Paul I listen to you every night, only recently discoverd your podacst. Love your work and yours has become my favourite astronomy podcast. Please keep up the great work.
So the space in the void is "unwarped" by mass. Sort of a high-pressure zone or a hill for the rest of us to roll down? Hence the "push". BTW, 9th grade General Science Cherry Hill, NJ. Mr. Brush was my teacher and WHAT a teacher he was. Finding you reminds me of his classes. Fruitful to say the least.
Hi Paul, so if we are gravitationally bound to Laniakea supercluster and any additional superclusters we're heading to, will we always be able to see the galaxies bound in those supercluster regardless of the cosmic expansion? Good chance I'm wrong but I thought I had heard from a video talking about cosmic expansion that eventually we wouldn't be able to see anything outside of our own galaxy.
I we can measure attraction and the relative motion inwards over an area encompassing something as big as Laniakeya then how does this sit alongside the theory of universal expansion? Surely there has to be a scale at which the relative motion becomes always away from everything else and if so how big do you have to go before that becomes the dominant perceived motion?
Another possible explanation is the Janus Cosmological Model (or other bi-metric models). Maybe it's time to stop burning all the public money on dark fantasy which proved to be non measurable and non predictive for many decades now (dark matter, dark energy, dark etc).
If our Universe is expanding and some part of it reaches another Universe with different nature laws... would those parts merge together? Would they cancel them out? Would it be possible to know if that part of space is from our Universe or from another else? Chemist here who loves Astrophysics.
@@edwardhinton1615 Don't be a dick. You were told in the first 40 seconds of the video that the target is 100s of millions of light years away & you were told the obscuring dust is in our back yard - throughout all of our galaxy. You can't possibly lens the target light AROUND the dust when the dust is all around us! You got it now Edward? You're sitting in the dust.
Check and you will find that nuclear energy is larger than gravitational energy. And nuclear energy pushes things outward from ignited stars in larger and larger flows. So there will always be "repulsion" or "push" or outward flows - driven by energies stored in mass from dense environments and experiences of that matter in the past. It is the potential energy stored in the matter that allows retrieving nuclear and atomic energy. And that partly comes from previous generations of matter colliding and interactive, moving - sometimes concentrating, sometimes spreading out. The expansion of the universe in many places is just stars giving off light and energy and mass and charge and magnetic moment. Condensation reactions give off energy that spreads out at the speed of light and gravity. But gravitational events include gravitational shock waves which can be many times light and gravity speed. Filed under (It is likely "magnetic fields all the way down" - KiloTesla, MegaTesla, GigaTesla and beyond)
Velasuper cluster being the cluster of Great Attractors-Dipole Repeller Space Ships inside infa red infromation read contained space from Mao to woodrow to ballam-non human sequences to error inside velasupercluster virtual reality.
I appreciate the subject matter and willingness to teach it, but that was a painfully arduous visuals-free hand flapping explanation of something relatively simple. A picture says a thousand words. In this case, it's a picture of Paul.
Ohhh, my head hurts. So what I'm taking away from your video is: Space is expanding away from you in all directions relative to where you are in the cosmos viewing the expansion? And that could explain why galaxies move to collide with each other? So in the future when hyper--space jumps are possible, you'd better figure out where the last know cosmic coordinates of the target galaxy was and calculate from spatial expansion where that galaxy is now so you can safely jump to it instead of jumping into a black hole and having a miserable day. And; by the way, when you arrive at the planet in the new galaxy you just jumped to, would you carry your Earth bound 24h clock system with you? Because the planet you just arrived at may have a totally different rotational local time. You need to keep both time systems active so you know when to sleep.
It seems to me that if there is a dark matter repeller influencing us, it should have the opposite effect on clusters and superclusters that an attractor would have. It should act to break up and scatter clusters and superclusters as it acts as a point source of repulsion and pushes them away from it, just as an attractor would subtly condense those objects as it pulls them toward it. Do we see any evidence of this scattering?
I love astronomy and astrophysics also ı want to learn theories and basics about astronomy and astrophysics.Can you recommend me a textbook about introduction to astronomy and astrophysics?
