Wes breaks down the the lawsuit against Neil Gaiman and the companies cancelling deals with the writing legend. Neil Gaiman sued, cancelled by everyone.
Support Thinking Critical On Patreon For Exclusive Content!
/ thinkingcritical
🛒 SHOP THINKING CRITICAL - Official Merch!
www.redbubble....
Thank you for supporting the channel!
Thinking Critical TikTok Channel: / thinking_critical
Thinking Critical Instagram: / thinkingcrit
Thinking Critical FaceBook Community: / 1368359010382132
Thinking Critical Discord: / discord
Twitch Channel
/ thinking_critical_yt
Contact Thinking Critical:
Twitter: / wes_from_tc
Email wesdigscomics@gmail.com
#neilgaiman #metoo #comicbooks
If DC has a problem with reprinting stuff because it's by someone convicted of a crime, they could do a Son of Sam rule where royalties go to the victims or their families.
Agreed, however, in this case, Gaiman hasn't had charges filed against him and civil cases should not count because the burden of proof is much lower.
Now all we need is a crime. The video is about a civil suit. Might want to look up the difference.
@@TheGuyInTheCheapSeats That only applies to those convicted. A pretty good idea though, IMO.
Terrible idea. That will lead to an infinite bunch of desperate bimbos making up shit just to try their luck. Guaranteed.
This is worse then Vince McMahon's lawsuit. Gaiman's involves a child. When kids are involved, that takes things from gross behavior to evil. Goodbye Neil.
I think the things he did were pretty evil regardless
*allegedly, but I did not find his defense convincing.
For companies reluctant to dump Gaiman, I have no problem with, "We have elected to pause our relationship with Mr. Gaiman until the serious allegations against him are resolved". I don't think any are doing this, however.
Also I really want the ones that enabled Neil to be arrested also. You can’t have real change if the rotten foundation is still there.
And what if, through some loophole only the wealthy can afford, all Gaiman’s legal problems go away in one week? Could those same companies say, “Okay! Problem solved. We’re back in business!”?
@@geraldmartin7703 It kind of reminds me of when people boycotted Milli Vanilli when they learned they lip-synced! People actually brought out a steamroller near malls to run out and destroy Milli Vanilli records, tapes, and CDs!! And this wasn’t for rape! It was for LIP-SYNCING!! If publishers or media companies see that they’re going to lose money they’ll drop him right away, even if the allegations aren’t technically proven yet.
@TheJoshuamooney if it goes away or he is innocent then yes Gaiman should be welcomed back.
@@thatcomicdad1687 But what if the public doesn’t dig him and the PR damage has been so bad that he’s only able to do infomercials like Billy Mays or like Vanilla Ice’s real estate infomercials? (Oh I’d totally buy/sell real estate from Vanilla Ice! Look at how smart he was with his music career! 😂)
Whatever the truth is, I hope it comes out soon for everyone’s sake.
The question is…. Do you hope it comes out of what hole? 💩
I had heard these allegations over a decade ago. The fact people are canceling what used to be one of the most powerful writers is proof that the people around him believe it to be true and that he and they no longer have the same protection as before
@@sheehase The cancellation of his future publications and the distancing from Gaiman’s agent/publicist is not a good sign.
@@sheehase Also Neil Gaiman’s not one of the most powerful writers. Maybe you’ve heard of some guy named Stephen King? Stephen King isn’t very full of himself either. Sometimes he sees fans take pictures near his house in Maine and he’s supposed to be pretty chill and he occasionally stops and waves at them.
it doesn't really matter if he's right or wrong, even if it turns out he was right his reputation is tarnished and over
Neil and Amanda have always had the most creepy relationships with their fans. I witnessed it 12 years ago. They didn’t care if it was teenagers messaging them they’d flirt back. It’s very sex charged and they act parental. I believe the allegations of abuse. The very fact they did that to a woman they employed and housed and admit it? Their goose is cooked. They’re done.
These times for the comic fandom are just miserable I think at times...
I can't tell if Amanda Palmer is more disgusting for screening and passing girls to Neil or if he's the flipping worst. Maybe they'll both burst into flames and save us all from picking a winner.
The DC creator convicted of cp possession is a writer named Gerard Jones not an artist and he was released from prison in 2022. The artist drawing the Gaiman Miracleman series is named Mark Buckingham not Steve.
He may also have meant Justiniano, who did some Titans stuff and was busted for kiddie pics.
He has already admitted to the allegations. His defense is that it was consensual.
