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Hawken Style Rifle - Jonathan Browning Mountain Rifle
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2023
- The Jonathan Browning Mountain Rifle was Browning's version of the Hawken rifle. Well made, and it has many features like the originals. Examples like the slant hooked breech, and method of attaching the trigger guard to the plate.
Thank for sharing Sir
I didn’t know there was such a thing for
single trigger for black powder muzzleloader
Beautiful rifle what work of art
God bless
Thanks 👍. O.R.
I have this same rifle but in .50 caliber. Seems I vaguely remember using that Buckhorn sight, at a blade position 3/4s to the top of Buckhorn or the top of blade level with those horns, keeps u on 8 inch pie plate at 100 yards.
I think we spoke about me building my own custom flintlocks from scratch… but I admit… I wish I had bought one of these rifles back in the day. I bought a .36 caliber TC Seneca back in 1976 for my 16th birthday… and I have been hooked on BP ever since. I still own that old TC .36 and have taken tons of small game… but even a few deer with it shooting maxi balls. I still use my original Lyman maxi ball mold to make them.
That is a beautiful rifle sir.
As I may have said before I never appreciated how well they build these guns till I did some building, as you. That Senica is also a sweet ML. My father bought one in the early 80's I think and it was a joy to shoot. Even with my building ability, if they were still made I believe I'd need to have one. Always enjoy hearing from you. OR
@@oldranger3044 I am afraid the Senecas are no longer made my freind. I do see them on GunBroker from time to time. This one will go to my youngest grandson after I am gone
Jonathan Browning was the father of John M Browning.
When he came to Utah as a Mormon Pioneer, he started his farm and also a gunsmith shop.
My GGGG great grandfather also came to Utah at that time. He worked for Jonathan on the farm.
As partial payment for his work, My GGGG grandfather was given a muzzle loading Rifle that Jonathon had built.
The gun was sold to help pay to bring my GGGG grandfather's wife and children to Utah.
Wish that he could have kept it and that I could have inherited it.
Wow! Great information, thanks so much for sharing it. These mountain rifles are really amazing when looked at closely. I’m not much of a builder compared to lots, but have just enough experience with the Hawkins I’ve built to be able to appreciate these built by (or for) Browning. Thanks again. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I have a 50 cal. Hawken rifle that I built as a kit. I replaced the 1/45" twist barrel with a Green Mountain 1/72" twist barrel for strictly round ball shooting. I did that over 40 years ago.
@@dalesearcy5734 How time flys when we’re having fun and goes by too fast, even if we’re not. O.R.
Thanks for the video.
Shoots straight! Nice!
Wow, what a beautiful rifle ! Loved the video, thanks so much for sharing it with us. Happy shooting, peace and best wishes to you ranger.
You have my attention!
You are so lucky.A fine rifle,Jake and Sam would be proud,the essence of a true Hawken.
Thanks Steve. I am lucky because when I purchased it in the 80’s I about the only knew was that it was more expensive than the TC Hawken version. I have more appreciation now after building several of the Hawken styles. Browning (more correctly the company that was contracted) did well in keeping as best they could with the original design. There are other fine builds I’m sure, but as far as I know, these rifles were more available (and affordable) to the public compared to custom built ones. Glad you enjoyed seeing it. O.R.
Oh,yes incredibly impressed.Stay well and thank you!
Hello, superb Hawken, good shooting, amazing primers “made in France”
Yes it is. The primers I got in the 60’s, and that reminds me of the Hopkins & Allen under hammer I purchased them for, and foolishly sold. 😢. O.R.
I sure like the color of that wood. Perfect color stain. Another great video sir.
Very nice my Friend. Thanks for taking us along 👍🏻 ~John
Nice video! So satisfying to see the cap lock rifle shoot so well. Good job.
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Thanks for sharing Old Ranger! Sweet setup, visuals and rifle.
my buddy and I both built 50 caliber Hawken from kits. we were both shocked at how accurate these things shot
Always enjoy your wonderful videos
Very nice, dad left me his .54 JB mountain rifle with brass furniture, just like yours. Love the single set trigger, it's a shooter too
Nice to hear-enjoy. O.R.