I have always had this intuition that the universe is in the shape of a giant donut. But I could not imagine the mechanism by which it could form this shape. When I recently found out about the Dipole Repeller and the Shapley Attractor, a more complete picture formed in my mind. My pet theory is that the universe is a four dimensional horn torus. The hole of the torus is formed by the Repeller and the Shapley Attractor, together they are linked by a giant wormhole, which nominally turns our universe into 4 dimensions. If this theory holds merit, then it could explain that there never was a Big Bang. A 4 dimensional universe such as this would never need to have a beginning, nor would it have an ending. It will always be in a never ending cycle of destruction and renewal. Thermodynamic death through entropy would also never occur, because all materials would be gravitationally clumped negating the effect of entropy. A few things however bother me as how to such a wormhole could form. And how this wormhole would be attractive on one pole and repelling on the other. Here my hypothesis is that two rotating black holes became entangled, and a wormhole formed. The rotation means that instead of a singularity, there is soliton in each of the black holes. As for the attraction on one pole and repellant on the other, it is the consequence of a gradient caused by the different masses of the black hole. It's just a theory, if more evidence come up to support the theory then it would make sense to explain its formation. But if it is false, then the whole notion can be abandoned. As far as I know, and from searching the Internet, no such similar theory exists, and this is entirely my own. And this is one of the few times that I have elaborated on the theory publicly. I leave this comment here as proof that I came up with this theory independently just in case in the future someone claims to have originated the notion first.
Shapely Attractor or Dipole Repeller For many reason in my videos I've suggested that anti gravity is the force that is pushing from empty space, not gravity from matter pulling on other matter. Space pushes the apple to the ground, not the Earth pulls the apple to the ground. Next, Dark energy and antigravity are the same. (This may include dark matter too) Further, Dark energy (and dark matter) make up 95% of the universe with no charge or matter. That leaves 5% of the universe that is matter (4% hydrogen and helium gas, and 1% all the stars and planets.) My simple drawing shows the Milky Way Galaxy as the dot in the center. In most simple terms, our Milky Way Galaxy is part of the Local Group, which is part of the Virgo cluster which is part of Laniakea Super Cluster,(about 100,000 galaxies). Together all these galaxies and others are moving TOWARD THE SHAPLEY ATTRACTOR (on the left of the drawing); and away from the DIPOLE REPELLER, (on the right of the drawing. The question is this: are all these galaxies being pulled to the Shapley Attractor or pushed toward it from the Dipole Repeller. Research has found that gravity alone cannot account for it! The Shapley Attractor or supercluster is the largest concentration of galaxies near us. The Dipole Repeller is the largest of many voids near us in space. Voids are massive areas of space without any detectable matter. Yet like dark energy they seem to be pushing the matter around them away. They are repelling matter. We are either being pulled toward the Shapley Attractor, or pushed away from the Dipole Repeller or both? Which is it. My suggestion is that voids in space allow for maximum antigravity expansion. This Dark Energy / Antigravity in the voids, and virtually everywhere there is no matter, is the force, not gravity.
Hi, I encourage you to learn about bimetric models if you don't know about it. They introduce negative mass in a elegent way. This repeller could be it. I am actually searching if james web will me looking at this object to see if me see negative gravitational lensing (i.e. a loss of luminosity because of divergence of light rays)
I feel like the foam metaphor is really good to explain the entire movement of the universe. If you were able to inflate the bubbles in a foam, you'd be able to 'push' the foam around, just like the Dipole Repeller does.
Hi, that was very interesting! Instead of the dipole repellar would the mass of objects on the other side of the shapely attractor not also attract mass on the other side (relatively) of it towards the centre of the shapely attractor? :)
When you talk about nothing doing nothing to achieve something maybe you have nothing in your head? Paul. You still haven't mastered relativity. It's not in the equations. It's the principle of relativity and applying the principle. And separating the abstractions from the observables.
Paul I listen to you every night, only recently discoverd your podacst. Love your work and yours has become my favourite astronomy podcast. Please keep up the great work.
If I had heard "Shapely Supercluster" on any other channel I would've thought they were talking about one of the Bond girls! 😊
He said it, not me!
So the space in the void is "unwarped" by mass. Sort of a high-pressure zone or a hill for the rest of us to roll down? Hence the "push".
BTW, 9th grade General Science Cherry Hill, NJ. Mr. Brush was my teacher and WHAT a teacher he was. Finding you reminds me of his classes. Fruitful to say the least.
Ok, so nobody ever talks about the triangulum galaxy. So, I dare you to make an entire episode about it.
Fine
@@PaulMSutter Why is it your least favorite galaxy? Is it incredibly boring ?
No video in the entire history of UA-cam has had the word Super Cluster mentioned so much.
super cluster
Very clear and understandable explanation.