Now, she was an employee, who was also a dependent, who also did not get paid for her work. That is what the lawsuit is about. And since he has already corroborated those things; through a written statement by his lawyers, it is not really a "he said she said" kind of thing. He has a good chance of losing this as a civil case; regardless of the "consent" of the plaintiff.
@@1603holly Exploitation could be involved. There was an older couple in my dad’s neighborhood who took in a Mexican woman and made her a sex slave. Their house was raided and they had to go. This was in a gentrified neighborhood. People can do kinky stuff out of desperation. That’s how a lot of Craigslist ads frequently work.
@@1603holly
Regardless of the "consent"?
There's been stories for at least the last 30 years about how Gaiman would treat young female fans at cons. It's embarrassing it's taken this long for him to be blacklisted.
The interesting to me is how people were willing to accept everything said with Ed Piskor. Piskor did come off creepy, but no one accused him of a crime. It was possible it was just extremely lonely and overly friendly, and trying to white knight women, but no one ignored the story. Last time I looked up responses to it on facebook some people were happy Piskor killed himself because they think he was a rapist.
People did videos about Gaiman months ago, but his fan ignored it. I saw comments on, again of facebook, that the people doing the videos were jealous and politically motivated. Gaiman was a male feminist and had a very public persona, so his fans felt like they knew him on a personal level where people don't with most creators.
As far as the industry this seems to be a case where many people knew he was at least hooking up with women, and the abuse is alleged. I don't have a problem with people hooking up, ie Warren Ellis was sleeping with adult women. Both are very popular entertainers, and had public personas. So I can see where fans would want to sleep with both, despite neither being good looking. And to be fair most men have celebrity crushes who are women, but women generally wouldn't sleep with a random fan. The different is men will act on it. If you tell me a successful famous man likes having sex with consensual partners my response would be the meme "no lies detected"
But if he was abusing women did people know that, and over looked it? Fans were ignoring the allegations for months because to them he was their friend. WOuld people in the industry ignore abuse allegations for them rame reason? People did that with DIddy, and Weinstein.
As far as the Sandman show's cancelation. I don't know if they advertised the 2nd season was a planned final season. I would assume if it was very popular they would make a 3rd season, and the allegations stopped them. There are long periods between a lot of streaming shows, when network shows would usually be assumed to have another season if the show's ratings were good enough and was on a few seasons. Supernatural was on for so long everyone probably assume after a while it could go on until one or both of the stars died.
It's not a good look for the industry is people assume there was a coverup. Rumors of sleeping with consensual people are one thing, and some people may have assumed it would have been more serious than it was. But allegations of abuse are different, but even then did someone in the industry hear it from one of the alleged victims, or from someone else who may have just been jealous and wanted to crap on Gaiman? How would anyone know if the rumors were true? There are rumors Morgan Freeman is too "close" to his grandfather, and that seems to be because people think he's.... to close to her, no one has actually seen anything.
Some people do make up fan fiction in thier head. If a normal break up happens some people assume there was cheating, or some type of abuse, when it could have been simply people growing apart. If Gaiman was sleeping with young adult women some people see that as automatically bad. but it's different forcing someone to do something. SO why would anyone in the industry take it that seriously if they heard Gaiman did anything if they heard it from a struggling artist who has a fraction of the fame? How would this person know Gaiman or the victim well enough to know the rumor is true?
I think there it's possible to separate the art from the artist, but it's up to what makes individuals comfortable. I can't watch any Roman Polanski movies, the fact he's a child predator would over shadow the movie. After Norm McDonald died I watched some clips of the Mike Tyson Mysteries, which I avoided before. I figured since Hollywood is full of criminals and people who gave them a pass I can watch the show, and it doesn't mean I condone his crimes. He was in The Hangover, and was on a Comedy Central Roast, so being a convicted rapist doesn't mean you're not welcome in entertainment.
I think what hurt Gaiman, as with Whedon, was the feminist label. They weren't supposed to cheat. As far as I remember no one alleged any crime against WHedon, he just cheated on his wife. If Gaiman's wife was ok with an open marriage than if the hookups were consensual I wonder if that would hurt his rep.
Alot of guys get a pass for cheating. David Letterman paid interns to have sex with him, which would be huge today but non one cares. Ben Affleck cheated on his then wife with their nanny. Gaiman cheated and made some creepy statements if I remember about how the women reminded him of women who ignored him in high school and college. People will pick and choose what to be outraged about when it comes to cheating, what really hurt Gaiman is obviously abuse allegations, he might have gotten a pass if it was just cheating. Warren Ellis wasn't a male feminist, at least that wasn't his major brand as it was with Gaiman.