Down Right purdy guy. I once shot out a ramrod. Your shame is not alone :) That lock looks beautiful and I know of the Green River barrels. Single set triggers ROCK. I once owned a H&R Custer trap door carbine that had been re-worked by a master gunsmith with a single set trigger. LIKE A FOOL I SOLD IT. I will serve in hell for that. Good vid sir.
Thanks. We may meet down below. I should have shown the inside of the lock because it is super. Wondering who made them. Lots of stuff in this world that we’ll never know. Only now do I realize why the Browning cost considerably more than the TC. O.R.
Beautiful/rugged rifle! Another great video, keep them coming. 😊👍
Nice gun, the Thompson Center guns were were pretty nice too. I wish they were still available. Thanks for the video.
Yes! A real honey. I have the 50 caliber one and boy does it shoot. Love your videos.
I have not shot mine in 18 to 20 years. I will get it out this year. It’s one of my builds. S Hawken. 36 inch Bill Moody 58 cal. 1 and 96 twist 1 1/8 inch across the flats. I shoot 180 grains of Goex black powder 1 felt wad and 10 thousand patch 570 hornady round ball. Will rag the hole at 150 yards. Won a lot with it 30 years ago. One of 15 I made. Good shooting.
“Hawken rifles” by Baird. You are probably familiar with the book. Sounds like that is sort of a Bridger style with the large diameter barrel and.58 cal.
Thanks for your comment and info. Sure would have enjoyed a neighbor like you when I was doing some builds. Only had books and diagrams to work from, but was lucky to have them. Right now it’s hard to get parts and they seem pricey, maybe it’s just my age. Anyway, good shooting, hope it works out for you. O.R.
This is the first time I have found mention of these Browning muzzle loaders. I have one in brass in 50 caliber that also shoots great. We owners know that the twist of the barrels is designed for round balls and unfortunately the majority of muzzle loaders used for hunting these days are within most states' definition of muzzle loaders but have modern features more akin to single shot and bolt action cartridge rifles and use substitute powders that in my opinion are not in the spirit of the original hunter's rifles.
I think we’re on the same page. So--, the hunter that is using the modern style, does he enjoy retro?? Or is it that it extends the hunting season or adds to it? Seems to me that was not the original intention of the season but manufacturing created a hybrid that can qualify with scopes, plastic coated ammo, substitute powder in pellet form, shotgun primers, and more. Similar thing with “bow” hunting. That concludes my rant. O.R.
Very Nice Rifle. Definitely reminds me of a traditional hawken rifle. From What I've read on these, they were very well made rifles! Excellent video.
Thanks William. O.R.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing!
Nice looking Hawken!
Kia Ora from NZ.
Liked your video very much. What a beautiful gun.
Tatou for putting it up for watching.
Keep yor powder dry.
Ma te wa
Chris
Had me one in .50 cal with Iron fittings...nice shooter...traded it for a .54 Sharon another nice piece.
Nice rifle and thanks!...woods
I’ve only heard about the Sharon, and that they were top notch. O.R.
Thank you
I remember those rifles. I couldn’t afford one when they were in production but could drool over them which I did often
I’m still kicking myself for not getting the 45 I saw 30 years ago at Friendship IN. As new with the box for $500 I recall. Just couldn’t afford it. Now I’m thinking what I couldn’t afford was not to get it. Oh well, hopefully whoever bought it treats it nicely. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 👍🏻
Well I'm officially jealous now. The browning was always just out of my reach. It is the only brass furniture JB I've seen. Now Bertha I have had since 1981 myself and just a year ago added a lyman great plains. On Monday I will be officially putting a down payment on the most expensive production flint I've ever spent. Bertha has made appearances on TV a couple of times back in the day, and 2 or 3 times since I started my own channel. The 11bangbang boys has mentioned it a few times as well.
Mountain man
Thanks Steve. When I got the gun used in the 80’s I didn’t realize how neat it really is. I shot it in some competitions because it did better than my other hawken styles. Some folks did a real nice job getting this into production, unsung heroes. O.R.
Are parts for the Browning Mountain Rifle .54 still available ?
Mr O R Sir - You have some beautiful toys & shoot them well. - Nice guitar picking music there too .. I won't be surprised if you declare that is you playing and that you built the instrement also ..🙃
That’s a good shootin rifle!