Hi Paul, so if we are gravitationally bound to Laniakea supercluster and any additional superclusters we're heading to, will we always be able to see the galaxies bound in those supercluster regardless of the cosmic expansion? Good chance I'm wrong but I thought I had heard from a video talking about cosmic expansion that eventually we wouldn't be able to see anything outside of our own galaxy.
I know Dr Paul has had a bet with someone to see how many times he can say Super Cluster in one video lol
I we can measure attraction and the relative motion inwards over an area encompassing something as big as Laniakeya then how does this sit alongside the theory of universal expansion? Surely there has to be a scale at which the relative motion becomes always away from everything else and if so how big do you have to go before that becomes the dominant perceived motion?
Another possible explanation is the Janus Cosmological Model (or other bi-metric models). Maybe it's time to stop burning all the public money on dark fantasy which proved to be non measurable and non predictive for many decades now (dark matter, dark energy, dark etc).
The Shapley Attractor is said to be in the region Centaurus/Vela in the night sky. Wheres the dipole repeller, please?
If our Universe is expanding and some part of it reaches another Universe with different nature laws... would those parts merge together? Would they cancel them out? Would it be possible to know if that part of space is from our Universe or from another else?
Chemist here who loves Astrophysics.
Can't we find an object that will gravitationally lense around the stuff blocking our view?
no
@@nightjarflying I suggest you start looking immediately then.
@@edwardhinton1615 Don't be a dick. You were told in the first 40 seconds of the video that the target is 100s of millions of light years away & you were told the obscuring dust is in our back yard - throughout all of our galaxy. You can't possibly lens the target light AROUND the dust when the dust is all around us! You got it now Edward? You're sitting in the dust.
it would be amazing if someone does an animation about this
Are you saying that the universe is expanding more in the void areas than in the areas with mass???
Check and you will find that nuclear energy is larger than gravitational energy. And nuclear energy pushes things outward from ignited stars in larger and larger flows. So there will always be "repulsion" or "push" or outward flows - driven by energies stored in mass from dense environments and experiences of that matter in the past. It is the potential energy stored in the matter that allows retrieving nuclear and atomic energy. And that partly comes from previous generations of matter colliding and interactive, moving - sometimes concentrating, sometimes spreading out. The expansion of the universe in many places is just stars giving off light and energy and mass and charge and magnetic moment. Condensation reactions give off energy that spreads out at the speed of light and gravity. But gravitational events include gravitational shock waves which can be many times light and gravity speed. Filed under (It is likely "magnetic fields all the way down" - KiloTesla, MegaTesla, GigaTesla and beyond)
Velasuper cluster being the cluster of Great Attractors-Dipole Repeller Space Ships inside infa red infromation read contained space from Mao to woodrow to ballam-non human sequences to error inside velasupercluster virtual reality.
So, is this proof that the Big Rip is how the universe will end?
Freaky idea. At first I didn’t buy it but bringing dark energy into the picture does make a kind of sense….
Would be nice if you showed some diagrams or actual observations. Could save a lot of words.
Why such a disrespect toward Triangulum Galaxy? 🤔😁
Huh, this is the reason my ex-girlfriend gave for breaking up with me.
You too?!
I appreciate the subject matter and willingness to teach it, but that was a painfully arduous visuals-free hand flapping explanation of something relatively simple. A picture says a thousand words. In this case, it's a picture of Paul.
Ohhh, my head hurts. So what I'm taking away from your video is: Space is expanding away from you in all directions relative to where you are in the cosmos viewing the expansion? And that could explain why galaxies move to collide with each other? So in the future when hyper--space jumps are possible, you'd better figure out where the last know cosmic coordinates of the target galaxy was and calculate from spatial expansion where that galaxy is now so you can safely jump to it instead of jumping into a black hole and having a miserable day. And; by the way, when you arrive at the planet in the new galaxy you just jumped to, would you carry your Earth bound 24h clock system with you? Because the planet you just arrived at may have a totally different rotational local time. You need to keep both time systems active so you know when to sleep.
It seems to me that if there is a dark matter repeller influencing us, it should have the opposite effect on clusters and superclusters that an attractor would have. It should act to break up and scatter clusters and superclusters as it acts as a point source of repulsion and pushes them away from it, just as an attractor would subtly condense those objects as it pulls them toward it. Do we see any evidence of this scattering?
Rock and roll, Paul!