Toda la razón amigo tu comentario es certero y los culpables de la debacle de piskor siguen libres y a una la premiaron con un Eisner la industria del cómic está jodida
So this woman was assaulted the very first day by Gaiman, but she still chose to stick around, take care of his kids, and clean his house?
The argument could be made she was so desperate, in such dire straights, she was basically forced to stay and comply with him.
Maybe that's true; maybe there are further details that make the allegations cut and dry, but what I find so interesting is that so many of the people pearl clutching at Gaiman taking advantage will tout sex work as something positive and even empowerment for women. How many women in this industry enter because of desperation or dire straights? And how many men take advantage of it?
There's an inconsistency in logic. Is using someone sexually, when they're in a position of weakness, abberant or not?
@ While I don't think Ben Affleck should have cheated I can see why the nanny would want to have sex with him. He was good looking, a huge star, and probably charming. So did she WANT to sleep with the handsome movie star, or felt pressure to do it to keep working?
People act like women will stand up for themselves easily, like in movies where short women beat up linebackers. So I would think the position of a nanny for Gaiman wasn't that great of a job where she would work for him if she was pressured to have sex with him.
I think most men would have no issue quitting if they were pressured to have sex with someone they didn't want to, unless they were very desperate like a drug addict.
The David Letterman thing would have been a bigger negative I would have thought. He was rich and famous and very ugly, so I doubt the interns were happy to sleep with him for money. But Warren Ellis did sleep with a lot of women because of his small level of fame in the comic's industry.
But the Louis CK thing was also odd. He asked to jerk it, women said yes ( I always sassumed they thought he was joking as he does dirty joked) but were too stunned to know how to react. I think men would have shouted and stormed out of the room, so we have to really admit that men and women will react differently to these situations.
It's a bad idea for any man to sleep with a woman under him, as even if there is no presssure if she regrets the situation later she can claim pressure. Or they may be expectations she can use their relationship to benefit her on the job, or he may do things he wouldn't do later.
But pressure to men is different than pressure to women. Men are under pressure all the time, we find it easier to say no. We don't care if someone who is an acting like an asshole doesn't like it. I noticed women act like pressure is coersion, like a mafia threat: Nice house here, be a shame if something happened.
I can see this being like the Warren Ellis thing where women had sex with a rich and famous celebrity who wasn't good looking and later got upset that it didn't become a long term thing. Basically the walk of shame.
Tha accusations of lack of consent are troubline, but as men we assume women could easily say no, and walk away from the situation. But remember the Ansari Anziz thing were a woman consented to have sex with him but claimed she wans't into it, and framed it like he knew. They stopped having sex when she verbally said no, so there was consent and we don't know how she was reacting she claimed it was clear she wasn't into it.
Honestly I would think the women would have no problem saying no, and walking away as he isn't that big. I get they wouldn't want to get into a fight with him, but since he was a "feminist" I would think they'd feel comfortable walking away.
Gaiman career is ruined now. Even if he proves his innocence nobody will hire Gaiman again.
Very true.
what innocence. there's a reason why writing workshops have a protocol in place that he should never be left alone w female students. AND there's been whispers about him in the comic industry since the 90s. does an innocent man have these things about em?
@ I don't know. I can't judge him. We need wait to see that.
Good.
@@EvandroACruz It could be a comeback. If he proves his innocence, he might make a similar comeback to the one Michael Jackson did. (I just doubt he’ll have the trappings of hiring Lou Ferrigno as a personal trainer and be seriously addicted to opiate painkillers, but who knows.)
I’m already sick listening about this, there’s so many videos about this now, the courts can decide what happens to him, he’s old, he’s made his money and there’s absolutely no way to learn the truth of what really happened.
But there’s no way his old work should be shelved, he has widely liked series, there’s no reason people in the future can’t read it simply because of things he’s done.
But I claim that a lot of Gaiman fans were content canceling people they opposed (think HP Lovecraft)
he's being canned also because netflix etc knows that most of his built in audience is disgusted w him to the point that they won't watch anything to do w him
@@protestant3207
It would be crazy for a Gaiman fan to cancel Lovecraft since Gaiman himself wrote Lovecraftian short stories, so he certainly wouldn't have been up for cancelling Lovecraft. It's not as if Lovecraft's unfashionable opinions (of H.G. Wells' equally unfashionable pro-eugenics opinions) have been a recent shock revelation. I remember as a young lefty I was uncomfortable with Kipling because I had only recently learned of his opinions, so I guess, in a way, it may be the hot-headedness of youth that leads these people to reject the creative works of people they learn unfortunate facts about, and then as we get older we learn that no one passes the purity test, particularly in creative circles and particularly when the creator in question is from another era. I hope, in time, the cancellers get a sense of perspective and assess works on their own merits without expecting the artists to be paragons. Even Gandhi and Mother Theresa had their questionable aspects.