They don't spend the time on them like that anymore, you have to do the fine work yourself. that's a really nice rifle, I have a feeling that something shifted when you were shooting @50 yards (Stock wise) and your group moved. however, that was fine accuracy and shooting on your part. really cool video, Peace - Dave
Have always loved those Brownings, don’t even have an older style front stuffer. Have several break action new type. Fixing to get a flint lock. It will be my first, caps are getting hard to find and when you do they are too high. Excellent video sir and of course beautiful rifle and awesome shooting.
Yes. I always wanted to be somewhat self sustaining and the flint lock is (or was) the logical choice. Still needed to purchase flints because no raw material here, and powder. Recently I got into making powder, largely because of information on UA-cam. Works amazingly well. Can also make caps and was using them on the Browning. So,,,, now the cap locks might have the edge in self sustainably. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 yes sir I have also started making caps but having trouble with making them pop. Don’t know if I didn’t wait long enough or mixture off . I have flint material here in Texas. Going to keep trying with the caps. Thinking bout making powder also but heck …. If I can’t get caps to pop what’s the use. I’m sure it’s something stupid in the steps I’m taking.
@@glockerbob are you using the “prime-all” components? I have had no problems with getting them to pop. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 yes sir. I used alcohol to wet it first, then finger polish remover. I’m guessing this is the part I’m messing up.
@@glockerbob I’m betting that you are mixing the components ok because the instructions are pretty clear, and the supplied measuring spoons help. Even so, might want to double check that. I think I use more of the mixture in each cap, maybe by 50%, so after adding the acetone and it dries there’s no metal showing on the bottom. My eye dropper has a fairly small drop. Try to not have powder high on the sides, especially if using them in revolvers. I use only one drop of acetone, never tried alcohol. As you said, both could be the issue. Alcohol has 10% water, and I think nail polish remover is not 100% acetone either because I think it is 30-60% depending on brand. Other ingredients therefore could be messing things up. The prime-all has one component that resembles sulfur and if so, that, or something else might be separating from the mixture. Powdered glass I believe is used to ignite things and too much liquid could most of it to sink to the bottom, or who knows. Anyway, lots of speculation about why yours isn’t working. Hopefully this helps, and be careful. O.R.
hello Mr O.R.
black powder contagion better than catching covid 😀
for this Hawken rifle, in my armory there are 3 choices 120/160 .45 .50 and .54
pedersoli or investarm
(my favorite but too expensive PEDERSOLI 1861 SPRINGFIELD cal.58)
in the .45 a .454 round bullet (the Lee mold I have for the yank) goes in?
the bigger the caliber, the less heavy the gun, right?
Correct. Unless the outside diameter is bigger, which for the Browning and most others is the same. Thompson Center made a.36 caliber they called a Seneca I believe, and the barrel was smaller. A very sweet little gun. Right, even a bad day on the range is better than COVID. O.R.
Are you aware of the cone shaped breech and the Browning supplied cleaning jag that is used to clean it?
I has a .50 Iron mounted and it was very accurate with 70 g 2F, .020 Oxyoke patch, .495 ball. I suffered an eye injury (CRVO) that
I was not supposed to recover from and sold it to a fellow that taught new young shooters at the Walter Cline Range in Friendship.
I hope it is still shooting clover leaf groups.
Thanks for the memory refresh. That was as I recall the shape of the jag (tapered I believe) that I no longer have. I have several rifles with the Green River Barrels, and they are are shooters. I want to get back to Friendship, it’s been 30 years, suppose it ain’t the same. O.R.
Nice looking smoke pole. Much better than TC "Hawken" Jake and Sam would like the Browning in my opinion.
I think I paid used about what a new Thompson was. Didn’t realize at the time how well made they were and closer to the originals. Many fine Hawken replicas have been produced, but not that I am aware of by large firearms manufacturers. These are treasures, and barrels by Green River are real shooters. O.R.
That's one mighty fine gun right there now. ( if You ever get sick of it ... or lose Your trigger finger or some such something ) let Me know ! I know where You can get a QUICK buck for it !!!
Thanks John. The folks that built those get our admiration for their workmanship. Could easily become collector pieces as not that many were produced. Three calibers, and available in brass and I believe iron, from what I remember. O.R.