The Zone of Avoidance would be a terrible band name, though...
I love astronomy and astrophysics also ı want to learn theories and basics about astronomy and astrophysics.Can you recommend me a textbook about introduction to astronomy and astrophysics?
I have always had this intuition that the universe is in the shape of a giant donut. But I could not imagine the mechanism by which it could form this shape.
When I recently found out about the Dipole Repeller and the Shapley Attractor, a more complete picture formed in my mind.
My pet theory is that the universe is a four dimensional horn torus. The hole of the torus is formed by the Repeller and the Shapley Attractor, together they are linked by a giant wormhole, which nominally turns our universe into 4 dimensions.
If this theory holds merit, then it could explain that there never was a Big Bang. A 4 dimensional universe such as this would never need to have a beginning, nor would it have an ending. It will always be in a never ending cycle of destruction and renewal. Thermodynamic death through entropy would also never occur, because all materials would be gravitationally clumped negating the effect of entropy.
A few things however bother me as how to such a wormhole could form. And how this wormhole would be attractive on one pole and repelling on the other.
Here my hypothesis is that two rotating black holes became entangled, and a wormhole formed. The rotation means that instead of a singularity, there is soliton in each of the black holes. As for the attraction on one pole and repellant on the other, it is the consequence of a gradient caused by the different masses of the black hole.
It's just a theory, if more evidence come up to support the theory then it would make sense to explain its formation. But if it is false, then the whole notion can be abandoned.
As far as I know, and from searching the Internet, no such similar theory exists, and this is entirely my own. And this is one of the few times that I have elaborated on the theory publicly.
I leave this comment here as proof that I came up with this theory independently just in case in the future someone claims to have originated the notion first.
what if the universe is like a cavity(in water) , and we are gravitating towards the edge of the cavity .
I thought our solar system oscillates up and down through the galactic plane
Amazing.
Shapely Attractor or Dipole Repeller
For many reason in my videos I've suggested that anti gravity is the force that is pushing from empty space, not gravity from matter pulling on other matter.
Space pushes the apple to the ground, not the Earth pulls the apple to the ground.
Next, Dark energy and antigravity are the same. (This may include dark matter too)
Further, Dark energy (and dark matter) make up 95% of the universe with no charge or matter. That leaves 5% of the universe that is matter (4% hydrogen and helium gas, and 1% all the stars and planets.)
My simple drawing shows the Milky Way Galaxy as the dot in the center. In most simple terms, our Milky Way Galaxy is part of the Local Group, which is part of the Virgo cluster which is part of Laniakea Super Cluster,(about 100,000 galaxies).
Together all these galaxies and others are moving TOWARD THE SHAPLEY ATTRACTOR (on the left of the drawing); and away from the DIPOLE REPELLER, (on the right of the drawing.
The question is this: are all these galaxies being pulled to the Shapley Attractor or pushed toward it from the Dipole Repeller.
Research has found that gravity alone cannot account for it!
The Shapley Attractor or supercluster is the largest concentration of galaxies near us.
The Dipole Repeller is the largest of many voids near us in space. Voids are massive areas of space without any detectable matter. Yet like dark energy they seem to be pushing the matter around them away. They are repelling matter.
We are either being pulled toward the Shapley Attractor, or pushed away from the Dipole Repeller or both? Which is it.
My suggestion is that voids in space allow for maximum antigravity expansion. This Dark Energy / Antigravity in the voids, and virtually everywhere there is no matter, is the force, not gravity.
Hi, I encourage you to learn about bimetric models if you don't know about it. They introduce negative mass in a elegent way. This repeller could be it. I am actually searching if james web will me looking at this object to see if me see negative gravitational lensing (i.e. a loss of luminosity because of divergence of light rays)
@@rthgtrgaehgq4502 My thinking is that antigravity and Dark Energy are the same. That connects up a lot in my model. Thanks for your thoughts!
I feel like the foam metaphor is really good to explain the entire movement of the universe. If you were able to inflate the bubbles in a foam, you'd be able to 'push' the foam around, just like the Dipole Repeller does.
Hi, that was very interesting! Instead of the dipole repellar would the mass of objects on the other side of the shapely attractor not also attract mass on the other side (relatively) of it towards the centre of the shapely attractor? :)
When you talk about nothing doing nothing to achieve something maybe you have nothing in your head? Paul. You still haven't mastered relativity. It's not in the equations. It's the principle of relativity and applying the principle. And separating the abstractions from the observables.