You'd be super surprised that people will never touch something made by a heinous criminal, and the same applies here in comics
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw But Gaiman isn’t a criminal, in the eyes of the law he’s committed no crime. We have nothing but accusations.
Gaiman aside, l always felt that the expression should be "Innocent UNLESS proven guilty." I asked a lawyer friend of mine if that didn't make more sense, since "...until proven guilty" creates an assumption of guilt. He couldn't answer my question, which is odd, since lawyers seem to have an answer for everything.
@@BrianRidgway-u5g Lawyers feel they’re expected to have answers, so you’ll get one- it may or may not be the right one. If you pay your employee $500/hour plus retainer, more than one shrug from them and they won’t be your employee for long.
Thats because that phrase is a LIE
The sentence isn’t general wisdom, it’s purely related to how the state has to treat people in a court of law. Hence the until, as it’s context is a lawsuit initiated by the state. As the state charges that person, the until makes sense as that’s the goal of the hypothetical lawsuit (the state shouldn’t charge people he generally considers not guilty).
People always seem to think that it’s general wisdom or some code to live by, but it’s not. It’s context is the way a law based state has to treat its citizens.
@davidgantenbein9362 and how does THAT work out? Because it doesn't seem that way I see it!
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw You can see it however you want, but honestly, you have neither stated a real opinion nor given a context for your statements, so I don’t really get what you even ask here.
Gaiman is gonna really have to defend himself now if he wants to have a bit if chance of saving his career, but remember ge himself said "Believe All Victims."
Weirdo stuff aside. Independent of all that. If you meet some homeless young woman on a beach, would you invite them to come care for your child? This is a person, a stranger, that can barely take care of themselves…
I can see trying to help her out with work around your house or doing errands or something; but how do you go from that to “nanny?”
I don’t care what kind of weird fetishes other grown ass people have. The thing I don’t understand is the lack of judgement.
I imagine she was Amanda Palmer's lover in the first instance, and then the position of nanny was suggested. I think the story covers a number of months, so each event in the story are not immediately one after another.
Another Liberal champion of women.
Hah. Some champion.
There is just as many on the right as well. It doesn't matter which side you are on. An asshole is an asshole
Not that long since the whole Joss Whedon thing. For now the biggest red flag for me is a man saying they are a feminist…
Wow. No matter what you think, he deserves his day in court. This feels like Jonathan Majors situation.
No, it doesn't.
@ yes, it doesn’t 😀
Well he will get that now, albeit a civil court.
Actually you're right because no matter how hideous the crime the person is accused of until there's actual proof not an accusation people shouldn't throw too many fingers his way sometimes people lie and when someone reaches accused of something there's always someone who jumps on the bandwagon
@@pauldareason
It may not even be lying; she may believe that what she says is true. A lot of it hinges on whether or not incidents were consensual rather than wether or not they happened, and her account seems to waver on that issue. It's a state of mind until it is communicated.
Sandman holds a special place in my heart. Good Omens and Coraline and the Ocean at the end of the lane and the Graveyard book all mean things to me. But even with that said, I will not defend Gaiman from this. I stand with the victims and can't bring myself to want any of those things to proeed - and if they do they will not get my eyes to view them.
couple of people with the C.P. problem. but the main one is Jones, and he's out.
The guy who I believe was the writer for the “Prime” comic (not a DC title) was found guilty for having and downloading cp. This is the first time I’ve heard of that Jones guy.
Writer Gerard Jones and the artist Justiniano had that issue.
@@leonardpigg6441 Thanks for the heads up. One of the only “Jones” I knew of was “Mr. Jones” from the Counting Crows song and my head cocked and I went “Wow, I didn’t know that’s what that song was about!” Also, Indiana Jones. But that didn’t even make sense because all the ladies in the movies were definitely over 18! In the fourth one it’s noted he even had a kid with one of them. So no no it couldn’t be Indiana.