Hey I reblude my 44 navy I've been telling you about. My bore was the same as the chamber? Ide wash it with soap water till no black would come out. Patches where clean. Now that I cleaned it with clp cause I blued it the bore is now 447 to 448 chambers are 445. If black powder was still in the barrel can it stay and still get a clean patch? I think the bore measurement being the same was build up of powder? What are your thoughts
Need to know how you are measuring the bore? A vernier can get into the groves and give more than bore diameter. These groves are cut into the barrel after it has been bored, but what is left of the bore ( called lands or rifling) will have bore diameter and for the 44’s I have, is .440. I turn a brass cylinder till it just slides into the bore and then measure that. Putting the legs of a vernier into it usually gives a higher reading. Appreciate your getting back on this. O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I'm using a really good pair of calipers and measuring the grove diameter. I got alot of black stuff out when I used the oil
@@wolfpack1384 Ok. Seems the percussion guns (at least all the replicas I’m aware of) do not have the ball fill the barrel out to the groves like modern stuff. But somehow they can do very well with accuracy. That black powder fouling can get really hard. Next question, I am curious about how you load (procedure and components) ? O.R.
@@oldranger3044 I think it might have been a return I got. I weighed my powder and double checked with my powder measure to make sure I wasn't over charging. It's 27 grns by volume. I pure the powder in cylinder followed by a cardboard disk from a cereal box I punched out then the projectile. All loaded with equal pressure and depth. I'm real careful not to force em down as you can over pack the powder
@@wolfpack1384 Thanks for your loading method and components. With black powder (at least modern like Goex) there is rapid fouling buildup. Using lube (not oil or petroleum based stuff) will help to keep the fouling soft so consecutive shots help to push it out. Otherwise, it continues to build up in barrels and chambers. Using hot water seems to be about the best for cleaning. I’m doing a vid on showing the differences between shooting with or without lube. Thanks for giving me added incentive for this project. O.R.
💪👍🇺🇸 Good looking good
DARN! I'm #2? Like JMB'ds Dad's manufacturing for a modle? "I will Never" purchase, or build without a Single set trigger1 again. "I Did Not Know"? Never knew? THANK YOU!
Cutting Ragged Holes AGAIN! I would take that with open sights any day, any gun! ANY Time.
Yhaa? I'm still looking for a 63 rifled musket ram rod? Sprained my wrist with that minie ball and 100 grn DIY charge Too! I Know right where I Stood! even had a bunch of church youth out in the spot looking for me, Nada.
Range officer closed the range for noon break, and I had just loaded. Slid the rod down to remind me. Got back and was happy I remembered it was loaded. Not so happy when I capped it and pulled the trigger. That was only a 54, probably 60 grains. I can’t even imagine yours. Hopefully you had a change of underwear. Was that steel or wood? O.R.
@@oldranger3044
A steel rod got replaced from Dixie! DIY caps! gave me some troubles and I had "bad vibs", so thinking swiftly? and demonstrating to TWO very young shooters, I put a chunk of plywood armor twixed the breach and ME! I did a trgger pull reach around, but in "My abundunce" of CAUTION? I left my rod in! THANK the LORD! she was not at my shoulder!! all the hardware was OK! SHE KICKED LIKE NOTHING I have ever had in my Hands!
I walked away with a Lesson Learned! and MORE! respect! for these things.
I may go look again! this weekend? I will be close.
Nice try
Wow! Great review. This is the first time I have seen any kind of review or information on this great rifle.
I first saw an ad on the Browning Mountain Rifle in a magazine when they first came out. Never seeing one in person, I knew I wanted one of those rifles, but being a young buck at the time, I couldn't afford one. None of the gun shops in my area ever had one, they only carried the T/C and a couple lower quality ones.
I wound up buying a T/C Renegade in .50 cal and used that for a few years. When I first saw the Lyman Great Plains Rifle, I thought it looked like a twin to the Browning so I got one and hunted with it until I got the in-line craze.
About 20 years ago, while traveling I walked into a Gunshop and they had a deluxe edition of the Browning Mountain Rifle with a velvet lined Alder wood case and a powder horn. It was the first time I ever saw one of these beautiful rifles in person. The gun was unfired in as new condition. That rifle followed me home that day.
Super congrats Dick. I enjoy hearing a story like yours because it has a happy ending. I once saw a 45 in new condition at Friendship (box and all), but got financial jitters and walked away. Sure would like to find more information about who was making them, and how, or where they got the custom parts. Thanks for your information. O.R.