I don’t think I’ve heard of those two artists/writers, or I might’ve but didn’t care. I wish them the best of luck in getting chemically castrated! 👍😂
@@MichaelWaisJrsame person
@@dannycruz5446 Thanks for letting me know. I assumed it was the same person. Didn’t they apprehend him in San Francisco? SF is so different now and a complete train-wreck. If I had a home or apartment in San Francisco, and I went to jail, no matter what the charge, I’d go, “No!! Please!! Keep me in jail!! I don’t want to be dropped off out there in San Francisco!!” 😂
I can give up anything . . . well, except Coraline.
Hey wes on your last quote you said no one bring us the the news like here on T/C i would like to add to that. Your channel is my daily news source for the latest news on comics and whats hot and whats not.
Love ur channel your take is amazing you call out the BS and explain how to fix jt abd what fans want and what reject. TC is my #1 one stop shop for all things comics
Neil Richard Gaiman or Neil Dick Gaiman. His parents were comedic geniuses.
Better than "Gay Man".
Dick Van Dyke was never accused of rape 😂
I went to get some pizza after visiting Disneyland with my dad and stepmom when I was 14 or 15. There was some sketch comedy on TV. One of these two guys was like, “Oh, and I went to see P***s Van Lesbian?” “Oh, P***s Van Lesbian?” “Yeah, you know. Dick Van Dyke. Political correctness.” And everyone bust up laughing! 😂
@@MichaelWaisJr and neither was Robin Williams
Criminal charges would probably have to be filed in New Zealand which would require extradition of Gaiman and Plamer to that country. Go for their money first, burden of proof usually doesn't require a unanimous jury in civil suits.
I call BS on the claim that season 2 of Sandman was always going to be the last one. There was way too much story left to tell, and if it had been popular, of course they would have kept going. They could have just said that, in light of the current allegations, they’re not going forward with more, and everyone would have understood. But instead they lied for no good reason.
There is a good reason: it's hedging. If things escalate they can say they washed their hands of him at the earliest opportunity; if the case comes out in his favour they can pretend they didn't cave to the pressure to cancel. They are making sure their actions are future-proof; can't be on "the wrong side of history" if you take both sides, right?
@ Yeah, it’s totally a CYA moment. My problem with it is that I’ve read Sandman, and them saying they were always planning to end it with season two, because that’s how much story they had left, is an insult to my intelligence. I just don’t like blatant lies, and we all know why they’re really canceling it. They should have the courage of their convictions and own it.
@@ascorvinus
We're bombarded with blatant lies all the time though; I only read the news to find out what they want us to believe this week so I can figure out how they are trying to get us to respond. It doesn't really tell us what has happened but does indicate what they are planning. When they say "this terrible thing has happened" I hear "we want to introduce some new surveillance policies and we want you to agree to it."
Do i have to hurry to complete my Sandman books collection?
You might....or find it for sale on second hand market everywhere?
Given how Amazon is having a fire sale on all Niel gaimen related ips its a good time to get em atleast to save alot of cash but I'd say best get em now while you for sure can
Todd McFarlane must feel very bad for Neil Gaiman...
Why?
He’s lucky he dodged a bullet because Angela used to be the spawn universe so now Angela is in Marvel now Nell he’s a horrible human person. Now he dodged a bullet man.
Neil got marvel to finance a lawsuit vs. Todd@@carwashgirl3541
Why a Wisconsin court have any authority over something happened in New Zeland? Is this out of Usa jurisdiction?🤔
It does seem strange 🤔
@@MassimoShire1981 My advice is to not waste time on finding the answer; spend your time and energy avoiding the labyrinthine and self-serving Legal-Judicial Complex in the first place.
Gaiman owns a house in Wisconsin and so if he loses the civil suit the wisconsin court can enact financial penalties against his property.
the private companies canceling him comes from a business pov. they know he and his brand is now toxic and his built in audience WILL NOT watch anything with his involvement because of their disgust with him and not wanting to keep giving him fuck u money. he did this to himself no need to feel sorry for hm esp since like i said. he has fuck you money.
Once Gaiman's work goes out-of-print, of course the *artists* who worked on those books will also lose their streams of royalty income -- another very unfortunate result from the aftermath.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 so she got assaulted the first night and chose to stay every night afterward? yeah that SA accusation is as believable as Amber Heard’s ability to cry.
>Check early life
Yup, it checks.
Yeah, all that Scientology stuff was a real eye-opener. The way they bring up their kids is really wrong.
I'm surprised victims' lawyers don't pay attention to this. Usually, if proven the culpability of the aggressor, there's some sort of financial restitution to the victims as compensation. Writers, in general, don't own much, which while not the case with the millionaire Neil Gaiman, is true of pretty much everyone else. But they do have royalties, from which they make money, and in many cases those royalties are the only property that can be given in compensation to the victim. So when a publisher or a production company cuts ties with the author or artist, it's preventing their victims from accessing a form of restitution. So if I were Pavlovich's lawyer I would be paying attention to Gaiman's catalog deletions and have injunctions so that the companies still produced these books.
There's actually two DC creators that went to prison for Child porn.
Writer Gerard Jones for one, he's also a comics historian.
I think the only thing DC publishes from Gerard Jones is his Green Lantern Tie in issue of The Death of Superman
Every one youtube wes Thinks there doing it like you this is how imagine them self when there recording and they cant hold a candle stick to your commentary Ty Wes keep it up
Thanks! 👊
Wonder if someone else is gonna finish miracleman
In 2009 it was revealed that the original creator of Marvelman/Miracleman, Mick Anglo, had never actually sold the rights to the character. So neither Moore nor Eclipse comics, who originally published Moore’s stories, ever had the legal rights to it and that includes later, Gaiman.
Marvel own it now and they can put anyone they like on it, I never really liked Gaiman's take on it to care.
@ sigh 🤦🏿♂️
He did try trashing his own work through his live action adaptation. He proved that it isn't always good 2 have the creator attached 2 the adaptation.
If the nanny said “no” and Neil Gaiman didn’t stop, why only civil court? Makes no sense to me. In the past few years Neil has annoyed me, but is he guilty of a crime or just creepy?
because the nz po po didn't want to do anything on the basis of she said ie he's too powerful for them to start investigating based on the woman's story
@ So many of these so called “male feminist” turn out to be disgusting human beings.
The burden of proof in a criminal case, which is proving guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The burden is lower in civil cases, such as when someone sues someone else.
It's why O.J. Simpson was found guilty in a civil case, he was acquitted of murder but found liable in civil court.
Not right just too cancel someone just cause of allegations and ruin their lively hood. Unless there's Evidence.
You're right it's a reason why we have the laws we have
Then how do you explain the many witnesses who came forward and the very graphic accounts on that Vulture article?!
@ the explanation is innocent till proven guilt , many people step forward when a cleb is accused of something doesn't make it true , although it is likely. as for the article that depend on who wrote it and if their facts are right.
@@pauldareason well, do you see the many, many allegations that has since surfaced and made public? I think thst already constitutes it as the TRUTH.
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw what about johhny depps case?
Smug hypocrite gets a taste of his own medicine. And yes, he'll get his day in court - he's entitled to that, like everyone else. But he had this public ruination coming to him.
Did the SAG-AFTRA Chapter of Midgets sue and cancel Gaiman?
There is a good chance that these civil filings will be challenged for lack of jurisdiction and never go to trial. And that might be the strategy -not to win, just to damage.
I'm mostly bummed that there won't be another Miracleman arc. I've waited 30 years for that story to finish up.
I am bummed for the 20 year old that was allegedly abused severely
Innocent til proven guilty, even for him, applies to everyone. Though these aligations seems creditable.
The thing is that this all happening on aligations, no actual conviction.
Thats the comunity he helped create, seems ironic it now turned on him, he was ok with cancel culture when he got to aim the gun, wonder how he feels about believing all women now ?
I don't think he helped create that community. I think he pandered to that community, for sure; I think he may even be counted as part of that community, but I think the "creators" of that community are somewhere further up the political ladder.
Have we forgotten about innocent until proven guilty canceling people before actual real criminal charges are pressed on them and their found guilty is ridiculous . this opinion is even more unpopular but let's say that he is guilty if they dumped a show that means they're putting hundreds of people out of work not just punishing him
Correct
But the court of public opinion must trial everyone
Their opinions must be heard damn it !!
That's what Dark horse is doing with the Anansi boys book series (cancelling it after 7 issues and it will not collected, putting the creative team out of work)
Wes, i appreciate the video being informative but not judgemental. I too believe in innocent until proven guilty.
He said it happened
@h.neubert8770 he also said it was consensual. Let's just wait till it goes to.court and see what happens
@@thatcomicdad1687 He did say that. Did you read the article on this by any chance?
From what I understand there was only ever one Miracleman issue in the '90s that was written but not fully illustrated or published. In other words the second half the the "Silver Age" storyline was new when it debuted a year or two ago. And IMO it shows. Gaiman is a far lesser writer now than he was 30-35 years ago. On the one hand, I wish Gaiman and Marvel hadn't dragged their feet for so long in getting the later chapters of Miracleman out--because now thanks to this scandal they probably will never be produced. But on the other hand, the "Silver Age" was far inferior to the "Golden Age", and the quality drop off exactly coincides with the new writing. I still liked the later issues, but they were nothing special compared to what Moore and Gaiman did decades ago, back when they both had talent, originality, and bravery.
We should be interested in his body of work, not his personal life. The woman in question did not report these sexual assaults at the time. Why?. Consensual liaisons are not our concern. If the companies that drop him are that bothered return ALL the monies that his writings have earned them. Double standards and hypocrisy are all they really have. I'm with gaiman.
Then you are siding with an abuser
@MatthewLoh-ru1mw :you meet a girl ( or a boy ), nature takes it course. A Full blown relationships enfolds,both are happy and content. In time you seperate and go your own way. 20 years later the cops arrest you for historical sexual assault, your reputation is tarnished, your main source of income drys up,and you are bewildered as to the how's and why's of it. All you did was fall in love. She ( or he ) now claims she was vulnerable, a victim and wants a big wad of your cash...how would you react ?. He didn't force himself on her. Its my understanding they were both consensual adults. Please remember that there is always 2 sides to a story. Before rushing to judgement take time to consider the facts, weigh up the merits of the evidence presented..then pass judgement if you must. The court of public opinion is quick to point the finger, to smear one's reputation, and to condemn, the press will always colour the facts to sell more of their scandal rags. Don't be a sheep, be your own man, do not blindly follow the ways of the World. Thanks for the reply 👍. But..I still stand with Gaiman.
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw : I see you've yet to reply to the reply I left you.. I hope you have had time to see the merits that age and wisdom bring to this situation. Most of the world works along the lines of innocent until proven guilty. Thoughts please on my reply to your comments.
@@unkle_Enkil I'm just saying you seem to be taking Gaiman's side when you shouldn't be, not after all the allegations and witness accounts
@@MatthewLoh-ru1mw : thank you for the reply. As I said in my initial response, the court case is yet to convine and any allegations or witness statements that you may have read or heard in the press may cloud judgement before a court of law has had the opportunity to assess all the evidence presented. Why was this presented to a court in the u.s. and not new Zealand?.
Maybe he can get paid by appearing in a butter commercial
I’m not saying I don’t believe the story, I actually find it pretty believable personally, but this story she’s telling is weird. Neil Gaiman is insanely rich. Why would he hire a homeless person living on the beach for housekeeping and nannying? If this is true, she really should have seen it as a red flag. Doesn’t make what Gaiman allegedly did anymore terrible, but still. I feel like she might have thrown the part about her being homeless in to explain why she wouldn’t quit after being assaulted. It’s not like a corporate job with a ladder to climb, you think she’d made good money working for Gaiman so she should at least, I would think, be able to hold up somewhere else while she put together a resume (maybe to housekeep for someone else). I guess it’s possible he was paying her pennies or nothing at all, but why would you move in with a bunch of strangers who are offering you a too-good-to-be-true deal, anyway. God knows what they could be up to. I don’t know, i guess we’ll see when it all goes to court.
Also, I feel if her argument (or the argument of her supporters) is that her apparent consent was not real consent because she feared she would be homeless if she refused him, then that means licking ones own excrement off of a dick is preferable to homelessness, so wouldn't it be better to raise awareness about homelessness? The story depends on us being aware that homelessness is worse. I am well aware that homelessness does make people vulnerable to sexual exploitation, so why if the latter is scandalously horrendous do we tolerate the former in a civilized society?
As a consumer and collector of comics/graphics novels, I will not do any business with a company that does business with Neil Gaiman.
@@Blitnock You sound a lot like people who say they “boycott Hollywood” and like Amish people will never see a movie just because of Weinstein and all the Me Too fiasco in Hollywood. A lot of publishers did business with Gaiman in the past. Ready to never buy comics again or only buy from indie publishers?
No one cares. You are boring
Civil suits were filed in the US for acts that allegedly happened in NZ? Regardless of the merits of the suit itself, it will probably get tossed out unless she's claiming she was also assaulted in the US. Despite the general arrogance of the US government, they do not own the world. Perhaps the plaintiff was encouraged to file because of Trump's recent antics(!)
Anyway, it's nice to hear a mature analysis of the Gaiman situation. As someone in her 60s, I find the whole 'cancellation' thing astounding. I have no idea what the truth is in this situation, and I would not be so arrogant as to I assume I could possibly know.
While I understand the desire to take allegations seriously, it's quite another thing to make a blanket assumption that anyone making allegations is telling the whole truth. That''s just plain naive. I say that as someone who was sexually assaulted myself in situations where I could do nothing about it.
I was reading this fanfic, where, Aphrodite The Goddess of love and beauty, meet, and, falls in love with Goku. It’s actually a pretty good story.
Oh no thank god I didnt watch that show XD
There’s no poop in the show. Don’t worry.
Nice haircut, Wes. And yes, looks many comics companies (even DC, who has most of his works especially Sandman!) are severing ties/distancing themselves from him for Obvious reasons!
Well what he did was absolutely wrong,he deserves it, he is a great writer but be real,this is unexcusable
If you did it right now it's still just an accusation
Hey Gaiman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Learn to code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Noooo i like Neil tho.
Did the New York Plumbers’ Union cancel and sue Gaiman?
I don't believe women.
Ok? Like in general?
In general We understand/somewhat agree with your thoughts on livelihoods being effected but Neil is a multimillionaire, he'll be fine. It's his _collaborators_ We feel the most for. All those cancelled reprints have artists that drew them. Sandman and Good Omens employed gods know how many people to bring them to life for the screen. The Anansi Boys book being cancelled is one less regular gig for at least three people who are _not_ him. Yay more to be mad about!
Never liked any of his comics that I’ve seen.
I love “American Gods”. I heard the show quickly became drek in the second season but the first season was dope. I’ve read the novel all the way through. I love it. He might be a scumbag or he might not, but I love some of his stories. He didn’t jump into my bed and rape me. He doesn’t live next to me. He doesn’t get my groceries so I don’t care. Let those who say they were raped get justice if they were raped. I don’t know Neil Gaiman. I don’t care.
It’s like how Dustin Hoffman fessed up to some really kinky stuff. I love a lot of Dustin Hoffman’s movies. Dustin Hoffman doesn’t clean my apartment or wax my car. I just like his movies. If he’s a shithead I don’t care because I don’t even know him.
Never read Sandman? Just curious.
@@LanceMartin-gn3fi I’ve been meaning to. Not every “Sandman” comic or collection has an unexpiring coupon for me to let Neil Gaiman let himself into my place and go to town on me against my will or force me to eat feces, so I don’t care. I’m not reading “Sandman” now because I’m reading other stuff at the time, and that has nothing to do with my opinion on the work of art (as I’ve never read it so I don’t have an opinion yet) or the actual artist who writes the works of fantasy.
Not cancelled by me, I still buy and read his work - love his writing.
That's a shame. I was enjoying the Sandman series
it makes me happy to see this guy going down. this docuhebag let his work raped by Netflix and blamed the fans of Sandman for being 'bigot. racist homophobic and all that kind f shit... i hope he and his wife would pay a large sum and even jailed.
I'm glad I got all my Neil gaiman stuff before this all came, cause I don't think I'll be purchasing anymore of his works going forward no matter the case.
Please just put Miracleman in the main Marvel Universe. They were already heading that way anyways. Great character that should be put to use
Not by the clown show writing Marvel comics these days.
Filing in places where they feel it will be easiest to get suit through and potentially win. What any good lawyer would do. If there was ever a comic that didn't need a facsimile it's Sandman. Nobody collects Sandman, 90+ percent of the crowd read it in trades. I'd order like near zero on a Sandman Facsimile issue. The #1 sold like poorly. Yes I did notice as the Stormwatch Compendium came out recently. Awesome stuff. Warren Ellis is the man. Sadly Miracleman doesn't sell well either, and the longer the wait the more nobody will remember or care. Unfortunately this is the safest approach for all to take. Nobody wants to get to far ahead of this for as long as this is going to take to play out. But hey I'll still sell Sandman and 1602 and Death to anyone who wants it. WTF20.
honestly at least with this particular situation it seems fishy that she was sa'd but she'd still stay working. like homeless or not it seems fishy she'd stick around if that had happened. so i'm going to listen but verify and wait for actual evidence to come out and not just her say from years ago
Hi - it was explained in the original podcast from last year that Scarlett did go to the police in New Zealand - there s more explanation in the podcast as to why it did not go forwar
d
What do woody allan, harvey weinstein, jeffery epstein, bret ratner, Neil Gaiman, ghislaine maxwell, Bryan singer and roman polanski all have in common
Abuse?
Famous. 🤔